student goes on driving rampage around Dublin city centre.

Beechwoodspark · 25-04-2018 1:48pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Quite right. At the time, nobody had mentioned his religion. They'd just implied it heavily from literally the OP, and everyone then danced around nudging each other and winking theatrically, waiting for one of the leftists to say something so they could all act indignant.

A RACIST? MOI? YOU WOUND ME, SIR.

I implied nothing. I just quoted the article.

AtomicHorror · 25-04-2018 1:51pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I implied nothing. I just quoted the article.

Grand so, the Irish times implied it and you communicated their implication, indicating you yourself considered it a relevant part of the story. Wink wink.

gozunda · 25-04-2018 1:59pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Quite right. At the time, nobody had mentioned his religion. They'd just implied it heavily from literally the OP, and everyone then danced around nudging each other and winking theatrically, waiting for one of the leftists to say something so they could all act indignant.

A RACIST? MOI? YOU WOUND ME, SIR.

Beechwoodspark · 25-04-2018 2:06pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Grand so, the Irish times implied it and you communicated their implication, indicating you yourself considered it a relevant part of the story. Wink wink.

Take it up with the the Irish times so.

AtomicHorror · 25-04-2018 2:11pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Take it up with the the Irish times so.

I'll write them a letter.

You personally feel the matter of his heritage is irrelevant then?

Red_Wake · 25-04-2018 2:12pm

Grayson wrote: »

Red_Wake wrote: »

Any source for this?

A quick google throws this up on the first page.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/dubliners-spend-55-of-take-home-pay-on-rent-1.3267093

That's the average dubliner and it's 55% for them. I'm in work and can't spend too much time looking but it's higher for younger people because they have less wages.

I honestly don't even know how a student is meant to pay rent. The grant would be hard pressed to cover it.

"As much as 55%", is not 60%. It means that, at the absolute max, the rent for a particular apartment is 55% of the average take home pay for a Dub. It doesn't mean that the average Dub is paying 55% of their take home pay on rent.

I'd also not that, going by that article, they're taking the total rent for an apartment and calculating that as a percentage of take home pay, and not attempting to take into account multi occupancy apartments where the rent is shared amongst multiple people.

Summary: Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Beechwoodspark · 25-04-2018 2:18pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I'll write them a letter.

You personally feel the matter of his heritage is irrelevant then?

Neither you nor I know if it is relevant or not.

That remains to be seen. I’ll let the guards to do their investigation and won’t be pre empting anything.

Nettle Soup · 25-04-2018 2:21pm

BMW drivers are always aggressive and rude.

listermint · 25-04-2018 2:38pm

mick malones mauser wrote: »

BMWs aren't expensive?
Indeed..one of the most erudite statements ever posted on Boards.ie

You may have a penchant for the language, but you clearly have not got a clue about cars.

you see bmw you think oooo money...

They are one of the most common cars on our roads.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars/BMW/?year_from=98&year_to=04

look you can get a clean one for about 1000 Euro....

AtomicHorror · 25-04-2018 2:39pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Neither you nor I know if it is relevant or not.

That remains to be seen. I’ll let the guards to do their investigation and won’t be pre empting anything.

Sure. However my point was that "Muslim" was implied in the OP. If you and the Irish Times felt that "middle eastern" might be relevant for some other reason, then that's ok, my mistake.

What was the other reason?

Will I Am Not · 25-04-2018 2:45pm

I don’t believe this to be terrorist related at all but this is more about other threads than this particular incident.

It’s mad the way people lose their sh*t if someone mentions Islam in a thread about a man going on a “rampage” with a vehicle. Of course it’s going to come up. Especially if it’s reported he was of Middle Eastern origin. It’s a well known method of Islamic terrorism at this stage.

When a bomb went off in London in the 80s. You’re going to think Irish terrorists straight away. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. And if it wasn’t... big f*cking deal, it’s still something you would think and for good reason.

“Let’s wait until we have more info” Except if you want to blame mental health or any other factor other than religious fundamentalism. Fire away, speculate to your hearts content.

I understand that there are people who just want to come on and bash Islam and Muslims but it should still be up for adult discussion.

Grayson · 25-04-2018 2:53pm

Will I Am Not wrote: »

I don’t believe this to be terrorist related at all but this is more about other threads than this particular incident.

It’s mad the way people lose their sh*t if someone mentions Islam in a thread about a man going on a “rampage” with a vehicle. Of course it’s going to come up. Especially if it’s reported he was of Middle Eastern origin. It’s a well known method of Islamic terrorism at this stage.

When a bomb went off in London in the 80s. You’re going to think Irish terrorists straight away. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. And if it wasn’t... big f*cking deal, it’s still something you would think and for good reason.

“Let’s wait until we have more info” Except if you want to blame mental health or any other factor other than religious fundamentalism. Fire away, speculate to your hearts content.

I understand that there are people who just want to come on and bash Islam and Muslims but it should still be up for adult discussion.

Except there's no reason to think this was a terrorist incident. This thread was created after we knew a lot of the facts. And at this point even more is known. The reason it's turned to terrorism is because the guy happens to be middle eastern. We don't even know his religion. There's someone trying to tie this to what happened in Dundalk and to all muslims in general. Even though there's no link at all.

Brae100 · 25-04-2018 2:59pm

Grayson wrote: »

Except there's no reason to think this was a terrorist incident. This thread was created after we knew a lot of the facts. And at this point even more is known. The reason it's turned to terrorism is because the guy happens to be middle eastern. We don't even know his religion. There's someone trying to tie this to what happened in Dundalk and to all muslims in general. Even though there's no link at all.

There was a Koran in the car.

gozunda · 25-04-2018 3:10pm

Brae100 wrote: »

There was a Koran in the car.

North or South Korean?

Beechwoodspark · 25-04-2018 3:14pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Sure. However my point was that "Muslim" was implied in the OP. If you and the Irish Times felt that "middle eastern" might be relevant for some other reason, then that's ok, my mistake.

What was the other reason?

I cannot and will not be held responsible for whatever goes on in your head when you read one thing and imply another.

irishproduce · 25-04-2018 3:18pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

Except for media gratification so that sensationalist and hysterical headlines can be created, the nationality if of no consequence - this guy suffered a mental breakdown, he went about it in a violent driving manner and it caused a crash.

Gardai were already on the case, but it could have been worse.

Mental illness affects many people - some will do things that will affect and hurt others, some will commit suicide. And they come from all sorts of backgrounds, and such background should not be used for sensationalist purposes.

Sort of reminds me of living in london in the 80's - any Irishman involved in anything and it was stated a "check was done for IRA connections" - effectively it was assumed you were involved with the IRA until it was proven otherwise.

Well if the Guards were working on the theory that there may be a terrorist attack a foot and working on the Nationality of the person. Ah fúck it, I actually know it is a waste of time explaining to you any further. You'll pretend a person's nationality has nothing to do with likelihood of committing atrocities. Forget it actually.

For Forks Sake · 25-04-2018 3:21pm

gozunda wrote: »

Nort or South Korean?

gozunda · 25-04-2018 3:24pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Sure. However my point was that "Muslim" was implied in the OP. If you and the Irish Times felt that "middle eastern" might be relevant for some other reason, then that's ok, my mistake.
What was the other reason?

Does there need to be a 'reason?

The OP quoted an Irish Times article that detailed the individual was Middle Eastern. I do not believe that specifically 'implied the person is a 'muslim" one way or the other

Just as an news headline article detailed that 'American' tourists injured in a car accident. That headline did not specify whether they were North or South American. Fortunately the body of the article did. The point is though that news stories frequently detail the geographic origin of those reported on. e.g..

[URL]ttps://www.joe.ie/news/american-tourist-collision-cork-623498[/url]

The term 'middle eastern' is well used and afaik does not specifically imply 'Muslim'

The Middle East is a transcontinental region centered on Western Asia, Turkey (both Asian and European), and Egypt (which is mostly in North Africa). The corresponding adjective is Middle Eastern and the derived noun is Middle Easterner. The term has come into wider usage as a replacement of the term Near East (as opposed to the Far East) beginning in the early 20th century.

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*Please excuse my use of wiki as I really couldn't be arsed otherwise .

kyote00 · 25-04-2018 3:31pm

BMW ?

Grayson · 25-04-2018 3:31pm

Brae100 wrote: »

There was a Koran in the car.

Point taken. I knew that as well for for some reason didn't make the connection. To be fair I own a Koran and I'm not muslim but it's a pretty strong indicator.

gozunda · 25-04-2018 3:38pm

kyote00 wrote: »

BMW ?

Seems legit ....

Gravelly · 25-04-2018 3:47pm

Grayson wrote: »

This is kinda separate and I don't want to derail too much but 20 years ago I knew people on minimum wage who could afford a mortgage. Sure they saved and lived at home but they did it. Now you have people on 30k a year who do that.

There wasn't a minimum wage in Ireland 20 years ago.

Grayson wrote: »

It used to be that working hard was enough, now the majority need to work hard, study hard and even get a little bit lucky.

Always been the case, at least in my lifetime, and I'm in my 40's.

Grayson wrote: »

The average house price is probably 10 times higher than it was 10 years ago and wages haven't kept up. The average young person is spending 60% of their wages on rent so saving for a deposit is out of the question.

Again always been the case in my lifetime.

Grayson wrote: »

And in colleges so many are pushing themselves so they can get a graduate position. For that they need the best grades since they're competing against so many other graduates.

When I left college over 25 years ago, unless you were very lucky, the choices were take a rubbish job, or emigrate.

Grayson wrote: »

btw, I remember when i was in my 20's a guy I knew got a quite for 8000 punts for car insurance. He eventually went with Quinn for 3k. That was the reason we couldn't afford cars

When I got my first car my insurance was £3000. I had to get a letter from a doctor saying I didn't drink in order to get that rate! (good old PMPA).

The myth that young people have it so hard these days is just that - a myth. When my parents bought their first house, they paid just over £12,000 for it, with mortgage rates many multiples of what they are now. When I bought my first house, I paid £120,000 for it. My eldest will be buying their first house in the next 3-4 years - I doubt they'll pay the equivalent of £1,200,000 for it.

inforfun · 26-04-2018 9:57am

Next month it is ramadan again so these kind incidents can then be blamed on low blood sugar.
Like they did last year in Amsterdam when a Moroccan drove his car straight into a group of 8 people in front of Central Station.

hatrickpatrick · 26-04-2018 10:03am

Momentarily misread the title as "student goes on drinking rampage around Dublin city centre" and The Fear from last Sunday morning (AKA afternoon) made a horrible return

Gravelly · 26-04-2018 10:03am

inforfun wrote: »

Next month it is ramadan again so these kind incidents can then be blamed on low blood sugar.
Like they did last year in Amsterdam when a Moroccan drove his car straight into a group of 8 people in front of Central Station.

Between "mentally ill lone wolf" and "exam stress" the excuses are getting more ridiculous. The first time we have a suicide bombing in Ireland they'll probably claim it was "inadvertent explosive gastric issues caused by stress"

Hector Bellend · 26-04-2018 10:52am

inforfun wrote: »

Next month it is ramadan again so these kind incidents can then be blamed on low blood sugar.
Like they did last year in Amsterdam when a Moroccan drove his car straight into a group of 8 people in front of Central Station.

All you need is a mars bar and a quick ****. Problem solved.

Few pints

inforfun · 26-04-2018 10:54am

Not snickers?

So the commercial is a lie?

Graces7 · 26-04-2018 1:26pm

Was he arrested?

Grayson · 26-04-2018 1:29pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Was he arrested?

He was arrested at the scene. I can't remember if the DPP have charged him yet.

student goes on driving rampage around Dublin city centre.

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