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MayoAreMagic · 01-03-2021 12:21pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

1. Provincial council officers would have access to real time financial info for year, GAA members would not

2. Evidence for their accuracy?

They werent real time figures.

Why werent you asking for accuracy when it was claimed they disproved connellan?

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 12:24pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Of course it's not. It has only started and will take time for any noticeable difference to appear. So it is being addressed.

It's a very limited program which still includes Dublin and a few other counties. If that's addressing it then we're all in very bad shape.

dobman88 · 01-03-2021 12:29pm

Enquiring wrote: »

It's a very limited program which still includes Dublin and a few other counties. If that's addressing it then we're all in very bad shape.

It's a start and better than what had been happening tbf. Like everything, it'll take time to get there.

rebel girl 15 · 01-03-2021 12:35pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No it isnt a fact. It is complete finction truth be told. You got the name right, that is about it.
As for preperation, how do you prepare for a figment of someone elses imagination? Regardless of your views of this topic, no gaa official should be doing that, it reflects very badly on the association as far as im concerned

Took me 15 minutes to find and collate this data - I don't want you or any of the posters to take this the wrong way, but you simply don't have a clue about how the upper echelon's of GAA business work. You go in prepared - you trawl through everything available to you, you use any contacts you have to get the info - 2019 accounts were available for him to go through. 2020 should be out soon given that Congress was last weekend.

2019 GAA accounts
Leinster counties paid €2,791,599 in Games Development
Latest census figures 1,285,318 people
€2.17 per head of population

Dublin paid 1,337,630 in Games Development
Latest census 1,345,402 people
€0.99 per head of population

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 12:36pm

dobman88 wrote: »

It's a start and better than what had been happening tbf. Like everything, it'll take time to get there.

To think it will get there, you have to ignore that Dublin have increased their income to incredible levels off the back of their increased success. Other Leinster counties are 5 and 6 million behind on yearly income, even the counties within the East Leinster project are in that bracket and the gap is increasing!

Do we seriously want our competitions to slip further into those who can gain access to huge resources v those who can't? This is not the GAA I want and I'm of the belief that many others would agree with me.

ooter · 01-03-2021 12:39pm

Yeah donnellan said on the gaa hour the figures he hadn't seen before were population figures, surely he could've had them before going in to an interview with the Leinster council chairman?

rebel girl 15 · 01-03-2021 12:41pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Of course it's not. It has only started and will take time for any noticeable difference to appear. So it is being addressed.

To people hell bent on knocking Dublin off their perk, they don't understand this concept.

It will take time, but it will happen. Can take 5-10 years for investment in structures (and note I'm not saying just money here, as money doesn't buy success) to come to the fore.

It isn't the GAA they have a problem with, its Sports Ireland - who funded a lot of the Dublin project.

Again, change in the GAA takes a lot of time, but they don't acknowledge that the GAA funding of Dublin has actually changed, with Leinster increasing. No acknowledgment of the article where they have said that actually the funding has changed, but just use it to wave around saying yes, Dublin were funded etc

dobman88 · 01-03-2021 12:41pm

Enquiring wrote: »

To think it will get there, you have to ignore that Dublin have increased their income to incredible levels off the back of their increased success. Other Leinster counties are 5 and 6 million behind on yearly income, even the counties within the East Leinster project are in that bracket and the gap is increasing!

Do we seriously want our competitions to slip further into those who can gain access to huge resources v those who can't? This is not the GAA I want and I'm of the belief that many others would agree with me.

Other counties will increase theirs when they become successful. It's all cyclical. Sure even cork have a big new sponsor now. It's up to each county to go and get that. If Dublin get 1 million or 100 million from aig or whoever, that's just between them and the sponsor.

Spending caps on county teams would do more to level the playing field besides trying to hamper sponsorship a county can generate.

rebel girl 15 · 01-03-2021 12:43pm

ooter wrote: »

Yeah donnellan said on the gaa hour the figures he hadn't seen before were population figures, surely he could've had them before going in to an interview with the Leinster council chairman?

I got them very easily, so could Donnellan

dobman88 · 01-03-2021 12:43pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Took me 15 minutes to find and collate this data - I don't want you or any of the posters to take this the wrong way, but you simply don't have a clue about how the upper echelon's of GAA business work. You go in prepared - you trawl through everything available to you, you use any contacts you have to get the info - 2019 accounts were available for him to go through. 2020 should be out soon given that Congress was last weekend.

2019 GAA accounts
Leinster counties paid €2,791,599 in Games Development
Latest census figures 1,285,318 people
€2.17 per head of population

Dublin paid 1,337,630 in Games Development
Latest census 1,345,402 people
€0.99 per head of population

:pac:

Is John Connellan posting as MayoAreMagic?? Schooled.

rebel girl 15 · 01-03-2021 12:44pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Other counties will increase theirs when they become successful. It's all cyclical. Sure even cork have a big new sponsor now. It's up to each county to go and get that. If Dublin get 1 million or 100 million from aig or whoever, that's just between them and the sponsor.

Spending caps on county teams would do more to level the playing field besides trying to hamper sponsorship a county can generate.

100% agree with that piece in bold.

Why does Dublin get the biggest jersey sponsorship? Because they have the biggest market - that's never going to change.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 12:50pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Took me 15 minutes to find and collate this data - I don't want you or any of the posters to take this the wrong way, but you simply don't have a clue about how the upper echelon's of GAA business work. You go in prepared - you trawl through everything available to you, you use any contacts you have to get the info - 2019 accounts were available for him to go through. 2020 should be out soon given that Congress was last weekend.

2019 GAA accounts
Leinster counties paid €2,791,599 in Games Development
Latest census figures 1,285,318 people
€2.17 per head of population

Dublin paid 1,337,630 in Games Development
Latest census 1,345,402 people
€0.99 per head of population

The 2020 figures are already up. Dublin received 20% of the games development funding last year.

The per capita argument is a disingenuous one. First of all Dublin received more in relation to that measure for nearly 2 decades but as we know, the funding wasnt divided per capita. Everyone else received in and around the same. Antrim, Leitrim, Wexford, Tipperary, whoever, no major gaps at all. From Cork as the second highest and Fermanagh in last, the gap was quite small. Everyone received enough to gain access to between 1 and 6 coaches. An example to show the per capita analysis is nonsense is comparing Dublin with Cork. In 2019, Cork had around the same number of youth teams and players and a wider area to cover yet only had access to 7 coaches.

The second part of this being a poor measure is that the games development funding is for children under 18 and particularly those registered to clubs. Dublin have had 30,000 and under children aged between 8-18 registered to clubs since this scheme came into action in 2002. They saw the main benefit of the coaches as they were hired by clubs.

Another part that can't be ignored. Following the increased success on the field from the coaching scheme, Dublin increased their income off it. Dublin spend between 3.5 million and 4 million in total on games development now. The 2 decade head start has had an enormous impact.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 12:55pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Other counties will increase theirs when they become successful. It's all cyclical. Sure even cork have a big new sponsor now. It's up to each county to go and get that. If Dublin get 1 million or 100 million from aig or whoever, that's just between them and the sponsor.

Spending caps on county teams would do more to level the playing field besides trying to hamper sponsorship a county can generate.

Well you obviously don't mind continuing on a road where it's about gaining access to huge resources in order to compete. That's fair enough but I'd be hopeful that the majority wouldn't agree with that.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 12:59pm

dobman88 wrote: »

:pac:

Is John Connellan posting as MayoAreMagic?? Schooled.

Au contraire.

ooter · 01-03-2021 1:02pm

There must be at least 200,000 children under 18 in Dublin, that's an awful lot more than 30,000.

ShamoBuc · 01-03-2021 1:06pm

ooter wrote: »

There must be at least 200,000 children under 18 in Dublin, that's an awful lot more than 30,000.

Around 170,000 I'd say.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 1:10pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Around 170,000 I'd say.

But under 30,00 registered players aged between 8 and 18. These would have the main impact on elite standards. This is not to say that the nurseries and schools coaching has not had a positive impact also.

ooter · 01-03-2021 1:15pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Around 170,000 I'd say.

I seen figures on another forum of 168,000 in 2016 for 4 to 14 year olds so just assumed it would have been higher for under 18s.

ShamoBuc · 01-03-2021 1:21pm

ooter wrote: »

I seen figures on another forum of 168,000 in 2016 for 4 to 14 year olds so just assumed it would have been higher for under 18s.

Could well be, a lot of children might not be registered though.

But all of them would still be getting the coaching and training in schools of course, so the effect of monies spent on this is obviously having an effect on the higher figure.

dobman88 · 01-03-2021 1:35pm

Enquiring wrote: »

Well you obviously don't mind continuing on a road where it's about gaining access to huge resources in order to compete. That's fair enough but I'd be hopeful that the majority wouldn't agree with that.

You must have missed the 2nd part of my post and it makes a lot of sense. So I'll post it again.

Spending caps on county teams would do more to level the playing field besides trying to hamper sponsorship a county can generate.

That way, you limit what counties spend on teams and instead they can put any surplus into developing facilities and the like. No team should be punished or have their sponsorship stopped after going out to get it.

tritium · 01-03-2021 1:44pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

To people hell bent on knocking Dublin off their perk, they don't understand this concept.

It will take time, but it will happen. Can take 5-10 years for investment in structures (and note I'm not saying just money here, as money doesn't buy success) to come to the fore.

It isn't the GAA they have a problem with, its Sports Ireland - who funded a lot of the Dublin project.

Again, change in the GAA takes a lot of time, but they don't acknowledge that the GAA funding of Dublin has actually changed, with Leinster increasing. No acknowledgment of the article where they have said that actually the funding has changed, but just use it to wave around saying yes, Dublin were funded etc

Equally there’s no acknowledgement that the dublin project itself took time to yield results. The dublin structures took years to yield benefits yet there are posters trying to attribute success back in the early noughties to funding. There seems to be his idea that if you throw money at games development it yields overnight results, which bizarrely enough is the mindset that the dublin project appears to have been designed to prevent.

ShyMets · 01-03-2021 1:45pm

dobman88 wrote: »

You must have missed the 2nd part of my post and it makes a lot of sense. So I'll post it again.

Spending caps on county teams would do more to level the playing field besides trying to hamper sponsorship a county can generate.

That way, you limit what counties spend on teams and instead they can put any surplus into developing facilities and the like. No team should be punished or have their sponsorship stopped after going out to get it.

One potential issue with pooled sponsorship is it may generate less money then envisaged.

If teams teams know sponsorship will be pooled they may be less inclined to seek out blue chip sponsors.

I'm not suggesting teams would purposely get a bad deal. But the likes of Dublin may not be inclined to target AIGs of this world

dobman88 · 01-03-2021 1:48pm

ShyMets wrote: »

One potential issue with pooled sponsorship is it may generate less money then envisaged.

If teams teams know sponsorship will be pooled they may be less inclined to seek out blue chip sponsors.

I'm not suggesting teams would purposely get a bad deal. But the likes of Dublin may not be inclined to target the likes of AIG

Exactly. Why would they bother if they're going to be punished for doing so. If a county is unhappy with the deal they have it's up to the board to negotiate a new one or go find a different sponsor. I remember some Westmeath lad complaining they had to pay for shorts or something. God forbid a player would pay 20 quid for an essential piece of kit. If that player wants free shorts, approach the county board and tell them to get it in the sponsorship deal.

It's all very simple really.

tritium · 01-03-2021 1:58pm

Enquiring wrote: »

But under 30,00 registered players aged between 8 and 18. These would have the main impact on elite standards. This is not to say that the nurseries and schools coaching has not had a positive impact also.

Except that the idea of games development is to develop the games amongst your full catchment rather than just registered players......

That’s why gdos go to the schools I guess

rebel girl 15 · 01-03-2021 2:02pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Exactly. Why would they bother if they're going to be punished for doing so. If a county is unhappy with the deal they have it's up to the board to negotiate a new one or go find a different sponsor. I remember some Westmeath lad complaining they had to pay for shorts or something. God forbid a player would pay 20 quid for an essential piece of kit. If that player wants free shorts, approach the county board and tell them to get it in the sponsorship deal.

It's all very simple really.

Its how a county board structures a kit sponsorship deal. Nothing stopping counties having a primary sponsor for the jersey and secondary sponsors for leisurewear. Player reps should negotiate the leisurewear allocation before a season starts so it is budgeted for - in that case it doesn't seem to have been well negotiated or thought out

ArielAtom · 01-03-2021 2:04pm

A spending cap is interesting. I have to say I would be in agreement. There are some elements that need to be factored in, such as travel for country lads working away. That would be outside the team preparation. It would need to be monitored, as some fairly high profile county lads openly admitted to abusing it by 4/5 lads in one car and all claiming travel expenses.

tritium · 01-03-2021 2:07pm

Enquiring wrote: »

To think it will get there, you have to ignore that Dublin have increased their income to incredible levels off the back of their increased success. Other Leinster counties are 5 and 6 million behind on yearly income, even the counties within the East Leinster project are in that bracket and the gap is increasing!

Do we seriously want our competitions to slip further into those who can gain access to huge resources v those who can't? This is not the GAA I want and I'm of the belief that many others would agree with me.

Just to be clear, you’re fine with some counties having incomes that’s many millions greater than other counties. That’s many multiples of other counties

Just once that county isn’t dublin

MayoAreMagic · 01-03-2021 2:10pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Took me 15 minutes to find and collate this data - I don't want you or any of the posters to take this the wrong way, but you simply don't have a clue about how the upper echelon's of GAA business work. You go in prepared - you trawl through everything available to you, you use any contacts you have to get the info - 2019 accounts were available for him to go through. 2020 should be out soon given that Congress was last weekend.

2019 GAA accounts
Leinster counties paid €2,791,599 in Games Development
Latest census figures 1,285,318 people
€2.17 per head of population

Dublin paid 1,337,630 in Games Development
Latest census 1,345,402 people
€0.99 per head of population

Well, I dont want you to take it the wrong way either, nor is it personal, but those figures are deliberately misleading. Fair play to enquiring, he has taken the time to debunk your point, I wouldnt have bothered tbh. The points the gaa official made have been shown to be disingenuous, why anyone of a reasonable mind would be chastising connellan in respect to that fact, I do not know.

It would suggest you arent really looking at the thing objectively, but rather you are hearing what you want to hear. In all honesty, if that is the approach then what is the point in even listening/reading it?

Also, connellan has little vested interest in this and has little to gain from it. The other lad is a different story. Turkeys wont vote for christmas, be they dublin gaa fans or gaa officials with lofty personal ambitions.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 2:13pm

dobman88 wrote: »

You must have missed the 2nd part of my post and it makes a lot of sense. So I'll post it again.

Spending caps on county teams would do more to level the playing field besides trying to hamper sponsorship a county can generate.

That way, you limit what counties spend on teams and instead they can put any surplus into developing facilities and the like. No team should be punished or have their sponsorship stopped after going out to get it.

Oh I agree with spending caps as well as pooled sponsorship. Some counties are already spending close to 4 million on player development, I think a more balanced system is required.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 2:16pm

tritium wrote: »

Equally there’s no acknowledgement that the dublin project itself took time to yield results. The dublin structures took years to yield benefits yet there are posters trying to attribute success back in the early noughties to funding. There seems to be his idea that if you throw money at games development it yields overnight results, which bizarrely enough is the mindset that the dublin project appears to have been designed to prevent.

Kildare won their first u20/u21 All Ireland title for decades. Meath won their first Leinster minor in a decade. Wicklow beat Dublin in an underage football game for the first time in how long?

Similarly, player development in Dublin had an immediate impact. Their first ever u21 All Ireland in football, followed soon by underage success in hurling and football that was unheard of pre funding.

MayoAreMagic · 01-03-2021 2:17pm

ShyMets wrote: »

One potential issue with pooled sponsorship is it may generate less money then envisaged.

If teams teams know sponsorship will be pooled they may be less inclined to seek out blue chip sponsors.

I'm not suggesting teams would purposely get a bad deal. But the likes of Dublin may not be inclined to target AIGs of this world

So they would sulk and do a crappy job? Sounds like they are dublin gaa people, rather than gaa people. Anyone doing so could always be replaced by someone willing to do their job I suppose.
Id imagine some joined up thinking, with the gaa being sold as an entity, would get far larger deals than dublin or anyone else would alone. Again, thinly veiled threats about earning power arent going to dissuade the debate. There was a gaa before dublin inc. There can be one after them too.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 2:19pm

tritium wrote: »

Except that the idea of games development is to develop the games amongst your full catchment rather than just registered players......

That’s why gdos go to the schools I guess

Part if their role is to get access to kids at a young age to coach skills and encourage club involvement. Of course that's very beneficial to standards in Dublin but the main role of the coach is within the clubs themselves. That's were the elite standards get raised.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 2:25pm

tritium wrote: »

Just to be clear, you’re fine with some counties having incomes that’s many millions greater than other counties. That’s many multiples of other counties

Just once that county isn’t dublin

I don't know where you have picked that up from? Certainly not the post you quoted. You need to drop the victim complex. As has been explained, this is not anti Dublin, this is pro fair play but as this thread is about Dublin, I think noting that they have a yearly income of many millions more than their competitors is fair.

tritium · 01-03-2021 2:31pm

Enquiring wrote: »

Part if their role is to get access to kids at a young age to coach skills and encourage club involvement. Of course that's very beneficial to standards in Dublin but the main role of the coach is within the clubs themselves. That's were the elite standards get raised.

You really have no idea of how a gdo works in a dublin club do you?

I mean a real idea, not a line you pulled from an internet article because it seemed to prove your point for a message board.

Have you ever actually been involved with a club in dublins and seen how it works?

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 2:38pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well, I dont want you to take it the wrong way either, nor is it personal, but those figures are deliberately misleading. Fair play to enquiring, he has taken the time to debunk your point, I wouldnt have bothered tbh. The points the gaa official made have been shown to be disingenuous, why anyone of a reasonable mind would be chastising connellan in respect to that fact, I do not know.

It would suggest you arent really looking at the thing objectively, but rather you are hearing what you want to hear. In all honesty, if that is the approach then what is the point in even listening/reading it?

Also, connellan has little vested interest in this and has little to gain from it. The other lad is a different story. Turkeys wont vote for christmas, be they dublin gaa fans or gaa officials with lofty personal ambitions.

That's a really fair point. You don't become the Leinster council chairman by going up against Dublin, nevermind moving up higher. The Leinster council has a lot to answer for in all this.

Somehow funding a few other counties in Leinster is solving all the issues now. Every other county can rest assured, the problem is being sorted by not giving you appropriate funding and continuing to fund Dublin.

ooter · 01-03-2021 2:41pm

How is giving out accurate population figures that donnellan didn't have disingenuous?

tritium · 01-03-2021 2:42pm

Enquiring wrote: »

That's a really fair point. You don't become the Leinster council chairman by going up against Dublin, nevermind moving up higher. The Leinster council has a lot to answer for in all this.

Somehow funding a few other counties in Leinster is solving all the issues now. Every other county can rest assured, the problem is being sorted by not giving you appropriate funding and continuing to fund Dublin.

Ah yeah here we go so, we must be in the endgame of the thread

All a conspiracy- check
Sinister forces in the Leinster council -check
References to vested interests - check

The Illuminati’ should be along any minute now

tritium · 01-03-2021 2:47pm

ooter wrote: »

How is giving out accurate population figures that donnellan didn't have disingenuous?

As far as I can find the only real point of contention with teehans numbers is whether the dublin money from sports ireland was ringfenced. Connellan has tried to imply it’s a huge deal but to be honest it’s not since it only goes to a timing of when the funding could have been redistributed, which is a live question anyway and one that I think most dublin posters would concede to some extent at least

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 2:48pm

tritium wrote: »

You really have no idea of how a gdo works in a dublin club do you?

I mean a real idea, not a line you pulled from an internet article because it seemed to prove your point for a message board.

Have you ever actually been involved with a club in dublins and seen how it works?

I have been involved in a club in Dublin and I know current and former GPO's. I know exactly what role they do and the huge benefits of it.

I don't use anecdotal evidence however. The Dublin county board strategic manager has outlined the roll of the coaches. It's not some random quote from some random person.

ShyMets · 01-03-2021 2:49pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

So they would sulk and do a crappy job? Sounds like they are dublin gaa people, rather than gaa people. Anyone doing so could always be replaced by someone willing to do their job I suppose.
Id imagine some joined up thinking, with the gaa being sold as an entity, would get far larger deals than dublin or anyone else would alone. Again, thinly veiled threats about earning power arent going to dissuade the debate. There was a gaa before dublin inc. There can be one after them too.

It was not a thinly veined threat. I merely pointed a potential issue which may or may not arise.

They can be a GAA after Dublin could be construed as a thinly veiled threat

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 2:55pm

tritium wrote: »

Ah yeah here we go so, we must be in the endgame of the thread

All a conspiracy- check
Sinister forces in the Leinster council -check
References to vested interests - check

The Illuminati’ should be along any minute now

I think you want this thread to be ended as the facts have absolutely obliterated any argument that defends the financial disparity.

tritium · 01-03-2021 3:17pm

Enquiring wrote: »

I think you want this thread to be ended as the facts have absolutely obliterated any argument that defends the financial disparity.

Hey I’m happy to keep going, I’m not on the side that’s being reduced to conspiracy theories and talk of vested interests

Which may be understandable given that all the split arguments have been demolished at this point and there’s really a small group determined to do an Alamo on it left

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 3:24pm

tritium wrote: »

Hey I’m happy to keep going, I’m not on the side that’s being reduced to conspiracy theories and talk of vested interests

Which may be understandable given that all the split arguments have been demolished at this point and there’s really a small group determined to do an Alamo on it left

How can we have fair competitions with Dublin having an annual income of 5 or 6 million more than most other counties? Can you answer that question without any whataboutery or deflection?

tritium · 01-03-2021 3:39pm

Enquiring wrote: »

How can we have fair competitions with Dublin having an annual income of 5 or 6 million more than most other counties? Can you answer that question without any whataboutery or deflection?

The same way you seem to think it’s been a fair competition with Kerry and Mayo having 2 to 3 x the income of their competitors I guess. The same way you seem to think it’s been a fair competition when Kerry’s 2019 income appears to be on par or better than dublins. The same way you think it’s been a fair competition when some counties have had 30 years of lucrative commercial arrangements.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 3:55pm

tritium wrote: »

The same way you seem to think it’s been a fair competition with Kerry and Mayo having 2 to 3 x the income of their competitors I guess. The same way you seem to think it’s been a fair competition when Kerry’s 2019 income appears to be on par or better than dublins. The same way you think it’s been a fair competition when some counties have had 30 years of lucrative commercial arrangements.

So you can't answer the question without resorting to whataboutery. That says everything. The games up, the financial disparity is indefensible. Now, you're not going to accept this and many Dubs won't either and that's understandable. It's not an easy thing to accept but we all have to introduce major changes so our games can have a healthy future. This will involve the possibility of caps on spending, pooled sponsorship, it will have to involve an increase in funding to many counties and also splitting Dublin into 4 which will lead to a change in structures as well.

This will leave us with 35 counties with appropriate funding to promote and develop Gaelic games within their county, to improve structures in clubs nationwide and an equal opportunity to compete in inter county competitions. All with a newly designed championship structures. It's an exciting time and the hunger is there for these radical changes.

Enquiring · 01-03-2021 4:01pm

flasher0030 wrote: »

You can take that back, sonny boy. I was on Hill 16 with a Dublin scarf, shouting that ball over the bar at the end. I've lived in Dublin for more than half my life, played with a Dublin club for 15 years (albeit junior level), and now train the kids (including my own) at the local Dublin club. That win was the most memorable atmosphere of anything that I was ever at. I can only imagine what it was like for a true Dub.
I didn't "go through it" because it was Dublin. It was on TG4 and I just caught the end of it. Didn't even know it was scheduled.
I'm just saying it became very apparent that at the end, Dublin really got the rub of the green. Do you disagree with me? What points in particular do you disagree with.
And out of interest what was said in 1995 that allowed Dublin to win same. What conspiracies. I don't remember to be honest.

I do have my own thoughts on the funding alright and I have previously commented on them here. But at the end of the day we all have opinions. And they are not massively important.

When all else fails, the begrudgery line or the anti Dublin line gets thrown out. It's a victim complex that is totally misplaced. If any other county had been over funded by the governing body of our sport for 2 decades, there would be calls for action to be taken with them also.

tritium · 01-03-2021 4:59pm

gourcuff wrote: »

it would actually be a great even championship especially in leinster if dublin were not involved, or got knocked out in the first round (chances a thousand to one)... this year i assume will be another farce with no reform and business as usual

Without dublin it would just be Kerry with a monopoly. Take them out and it’s probably a Mayo monopoly. Leinster would just return to a meaningless sideshow that never bothered anyone come September. Tbh if you want a balanced championship you need to fix a lot more than dublins role

ooter · 01-03-2021 5:09pm

Ask any county in Leinster would they prefer to win the provincial championship or the all Ireland and I'd imagine every one of them would say the latter.
You could actually get to the all Ireland final without winning Leinster or meeting Dublin along the way.
Kildare got to the super 8s in 2018 without having to play Dublin, it wasn't Dublin's fault they didn't get any further.
Dublin could win the next 10 leinsters, it still wouldn't stop any other county in Leinster from winning the all Ireland.

gourcuff · 01-03-2021 6:19pm

ooter wrote: »

Ask any county in Leinster would they prefer to win the provincial championship or the all Ireland and I'd imagine every one of them would say the latter.
You could actually get to the all Ireland final without winning Leinster or meeting Dublin along the way.
Kildare got to the super 8s in 2018 without having to play Dublin, it wasn't Dublin's fault they didn't get any further.
Dublin could win the next 10 leinsters, it still wouldn't stop any other county in Leinster from winning the all Ireland.

There have been some player accounts and former player accounts of the demoralising impact one team winning 15/16 titles has had on Leinster, i don't think you can ignore that.

Leinster should never have had byes into the later rounds either, open draw every year.

gourcuff · 01-03-2021 6:23pm

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Without dublin it would just be Kerry with a monopoly. Take them out and it’s probably a Mayo monopoly. Leinster would just return to a meaningless sideshow that never bothered anyone come September. Tbh if you want a balanced championship you need to fix a lot more than dublins role

Complete nonsense, the rest of the counties have not been financially doped (in addition to their myriad of other advantages) and its far more competitive, kerry and mayo cant play every game at home to get to win an all ireland either.

Ros and Galway can beat mayo.
Cork can beat Kerry.
Practically everyone in ulster can beat each other.

Ulster champs can beat mayo and kerry.
mayo can regularly beat kerry.

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