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Why did you decide to be vegan (Mod Warning)

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  • #102
    EvanFahy
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭EvanFahy


    richie123 wrote: »
    Would it be true to say that vegans actually live longer?some of recent studies I've looked at seem to suggest longer lifespans for vegans can any one elaborate on this ?
    Kills me to say it but if there the results so be it.

    While early studies did suggest a survival advantage for vegetarians and vegans, more recent and much higher-quality evidence has found no difference in lifespan between omnivores and vegetarians and vegans.

    This is the conclusion of the largest report I could find on the subject, their was over 265,000 participants that took part

    Here is a link to the paper:https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Vegetarian-diet-and-all-cause-mortality%3A-Evidence-a-Mihrshahi-Ding/9b08642465afab42b351ee9ff5b22a0a87ed9520?p2df

    *When you click on the link make sure you click on 'Expand Abstract' to read the results.


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Unearthly wrote: »
    I would like you to be a mod Klopp. On the ball with the antics in here

    You would be my second choice.

    Hullabaloo would be my first choice. Takes zero ****. Spots a wind-up a mile away. An active and competent moderator. Heavily involved.

    This is from a thread when Gozunda hadn’t a clue what he was talking about.

    Tried his usual gaslighting tactics. All his posts were removed and was not allowed to post in the thread again.

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058021522/1/#post111460118

    So my first choice would be Hullabaloo. Then your good self.

    Can we make this happen ?

    How do we request and then appoint a new moderator ?

    I genuinely hope all is well with Tar because he hasn’t been around in a while.


  • #104
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You would be my second choice. Hullabaloo would be my first choice. Takes zero ****. Spots a wind-up a mile away. An active and competent moderator. Heavily involved. This is from a thread when Gozunda hadn’t a clue what he was talking about. Tried his usual gaslighting tactics. All his posts were removed and was not allowed to post in the thread again.
    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058021522/1/#post111460118
    So my first choice would be Hullabaloo. Then your good self. Can we make this happen ?
    How do we request and then appoint a new moderator ?I genuinely hope all is well with Tar because he hasn’t been around in a while.

    Well well klopp. But OMG a thread on grammar!!! Must be bad eh lol. That said other posters here have said you dont represent them and that's fair enough. Embarrassing comments for you tbf.

    Though tbh don't think I want to be a mod here. Thanks all the same. :pac:


  • #105
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    Well well klopp. Can't help yourself lol.. That said other posters here have said you dont represent them and that's fair enough. Embarrassing comments for you tbf.

    Though tbh don't think I want to be a mod here. Thanks all the same. :pac:

    Can’t help what ? Ponting out the truth ?

    You were instantly put in your place and that moderator spotted you a mile off with your bull**** tactics.

    Thread banned and disposed of.

    If that moderator was on this forum you wouldn’t be and that would be a blessing for all that care about animals and would would like to discuss it without you gaslighting.

    I’ve zero interest in representing anybody. I don’t have the illusions of grandeur that you may have. I say that because you seem happy (deluded) with your self appointed spokesperson role for all the farmers. I doubt they all want you representing them but alas here you are anyway.

    Hullabaloo had your number (spoofer and gaslighter) and I hope they are the new additional moderator on this forum.


  • #106
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Can’t help what ? Ponting out the truth ? You were instantly put in your place and that moderator spotted you a mile off with your bull**** tactics. Thread banned and disposed of. If that moderator was on this forum you wouldn’t be and that would be a blessing for all that care about animals and would would like to discuss it without you gaslighting. I’ve zero interest in representing anybody. I don’t have the illusions of grandeur that you may have. I say that because you seem happy (deluded) with your self appointed spokesperson role for all the farmers. I doubt they all want you representing them but alas here you are anyway. Hullabaloo had your number (spoofer and gaslighter) and I hope they are the new additional moderator on this forum.

    Even more personal attacks on posters and nothing to do with the thread or topic.

    I have no interest in having any discussion with you and considering your frankly vile and continued toxic hatred of farmers.

    But there we are...


  • #107
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It wasn’t a thread on grammar. It tried to be.

    But it became a thread on gaslighting. Your favourite tactic.

    And you were busted in an instant. Charged with gaslighting and abandoned.

    The poor moderator even made the point that they were aghast at having to do that for the first time ever in that forum. You set a precedent.

    You need a new t-shirt. ‘I represent all farmers and gaslighting is my tactic’. Shame.


  • #108
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    I have no interest in having any discussion with you and considering your frankly vile and continued hatred of farmers.

    But there we are..

    Ha. More gaslighting.

    You’re a very sad bully and I can’t imagine all the farmers are happy on boards with your self appointed representation of them all.


  • #109
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Maybe you should allow time before you post. Then you wouldn’t have to spend so much time editing your posts.


  • #110
    EvanFahy
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭EvanFahy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Maybe you should allow time before you post. Then you wouldn’t have to spend so much time editing your posts.

    The last few post are completely unjustified


  • #111
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭con747


    I would be surprised if the few " Keyboard" farmers posting on here actually are real farmers. I would imagine their farms would need a bit of farming to be done while they are on here talking manure all day most days.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • #112
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It wasn’t a thread on grammar. It tried to be.
    But it became a thread on gaslighting. Your favourite tactic. And you were busted in an instant. Charged with gaslighting and abandoned. The poor moderator even made the point that they were aghast at having to do that for the first time ever in that forum. You set a precedent. You need a new t-shirt. ‘I represent all farmers and gaslighting is my tactic’. Shame.

    Lol. Christ you don't half write some crap Klopp.

    Anyway I really think you should read this. Its more suited to your own comments above tbh.

    http://together.guide/are-you-a-gaslighter/

    For reference to your 'gaslighting"
    A common method of gaslighting is known as the “double-whammy,” in which the gaslighter puts down the victim, waits for the victim’s response, and then attacks the victim’s judgment, perspective, or questioning of the original attack.

    Btw I represent myself. Could just as disingenuously ask who you appointed you as the forum representative. ...


  • #113
    EvanFahy
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭EvanFahy


    con747 wrote: »
    I would be surprised if the few " Keyboard" farmers posting on here actually are real farmers. I would imagine their farms would need a bit of farming to be done while they are on here talking manure all day most days.

    Why would someone want to fake being a farmer:confused:, sounds a bit mad to me and frankly a bitter comment just to try and start another dispute.


  • #114
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    con747 wrote: »
    I would be surprised if the few " Keyboard" farmers posting on here actually are real farmers. I would imagine their farms would need a bit of farming to be done while they are on here talking manure all day most days.

    I have very often wondered about this. There is no logic to the amount of time some ‘farmers’ have.

    Surely the subsidies aren’t that good ?

    Do you reckon some of these are paid posters ? Paid by the industry to shut down positive conversations ?


  • #115
    NcdJd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ha. More gaslighting.

    You’re a very sad bully and I can’t imagine all the farmers are happy on boards with your self appointed representation of them all.

    Nasty thing to say about Gozunda. Great poster, may not always agree with him but that's what boards is about, discussion and being respectful to each other. Its you that's the bully with your conduct from the last few posts.


  • #116
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    EvanFahy wrote: »
    Why would someone want to fake being a farmer:confused:, sounds a bit mad to me and frankly a bitter comment just to try and start another dispute.

    Evan. It’s getting a bit late for you now.

    16 year old children should be getting to bed early.

    You’ll thank me for that advice in years to come.


  • #117
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭con747


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have very often wondered about this. There is no logic to the amount of time some ‘farmers’ have.

    Surely the subsidies aren’t that good ?

    Do you reckon some of these are paid posters ? Paid by the industry to shut down positive conversations ?

    Some people have little else to do apart from antagonising people on a Vegan forum to get their kicks. If they are getting paid someone deserves a refund.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #118
    EvanFahy
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭EvanFahy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Evan. It’s getting a bit late for you now.

    16 year old children should be getting to bed early.

    Another personal attack, I have been noting but respectful to other posters on this forum and have been open to what they have to say.


  • #119
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭con747


    EvanFahy wrote: »
    Why would someone want to fake being a farmer:confused:, sounds a bit mad to me and frankly a bitter comment just to try and start another dispute.

    Well at least you admit your here for a dispute.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #120
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭con747


    EvanFahy wrote: »
    Another personal attack, I have been noting but respectful to other posters on this forum and have been open to what they have to say.

    A pity you were not as open when you started the thread, the one you had to change the title of because it was misleading.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • #121
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    con747 wrote: »
    I would be surprised if the few " Keyboard" farmers posting on here actually are real farmers. I would imagine their farms would need a bit of farming to be done while they are on here talking manure all day most days.

    Going by that logic - no one who works should ever post on boards. But to be fair its just more of the anti farming sthick I see used by a very small number. It doesn't reflect well those posters at all imo.


  • #122
    SouthWesterly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    EvanFahy wrote: »
    A nutritious bird compared to the ones raised in confinement houses.

    Your birds will have a higher amount of poly-unsaturated fat. Do you notice that your birds fat is more yellowish than a bird from the supermarket?

    How many birds did you raise?

    Fat was yellow. Raised 21 this year as a test run. Reckon on 15 per batch which can be processed without the need of equipment.


  • #123
    EvanFahy
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭EvanFahy


    Deleted User wrote: »

    Do you reckon some of these are paid posters ? Paid by the industry to shut down positive conversations ?

    I have been open and have even encouraged fair conversation on this forum.


  • #124
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    EvanFahy wrote: »
    Another personal attack, I have been noting but respectful to other posters on this forum and have been open to what they have to say.

    You’re too young and boisterous to understand it’s not an attack.

    You’re 16 Evan. Thant makes you a child whether you like it or not.

    It’s the same advice i give to my nieces. It’s not condescending or a personal attack.

    It’s bloody good solid advice. As a child you need your sleep.

    In years to come you’ll look back on being a child as the best years of your life.

    Don’t try to be an adult before you are. Enjoy being a child. I miss those years like nothing else.


  • #125
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭con747


    gozunda wrote: »
    Going by that logic - no one who works should ever post on boards. But to be fair its just more of the anti farming sthick I see used by a very small number. It doesn't reflect well those posters at all imo.

    I lived on a farm most of my youth, I know how much time we had per day free. It must have become automated since then.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #126
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    EvanFahy wrote: »
    I have been open and have even encouraged fair conversation on this forum.

    Tbh I thought your opening question a fair one. And It could have been an interesting discussion right up you when you were attacked five posts in.Then the thread went pear shaped.

    Though I wouldn't be too worried Evan. This is part of the course and sadly not all that unusual. It simply means a small number cant argue with what has been posted and start flinging ****e instead. Its really not a good look tbh.


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  • #127
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭con747


    gozunda wrote: »
    Tbh - I thought your opening question a fair one. It could have been an interesting discussion...

    Though I wouldn't be too worried Evan. This is part of the course and sadly not all that unusual. It simply means a small number cant argue with what has been posted and start flinging ****e instead. Its really not a good look tbh.

    So why don't you and the rest feck off back to the farmers forums and leave the people here who clearly want nothing to do with you alone then lads?

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #128
    richie123
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    con747 wrote: »
    So why don't you and the rest feck off back to the farmers forums and leave the people here who clearly want nothing to do with you alone then lads?

    Con 747 and klopp.both of ye are not doing yourselves any favours.


  • #129
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    con747 wrote: »
    I lived on a farm most of my youth, I know how much time we had per day free. It must have become automated since then.
    con747 wrote: »
    So why don't you and the rest feck off back to the farmers forums and leave the people here who clearly want nothing to do with you alone then lads?


    You question whether some posters are farmers because they have the audacity to post here in reply to farming related comments ...

    And then claim yourself to have a farming background lol..

    Yeah I've seen that alluded to previously. As I said with your logic no one should be posting. But that seems to be the idea. Shut down discussion eh. Fukin farmers eh?


  • #130
    richie123
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    con747 wrote: »
    So why don't you and the rest feck off back to the farmers forums and leave the people here who clearly want nothing to do with you alone then lads?

    I'm going nowhere.im entitled to my views and I'm entitled to challenge others Ina respect manner.


  • #131
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭con747


    gozunda wrote: »
    You question whether some posters are farmers because they have the audacity to post here in reply to farming related comments ...

    And then claim yourself to have a farming background lol..

    Yeah I've seen that alluded to previously. As I said with your logic no one shoukd be posting. But that seems to be the idea. Shut down discussion eh. Fukin farmers eh?

    Obviously some people on here are just trolls. Not all you great keyboard farmers now. Other people.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • #132
    richie123
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    con747 wrote: »
    I would be surprised if the few " Keyboard" farmers posting on here actually are real farmers. I would imagine their farms would need a bit of farming to be done while they are on here talking manure all day most days.

    Con ur coming across very bitter in that nasty post.


  • #133
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Jesus Christ. Farmers should just be banned from posting in this forum. No one is ever going to agree on anything. Our views and even the different schools of science we believe in will always be at odds. Beef and dairy are always going to be in demand regardless of a few veggies posting on a forum, you're not going to lose any money lads, relax.


  • #134
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭con747


    richie123 wrote: »
    Con ur coming across very bitter in that nasty post.

    It must be all the manure I can smell from certain posters affecting me.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #135
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    richie123 wrote: »
    Con 747 and klopp.both of ye are not doing yourselves any favours.

    How so ?


  • #136
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭con747


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How so ?

    I think the only solution is to leave them get bored by not bothering to engage in their little wind up the vegans game. They can just chat among themselves then about mart prices or whatever. Signing out.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #137
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yes. Why did I take the bait ffs. Adios.


  • #138
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Jesus Christ. Farmers should just be banned from posting in this forum. No one is ever going to agree on anything. Our views and even the different schools of science we believe in will always be at odds. Beef and dairy are always going to be in demand regardless of a few veggies posting on a forum, you're not going to lose any money lads, relax.

    Should be 'banned' now eh. I'd say the aim of the previous little last tirade was to do just that. Tbf the 'farmers' are not the majority throwing insults. And Thelonious. It's a discussion - there's no money involved, relax ;),


  • #139
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    This is definitely my new favourite thing and hopefully the current or new moderators take heed -

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058021522/1/#post111460118


  • #140
    richie123
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    This is definitely my new favourite thing and hopefully the current or new moderators take heed -

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058021522/1/#post111460118

    Well you or con 747 point out anything disrespectful said in this thread about vegans?


  • #141
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    richie123 wrote: »
    Well you or con 747 point out anything disrespectful said in this thread about vegans?

    So you ask questions but don’t answer them ?


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  • #142
    richie123
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So you ask questions but don’t answer them ?

    Very hard respond to people who just want me silenced.
    Fair enough if I was being nasty
    If people can't handle tough questions without losing the plot thats something they should address themselves.
    Calling on new moderators and thread to be banned is not the way to go about it.
    What con747 said was downright nasty.


  • #143
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    richie123 wrote: »
    Very hard respond to people who just want me silenced.
    Fair enough if I was being nasty
    If people can't handle tough questions without losing the plot thats something they should address themselves.
    Calling on new moderators and thread to be banned is not the way to go about it.
    What con747 said was downright nasty.

    Absolutely no idea what you’re on about now.

    I was referring to your post -

    ‘ Con 747 and klopp.both of ye are not doing yourselves any favours.’

    I asked you to explain what you meant.


  • #144
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    richie123 wrote: »
    Very hard respond to people who just want me silenced.
    Fair enough if I was being nasty
    If people can't handle tough questions without losing the plot thats something they should address themselves.
    Calling on new moderators and thread to be banned is not the way to go about it.
    What con747 said was downright nasty.

    Richie - you're not wrong. But tbh I wouldn’t bother. Its just more of the same. Nothing more.


  • #145
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ha. God love ye.

    Victims now are ye ?

    Well feel free to post elsewhere.


  • #146
    richie123
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ha. God love ye.

    Victims now are ye ?

    Well feel free to post elsewhere.

    I won't be going anywhere.


  • #147
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    From the get go we all knew this was a baiting thread.
    But as vegans we advocate an alternative to the status quo which exploits sentient life. We have to refute the aged traditional narratives and highlight the unnecessary and harmful consumption of animals that only want to live, to minimise the needless suffering, and minimise individual impact on the planet for future generations.


  • #148
    richie123
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    auspicious wrote: »
    From the get go we all knew this was a baiting thread.
    But as vegans we advocate an alternative to the status quo which exploits sentient life. We have to refute the aged traditional narratives and highlight the unnecessary and harmful consumption of animals that only want to live, to minimise the needless suffering, and minimise individual impact on the planet for future generations.

    Absolutely disagree.
    You need to be able to back up your arguments and engage with people constructively who have a different point of view.
    Not try to silence them.


  • #149
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    richie123 wrote: »
    ...
    You need to be able to back up your arguments and engage with people constructively who have a different point of view.
    Not try to silence them.

    True. The OP asked a question. And I think yes people are interested. Unfortunately the thread has been deliberately derailed several times now by the same small number of posters dickisk behaviour. The same ironically crying about moderation. That said - thanks to those who did reply with genuine comments.


  • #150
    KennisWhale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭KennisWhale


    Why did I decide to be vegan?

    Not strongly for health reasons as the dietary advice to consume wholefoods and hardly any meat and dairy, ideally no processed pork whatsoever, apply to meat eaters and vegans. Maybe if it was for health reasons I would be in better shape!

    It's a pretty simple reason; paying for an animal to be slaughtered and butchered is horrific. I have always had a dog growing up, grandparents were dairy and sheep farmers (now just beef), but I never didn't like the animals - I would have always considered myself an animal lover. There is a cognitive dissonance between calling oneself an animal lover yet eating them. I'm not sure what eventually triggered it for me, but I cannot reconcile being an animal lover and eating them at the same time.

    Pigs are incredibly smart animals and very cute, harmless creatures. Similarly, I remember feeding the little lambs as I held them in my arms, so cute and beautiful. Completely harmless and affectionate, sentient creatures. It sickens me that people would have them slaughtered just to eat them.


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  • #151
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    richie123 wrote: »
    Absolutely disagree.
    You need to be able to back up your arguments and engage with people constructively who have a different point of view.
    Not try to silence them.

    I don't know how you got that from what I posted. I was actually saying the opposite. If you can't interpret simple english then there is no point is there? And the fact that you got a like says it all.


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