Championship and Covid

Hammer Archer · 18-02-2021 8:58am

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

What if the other half of the draw is still at the semi-final stage though? You are in your first final in 60 years but the opposition hasn't been decided yet. It would seem incredibly harsh for that to be cancelled on you.
Sure it can be ran in just two weekends!
(You know where this leads)

I doubt that there are many counties who split their semi finals on separate weekends. Most, if not all, would play their semi finals on the same weekend.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Ahh sure it's at the quarter final stage. Just three weekends. Then there is an outbreak in one of the clubs and everything is put on hold again!!!!

I can see the case where it is a straight final for the game to be played. Winner decided on the day scenario. Outbreak in one of the clubs the week of the game results in the game being awarded to the other side with no giving out or arguments would have to be case.

If there was an outbreak in one of the clubs, then we'd have the same scenario if the 2021 championships were started.

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Because you then will have people going. If one team was in a final and there was just a semi final to be played and then its just a semi final and a final so 2 games in total and then its 2 semis and a final to be played etc etc.

Easier and better to just say that the competitions for 2020 will be incomplete. If a competition hasnt reached the final then nobody is declared winner for 2020. If 2 teams have reached a final and it wasnt played then just share the trophy
It might be tough on some clubs but thats life. These are unprecedented times. Think its far better to just move on with 2021 competitions

With respect, that doesn't make sense. If a county wants to void their 2020 championship, then that's up to their county board and the clubs. But don't force every county to do so. 2021 championships (whenever they start) won't be started without any preparation. Whether it's league games or challenge games, clubs will have a few weeks preparation to get some game time under their belts. It would be very easy to fit unfinished 2020 championship finals (or even semi finals) into these preparation weeks.

Enquiring · 18-02-2021 10:20am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I think the reason why the GAA weren't too pushed on starting this season has been revealed:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0216/1197433-gaa-suffers-34m-loss-despite-government-support/
There's no way they'd be able to sustain similar losses this year.

I think comments on restricting inter county panel numbers is a positive but they should also be looking at limiting back room staff as part of the attempt to cut spending on inter county preparations. There are a few counties spending far too much.

That's a positive to take out of on obviously negative overall report. At best, there will be limited numbers allowed to attend matches at any stage this year so there will be more losses obviously. I think it might be best just to look at running club and county competitions from July onwards and put it off before then.

Boom__Boom · 18-02-2021 1:29pm

Enquiring wrote: »

I think comments on restricting inter county panel numbers is a positive but they should also be looking at limiting back room staff as part of the attempt to cut spending on inter county preparations. There are a few counties spending far too much.

That's a positive to take out of on obviously negative overall report. At best, there will be limited numbers allowed to attend matches at any stage this year so there will be more losses obviously. I think it might be best just to look at running club and county competitions from July onwards and put it off before then.

Some article a few months back mentioned a limit of 32 players for county panels and 9 for management/backroom staff - this was in terms of who would be allowed/eligible for expenses under the centrally administered mileage/food expenses. The article seemed to suggest that counties would be allowed have more than this but would have to meet the cost for any additional players or staff themselves as opposed to from central GAA funds .

I remember thinking that there were probably a fair few counties [lower-tier hurling counties especially] where having expenses met for 32 players and 9 backroom staff would be an increase.

PTH2009 · 20-02-2021 7:08pm

Bit of a sad day

https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/315706

wirelessdude01 · 20-02-2021 7:16pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bit of a sad day

https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/315706

Passed by a few weeks ago and a lot of the adjoining units are also gone or in the process of being cleared.

Students of DCU, Pats and Marino will have less places to go now whenever life gets back to normal.

PTH2009 · 23-02-2021 8:07pm

Seems to be no mention of the GAA getting the Elite status back

So irritating that the GAA lifted the spirits last year and was a little thing to look forward too

wirelessdude01 · 23-02-2021 8:11pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Seems to be no mention of the GAA getting the Elite status back

So irritating that the GAA lifted the spirits last year and was a little thing to look forward too

No funding is available from government and no appetite from HQ to restart.

Lost Ormond · 23-02-2021 8:15pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Seems to be no mention of the GAA getting the Elite status back

So irritating that the GAA lifted the spirits last year and was a little thing to look forward too

Very unlikely it will get it back.
GAA in many ways was lucky to have the elite status when you looked at most of the other athletes who were regarded as elite - professional, mainly full time athletes who's sole work is the sport and are not going into all kinds of workplaces etc

Not much appetite from GAA HQ either considering games would be behind closed doors so waiting longer in hope you can get some crowds in is probably a good thing

dobman88 · 23-02-2021 8:42pm

Tbf, under the new plan, all sport should be cancelled in level 5. Includes 6 nations rugby, LOI soccer and horse racing even behind closed doors. They are only exempt in level 4. Inter county GAA is also exempt under level 4 so they're right in line with pro sports and we have zero room to complain imo.

It'll be interesting to see what goes ahead and when the new level 5 comes into effect.

wirelessdude01 · 23-02-2021 9:06pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Tbf, under the new plan, all sport should be cancelled in level 5. Includes 6 nations rugby, LOI soccer and horse racing even behind closed doors. They are only exempt in level 4. Inter county GAA is also exempt under level 4 so they're right in line with pro sports and we have zero room to complain imo.

It'll be interesting to see what goes ahead and when the new level 5 comes into effect.

Taoiseach said at the presser that elite sports will be occurring.

dobman88 · 23-02-2021 9:09pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Taoiseach said at the presser that elite sports will be occurring.

Yeah, I was just basing it on what was in the "living with covid" plan that Gav Reilly tweeted. See he followed up a few mins ago. Further evidence that they're still making it up as they go along.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1364298394152415233?s=19

dobman88 · 23-02-2021 9:13pm

Also, I want the GAA back as much as the next person but you can't class it as elite sport because of the obvious fact that you cant isolate players and create bubbles like pro sports can. Its unfortunate but not a lot we can do.

TCDStudent1 · 23-02-2021 10:09pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Also, I want the GAA back as much as the next person but you can't class it as elite sport because of the obvious fact that you cant isolate players and create bubbles like pro sports can. Its unfortunate but not a lot we can do.

I agree with you but I find it hard to see how LoI can be classed as an elite sport. Maybe I am wrong but I would have assumed that there are quite a number of LoI players that are semi-professional with other jobs?

PTH2009 · 23-02-2021 10:11pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Also, I want the GAA back as much as the next person but you can't class it as elite sport because of the obvious fact that you cant isolate players and create bubbles like pro sports can. Its unfortunate but not a lot we can do.

It wasn't a problem last Autumn/Winter

wirelessdude01 · 23-02-2021 10:13pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

It wasn't a problem last Autumn/Winter

If if hasn't quite made it onto your radar yet, things are a slight bit different now.

dobman88 · 23-02-2021 10:16pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

If if hasn't quite made it onto your radar yet, things are a slight bit different now.

Thanks for saving me the bother. You'd have to wonder about some people at this stage.

dobman88 · 23-02-2021 10:18pm

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I agree with you but I find it hard to see how LoI can be classed as an elite sport. Maybe I am wrong but I would have assumed that there are quite a number of LoI players that are semi-professional with other jobs?

Yeah, I agree. It's a shambles. Sure the lads making these decisions don't even know what they're at themselves.

wirelessdude01 · 23-02-2021 10:23pm

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I agree with you but I find it hard to see how LoI can be classed as an elite sport. Maybe I am wrong but I would have assumed that there are quite a number of LoI players that are semi-professional with other jobs?

Upper end of the premier division would mostly be professional. I'd be quite familiar with Dundalk and they are all professional.

Now the first division really can't be classified as professional in any sense.

blowitupref · 24-02-2021 1:06am

Club football back to level 3 restrictions. It will be the summer before such restrictions are in place. Inter County can go ahead in level 4 restrictions.

A possibility of?

NFL and NHL - May and June
Club county championships July, August, September

All Ireland football and hurling championships with some supporters at games in October, November, December.

PTH2009 · 24-02-2021 3:49am

blowitupref wrote: »

Club football back to level 3 restrictions. It will be the summer before such restrictions are in place. Inter County can go ahead in level 4 restrictions.

A possibility of?

NFL and NHL - May and June
Club county championships July, August, September

All Ireland football and hurling championships with some supporters at games in October, November, December.

I'd accept that but think all inter county will be first with it over by September with clubs from then on. Provincial and All Ireland clubs will make a return but will spill into 2022

Anyone's guess what will happen really

Loafing Oaf · 24-02-2021 3:03pm

blowitupref wrote: »

Club football back to level 3 restrictions. It will be the summer before such restrictions are in place. Inter County can go ahead in level 4 restrictions.

A possibility of?

NFL and NHL - May and June
Club county championships July, August, September

All Ireland football and hurling championships with some supporters at games in October, November, December.

Would this be generally seen as preferable to dropping the leagues altogether and playing the inter-counties in the first half of summer and the club championships in the second half? Not sure many people would fancy another winter AIC, even if some spectators can attend...

TCDStudent1 · 24-02-2021 3:07pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Would this be generally seen as preferable to dropping the leagues altogether and playing the inter-counties in the first half of summer and the club championships in the second half? Not sure many people would fancy another winter AIC, even if some spectators can attend...

I would think a winter championship is acceptable but only if crowds are back.

blowitupref · 24-02-2021 4:59pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'd accept that but think all inter county will be first with it over by September with clubs from then on. Provincial and All Ireland clubs will make a return but will spill into 2022

Anyone's guess what will happen really

That's another possibility but I doubt they'll leave club teams that long waiting for championship action.

On the inter County scene HQ are determined to get this B All-Ireland up and running and in order to do that they'll have to play some sort of league first, probably sticking with "Regional" NFL.

dobman88 · 24-02-2021 5:41pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'd accept that but think all inter county will be first with it over by September with clubs from then on. Provincial and All Ireland clubs will make a return but will spill into 2022

Anyone's guess what will happen really

I'm not sure it would be beneficial to let clubs go that late in the year when the evenings are getting darker and weather is getting worse. You'd have issues with unplayable pitches and floodlights which would mean trying to squeeze games into weekends which presents a problem with referee availability in some counties.

I'd also be in favour of forgetting about provincial and club all Ireland again this year. Just get county championship back at some stage.

PTH2009 · 28-02-2021 7:33pm

The Leagues should of been starting this weekend

Bloody virus

rrs · 04-03-2021 10:31am

Vaccine roll out still very slow https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0303/1200589-coronavirus-vaccine/

The Johnson /Johnson one shot vaccine would help if it gets approved in April

PTH2009 · 04-03-2021 4:22pm

rrs wrote: »

Vaccine roll out still very slow https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0303/1200589-coronavirus-vaccine/

The Johnson /Johnson one shot vaccine would help if it gets approved in April

Yeah hopefully

Would of thought the GAA have a fixture list done up incorporating a few start dates

PTH2009 · 07-03-2021 3:46pm

Is this one of the longest breaks Intercounty players have had ? I'm sure there doing individual training at home but I doubt it's nothing compared to collective training

Let's hope by this time next month the situation will be a lot clearer

rrs · 14-03-2021 10:33am

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0314/1203889-niac-recommends-suspension-of-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccin/

arctictree · 16-03-2021 3:51pm

Lads, I heard of a national school giving football sessions twice a week to 5th and 6th class kids. It's basically the local u12 GAA team. Is this allowed under current rules?

wirelessdude01 · 16-03-2021 3:58pm

arctictree wrote: »

Lads, I heard of a national school giving football sessions twice a week to 5th and 6th class kids. It's basically the local u12 GAA team. Is this allowed under current rules?

If they are in the one class and it's their teacher then not really an issue. It's essentially like P.E.

arctictree · 16-03-2021 4:05pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

If they are in the one class and it's their teacher then not really an issue. It's essentially like P.E.

Well that's the thing, it's not the one class and it's the u12 GAA coach taking the session!

wirelessdude01 · 16-03-2021 4:09pm

arctictree wrote: »

Well that's the thing, it's not the one class and it's the u12 GAA coach taking the session!

Well given that the latest guidelines for primary schools explicitly state that external coaches are allowed then it shouldn't be happening.

Also classes aren't meant to be mixing during school.

I wanted to do some skills at lunch with individual classes and my principal said no way.

dobman88 · 16-03-2021 4:32pm

arctictree wrote: »

Lads, I heard of a national school giving football sessions twice a week to 5th and 6th class kids. It's basically the local u12 GAA team. Is this allowed under current rules?

Leave them to it ffs. Its kids having a kick about. Mother of God what have we become when this has become post worthy wondering if its allowed.

arctictree · 16-03-2021 4:41pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Leave them to it ffs. Its kids having a kick about. Mother of God what have we become when this has become post worthy wondering if its allowed.

No, I was just wondering if this is allowed then maybe we should be setting up something similar in our local school for the kids.

arctictree · 16-03-2021 4:42pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Well given that the latest guidelines for primary schools explicitly state that external coaches are allowed then it shouldn't be happening.

Also classes aren't meant to be mixing during school.

I wanted to do some skills at lunch with individual classes and my principal said no way.

I think the coach might also be a teacher in the school...

wirelessdude01 · 16-03-2021 4:48pm

arctictree wrote: »

I think the coach might also be a teacher in the school...

Mixing schools of.classes shouldn't be happening. The school and teacher should be well aware of them.

dobman88 · 16-03-2021 4:50pm

arctictree wrote: »

No, I was just wondering if this is allowed then maybe we should be setting up something similar in our local school for the kids.

Set it up, it will do them the world of good. All the local kids have been out playing on the green here throughout lockdown anyway. I dont have kids but I'd say its next to impossible to tell them they're not allowed play with their friends. And it's been great to see them out and enjoying themselves in current bleak times.

wirelessdude01 · 16-03-2021 4:54pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Set it up, it will do them the world of good. All the local kids have been out playing on the green here throughout lockdown anyway. I dont have kids but I'd say its next to impossible to tell them they're not allowed play with their friends. And it's been great to see them out and enjoying themselves in current bleak times.

Any decent school will tell them to go away until public health/DES guidelines allow it. Anyway we had enough bad publicity around the many county final shenanigans without being seen to flout guidelines in conjunction with schools.

PTH2009 · 16-03-2021 5:39pm

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0316/1204378-sports-training-to-resume-in-the-north-from-12-april/

Let's hope this is the start and we can have some sort of league in May

dobman88 · 16-03-2021 8:51pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Any decent school will tell them to go away until public health/DES guidelines allow it. Anyway we had enough bad publicity around the many county final shenanigans without being seen to flout guidelines in conjunction with schools.

Maybe so. But in every school up and down the country kids are running out the school gate and straight to playing together anyway. May as well have some structure to it while they're doing it.

Kids having a kick about is pretty low risk so leave them to it.

Croke Park shut everything down but open up the stadium for a band to appear on TV in America :rolleyes: it's very hard to take them seriously when they do things like that.

wirelessdude01 · 16-03-2021 9:14pm

Nothing to do with the GAA. What Zi have mentioned are guidelines issued by The DES. We may think they are a load of cobblers but any school flouting them I'd leaving themselves wide open.

C.O.Y.B.I.B · 16-03-2021 11:42pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Nothing to do with the GAA. What Zi have mentioned are guidelines issued by The DES. We may think they are a load of cobblers but any school flouting them I'd leaving themselves wide open.

This would be my worry . I manage u13 and was looking to do some running with them and was told I could be held personally responsible if someone were to contract or claim to have contracted Covid or worse made someone else sick.
While I would be concerned from a virus perspective , once I get the OK that I am insured I'll be straight back to it .
Just not worth leaving yourself exposed .

For what it's worth , I do think they should be allowed back to non contact training once they are back in school . As a previous poster said some are out playing on the green anyway.

wirelessdude01 · 17-03-2021 12:12am

C.O.Y.B.I.B wrote: »

This would be my worry . I manage u13 and was looking to do some running with them and was told I could be held personally responsible if someone were to contract or claim to have contracted Covid or worse made someone else sick.
While I would be concerned from a virus perspective , once I get the OK that I am insured I'll be straight back to it .
Just not worth leaving yourself exposed .

For what it's worth , I do think they should be allowed back to non contact training once they are back in school . As a previous poster said some are out playing on the green anyway.

We have our lads doing running 2/3 times a week and online S&C once a week. We've all out plans ready to roll once we have the nod to commence. Not worth anything before then.

C.O.Y.B.I.B · 17-03-2021 12:23am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

We have our lads doing running 2/3 times a week and online S&C once a week. We've all out plans ready to roll once we have the nod to commence. Not worth anything before then.

I've advised mine that running and skills would be useful to keep up during lockdown , however I can't be seen to supervise or call it training and that's the advise issued by my club.

I'm hopeful for 5th April .

wirelessdude01 · 17-03-2021 1:11am

C.O.Y.B.I.B wrote: »

I've advised mine that running and skills would be useful to keep up during lockdown , however I can't be seen to supervise or call it training and that's the advise issued by my club.

I'm hopeful for 5th April .

Ours is all remote. We set what we wanted achieved that week and they fit it in around d their lives, their school work. The only non-negotiable is the S&C work. That happens at a certain time every week.

paul0103 · 17-03-2021 11:20am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

We have our lads doing running 2/3 times a week and online S&C once a week. We've all out plans ready to roll once we have the nod to commence. Not worth anything before then.

Running and S&C ðŸ™„...
I think anyone doing running sessions with kids under 18 needs to have a think about things. They've another 30 years of that eejitry ahead of them, let them be kids.

wirelessdude01 · 17-03-2021 1:06pm

paul0103 wrote: »

Running and S&C ðŸ™„...
I think anyone doing running sessions with kids under 18 needs to have a think about things. They've another 30 years of that eejitry ahead of them, let them be kids.

Asking them to run 5km 3 times a week isn't any sort of "eejitry". All being overaeen by a county S&C guy who is a member of our club. Bodyweight stuff for S&C and then the 5km is broken up into specific things that they are asked to do. Some sessions are less than 2km. It isn't just being told to go out and run 5km. We have 8 guys involved with county anyway so they all have their sessions to do anyway. Other lads see what they are doing anyway and wanted to do similar. Who are we to tell them to sit their arses on the couch because someone on boards considers it "eejitry".

PTH2009 · 20-03-2021 7:04pm

Will intercounty GAA get the green light for an April return ?

CrabRevolution · 20-03-2021 7:06pm

I'd expect inter county to get the go ahead. Covid numbers are low enough to allow it, but not nearly low enough for club activity.

Championship and Covid

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