The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

dobman88 wrote: »

"The Championship". Lol.

The Leinster championship, yes. Same as Teahan admitted to. Also, that imbalance is being addressed by funding Meath and Kildare now. Maybe a couple of others I'm not aware of.

Do you always have to try and twist everything to suit your narrative, it really dents whatever little credibility you had.

Trying to make this point, after claiming that the 'imbalance is being addressed' , undermines you completely.

ArielAtom wrote: »

Connellan went into an online debate a few weeks back with the Leinster Chairman, in the course of it, he stated he did not know that a number of times, he was ill prepared and didn't have the required data to enable a meaningful conversation.

* previously unreleased, and inaccurate data.

In truth, the manner of their response shows that he has them quite rattled. Id imagine it will only serve to encourage him further, and rightly so.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Trying to make this point, after claiming that the 'imbalance is being addressed' , undermines you completely.

Is it not being addressed?

I dont care what undermines me at all. It's a discussion on a random internet forum. It's not exactly to be taken seriously. You seem way too invested in this.

ArielAtom

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

* previously unreleased, and inaccurate data.

In truth, the manner of their response shows that he has them quite rattled. Id imagine it will only serve to encourage him further, and rightly so.

As has been pointed out, preparation is essential if you are going to debate. John did little or no preparation and thought he could blag his way through it. He got schooled. That is a fact. PPPPPP.

dobman88 wrote: »

"The Championship". Lol.

The Leinster championship, yes. Same as Teahan admitted to. Also, that imbalance is being addressed by funding Meath and Kildare now. Maybe a couple of others I'm not aware of.

Do you always have to try and twist everything to suit your narrative, it really dents whatever little credibility you had.

Did you read the article? That's what he agreed with, he didn't specify.

You can't balance up 2 decades of funding imbalance. A 2 decade head start is massive. Dublin have an annual income of 5 million more than other Leinster counties.

ArielAtom wrote: »

As has been pointed out, preparation is essential if you are going to debate. John did little or no preparation and thought he could blag his way through it. He got schooled. That is a fact. PPPPPP.

In fairness, you're a poster who claimed the funding disparity only lasted from 2007-2017 and it was just for primary school children. When the facts were presented you had to drop that line.

Enquiring wrote: »

Did you read the article? That's what he agreed with, he didn't specify.

Its the leinster council chairman talking to a player from a leinster county about the leinster championship.

If you want to be pedantic about it, he didnt specifically say that it has decimated the competition. He said yes, there was no argument. The funding has been disproportionate.

See how you can say things to suit a narrative.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

That is because they werent released before that.

They werent accurate either...

1. Provincial council officers would have access to real time financial info for year, GAA members would not

2. Evidence for their accuracy?

dobman88 wrote: »

Is it not being addressed?

I dont care what undermines me at all. It's a discussion on a random internet forum. It's not exactly to be taken seriously. You seem way too invested in this.

No they arent being addressed. The gaa may be throwing a few sheckles at them to save face after the damage is done, but any reasonable bit of analysis will tell you that it is just window dressing.

dobman88 wrote: »

Its the leinster council chairman talking to a player from a leinster county about the leinster championship.

If you want to be pedantic about it, he didnt specifically say that it has decimated the competition. He said yes, there was no argument. The funding has been disproportionate.

See how you can say things to suit a narrative.

It could have been just the Leinster championship, it could have been the football championship as a whole. Not sure but either way, he acknowledges the impact of the funding which is something that not many defenders of the disparity have done.

Enquiring wrote: »

It could have been just the Leinster championship, it could have been the football championship as a whole. Not sure but either way, he acknowledges the impact of the funding which is something that not many defenders of the disparity have done.

He does. Nice to see you row back on your assertion. It shows me you may be able to be reasoned with which is quite surprising so fair play.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No they arent being addressed. The gaa may be throwing a few sheckles at them to save face after the damage is done, but any reasonable bit of analysis will tell you that it is just window dressing.

What's the East Leinster project for then?

ArielAtom wrote: »

As has been pointed out, preparation is essential if you are going to debate. John did little or no preparation and thought he could blag his way through it. He got schooled. That is a fact. PPPPPP.

No it isnt a fact. It is complete finction truth be told. You got the name right, that is about it.
As for preperation, how do you prepare for a figment of someone elses imagination? Regardless of your views of this topic, no gaa official should be doing that, it reflects very badly on the association as far as im concerned

dobman88 wrote: »

What's the East Leinster project for then?

A bit of window dressing that will change nothing.
Any analysis of the differences in scale at play will tell you that.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

bit of window dressing that eill change nothing.
Any analysis of the differences in scale at play will tell you that.

Of course it's not. It has only started and will take time for any noticeable difference to appear. So it is being addressed.

dobman88 wrote: »

He does. Nice to see you row back on your assertion. It shows me you may be able to be reasoned with which is quite surprising so fair play.

I didn't row back so take back that reasoned claim.

He said the championship so he could have meant either but it's a step in the right direction in any case.

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

1. Provincial council officers would have access to real time financial info for year, GAA members would not

2. Evidence for their accuracy?

They werent real time figures.

Why werent you asking for accuracy when it was claimed they disproved connellan?

dobman88 wrote: »

Of course it's not. It has only started and will take time for any noticeable difference to appear. So it is being addressed.

It's a very limited program which still includes Dublin and a few other counties. If that's addressing it then we're all in very bad shape.

Enquiring wrote: »

It's a very limited program which still includes Dublin and a few other counties. If that's addressing it then we're all in very bad shape.

It's a start and better than what had been happening tbf. Like everything, it'll take time to get there.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No it isnt a fact. It is complete finction truth be told. You got the name right, that is about it.
As for preperation, how do you prepare for a figment of someone elses imagination? Regardless of your views of this topic, no gaa official should be doing that, it reflects very badly on the association as far as im concerned

Took me 15 minutes to find and collate this data - I don't want you or any of the posters to take this the wrong way, but you simply don't have a clue about how the upper echelon's of GAA business work. You go in prepared - you trawl through everything available to you, you use any contacts you have to get the info - 2019 accounts were available for him to go through. 2020 should be out soon given that Congress was last weekend.

2019 GAA accounts
Leinster counties paid €2,791,599 in Games Development
Latest census figures 1,285,318 people
€2.17 per head of population

Dublin paid 1,337,630 in Games Development
Latest census 1,345,402 people
€0.99 per head of population

dobman88 wrote: »

It's a start and better than what had been happening tbf. Like everything, it'll take time to get there.

To think it will get there, you have to ignore that Dublin have increased their income to incredible levels off the back of their increased success. Other Leinster counties are 5 and 6 million behind on yearly income, even the counties within the East Leinster project are in that bracket and the gap is increasing!

Do we seriously want our competitions to slip further into those who can gain access to huge resources v those who can't? This is not the GAA I want and I'm of the belief that many others would agree with me.

ooter

Yeah donnellan said on the gaa hour the figures he hadn't seen before were population figures, surely he could've had them before going in to an interview with the Leinster council chairman?

dobman88 wrote: »

Of course it's not. It has only started and will take time for any noticeable difference to appear. So it is being addressed.

To people hell bent on knocking Dublin off their perk, they don't understand this concept.

It will take time, but it will happen. Can take 5-10 years for investment in structures (and note I'm not saying just money here, as money doesn't buy success) to come to the fore.

It isn't the GAA they have a problem with, its Sports Ireland - who funded a lot of the Dublin project.

Again, change in the GAA takes a lot of time, but they don't acknowledge that the GAA funding of Dublin has actually changed, with Leinster increasing. No acknowledgment of the article where they have said that actually the funding has changed, but just use it to wave around saying yes, Dublin were funded etc

Enquiring wrote: »

To think it will get there, you have to ignore that Dublin have increased their income to incredible levels off the back of their increased success. Other Leinster counties are 5 and 6 million behind on yearly income, even the counties within the East Leinster project are in that bracket and the gap is increasing!

Do we seriously want our competitions to slip further into those who can gain access to huge resources v those who can't? This is not the GAA I want and I'm of the belief that many others would agree with me.

Other counties will increase theirs when they become successful. It's all cyclical. Sure even cork have a big new sponsor now. It's up to each county to go and get that. If Dublin get 1 million or 100 million from aig or whoever, that's just between them and the sponsor.

Spending caps on county teams would do more to level the playing field besides trying to hamper sponsorship a county can generate.

ooter wrote: »

Yeah donnellan said on the gaa hour the figures he hadn't seen before were population figures, surely he could've had them before going in to an interview with the Leinster council chairman?

I got them very easily, so could Donnellan

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Took me 15 minutes to find and collate this data - I don't want you or any of the posters to take this the wrong way, but you simply don't have a clue about how the upper echelon's of GAA business work. You go in prepared - you trawl through everything available to you, you use any contacts you have to get the info - 2019 accounts were available for him to go through. 2020 should be out soon given that Congress was last weekend.

2019 GAA accounts
Leinster counties paid €2,791,599 in Games Development
Latest census figures 1,285,318 people
€2.17 per head of population

Dublin paid 1,337,630 in Games Development
Latest census 1,345,402 people
€0.99 per head of population

:pac:

Is John Connellan posting as MayoAreMagic?? Schooled.

dobman88 wrote: »

Other counties will increase theirs when they become successful. It's all cyclical. Sure even cork have a big new sponsor now. It's up to each county to go and get that. If Dublin get 1 million or 100 million from aig or whoever, that's just between them and the sponsor.

Spending caps on county teams would do more to level the playing field besides trying to hamper sponsorship a county can generate.

100% agree with that piece in bold.

Why does Dublin get the biggest jersey sponsorship? Because they have the biggest market - that's never going to change.

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Took me 15 minutes to find and collate this data - I don't want you or any of the posters to take this the wrong way, but you simply don't have a clue about how the upper echelon's of GAA business work. You go in prepared - you trawl through everything available to you, you use any contacts you have to get the info - 2019 accounts were available for him to go through. 2020 should be out soon given that Congress was last weekend.

2019 GAA accounts
Leinster counties paid €2,791,599 in Games Development
Latest census figures 1,285,318 people
€2.17 per head of population

Dublin paid 1,337,630 in Games Development
Latest census 1,345,402 people
€0.99 per head of population

The 2020 figures are already up. Dublin received 20% of the games development funding last year.

The per capita argument is a disingenuous one. First of all Dublin received more in relation to that measure for nearly 2 decades but as we know, the funding wasnt divided per capita. Everyone else received in and around the same. Antrim, Leitrim, Wexford, Tipperary, whoever, no major gaps at all. From Cork as the second highest and Fermanagh in last, the gap was quite small. Everyone received enough to gain access to between 1 and 6 coaches. An example to show the per capita analysis is nonsense is comparing Dublin with Cork. In 2019, Cork had around the same number of youth teams and players and a wider area to cover yet only had access to 7 coaches.

The second part of this being a poor measure is that the games development funding is for children under 18 and particularly those registered to clubs. Dublin have had 30,000 and under children aged between 8-18 registered to clubs since this scheme came into action in 2002. They saw the main benefit of the coaches as they were hired by clubs.

Another part that can't be ignored. Following the increased success on the field from the coaching scheme, Dublin increased their income off it. Dublin spend between 3.5 million and 4 million in total on games development now. The 2 decade head start has had an enormous impact.

dobman88 wrote: »

Other counties will increase theirs when they become successful. It's all cyclical. Sure even cork have a big new sponsor now. It's up to each county to go and get that. If Dublin get 1 million or 100 million from aig or whoever, that's just between them and the sponsor.

Spending caps on county teams would do more to level the playing field besides trying to hamper sponsorship a county can generate.

Well you obviously don't mind continuing on a road where it's about gaining access to huge resources in order to compete. That's fair enough but I'd be hopeful that the majority wouldn't agree with that.