The Frederick St protest and reaction

RobbieMD · 12-09-2018 2:25pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

As you can see, I am not claiming they were totally anonymous. They were effectively anonymous to anyone who would simply have been observing from the street, for example as a witness, and that's part of where the problem lies.

As with any refusal to comply with a court order, the courts can imprison or fine individuals for contempt, the latter can be attached to earnings from employment or social welfare income.

And the protestors will just leave their names and addresses and PPSN on a sheet for the property owner?

riffmongous · 12-09-2018 2:25pm

dav3 wrote: »

What a strange story. It's seems to have backfired for a lot of people.

Fine Gael desperate to throw off their 'posh boys' image and being out of their depth, are now viewed as being out of touch with the working class, stumbling from one disaster to another as the housing crisis worsens.

A new Garda commissioner with a suspect past, trying to act like Dirty Harry in his first few days, decides to bring in the riot squad wearing balaclavas, while the ordinary rank and file walk around unmasked.

A slum landlord who's hired goons turn up in an untaxed van which probably wouldn't pass the NCT, a van which also has a history of being used as a tactical aid unit in the greater manchester police.

A curious case indeed.

Saw this elsewhere (Irelaid Simpsons Fans), the story is generating quite a bit of attention alright

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Edgware · 12-09-2018 2:26pm

seamus wrote: »

I did think it was the Shinnerbots making the most noise about this alright, I just wasn't sure until you posted this.

It's ironic considering your own love affair with balaclavas.

Just shows the Shinner scumbag attitude hasnt gone away. Usual scrotes with tattoos and fags in the arse pocket. Varadkar and Martin correct to keep them outside the door. Sooner or later people will see through the Shinner magic beans policies

jobbridge4life · 12-09-2018 2:27pm

Edgware wrote: »

Just shows the Shinner scumbag attitude hasnt gone away. Usual scrotes with tattoos and fags in the arse pocket. Varadkar and Martin correct to keep them outside the door. Sooner or later people will see through the Shinner magic beans policies

If anyone thinks AGS press office, or An Taoiseach woke up today and thought 'wow what a stunning PR coup we've pulled off' they are beyond deluded.

Hurrache · 12-09-2018 2:36pm

jobbridge4life wrote: »

If anyone thinks AGS press office, or An Taoiseach woke up today and thought 'wow what a stunning PR coup we've pulled off' they are beyond deluded.

Do you actually think the taoiseach had any involvement in such mundane day to day operations of the Gardai, I'd be surprised if the commissioner had any involvement.

The Gardai are in the job of applying and enforcing the law, not PR.

riffmongous · 12-09-2018 2:39pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Do you actually think the taoiseach had any involvement in such mundane day to day operations of the Gardai, I'd be surprised if the commissioner had any involvement.

The Gardai are in the job of applying and enforcing the law, not PR.

Ha, that's an understatement

cursai · 12-09-2018 2:44pm

A lot of lunatics in this thread. But I just want to add something.
I saw earlier someone comparing this to Rosa Parks and I would like to clarify a bit.
These protestors don't compare to Rosa Parks.
Firstly, Rosa Parks was a fraud and her bus protest was orchestrated. The famous photo of her sitting on a bus has her sitting beside white journalists who were asked to attend.
Secondly she didn't stink of booze and welfare scrounging.
Thirdly I hope the poor Gardai on duty are wearing gloves when they scrape their heads off the pavement.

12-09-2018 2:49pm

cursai wrote: »

A lot of lunatics in this thread. But I just want to add something.
I saw earlier someone comparing this to Rosa Parks and I would like to clarify a bit.
These protestors don't compare to Rosa Parks.
Firstly, Rosa Parks was a fraud and her bus protest was orchestrated.

Wow, that took a sharp turn into the bizarre.

We're the luntaics, and Rosa Parks was a fraud. Gotcha

RWCNT · 12-09-2018 2:49pm

cursai wrote: »

A lot of lunatics in this thread. But I just want to add something.
I saw earlier someone comparing this to Rosa Parks and I would like to clarify a bit.
These protestors don't compare to Rosa Parks.
Firstly, Rosa Parks was a fraud and her bus protest was orchestrated. The famous photo of her sitting on a bus has her sitting beside white journalists who were asked to attend.
Secondly she didn't stink of booze and welfare scrounging.
Thirdly I hope the poor Gardai on duty are wearing gloves when they scrape their heads off the pavement.

Oh yes, so many lunatics. You, on the other hand, are clearly a very balanced person. :rolleyes:

zapitastas · 12-09-2018 2:52pm

cursai wrote: »

A lot of lunatics in this thread. But I just want to add something.
I saw earlier someone comparing this to Rosa Parks and I would like to clarify a bit.
These protestors don't compare to Rosa Parks.
Firstly, Rosa Parks was a fraud and her bus protest was orchestrated. The famous photo of her sitting on a bus has her sitting beside white journalists who were asked to attend.
Secondly she didn't stink of booze and welfare scrounging.
Thirdly I hope the poor Gardai on duty are wearing gloves when they scrape their heads off the pavement.

A little ironic you calling other people lunatics and coming out with that. The Rosa Parks photo was staged and she wasn't a meek woman on her way home. She was an active civil rights activist of many years and endangered her wellbeing by taking a stand that way she did. Calling her a fraud is pretty low. Maybe the term you were looking for is uppity

cursai · 12-09-2018 3:01pm

RWCNT wrote: »

Oh yes, so many lunatics. You, on the other hand, are clearly a very balanced person. :rolleyes:

No YOU on the other hand are a clearly balanced person. lol ROFL.

Is that how these passive aggressive meek insults work?

cursai · 12-09-2018 3:03pm

zapitastas wrote: »

A little ironic you calling other people lunatics and coming out with that. The Rosa Parks photo was staged and she wasn't a meek woman on her way home. She was an active civil rights activist of many years and endangered her wellbeing by taking a stand that way she did. Calling her a fraud is pretty low. Maybe the term you were looking for is uppity

Its not ironic. And she was in no danger from the journalists.

RWCNT · 12-09-2018 3:03pm

cursai wrote: »

No YOU on the other hand are a clearly balanced person. lol ROFL.

Is that how these passive aggressive meek insults work?

Not at all, I'm making fun of you for calling other people lunatics while appearing like an angry nut yourself due to the content of your post. You're just saying "no u".

Amirani · 12-09-2018 3:06pm

I see the latest destination is a house on Belvedere Place, which just recently received planning permission for conversion into 4 separate apartments. How exactly is occupying this house and preventing development going to help the housing issues we have?

knipex · 12-09-2018 3:07pm

jobbridge4life wrote: »

If anyone thinks AGS press office, or An Taoiseach woke up today and thought 'wow what a stunning PR coup we've pulled off' they are beyond deluded.

To be honest first thought when I saw this was "about time."And I'm pretty certain I wasn't the only one.

Same lefty whinging professional protesters who demand rights and ignore responsibilities and contribute nothing.. Sick to the teeth of watching them ride roughshod over the rule of law and grab all the media hype and then when someone attempts to enforce the law they scream harassment.

I remember watching those Jobstown prats standing on stage with a fake noose around their necks, fake blindfold over their heads and fake handcuffs behind their backs decrying the brutality of the state and raising funds while the same state was paying for their defense.. How my phone screen survived I will never know..

cursai · 12-09-2018 3:14pm

RWCNT wrote: »

Not at all, I'm making fun of you for calling other people lunatics while appearing like an angry nut yourself due to the content of your post. You're just saying "no u".

No no no. I'm making fun of YOU for call other people lunatics whilst appearing etc etc.....

Wow, I'm enjoying this verbal exchange. I hope its intellectually vacated enough.

cursai · 12-09-2018 3:17pm

Amirani wrote: »

I see the latest destination is a house on Belvedere Place, which just recently received planning permission for conversion into 4 separate apartments. How exactly is occupying this house and preventing development going to help the housing issues we have?

Because one of the flats wasn't specifically offered to one of their hags and brats.

RWCNT · 12-09-2018 3:32pm

cursai wrote: »

No no no. I'm making fun of YOU for call other people lunatics whilst appearing etc etc.....

Wow, I'm enjoying this verbal exchange. I hope its intellectually vacated enough.

:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEZFci9eaNE

Sweet.Science · 12-09-2018 3:39pm

Where does this end ?

Can i occupy someones car if i cant afford one and dont work to try get one ?

Can i take their clothes if that have too much and i want them ?

riffmongous · 12-09-2018 3:42pm

Amirani wrote: »

I see the latest destination is a house on Belvedere Place, which just recently received planning permission for conversion into 4 separate apartments. How exactly is occupying this house and preventing development going to help the housing issues we have?

Because it's getting attention and keeping the issue in the public eye and being talked about, it's not rocket science

cursai · 12-09-2018 3:47pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Because it's getting attention and keeping the issue in the public eye and being talked about, it's not rocket science

or because they've nothing else to do.

Thatnastyboy · 12-09-2018 3:48pm

It's good to get folk talking but what do they actually want to come of it? If it's not rocket science please lay it out for me..

All I can see on social media today is people calling for compulsory possession and asset stripping of property in order to give it up for permanent housing for the homeless? (regardless of where within the broad definition of homeless a person may find themselves)

mynamejeff · 12-09-2018 3:49pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/protesters-occupying-third-vacant-property-in-dublin-city-centre-ordered-to-leave-1.3626722

comments deteriorated quickly into insanity and veiled threats and raving nonsense

next one lined up already , already planning permission that building but now all delayed until these parasites can be removed .
its starting to look like these people arent protesting against homelessness . they are protesting against having to pay for homes

12-09-2018 3:51pm

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

All I can see on social media today is people calling for compulsory possession and asset stripping of property in order to give it up for permanent housing for the homeless?

Why is that so awful? We do that to build motorways, it's called compulsory purchase.

Thatnastyboy · 12-09-2018 3:52pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Why is that so awful? We do that to build motorways, it's called compulsory purchase.

CPO's would be fine by me, these people are calling for asset stripping, soviet style.

12-09-2018 3:53pm

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

CPO's would be fine by me, these people are calling for asset stripping, soviet style.

Have you seen a spokesperson or any politician involved with the protest saying that?

Or are you talking about your friends on social media who may not even have been present?

Kiith · 12-09-2018 4:06pm

If it's not the Garda's responsibility to remove people from a property after a court orders them to leave, who's responsibility is it? And what happens if the protesters refuse to move for the non-garda people?

I don't particularly like the idea of the Garda wearing balaclava's, but i can understand why they do.

Thatnastyboy · 12-09-2018 4:07pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Have you seen a spokesperson or any politician involved with the protest saying that?

Or are you talking about your friends on social media who may not even have been present?

Did I mention a politician or 'spokesperson'? I am talking about public opinion that I have noticed on social media, i.e. shared posts, comment sections, event comment sections... How the would I know if they were present or not?

FWIW I think there is a huge housing issue here, I just don't want to see a vitriolic divide rise in our society over issues that can be solved without attacking people just because they happen to own property.

12-09-2018 4:09pm

Kiith wrote: »

If it's not the Garda's responsibility to remove people from a property after a court orders them to leave, who's responsibility is it?

Bailiffs?

Noveight · 12-09-2018 4:10pm

Delighted to see them fúcked out on their arses.

Kiith · 12-09-2018 4:11pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Bailiffs?

And what happens if they refuse to move then?

I'm not giving out either way about it...just curious as to what is "supposed" to happen.

seamus · 12-09-2018 4:14pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Because it's getting attention and keeping the issue in the public eye and being talked about, it's not rocket science

It's pretty redundant though.

There isn't a day goes by that it's not on the news, that Sinn Fein isn't filing a no-confidence motion, or there's some new survey about rental prices, or some new homeless figures.

This is not a hidden issue that is being ignored or covered up and needs heavy-handed activism to keep it in the public consciousness.

12-09-2018 4:15pm

Kiith wrote: »

And what happens if they refuse to move then?

I'm not giving out either way about it...just curious as to what is "supposed" to happen.

A bailiff acting on a court order can use reasonable force in removing people from a property. A court has other options open to it, including fining occupiers (and making an order for attachment to the occupier's earnings or social welfare income).

bonkers67 · 12-09-2018 4:15pm

Edgware wrote: »

Just shows the Shinner scumbag attitude hasnt gone away. Usual scrotes with tattoos and fags in the arse pocket. Varadkar and Martin correct to keep them outside the door. Sooner or later people will see through the Shinner magic beans policies

Is this loon allowed out unsupervised?

bonkers67 · 12-09-2018 4:16pm

seamus wrote: »

It's pretty redundant though.

There isn't a day goes by that it's not on the news, that Sinn Fein isn't filing a no-confidence motion, or there's some new survey about rental prices, or some new homeless figures.

This is not a hidden issue that is being ignored or covered up and needs heavy-handed activism to keep it in the public consciousness.

It is being ignored.

washiskin · 12-09-2018 4:17pm

Genuine question, have this group occupied any boarded up local authority flats or houses anywhere? Is it just private dwellings they are targeting?

Amirani · 12-09-2018 4:18pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Why is that so awful? We do that to build motorways, it's called compulsory purchase.

Where are we going to raise the money to pay for compulsory purchase orders for all these houses? It would cost in the billions, we don't have that sort of money.

DrumSteve · 12-09-2018 4:18pm

Kiith wrote: »

If it's not the Garda's responsibility to remove people from a property after a court orders them to leave, who's responsibility is it? And what happens if the protesters refuse to move for the non-garda people?

I don't particularly like the idea of the Garda wearing balaclava's, but i can understand why they do.

I don't agree with the balaclava's, the public have a right to know who is policing them; in addition, having a bunch of lads with bally's on and an English reg van to bring them in is handing the protesters a bit of a PR coup.

Wheeliebin30 · 12-09-2018 4:19pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

I don't agree with the balaclava's, the public have a right to know who is policing them; in addition, having a bunch of lads with bally's on and an English reg van to bring them in is handing the protesters a bit of a PR coup.

They do know, they have badges and can find out their identity if they want.

What’s so important about seen their faces?

12-09-2018 4:20pm

jobbridge4life wrote: »

I am confident that AGS might not want their faces shown, and that there may be valid reasons for same. I am confident they might want weapons too, and to bar individuals from taking photographs of their actions, and so on and so forth. None of this means they should be entitled to do so, or that they exercised the right to do so correctly in this instance.

Were they not wearing fire retardant hoods?

12-09-2018 4:21pm

Amirani wrote: »

Where are we going to raise the money to pay for compulsory purchase orders for all these houses? It would cost in the billions, we don't have that sort of money.

How about restoring the VAT rate on cups of coffee and restaurant meals?

The Department of Finance itself estimates that the "temporary" reduction in the VAT rate has cost the Exchequer €2.6bn in revenue since its introduction.

seamus · 12-09-2018 4:24pm

bonkers67 wrote: »

It is being ignored.

Right

Amirani · 12-09-2018 4:26pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

How about restoring the VAT rate on cups of coffee and restaurant meals?

The Department of Finance itself estimates that the "temporary" reduction in the VAT rate has cost the Exchequer €2.6bn in revenue since its introduction.

Completely in agreement there; I'd be in favour or restoring that. I'd also be in favour of an increase in property taxes, particularly on vacant ones like the ones identified. There's still going to be a large shortfall of what's required to house anyone needing a home though.

I'd also be in favour of councils building more affordable housing; which is much more cost-effective than trying to buy/CPO expensive properties in the middle of the city. Anyone needing to be housed immediately should be offered housing outside of Dublin where it's more plentiful.

DrumSteve · 12-09-2018 4:27pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

They do know, they have badges and can find out their identity if they want.

What’s so important about seen their faces?

Well I suppose the corollary is why would the Garda hide their faces, but have their badges on show?

We don't live in a tinpot dictatorship. We live in a republic and the Garda (funded by our tax money) police the state with the publics consent. Hiding their faces and protecting lads wearing balaclavas and tracksuits themselves (who also seem to have been breaking the law ) does not make for a great look.

Hurrache · 12-09-2018 4:29pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

I don't agree with the balaclava's, the public have a right to know who is policing them

Eh, they do, and they did.

DrumSteve wrote: »

who also seem to have been breaking the law

What law?

riffmongous · 12-09-2018 4:33pm

seamus wrote: »

It's pretty redundant though.

There isn't a day goes by that it's not on the news, that Sinn Fein isn't filing a no-confidence motion, or there's some new survey about rental prices, or some new homeless figures.

This is not a hidden issue that is being ignored or covered up and needs heavy-handed activism to keep it in the public consciousness.

Most ordinary people aren't very interested in talking about statistics and surveys though, something like this, whether you agree or disagree with it, is going to be better at keeping the issue in the public view

DrumSteve · 12-09-2018 4:35pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Eh, they do, and they did.

What law?

The laws around private security displaying correct identification and the laws around driving a van that has valid nct, tax and insurance.

Hurrache · 12-09-2018 4:41pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

The laws around private security displaying correct identification and the laws around driving a van that has valid nct, tax and insurance.

So firstly, what private security law were they breaking?

Secondly, how do you know they had no tax, insurance, and required an NCT?

12-09-2018 4:41pm

+1 Protests needed.

99.99 percent of the population are housed just fine and most folks have little contact with the rental sector.

The fact that its on the news does not mean that voters will vote in favour of doing thing to provide more accomodation.

Also the cops screwed up yesterday.

The protesters knew they would be evicted.
The cops knew they would be evicted.
Why did the cops allow those other fools dress in black with black balaclavas and driving that battered oul untaxed van?
Why didnt the cops have a senior unmasked officer there to take charge and talk to protesters/journalists. Iv no problem with the ordinary cops wearing masks really.

Image is important and this is a win for the protesters.

Kiith · 12-09-2018 4:44pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

The laws around private security displaying correct identification and the laws around driving a van that has valid nct, tax and insurance.

The van is a valid complaint, but they were not required to have ID.

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2018/0912/993266-dublin-protest/

The Frederick St protest and reaction

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