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Robert ninja · 19-11-2019 8:12pm

Since he's being brought up, The Quartering was physically attacked by the calm, collected anti-gamergate types at GenCon once by Loter, defending her ladyship's (Sarkeesian) honor. Of course he was sued... not for money but settled for a public apology which shows TQ was more interested in exposing and displaying the absolute hyprocrisy of these "woke" anti gamer maniacs than he was money.

An unfounded hitpiece (dime a dozen) by a 'game journalist' against TQ had to be pulled before they would face a libel lawsuit. Here's the apology by The Escapist editor. It was trying to label him literally every wrong-think buzzword under the sun.

Also worth noting that cnet's hitpiece "angry youtubers" was leaked to TQ before it was even published, probably by cnet staff whom take TQ's side but are apparently too afraid to bring it up internally to stop the sh*tpiece (the clique at work), which was being conjured for months and so had to pass it to him like it was a bloody wikileak. CNET staff also contacted TQ advertisers to take away his sponsors (as others seem to be triggered by here), which is a huge ethical violation because they're activists, not journos. In fact game journo activists was a trending term used a little while back. The only thing these hitpieces did was increase the sub and follow counts for everyone they tried to smear, too.

In other heated trivia, the responses to this tweet are gold

https://twitter.com/Polygon/status/1194691200843956224

Sonics2k · 19-11-2019 9:13pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w

Chris_Heilong · 19-11-2019 9:23pm

I have watched a few of Jeremy's videos to get an idea of why there seems to be such strong forms of hate towards him from a few posters here, I dont get it, the guy seems well spoken, intelligent and logical. Calling out things that are ridiculous in the gaming scene seems to be his thing which is fine. He also says he was not even around during gamergate.

An unfounded hitpiece (dime a dozen) by a 'game journalist' against TQ had to be pulled before they would face a libel lawsuit. Here's the apology by The Escapist editor. It was trying to label him literally every wrong-think buzzword under the sun.

Games journalism is like a cesspit over there where they are all in bed together(metaphorically) and if one of them want to misrepresent someone all the other will jump on board.

SomeSayKos · 20-11-2019 11:11am

The only thing worse than the Quartering are the people who eat the sh*t that he shovels

Chris_Heilong · 20-11-2019 1:15pm

SomeSayKos wrote: »

The only thing worse than the Quartering are the people who eat the sh*t that he shovels

Classic no substance response. Can you explain why you dislike him? As there is a chance I am missing something. Did he physically attack someone? Does he spout Hate speech? Or is it guilt by association?

SomeSayKos · 20-11-2019 2:30pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Classic no substance response. Can you explain why you dislike him? As there is a chance I am missing something. Did he physically attack someone? Does he spout Hate speech? Or is it guilt by association?

I think i dislike him because he's a pathetic human being with a creepy agenda. Really creepy like. I'm getting the creeps just thinking about it now

Retr0gamer · 20-11-2019 4:12pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Does he spout Hate speech?

Yes.

johnny_ultimate · 20-11-2019 8:15pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Yes.

Personally I watched 35 of his videos about Captain Marvel and gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he just didn’t like the film.

Video 36, though, I definitely started to question whether there might have been something more to it.

Robert ninja · 20-11-2019 8:18pm

Hate speech is a joke. Making videos critical of the industry... so scary and creepy! Responding to hitpieces via youtube - how dare they! They need to get an ad-ridden, corporate owned journo site. Then they can literally have associated with convicted pedophiles and it won't matter because absolutely nothing can break the narrative they need to maintain. Assault, pedos, fake porn agencies, proven lies, libel, blackmailing, doxing, suicides, secret mailing lists... still not as bad as muh hate speech. They're not all like that after all :rolleyes:

But gamers and youtubers are the problem because they've got the wrong opinions and have video formats I don't like, ok? I mean just look at him announcing clearly his sponsors in the opening of his videos... what a creep! He should hide them like the respectable journalists did until a literal gamergate operation got the USA's FTC to enforce disclosure.

pixelburp · 20-11-2019 9:03pm

Christ, this thread has become awfully circular and festooned with whataboutery.

Dogpiling sucks, but I refuse to feel sympathy for an outrage peddler who stirs the nest then, surprise, gets called out by those he's trying to incense. More fool them I suppose; but Quartering occupies about the same cultural space as Logan Paul. Professional drama merchants, who won't starve knowing the right buttons to press, with all the elegance of hammer.

But Kotaku!! KOTAAAKKUUUUU...

TETSUO!

SomeSayKos · 21-11-2019 2:59pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

Hate speech is a joke. Making videos critical of the industry... so scary and creepy! Responding to hitpieces via youtube - how dare they! They need to get an ad-ridden, corporate owned journo site. Then they can literally have associated with convicted pedophiles and it won't matter because absolutely nothing can break the narrative they need to maintain. Assault, pedos, fake porn agencies, proven lies, libel, blackmailing, doxing, suicides, secret mailing lists... still not as bad as muh hate speech. They're not all like that after all :rolleyes:

But gamers and youtubers are the problem because they've got the wrong opinions and have video formats I don't like, ok? I mean just look at him announcing clearly his sponsors in the opening of his videos... what a creep! He should hide them like the respectable journalists did until a literal gamergate operation got the USA's FTC to enforce disclosure.

I think video games are fun

nix · 21-11-2019 5:46pm

pixelburp wrote: »

this thread has become awfully circular and festooned with whataboutery.

Hehe pretty sure thats why this thread now exists :pac::D

Chris_Heilong · 21-11-2019 7:00pm

That is fair enough and from watching around 16 of his videos now he has gone overboard a few times, I mean I would say to him "make your point but do not insult the person you are criticising."

Robert ninja · 21-11-2019 7:46pm

Sure let's all have a laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjXaAZHEQE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yYp8ZeQ-I8

johnny_ultimate · 22-11-2019 12:50am

I do admittedly find it very, very funny that there are people out there still obsessing over two isolated videos of people playing games badly two and three years (respectively) after the fact.

hellsing101 · 22-11-2019 9:25am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I do admittedly find it very, very funny that there are people out there still obsessing over two isolated videos of people playing games badly two and three years (respectively) after the fact.

That Cuphead one is pretty funny, although I don't know if you necessarily need to be "good" at a game to review it or voice an opinion on it but you should at least be competent enough to finish or complete most of it.

Sonics2k · 22-11-2019 10:19am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I do admittedly find it very, very funny that there are people out there still obsessing over two isolated videos of people playing games badly two and three years (respectively) after the fact.

On Polygon's part is absolutely dreadful timing, given everything going on with them. Even I thought it was absolutely ridiculous they get someone with literally no experience in the genre to review a game, and then upload that god awful video as their review of the game. Within minutes it was clear the reviewer had never really played an FPS.

It was worse than when the Verge built a PC.

Penn · 22-11-2019 10:32am

Robert ninja wrote: »

<whataboutery>

Robert ninja wrote: »

Hate speech is a joke. (+ <whataboutery>)

Robert ninja wrote: »

<whataboutery>

Are there any other pages in your playbook?

gizmo · 22-11-2019 10:35am

Sonics2k wrote: »

On Polygon's part is absolutely dreadful timing, given everything going on with them. Even I thought it was absolutely ridiculous they get someone with literally no experience in the genre to review a game, and then upload that god awful video as their review of the game. Within minutes it was clear the reviewer had never really played an FPS.

It was worse than when the Verge built a PC.

Fun fact: That video was not recorded by the person who wrote the review nor was it posted as a review of the game.

You'd think that piece of information would be as commonly known as the video itself but alas, it got lost in the maelstrom of snark which accompanied its release at the time.

johnny_ultimate · 22-11-2019 10:41am

gizmo wrote: »

Fun fact: That video was not recorded by the person who wrote the review nor was it posted as a review of the game.

You'd think that piece of information would be as commonly known as the video itself but alas, it got lost in the maelstrom of snark which accompanied its release at the time.

Plus the game got a really, really positive review from the site, albeit being one of the few sites to call out (IMO 100% correctly) the game’s substantially weaker back half.

Retr0gamer · 22-11-2019 10:58am

Yeah, the videos in both cases were done by the guy hired to do the video, not the guy hired to review games and have knowledge of them.

Shiminay · 22-11-2019 12:46pm

BUT ANITA!

:rolleyes:

Sonics2k · 22-11-2019 12:58pm

gizmo wrote: »

Fun fact: That video was not recorded by the person who wrote the review nor was it posted as a review of the game.

You'd think that piece of information would be as commonly known as the video itself but alas, it got lost in the maelstrom of snark which accompanied its release at the time.

Ah yes! You are quite right, and I'll admit I'd totally spaced on it. It was still a terrible video though :pac:

Shiminay wrote: »

BUT ANITA!

:rolleyes:

I mean, she did release some really dodgy content, and certainly stretched the truth. It's a shame because the initial idea was really good, but it became clear she had a very determined view from the outset.

Shiminay · 22-11-2019 3:45pm

I completely agree actually, I think the content she produced was really poor and I'd love to have seen the same thing done by someone who knows what they're at and better still, who's got no knowledge or preconceptions of games. If the "Ethics in Games Journalism" crowd had left her alone instead of making her famous, she'd have faded into obscurity and would remain a non-entity.

Robert ninja · 22-11-2019 3:50pm

Time to update the women-abuser list. Is it finally a gamergater? Oh no it seems to be... JR Honeycutt? Remember him? Tabletop games dev who encouraged and justified violence towards The Quartering (right after TQ was assaulted by a woke freak) because he's got the wrong opinions and his videos are too long or something.

JR Honeycutt wrote:

Punching Jeremy Hambley (The Quatering) is also a thing you should do.

Also JR

JR Honeycutt wrote:

I apologise to Victoria [snip] and for other times I've hurt her and other women in my life.

Full apology as recommended by his therapist.

In other news an Overwatch player has been banned for saying "Ok man" to someone who does not identify as a man
https://twitter.com/twitchbanned/status/1197548318857019392?s=21
Twitter thread discussing it:
https://twitter.com/LogicZ3tv/status/1196390362841047040?s=19

And Valve shows yet even more bias against visual novels with another banning

hellsing101 · 22-11-2019 4:25pm

If that dude got banned for just saying "Ok man" then that's pretty harsh on Twitchs's part but Id imagine its easier to ban him than take the backlash they might get if they did nothing so its a smart move in a business sense.

nix · 22-11-2019 4:35pm

hellsing101 wrote: »

If that dude got banned for just saying "Ok man" then that's pretty harsh on Twitchs's part but Id imagine its easier to ban him than take the backlash they might get if they did nothing so its a smart move in a business sense.

No its not its daft, there will be back lash either way, they should just ignore it, as now they will have to entertain all dumb **** like that from now on

:rolleyes:

hellsing101 · 22-11-2019 4:39pm

nix wrote: »

No its not its daft, there will be back lash either way, they should just ignore it, as now they will have to entertain all dumb **** like that from now on :rolleyes:

Its difficult to know which side will shout louder though, you could see how some could paint Twitch as anti-trans etc. That's not a group you want to get on the wrong side off.

Sonics2k · 22-11-2019 5:11pm

Shiminay wrote: »

I completely agree actually, I think the content she produced was really poor and I'd love to have seen the same thing done by someone who knows what they're at and better still, who's got no knowledge or preconceptions of games. If the "Ethics in Games Journalism" crowd had left her alone instead of making her famous, she'd have faded into obscurity and would remain a non-entity.

Call me a pessimist (or conspiracy nut), but I always felt the outrage around her and Fem Freq was a little to convenient. It was absolutely pushed along side the whole GamerGate nonsense by the very same sites decrying the abuse.

That's not to say abuse was in totally fake or even called for, it was disgusting. Even as someone who largely disagreed with Anita, I was baffled by the abuse that was aimed at her and others.

I don't know, personally I feel the outrage and drama did a lot to boost the clicks for an awful lot of people earning ad money at that time.

Shiminay · 22-11-2019 5:21pm

If the stakes hadn't have been as high and the death threats so legitimate (as I remember, she had to move house and go into protected custody with the police because they thought the threats were credible), I'd be inclined to agree, but I feel like in this specific case, it was a lot more than "outrage advertising" (which is a term I've just made up for this sorta thing).

one armed dwarf · 22-11-2019 5:44pm

Having spent far too much time on /v/ back in the day, the first time I heard about tropes v women was on that site. It definitely snow balled because of the abuse and weird rape comments people were leaving on her page, but that was just the side effect of a bunch of maladjusted losers who are just too precious about their video games being criticised.

Not that Anita's methodologies were very good. They often took the trope and made some fairly contrived links between them and popular games. Tbh I'm not keen on the way 'tropes' are used as a blunt way to criticise media in general, it seems just as lazy as leaning on the tropes in the first place (piece of media has 'X', therefore is problematic). I think there's meaningful criticism that can be made towards her, but that doesn't excuse the horrible, personal abuse (which definitely happened, it's not some false flag made up ****. I saw it. Everyone saw it)

But I think it (TvW) helped spark a conversation that was badly needed in the medium and plenty of people have taken on that baton. Talking about diversity in games doesn't have to be this adversarial conversation. It just became like that because some people just attach far too much of their own identity to the stories and representations in the games they play and cant handle that being undermined for some reason, or make room for different types of experiences that don't match their own

SomeSayKos · 22-11-2019 5:50pm

Sarkeesians content was poor in my opinion as a lot of it really felt like it wasn't researched properly. The outrage from sad lads over it though was kind of mind blowing and creepy, really creepy.

Robert ninja · 22-11-2019 9:56pm

Wouldn't be quick to believe any claims of harassment she makes since literally just sitting in front of her is enough to be considered harassment to her. She once grabbed a screenshot of a harassment tweet and reposed it as evidence within 3 minutes which to anyone who isn't a gullible knobhead can tell it was almost definitely posted by herself. Then there was the whole boogie thing where she bullied him because he didn't show enough guilt for being white. These progressive types eat each other.

She's had one persistent creeper on her thanks to gamergate setting up a harassment patrol to see who in fact was sending her crap. Turns out it was game journalist Sousas, some irrelevant brazilian di*khead. But leave it to the clique to misreport this to keep the narrative going.
To be fair though she did have child porn posted at her once. I wonder if it was Dan Olson again.

When all is said and done she's just some opportunistic feminist who doesn't even play games anyway. Just another dime a dozen freak invading this hobby to push their agenda and gain fame.

SomeSayKos · 25-11-2019 3:57pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

Wouldn't be quick to believe any claims of harassment she makes since literally just sitting in front of her is enough to be considered harassment to her. She once grabbed a screenshot of a harassment tweet and reposed it as evidence within 3 minutes which to anyone who isn't a gullible knobhead can tell it was almost definitely posted by herself. Then there was the whole boogie thing where she bullied him because he didn't show enough guilt for being white. These progressive types eat each other.

She's had one persistent creeper on her thanks to gamergate setting up a harassment patrol to see who in fact was sending her crap. Turns out it was game journalist Sousas, some irrelevant brazilian di*khead. But leave it to the clique to misreport this to keep the narrative going.
To be fair though she did have child porn posted at her once. I wonder if it was Dan Olson again.

When all is said and done she's just some opportunistic feminist who doesn't even play games anyway. Just another dime a dozen freak invading this hobby to push their agenda and gain fame.

a hobby can't be invaded

Robert ninja · 25-11-2019 6:35pm

Tell that to comic fans.

Chris_Heilong · 25-11-2019 6:41pm

hellsing101 wrote: »

Its difficult to know which side will shout louder though, you could see how some could paint Twitch as anti-trans etc. That's not a group you want to get on the wrong side off.

They remind me of the flat Earthers but have mainstream approval for some reason which makes them dangerous.

Sonics2k · 25-11-2019 7:32pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

Tell that to comic fans.

I've been reading comics for well over 30 years now. What's the problem?

Shiminay · 26-11-2019 1:25pm

I'd sure love to know what "invasion" took place in comics given that they've literally never been more popular...

johnny_ultimate · 26-11-2019 1:43pm

Shiminay wrote: »

I'd sure love to know what "invasion" took place in comics given that they've literally never been more popular...

Comicsgate - kinda like GamerGate, but where the proponents never even *pretended* to be about anything other than harassing women, minorities etc...

Stone Deaf 4evr · 26-11-2019 3:11pm

Shiminay wrote: »

I'd sure love to know what "invasion" took place in comics given that they've literally never been more popular...

The secret invasion - when all the skrulls were pretending to be various superheroes?

K.O.Kiki · 26-11-2019 4:24pm

I'm honestly glad we have a thread for all this because it shows me there's 2 sides of boardsies and they're both full of shít.

Chris_Heilong · 26-11-2019 4:48pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Comicsgate - kinda like GamerGate, but where the proponents never even *pretended* to be about anything other than harassing women, minorities etc...

Are you saying comics are now pandering to women and minorities now? Strange, I thought their demographic were young males. I wonder what changed.

johnny_ultimate · 26-11-2019 4:58pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Are you saying comics are now pandering to women and minorities now?

Nope.

Penn · 26-11-2019 5:30pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

I've been reading comics for well over 30 years now. What's the problem?

Shiminay wrote: »

I'd sure love to know what "invasion" took place in comics given that they've literally never been more popular...

Something something something Lady Thor something something something Black Panther is just The Lion King something something something Brie Larson something.

Chris_Heilong · 26-11-2019 6:39pm

Well if something has been one way for a while and has an established audience that enjoys it the way it is then I can imagine them not being too happy about a group of people hijacking the medium to push post modernism ideology that they know they would not have such a large audience for otherwise. In these new creators minds it is all about getting the message across. This has been bad when it shifts the core of what many liked about that medium and has been seen in many franchise films, TV, comics and games, hell even the news is getting in on the action.

I do not think it is as simple as saying "well I support inclusion and highlighting marginal groups so anything that is done in the name of progress is a good thing and anyone that disagrees must be a hateful bigot." Which I feel is some peoples stance on here and could not be further from the truth, People just want escapism for their boring lives and for most men that is a fantasy with out someone else's politics getting interrupting that.

Robert ninja · 26-11-2019 7:53pm

Captain Britain: Muslim

The comics industry is in an absolute state with much of the same, hitpieces for political leanings, deplaforming and typical clique tolerant behaviour that we've seen in games industry, only worse because there's more monopoly in that (comic) industry with Marvel and DC having gone completely woke.

Back to insane video game news. Llimited run games will ban and even take legal action against you if use memes:
https://nichegamer.com/2019/11/26/rumor-limited-run-games-bans-and-threatens-to-sue-customer-over-meme/

SomeSayKos · 29-11-2019 3:57pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

Captain Britain: Muslim

The comics industry is in an absolute state with much of the same, hitpieces for political leanings, deplaforming and typical clique tolerant behaviour that we've seen in games industry, only worse because there's more monopoly in that (comic) industry with Marvel and DC having gone completely woke.

Back to insane video game news. Llimited run games will ban and even take legal action against you if use memes:
https://nichegamer.com/2019/11/26/rumor-limited-run-games-bans-and-threatens-to-sue-customer-over-meme/

Comics have been political since comics began....

Retr0gamer · 29-11-2019 5:27pm

Yeah but Muslim women can't be superheroes because they are subhuman. :rolleyes:

Shiminay · 29-11-2019 5:53pm

LOL, "comics aren't political" being said by people who claim to be fans of the likes of Alan Moore or Warren Ellis or Garth Ennis or even Stan Lee!

gizmo · 29-11-2019 6:25pm

Shiminay wrote: »

LOL, "comics aren't political" being said by people who claim to be fans of the likes of Alan Moore or Warren Ellis or Garth Ennis or even Stan Lee!

Yea, Moore didn't exactly go silently into the night on that particular topic...

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