Dublin Airport incident Thursday Morning!

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-09-2018 1:40pm

Airports should have a slightly hungry and hard of hearing 52kph/32mph Doberman pinscher on standy for such events.

Hotblack Desiato · 27-09-2018 1:44pm

Presumaby Ryanair will ban him though? (and any other Irish airline if they have sense)

27-09-2018 2:25pm

Berserker wrote: »

Nope, his break in Amsterdam is cancelled. SVP will probably give him the funds to cover his loses. Knock would also be an option for him.

Ah I cant see him swapping Amsterdam for Knock, I doubt he's the religious type :pac:

NasserShammaz · 27-09-2018 2:29pm

Maybe the feud between the gangs is having an effect could they be down to the dregs already, I hope the advice wasn't 'keep cool, don't draw attention to yourself and you'll be grand'

dzilla · 27-09-2018 3:48pm

So he will miss the Mensa convention in Holland?

Rowley Birkin QC · 27-09-2018 5:15pm

Berserker wrote: »

Yeah, this guy reminds me of a lad I had beside me on a first to LGW a few weeks back. Complained to the flight attendant because she asked him to move into his allocated seat and he order wine ..... at 7am in the morning.

I sat beside a lad on the flight to LCY last Sunday night who was absolutely hammered and whose phone background was a very visible swastika. Also had swastikas tattooed on his hands. Lovely.

gctest50 · 27-09-2018 5:19pm

Wrex wrote: »

A complete idiot was late for his Ryanair flight to Amsterdam, and managed to make it outside on the the taxi way, and ran to the plane!.............

So, in Dublin Airport A complete idiot can get past everyone and on to a taxiway ? Lucky he wasn't a terrorist

dzilla wrote: »

So he will miss the Mensa convention in Holland?

Still, he managed to get out on the runway

not as much effort put in as this one though :

john boye · 27-09-2018 6:09pm

Just saw what this clown got up to outside court on the news. Good grief, talk about doubling down on your stupidity.

NasserShammaz · 27-09-2018 7:14pm

john boye wrote: »

Just saw what this clown got up to outside court on the news. Good grief, talk about doubling down on your stupidity.

Anne frank House and Van Gogh tickets gone to waste thats the real crime here.

L1011 · 27-09-2018 7:18pm

gctest50 wrote: »

So, in Dublin Airport A complete idiot can get past everyone and on to a taxiway ? Lucky he wasn't a terrorist

He went out a fire exit. Which must be openable by punters lest there be a severe fire. He had passed security, so there would have had to be a lapse there for him to be carrying anything more threatening than is purchasable in duty free; a broken bottle or a 'flamethrower' of a can of Lynx and a lighter maybe.

A severe fire has actually happened - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsseldorf_Airport_fire . Aer Rianta later bought half of that airport as it happens.

richiepurgas · 27-09-2018 7:19pm

He'll probably have extra charges put before him later, but one thing is certain, he'll never scratch a lottery card on Ryanair again !

Stephen Strange · 27-09-2018 7:21pm

L1011 wrote: »

He went out a fire exit. Which must be openable by punters lest there be a severe fire. He had passed security, so there would have had to be a lapse there for him to be carrying anything more threatening than is purchasable in duty free; a broken bottle or a 'flamethrower' of a can of Lynx and a lighter maybe.

A severe fire has actually happened - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsseldorf_Airport_fire . Aer Rianta later bought half of that airport as it happens.

Well he didn't get out a fire exit, that's why he's been charged with criminally damaging the boarding gate door (or more specifically it's magnetic lock).

L1011 · 27-09-2018 7:27pm

Stephen Strange wrote: »

Well he didn't get out a fire exit, that's why he's been charged with criminally damaging the boarding gate door (or more specifically it's magnetic lock).

"damaging" by hitting the break glass unit from what it appears; which is there for fire exit purposes.

The replacement glass is about 9c in bulk!

If he did actually force the maglock by ramming the door, this doesn't really cause much damage either and is again inherent in having maglocked doors. If there's low voltage for any reason a very solid kick as close to the lock as possible can open it without damaging anything.

Stephen Strange · 27-09-2018 7:49pm

L1011 wrote: »

"damaging" by hitting the break glass unit from what it appears; which is there for fire exit purposes.

The replacement glass is about 9c in bulk!

If he did actually force the maglock by ramming the door, this doesn't really cause much damage either and is again inherent in having maglocked doors. If there's low voltage for any reason a very solid kick as close to the lock as possible can open it without damaging anything.

It was the latter

rushfan · 27-09-2018 7:53pm

L1011 wrote:

He went out a fire exit. Which must be openable by punters lest there be a severe fire. He had passed security, so there would have had to be a lapse there for him to be carrying anything more threatening than is purchasable in duty free; a broken bottle or a 'flamethrower' of a can of Lynx and a lighter maybe.

Was he actually carrying anything that he allegedly used to get through the door? Do you believe there was actually a lapse in security? Did you witness the entire incident?

L1011 · 27-09-2018 7:57pm

rushfan wrote: »

Was he actually carrying anything that he allegedly used to get through the door? Do you believe there was actually a lapse in security? Did you witness the entire incident?

Someone managing to open a maglocked door is not a lapse in security as such; and can, and does, happen elsewhere with quite some frequency. People seem to think they're properly secure when they simply aren't.

Most Vanderbilt/ACT units can be disabled entirely with a snake-eyes and a flathead screwdriver in seconds as the maglock opens on loss of power through the keypad or reader. Being Irish, ACT units are close to the only type I've ever seen installed here.

95% of airport security is security theatre, that has to be remembered.

rushfan · 27-09-2018 7:59pm

L1011 wrote:

Someone managing to open a maglocked door is not a lapse in security as such; and can, and does, happen elsewhere with quite some frequency. People seem to think they're properly secure when they simply aren't.

And what about my first & last questions?

L1011 · 27-09-2018 8:01pm

rushfan wrote: »

And what about my first & last questions?

I don't know, and no.

Its not relevant - the questions of "what if it had been a terrorist!?!" are hysteria and nothing more irrespective of how the door is opened. The simple fact is there are user-operable fire exits to the apron in every airport terminal in the world. These are from the airside online, after the standard security which is deemed to be OK to let you walk across the apron to an aircraft.

The chances of someone doing a runner when on the apron legitimately, walking to an airstairs, is far higher than them using an exit and just as potentially risky.

rushfan · 27-09-2018 8:20pm

L1011 wrote:

He went out a fire exit. Which must be openable by punters lest there be a severe fire. He had passed security, so there would have had to be a lapse there for him to be carrying anything more threatening than is purchasable in duty free; a broken bottle or a 'flamethrower' of a can of Lynx and a lighter maybe.

So if it's not relevant why mention a possible lapse in security in this instance?

L1011 · 27-09-2018 8:25pm

rushfan wrote: »

So if it's not relevant why mention a possible lapse in security in this instance?

Because someone else implied there was one and did the hysterical 'terrorist' angle.

NasserShammaz · 27-09-2018 8:26pm

Having just seen the pics in the Sindo can we just put him down

Nijmegen · 27-09-2018 9:08pm

L1011 wrote: »

Because someone else implied there was one and did the hysterical 'terrorist' angle.

Re the terrorist angle, it is worth pointing out that he was apprehended pretty sharply; and by the ground crew too. And for those who think that unless you've got an armed SWAT team on every corner if you're ever to stop a terrorist, I remind you of the Glasgow terrorist attack and its run in with the local baggage handlers (I believe one of the injuries sustained in that attack was a broken leg after repeatedly kicking the s***e out of one of the terrorists).

As you say, most airport security is theater. And in this case, when the bloke breached the locked door he was on the ground not very far from the terminal building. And even had he got out and free, having come through airport security he wasn't in possession of anything to pose much of a threat.

Kudos to the ground staff.

rushfan · 27-09-2018 9:34pm

I have reread all posts up to this one. Who exactly "implied " about a lapse in security? What post no? The first post that I can see mentioning same is no 61, yours!!

FixitFelix · 27-09-2018 9:39pm

rushfan wrote: »

I have reread all posts up to this one. Who exactly "implied " about a lapse in security? What post no? The first post that I can see mentioning same is no 61, yours!!

Post #58

On another note, he doesn't work and needs free legal aid but can afford to go to Amsterdam, must do some cash in hand work;)

rushfan · 27-09-2018 9:46pm

FixitFelix wrote:

Post #58

Doesn't actually say "lapse in security "

TheRiverman · 27-09-2018 10:06pm

A 100% thug.

L1011 · 27-09-2018 10:21pm

rushfan wrote: »

Doesn't actually say "lapse in security "

Cut out the pedantry. And improve your reading comprehension, as the word lapse was used to refer to what would have had to happen at the security gates for anyone to be carrying anything of danger; not to do with the doors.

rushfan · 27-09-2018 10:38pm

L1011 wrote:

Cut out the pedantry. And improve your reading comprehension, as the word lapse was used to refer to what would have had to happen at the security gates for anyone to be carrying anything of danger; not to do with the doors.

Nothing to do with pedantry & believe me there's nothing wrong with my ability to comprehend what I read. Again, YOU were the first to use the phrase "lapse in security ", no one else. I've come across many of your posts over time & have no issue with them. But this was wrong and frankly I'd be expecting more from a moderator.

L1011 · 27-09-2018 10:39pm

rushfan wrote: »

Nothing to do with pedantry & believe me there's nothing wrong with my ability to comprehend what I read. Again, YOU were the first to use the phrase "lapse in security ", no one else. I've come across many of your posts over time & have no issue with them. But this was wrong and frankly I'd be expecting more from a moderator.

And at no time did I suggest there was a lapse in security. There wasn't at any stage. We had the hysterical post that needed countering

Why are you arguing here? You're contributing nothing of use. Either you're arguing for the sake of it or you are still having problems actually comprehending what was written

rushfan · 27-09-2018 10:50pm

Your words, not mine. Seriously, should you not withdraw the remark?

rushfan · 27-09-2018 10:51pm

L1011 wrote:

Because someone else implied there was one and did the hysterical 'terrorist' angle.

Your words again.

L1011 · 27-09-2018 10:52pm

rushfan wrote: »

Your words, not mine. Seriously, should you not withdraw the remark?

No, because you have grossly misunderstood it and are still digging. There is nothing to withdraw other than your personal miscomprehension.

Either re-read and understand or stop posting about it. This is a mod instruction

Ash.J.Williams · 27-09-2018 10:56pm

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Having just seen the pics in the Sindo can we just put him down

sunday independent?

Spanish Eyes · 27-09-2018 10:59pm

OK for those who know the set up, I am curious as to how he got as far as the doors onto the tarmac/apron..

Surely if the flight is closed you do not get beyond the ticket scan/passport check. Flight closed go home bye.

Can anyone clarify how he got to the outside door if he had missed his flight?

Maybe he just ran through and down the stairs. Mad altogether. But thankfully no harm done to none but himself and the door!

andy_g · 27-09-2018 11:10pm

Simple answer this is how he got through the door

Spanish Eyes · 27-09-2018 11:17pm

andy_g wrote: »

Simple answer this is how he got through the door

Yep, but how did he get through the boarding gate upstairs if flight was closed?

That’s probably where the weakest link is really, assuming the door release pic you kindly posted is downstairs access to the apron!

I just wondered how he got downstairs tbh.

WhiteMan32 · 27-09-2018 11:22pm

Wrex wrote: »

How he thought this action would allow him to board is beyond me!

When he booked the flight, he most probably added on priority boarding

billie1b · 27-09-2018 11:32pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Yep, but how did he get through the boarding gate upstairs if flight was closed?

That’s probably where the weakest link is really, assuming the door release pic you kindly posted is downstairs access to the apron!

I just wondered how he got downstairs tbh.

There’s an emergency door release on the doors upstairs and downstairs but he didn’t push the emergency release button, he kicked the door hard enough for it to lose it’s magnetic hold, then ran down the stairs and forced the bottom one open too.

Ash.J.Williams · 27-09-2018 11:40pm

No need for Amsterdam to thank us, it's all in a days work. Extreme vetting!

gctest50 · 27-09-2018 11:56pm

billie1b wrote: »

There’s an emergency door release on the doors upstairs and downstairs but he didn’t push the emergency release button, he kicked the door hard enough for it to lose it’s magnetic hold, then ran down the stairs and forced the bottom one open too.

billie1b wrote: »

...............

but he didn’t push the emergency release button..........

So, this important door is not fit for purpose then ?

billie1b · 28-09-2018 12:03am

gctest50 wrote: »

So, this important door is not fit for purpose then ?

A good enough kick or shoulder to the door and it’ll disengage and alarms go off, thats why Airport Police were that quick to respond to it but to answer your question, yeah they’re pretty flimsy, pretty piss poor design, the doors open out towards the stairs when in reality they should open inward toward the gate making it impossible to kick or shoulder it open.

Irish Steve · 28-09-2018 12:26am

billie1b wrote: »

A good enough kick or shoulder to the door and it’ll disengage and alarms go off, thats why Airport Police were that quick to respond to it but to answer your question, yeah they’re pretty flimsy, pretty piss poor design, the doors open out towards the stairs when in reality they should open inward toward the gate making it impossible to kick or shoulder it open.

Nice theory, but the reality is that because of things like fire regulations, the doors have to open away from the area that is occupied, (or most heavily occupied) so that in the event of a large number being restained by the doors, they can still be opened/released, if they opened inwards, with a large crowd, that would be impossible, and could lead to fatalities in an emergency situation.

Having said that, the doors are not designed to be capable of stopping every attempt to open them, they are designed to act as a control system to prevent casual access, and that is exactly what they do, and if someone makes a determined attempt to get through them, the relevant people will be alerted by the alarms, and can respond accordingly.

plodder · 28-09-2018 9:29am

gctest50 wrote: »

That incident was a lot worse because the perpetrator stole a vehicle in the city and just drove it through the security fence. It was a miracle nobody was hurt and serious damage wasn't done to aircraft or airport equipment.

GBX · 28-09-2018 10:12am

Not sure if its been posted in this thread already - Audio between ATC and the Ryanair flight - from 1.40 onwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHcSrAa51jY

Irish Steve · 28-09-2018 8:21pm

I've just removed a number of posts that were potentially actionable, or similar, and inappropriate to this forum. This is NOT After Hours, and there is a legal case pending in relation to the actions of the accused. On that basis, any further comments about the accused that could be deemed actionable, or similar off topic trolling will incur sanctions

Jacovs · 28-09-2018 8:30pm

For those who think "what if this was a terrorist or someone with bad intentions?"; this person already cleared security which means he had a boarding pass for the flight. If he wanted to do anything all he had to do was board with the rest of the passengers and stroll up to the aircraft like thousands others do everyday.
Not wait till the flight is closed and then draw attention to himself and get stopped before he gets to the aircraft.

This was just an eejit being an eejit.

coylemj · 28-09-2018 9:33pm

Jacovs wrote: »

For those who think "what if this was a terrorist or someone with bad intentions?"; this person already cleared security which means he had a boarding pass for the flight. If he wanted to do anything all he had to do was board with the rest of the passengers and stroll up to the aircraft like thousands others do everyday.

+1 And talk of having armed police to deal with people like this is totally OTT. I don't want to be sitting on a fully-fuelled plane while below me on the apron, armed cops are taking potshots at someone. The most offensive weapon you can take through security is a penknife with a blade no longer than 6 cms, you don't respond to that with live ammunition.

Dublin Airport incident Thursday Morning!

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