Best ways we can deal with Antisocial Behaviour

Valresnick · 02-10-2020 8:28am #1

Seems to be on the rise, or else it’s just media reporting on it more often. Check Dublinlive for an example, each day there are stories of roaming gangs running amok in Dublin.

So what’s the solution ? Is it time the state intervened and perhaps made young teens do a years military service or volunteer work etc, or have we gone so soft that we should just leave them alone in case we upset them ?

J_M_G · 02-10-2020 1:01pm

Start with allowing people to notice patterns about the racial makeup of such groups. But don't count on the media to do that, they are as complicit as the government in trying to silence any pattern noticing.

timmyntc · 02-10-2020 1:03pm

Bring back non-life threatening beatings by the police.

mr_fegelien · 02-10-2020 1:06pm

Hire the Gardai from retired American police officers.

endacl · 02-10-2020 1:07pm

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Hire the Gardai from retired American police officers.

Oh. Not permanent.

Vieira82 · 02-10-2020 1:35pm

J_M_G wrote: »

Start with allowing people to notice patterns about the racial makeup of such groups. But don't count on the media to do that, they are as complicit as the government in trying to silence any pattern noticing.

oh you mean they are all young irish lads screaming at brazilians and spanish to speak English when they can't utter one single word of Irish? yep! 100%!

Atlantic Dawn · 02-10-2020 1:37pm

Simply fine their parents every time until they have only enough money to sustain a diet of bread and water.

flogen · 02-10-2020 3:19pm

This isn’t a news/media discussion. Moved to AH.

Thelonious Monk · 02-10-2020 3:27pm

Don't look at Dublinlive for starters.
Also we wont deal with it, it has always been like this in Ireland regarding anti-social behaviour. Nothing is done, something really unspeakably bad happens from time to time, everyone is appalled, and then life goes on.

Feisar · 02-10-2020 3:28pm

Ring up Rentokill, ask how they deal with vermin. Implement those procedures.

Deebles McBeebles · 02-10-2020 3:34pm

J_M_G wrote: »

Start with allowing people to notice patterns about the racial makeup of such groups. But don't count on the media to do that, they are as complicit as the government in trying to silence any pattern noticing.

Yeah those groups of mainly white teenagers are a scourge to be fair. At least they integrate their new Irish friends in though. Would be worse if they were racist.

AndyBoBandy · 02-10-2020 3:37pm

Stop the parents Social Welfare/Dole/Benefits.

95% of the problem stops overnight.

Kids are kept in line.

ThewhiteJesus · 02-10-2020 3:38pm

timmyntc wrote: »

Bring back non-life threatening beatings by the police.

that never stopped

tastyt · 02-10-2020 3:43pm

Build more prisons

Don’t have scrotes with 50 convictions roaming the streets

Stop the bleeding heart / let’s help these poor unfortunates approach and get tough on crime and anti social behaviour

If they have no fear or respect for the guards or the law do you honestly think they will have any respect for the rest of us ?

Temptamperu · 02-10-2020 3:52pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Stop the parents Social Welfare/Dole/Benefits.

95% of the problem stops overnight.

Kids are kept in line.

And what about the ones whos parents aren't on Social Welfare?

AndyBoBandy · 02-10-2020 3:55pm

Temptamperu wrote: »

And what about the ones whos parents aren't on Social Welfare?

I'm guessing a very small minority. So their parents get fined, and if needs be, fines are deducted by Revenue.ie.

Problem is now 100% solved.

You're Welcome.

Feisar · 02-10-2020 4:00pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I'm guessing a very small minority. So their parents get fined, and if needs be, fines are deducted by Revenue.ie.

Problem is now 100% solved.

You're Welcome.

Crime would go through the roof. The doll is money we pay to keep them out of our lives for the most part and semi sedated on Dutch Gold and Johnny Blues.

brevity · 02-10-2020 4:03pm

Consequences for their actions and their parents inaction.

LuasSimon · 02-10-2020 4:04pm

Get some judges who understand the impact of anti social behaviour - crime-drugs have on the towns and villages of Ireland .

JohnnyFlash · 02-10-2020 4:09pm

Right wing paramilitary death squads.

AndyBoBandy · 02-10-2020 4:17pm

Feisar wrote: »

Crime would go through the roof. The doll is money we pay to keep them out of our lives for the most part and semi sedated on Dutch Gold and Johnny Blues.

The money the state saves in not paying scratcher, and any fines received goes towards increased policing, and building more prisons...

no better way to keep them out of your life by them being locked up!

LuasSimon · 02-10-2020 4:21pm

Stop child benefit after 6 children .

celticWario · 02-10-2020 4:22pm

There's no facilities, build more facilities and that will fix everything.

freshpopcorn · 02-10-2020 4:23pm

First offense your parents receive a fine that has to be paid and if it’s not paid in X Amount of time you’ll be sent you youth detention.
Social workers will become involved to check on your home setting and what maybe causing you issues.
Second offense larger fine and some type of community work and if not paid you’ll be sent to youth detention.
Third offense Youth Detention Center. No piercing, basic haircut, no designer clothes.
Good food provided, general life lessons.
You’ll attend class which will prepare you for your Junior Cert or Leaving Cert.(They maybe more of a focus on vocational subjects).
You’d have your uniform and very basic casual clothes.
Visits with family once every two weeks.
If you make good progress you’ll be allowed weekend visits home, clothes, more privileges and maybe even back home full time if you appear to have changed.

If there was the money their of course!

c.p.w.g.w · 02-10-2020 4:24pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Stop child benefit after 6 children .

After 2 children

Thelonious Monk · 02-10-2020 4:35pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Stop the parents Social Welfare/Dole/Benefits.

95% of the problem stops overnight.

Kids are kept in line.

It would make things worse

Thelonious Monk · 02-10-2020 4:35pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

After 2 children

That isn't fair on the kids though, they didn't ask to be born

Thelonious Monk · 02-10-2020 4:37pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I'm guessing a very small minority. So their parents get fined, and if needs be, fines are deducted by Revenue.ie.

Problem is now 100% solved.

You're Welcome.

You'd be surprised. Most of the absolute scumbags where I grew up had at least one parent working, even in places like Darndale most people there are working. I mean they're not doctors and solicitors but they're doing something. I think this idea that all scumbags have waster dole parents isn't true at all.

nthclare · 02-10-2020 4:46pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You'd be surprised. Most of the absolute scumbags where I grew up had at least one parent working, even in places like Darndale most people there are working. I mean they're not doctors and solicitors but they're doing something. I think this idea that all scumbags have waster dole parents isn't true at all.

Absolutely true, and in a lot of cases the biggest scumbag s are from affluent backgrounds, I knew doctors, teachers and Company managers owners sons in secondary school and they were right delinquents and the teachers let them off with a lot of things.
And the guards would drop them home pissed to their parents houses and be apologetic to the parents rather than sugget there's bad parenting going on..

The working class parents would ground their kids, while the middle class parents would ground the school teachers or guards if they could...

It's was pure parochial shlt, Kevin could have burnt down half a forest but, how dare the guards suggest he did it, and the smell campfire and melted LA gear runners on the pr1ck and his white guns n 'roses t-shirt smokey white

AndyBoBandy · 02-10-2020 4:47pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You'd be surprised. Most of the absolute scumbags where I grew up had at least one parent working, even in places like Darndale most people there are working. I mean they're not doctors and solicitors but they're doing something. I think this idea that all scumbags have waster dole parents isn't true at all.

So then the fines are deducted by revenue from the working parents wages.

and/or Children's Allowance is cut/stopped.

AllForIt · 02-10-2020 4:50pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Stop child benefit after 6 children .

You mean 2 children

dxhound2005 · 02-10-2020 4:54pm

Far less common where I am than it used to be. Instead of congregating outside in the evenings like 20 or 30 years ago, the young people are mostly indoors playing computer games these day.

completedit · 02-10-2020 4:59pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Stop the parents Social Welfare/Dole/Benefits.

95% of the problem stops overnight.

Kids are kept in line.

What will that do? Only lead to more deprivation.

Such a low hanging fruit solution

upupup · 02-10-2020 5:03pm

Valresnick wrote: »

Seems to be on the rise, or else it’s just media reporting on it more often. Check Dublinlive for an example, each day there are stories of roaming gangs running amok in Dublin.

So what’s the solution ? Is it time the state intervened and perhaps made young teens do a years military service or volunteer work etc, or have we gone so soft that we should just leave them alone in case we upset them ?

The A-Team:If you have a problem,if no one else can help and if you can find them maybe you can hire the A-Team.

The Equalizer: "Got a problem? Odds against you? Call the Equalizer: 212 555 4200.

Cheaper options would be The Famous five or Jessica Fletcher.

AndyBoBandy · 02-10-2020 5:05pm

completedit wrote: »

What will that do? Only lead to more deprivation.

Or encourage parents to not raise kids that are toe rags.

celticWario · 02-10-2020 7:05pm

The youngfella who shoved that woman into the canal and his friends who racial abused her all have working parents, so the "cut the dole" solution won't always work.

jrosen · 02-10-2020 7:16pm

We are far too reactive in Ireland, always looking to punish rather than invest and look at ways we can be proactive.

There is feck all to do in Ireland once your past playground age. Not that I am excusing anti social behavior. But give these kids somewhere to be, something to do and something to be part of and I bet we would see alot of them channel their energy into something positive.

We cant all be from good homes where our parents are supportive and available. For lots of kids/teens they are left to their own devices. Early intervention could see a very different outcome which would benefit whole communities.

There are also those who are from generations of troublesome families. I would imagine it to be far more difficult to change the path for one of those kids.

TheBlackPill · 02-10-2020 7:24pm

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Hire the Gardai from retired American police officers.

Hire the gardai from fired American police officers

celticWario · 02-10-2020 7:26pm

jrosen wrote: »

There is feck all to do in Ireland once your past playground age. Not that I am excusing anti social behavior. But give these kids somewhere to be, something to do and something to be part of and I bet we would see alot of them channel their energy into something positive.

Gibberish, what do kids in other countries have access to that kids in ireland dont? every area, including and especially "deprived" areas, have youth clubs, sports clubs etc. These kids are reared wrong, their parents are trash so they act like trash, bad is good, bad is fun, going to clubs and doing sports is for losers, it's a myopic outlook that it bred into them, they want to stand around on corners and hassle people, if they see something they can burn they start a fire, if they can get their hands on drink/drugs they do, if they can get into a robbed car they will, so unless the magical hand of government provides underaged drinking venues and rally/scrambler tracks for them, they're not going to care about what's already on offer, but yeah they'll yell "ders no ficilitiies" when they're taken to task over their scummy behaviour every time.

TheBlackPill · 02-10-2020 7:27pm

Keep social welfare payment consistently 20% below UK social welfare rates. The problems will then migrate

smellyoldboot · 02-10-2020 7:28pm

Making actual laws that forbid it explicitly, punishments strong enough to discourage the act and a police force and judiciary willing to actually enforce and support the law. Everything else is just flapping in the wind.

screamer · 02-10-2020 7:29pm

How about birth control

malinheader · 02-10-2020 7:30pm

upupup wrote: »

The A-Team:If you have a problem,if no one else can help and if you can find them maybe you can hire the A-Team.

The Equalizer: "Got a problem? Odds against you? Call the Equalizer: 212 555 4200.

Cheaper options would be The Famous five or Jessica Fletcher.

If it is really bad Charles Bronson, death wish.

Tea drinker · 02-10-2020 7:34pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Stop child benefit after 6 children .

There's no need for any further child benefit. Could be stopped in 2022 giving people plenty of time to decide to get preggers or not.
Instead allow more tax reflief for working mums and dads.
Give kids some facilities outside to play in / with.

McGinniesta · 02-10-2020 7:36pm

Valresnick wrote: »

Seems to be on the rise, or else it’s just media reporting on it more often. Check Dublinlive for an example, each day there are stories of roaming gangs running amok in Dublin.

So what’s the solution ? Is it time the state intervened and perhaps made young teens do a years military service or volunteer work etc, or have we gone so soft that we should just leave them alone in case we upset them ?

Firstly, Dublinlive is prime clickbait.

Personally, I'd be against the state making life decisions on behalf of anyone given it's track record.

There is no cure for antisocial behaviour. There never has been. The death penalty didn't solve it. I fail to see how a year in the army will cure anti social behaviour.

For Forks Sake · 02-10-2020 7:44pm

Valresnick wrote: »

Seems to be on the rise, or else it’s just media reporting on it more often. Check Dublinlive for an example, each day there are stories of roaming gangs running amok in Dublin.

So what’s the solution ? Is it time the state intervened and perhaps made young teens do a years military service or volunteer work etc, or have we gone so soft that we should just leave them alone in case we upset them ?

To be honest, having a load of antisocial scrotes proficient in weapons and combat probably isn't going to be a solution

jrosen · 02-10-2020 7:45pm

celticWario wrote: »

Gibberish, what do kids in other countries have access to that kids in ireland dont? every area, including and especially "deprived" areas, have youth clubs, sports clubs etc. These kids are reared wrong, their parents are trash so they act like trash, bad is good, bad is fun, going to clubs and doing sports is for losers, it's a myopic outlook that it bred into them, they want to stand around on corners and hassle people, if they see something they can burn they start a fire, if they can get their hands on drink/drugs they do, if they can get into a robbed car they will, so unless the magical hand of government provides underaged drinking venues and rally/scrambler tracks for them, they're not going to care about what's already on offer, but yeah they'll yell "ders no ficilitiies" when they're taken to task over their scummy behaviour every time.

I dont disagree with you by the way that there are sectors of society that are problematic.
I live in a very nice area and we dont have a youth club. We have absolutely nothing.
Ive also lived abroad with my family and we were surrounded by football parks/basketball courts/ outdoor pools, huge amounts of funding went into recreational areas for the local communities. Im sure there are areas of Ireland that are well equipped but equally there are areas that have nothing.

If you add to that parents who are uninterested then without guidance or help from someone else Im not surprised kids go rogue

Montage of Feck · 02-10-2020 7:56pm

In Singapore they caine the reprobates.

For Forks Sake · 02-10-2020 8:00pm

Montage of Feck wrote: »

In Singapore they caine the reprobates.

That might work.

02-10-2020 8:52pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

To be honest, having a load of antisocial scrotes proficient in weapons and combat probably isn't going to be a solution

It's funny as I have been working with some local kids who were - pretty damn antisocial to the point of terrorising little old women and worse.

And since I started working with them I have been doing a lot with them - and one of the main things I have been doing is training them to fight and use some weapons. It is a kind of "Jedi school" so they are getting taught everything we can under that curriculum.

And actually the turn around has been amazing. They have become completely different people over the time I have been with them. They are now helping those very same little old people and much more.

Do I think this will work in all cases with all kids? Not so much I think - but sometimes kids lacking the proper guidance can completely turn around when they get a little.

I met many of their parents. Some of them are scum. As people on this thread seem to want to expect. But others are not. They are just - over whelmed. They have the best of intentions but fail to meet them. And it is pretty tragic.

Valresnick · 02-10-2020 11:22pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's funny as I have been working with some local kids who were - pretty damn antisocial to the point of terrorising little old women and worse.

And since I started working with them I have been doing a lot with them - and one of the main things I have been doing is training them to fight and use some weapons. It is a kind of "Jedi school" so they are getting taught everything we can under that curriculum.

And actually the turn around has been amazing. They have become completely different people over the time I have been with them. They are now helping those very same little old people and much more.

Do I think this will work in all cases with all kids? Not so much I think - but sometimes kids lacking the proper guidance can completely turn around when they get a little.

I met many of their parents. Some of them are scum. As people on this thread seem to want to expect. But others are not. They are just - over whelmed. They have the best of intentions but fail to meet them. And it is pretty tragic.

Programs to help troubled kids are great but I think we also need accountability. Most of these guys know there are zero repercussions for their actions. They also have absolutely no fear of the law or getting caught. Governing parties need to nip that in the bud or else Dublin’s gang problem will become uncontrollable. It’s probably not far off now. I think fining parents isn’t such a bad idea but will never be brought in in this country. We are gone so soft on discipline, the teens know this so we are probably now fighting a losing battle unless a new party moves in.

Best ways we can deal with Antisocial Behaviour

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