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African gang beat the sh*t out of two gardai with a baseball bat.

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  • #502
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    biko wrote: »
    The country of their parents, who also will be deported.
    You only have deport a few families for the rest of the criminals to get the message.
    Getting beyond the point that you're calling for people to be punished for being related to criminals, what would your next move be when those countries tell us to f*** off, as these people (the criminal, not the parents) were not born there, do not live there, and may have never even visited there?

    And what would you do with regards to funding the 100,000+ criminals sent here from the US, UK, and just about every corner of the world due to their Irish heritage?

    EDIT: Actually having seen your edited line at the end, it's probably safe to assume you're taking the piss.


  • #503
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    A Pint of Goo wrote: »
    Black people who behave like scum are scum. But oh no we must never mention skin colour, we're supposed to be colourblind (even though that concept is racist itself or so I'm told).

    Sorry Stalin you can't use your magical superword to silence people.

    How is their skin colour relevant?
    biko wrote: »
    The country of their parents, who also will be deported.
    You only have deport a few families for the rest of the criminals to get the message.

    If a country cannot be determined because of "no documentation" then deport to Central African Republic and let them find their home from there themselves.

    I think you'd fit in well in North Korea.
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Identifying a bunch of criminals as a "black gang" isn't racist if it's factual. Context and intent is everything... something conveniently ignored by those who rush to be offended.

    Their skin colour is irrelevant. But the phrase used wasn't "black gangs" it was "the blacks".


  • #504
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    wexie wrote: »
    If it was really as easy as deciding to stop paying don't you think that that would have been the perfect time to do so?

    So why do you think that didn't happen?

    Could it be Billy is on to something and that the consequences would have been so bad it was worth to continue the foreign aid?


    It didn't happen because our government is just too PC.


  • #505
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Billy86 wrote: »
    See, this is what I said about it not being so simple and you not appearing to have thought it through. You don't get to just stop contributing to these bodies while continuing to be a member because you don't want to spend anything.

    To do so, we will need to leave some of these bodies. And when we do that, what would your plan for not entirely tanking the economy back to a state where we need lots of foreign aid be?


    Great, so when our prison population goes from around 4,000 to over 100,000 how do you suggest we fund this?


    You sound like one of these anti brexit people who claim the sky would fall in if people voted for brexit.

    Put me in charge of the government and I would cut foreign aid overnight and I guarantee you it would be popular with the public.


  • #506
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    It didn't happen because our government is just too PC.

    right...you keep telling yourself that


  • #507
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Put me in charge of the government and I would cut foreign aid overnight and I guarantee you it would be popular with the public.

    Would indeed, right up to the point where people starting seeing the consequences of becoming international pariahs over night.


  • #508
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    wexie wrote: »
    right...you keep telling yourself that


    Also don't forget there is a lot of corruption tied up in foreign aid our government are probably getting kick backs from it.


  • #509
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    wexie wrote: »
    Would indeed, right up to the point where people starting seeing the consequences of becoming international pariahs over night.


    Pariah in the eyes of who ? The US is cutting their aid budget and nobody is complaining.


  • #510
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Supposin' we did decide to deport people back to thier country of origin and as the plane comes in to land , the air traffic controller says " feck of Paddy , you're not landing here with that shower " , what should we do ?


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  • #511
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Also don't forget there is a lot of corruption tied up in foreign aid our government are probably getting kick backs from it.

    Our president probably is too


  • #512
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Also don't forget there is a lot of corruption tied up in foreign aid our government are probably getting kick backs from it.

    lol you sound like a reliable and thoughtful source alright.

    you want to back that statement up with anything, anything at all?


  • #513
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Deleted User wrote: »
    lol you sound like a reliable and thoughtful source alright.

    you want to back that statement up with anything, anything at all?

    I don't think it's really the done thing in this thread.


  • #514
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Our president probably is too

    I saw him the other day at the Western Union office, he was acting pretty shifty indeed :D


  • #515
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    lol you sound like a reliable and thoughtful source alright.

    you want to back that statement up with anything, anything at all?

    Here's just one example.

    Which in my opinion is just the tip of the ice berg.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-aid-uganda-fraud-e4-million-649727-Oct2012/


  • #516
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    It's clear the current policies doesn't work.
    How about you step aside and let the grownups clean up this mess?


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  • #517
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Here's just one example.

    Which in my opinion is the tip of the ice berg.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-aid-uganda-fraud-e4-million-649727-Oct2012/

    Doesn't say a single thing about gubberment kickbacks though does it Doc?


  • #518
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Also don't forget there is a lot of corruption tied up in foreign aid our government are probably getting kick backs from it.

    Mr Varadkar if you could just forward your bank details. And the small deposit by
    western union....


  • #519
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    biko wrote: »
    It's clear the current policies doesn't work.

    Wouldn't even disagree with you on this one too much
    biko wrote: »
    How about you step aside and let the grownups clean up this mess?

    But I think we'd probably disagree on who the grownups are


  • #520
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Well, it is rare that the people that got us into this mess will be suited to get us out of it.


  • #521
    TheManTheMyth
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭TheManTheMyth


    Why is it beneficial for white people to accept diversity?

    It's a fair question, honestly asked. Is there any reason besides "charity"?


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  • #522
    Its all alt right
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭Its all alt right


    TheManTheMyth wrote: »
    Why is it beneficial for white people to accept diversity?

    It's a fair question, honestly asked. Is there any reason besides "charity"?

    New foods and recipies and a bigger gene pool.


  • #523
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheManTheMyth wrote: »
    Why is it beneficial for white people to accept diversity?

    It's a fair question, honestly asked. Is there any reason besides "charity"?

    are white people not diverse?
    do you think all white people in the world are the same?
    are all black people in the world the same?
    crazy
    why do you think white people just accept other people out of charity? is everyone who is not white, lesser people than white people?


  • #524
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    TheManTheMyth wrote: »
    Why is it beneficial for white people to accept diversity?

    It's a fair question, honestly asked. Is there any reason besides "charity"?

    "Feelz" and letting all the other kids in your social media circle know how progressive you are. For a certain type of middle-class lapsed Catholic who thinks they are atheist, a replacement religion, complete with the comforting burden of guilt.

    Oh, and for certain large corporations and entities (healthcare, social welfare provision, social service providers, accommodation, etc.) and those on their payroll, lots of new customers.


  • #525
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    TheManTheMyth wrote: »
    Why is it beneficial for white people to accept diversity?

    It's a fair question, honestly asked. Is there any reason besides "charity"?

    Acid attacks, terror attacks, knife crime epidemic, honor killings, rape gangs, moped armed robbers, cruelty to animals, are just some of the "benefits" we get from "diversity"


  • #526
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yep, because there are no criminals that are irish born.........


  • #527
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Its all alt right wrote: »
    New foods and recipies and a bigger gene pool.


    What is wrong with the Irish gene pool ?

    Also in the age of internet anyone can find any recipes they want online.

    We don't need non nationals for that.


  • #528
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    bubblypop wrote: »
    yep, because there are no criminals that are irish born.........


    Nobody has ever said that.

    The point is that we shouldn't have to deal with Immigrant criminals.


  • #529
    A Pint of Goo
    Site Banned Posts: 218 ✭✭A Pint of Goo


    TheManTheMyth wrote: »
    Why is it beneficial for white people to accept diversity?

    It's a fair question, honestly asked. Is there any reason besides "charity"?

    White savior complex from the left. Only we can 'save' the third world people, they being incapable of solving their problems themselves. Ironically it's a racist attitude the modern left has.


  • #530
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Nobody has ever said that.

    The point is that we shouldn't have to deal with Immigrant criminals.

    Nor should we have to find houses for them (or any other criminal for that matter). Might free up a few houses for genuinely homeless persons.


  • #531
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Here's just one example.

    Which in my opinion is just the tip of the ice berg.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-aid-uganda-fraud-e4-million-649727-Oct2012/

    that tip of the iceberg is a six year old example of not what you said

    weak, weak stuff


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  • #532
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    that tip of the iceberg is a six year old example of not what you said

    weak, weak stuff

    Don't you find it strange that when foreign aid was cut by 30% during the crash there was hardly a peep out of anyone.

    If the money was really being used to save peoples lives then you think there would be uproar when they cut it.

    There is no other government budget you could cut by 30% and there is little or no talk about it in the media. Not even from the ultra liberal Irish Times.

    If you ask me foreign aid is nothing but a scam to enrich NGOs and politicians.


  • #533
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,675 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Their skin colour is irrelevant. But the phrase used wasn't "black gangs" it was "the blacks".

    That's right I did use that phrase and I'd use it again, I wonder do you get as upset when black people say "the whites".

    Doubt it.


  • #534
    joe swanson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    I do not think or believe that the solution is to deport all foreigners or stop immigration. It would never work.

    However we do have a few issues that need to be addressed before it becomes a big problem.
    Young black people(and specifically African) are forming groups/cliques/gangs which is not healthy for themselves or the rest of the population.

    Due to my work I'm aware of issues within our schools and colleges where large groups of black young people are ghettoising certain places or areas within these places IE filling certain rooms, corridors in such numbers that it is intimidating others from accessing these locations or just avoiding them altogether. It's low level stuff but again due to my work it's easy to see and it does cause problems. It also appears to be oddly specific to young black Africans . I mean it's something Arabs or Asians just don't do.

    I know from experience it is intimidating for others and in "some" cases these groups can be abusive and violent. It is something that needs to be addressed . I don't know how to be honest . I don't believe kicking them out is the answer but the situation needs addressing without the racism card been thrown around and accusations of being a bigot just for acknowledging it.


  • #535
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    That's right I did use that phrase and I'd use it again, I wonder do you get as upset when black people say "the whites".

    Doubt it.

    If they used it in the same context as you did I'd consider that racist also.


  • #536
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    What is wrong with the Irish gene pool ?

    Seems to me it could do with a little chlorine to be honest


  • #537
    gw80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭gw80


    wexie wrote: »
    Seems to me it could do with a little chlorine to be honest

    Well, if its not to your liking you can always jump on a plane and head for the multicultural utopia that is the US OF A,
    No racial tentions over there at all, all integrating beautifully, you,d love it.


  • #538
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,675 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    If they used it in the same context as you did I'd consider that racist also.

    Typical leftie calling me a racist when I call it like I see it.


  • #539
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    wexie wrote: »
    Seems to me it could do with a little chlorine to be honest


    Would you say that about any other race of people or just the Irish ?


  • #540
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Would you say that about any other race of people or just the Irish ?

    Assholes and racists everywhere sadly.

    So yes I'd probably say that about most races, religions, creeds, countries.

    Nothing if not consistent I am


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  • #541
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    joe swanson wrote: »
    I do not think or believe that the solution is to deport all foreigners or stop immigration. It would never work.

    However we do have a few issues that need to be addressed before it becomes a big problem.
    Young black people(and specifically African) are forming groups/cliques/gangs which is not healthy for themselves or the rest of the population.

    Due to my work I'm aware of issues within our schools and colleges where large groups of black young people are ghettoising certain places or areas within these places IE filling certain rooms, corridors in such numbers that it is intimidating others from accessing these locations or just avoiding them altogether. It's low level stuff but again due to my work it's easy to see and it does cause problems. It also appears to be oddly specific to young black Africans . I mean it's something Arabs or Asians just don't do.

    I know from experience it is intimidating for others and in "some" cases these groups can be abusive and violent. It is something that needs to be addressed . I don't know how to be honest . I don't believe kicking them out is the answer but the situation needs addressing without the racism card been thrown around and accusations of being a bigot just for acknowledging it.


    I think deportations have to form part of the solution if we want to stop Dublin ending up like London.


  • #542
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,610 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    wexie wrote: »
    Seems to me it could do with a little chlorine to be honest

    Oikophobia originally described an irrational fear of the home, most specifically appliances found in the home. It's usage has broadened since then to describe an irrational fear or hatred of ones own country and countrymen. I'm not sure its perfect, but it does adequately describe a certain tendency.


  • #543
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    I think deportations have to form part of the solution if we want to stop Dublin ending up like London.

    What's wrong with London?


  • #544
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What's wrong with London?

    Gangs have taken hold....


  • #545
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    What's wrong with London he asks... ffs.

    Nothing at all... All the problems are part and parcel of living in a big city.



    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-43640475


  • #546
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What's wrong with London?
    He's probably just got something against the fact that London's murder rate is a lot lower than Dublin's.


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  • #547
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What's wrong with London?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/thugs-hurled-acid-at-screaming-victims-in-dalston-a3832701.html

    Part and Parcel.


  • #548
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    thebull85 wrote: »
    What's wrong with London he asks... ffs.

    Nothing at all... All the problems are part and parcel of living in a big city.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-43640475
    If London's 2018 murder rate continues at it's current pace, it is set to still be less than half of what Dublin's was in 2017.

    So is it safe to assume you think Dublin should try to be more like London in that case, in order to get our murder rate down to be closer to theirs?


  • #549
    A Pint of Goo
    Site Banned Posts: 218 ✭✭A Pint of Goo


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What's wrong with London?

    Some of the highest rates of acid attacks in the world.

    Part and Parcel?


  • #550
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    Billy86 wrote: »
    If London's 2018 murder rate continues at it's current pace, it is set to still be less than half of what Dublin's was in 2017.

    So is it safe to assume you think Dublin should try to be more like London in that case, in order to get our murder rate down to be closer to theirs?

    Dublin should be more like London ? LOL

    You'd love that wouldnt you?


  • #551
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    thebull85 wrote: »
    Dublin should be more like London ? LOL

    You'd love that wouldnt you?
    Funny that, I thought you were saying London's murder rate is a big problem? In fact the criteria you used was their murder rate when someone asked what was wrong with London and why Dublin should not be more like them.

    Except Dublin's murder rate last year was more than double what London's is on pace for this year. So why is it that you want Dublin to have a higher than Dublin? Or is it that you meant something entirely different to the murder rate when you pointed to the murder rate a few posts up?


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