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Thoughts of an unapologetic teacher

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  • #52
    JizzBeans
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    Rodin wrote: »
    None strike as often as teachers.
    Army aren't allowed to strike to the best of my knowledge and are getting completely shafted because of it.

    Beef farmers are getting shafted too and are right to stand up for themselves.


    Does separate pay scales for new teachers qualify as shafted?


  • #53
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,790 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You're a poorly disguised wind-up merchant.

    An ability to achieve at least average quality grammar and spelling would make the OP a little more convincing.


  • #54
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    Does separate pay scales for new teachers qualify as shafted?

    No.
    Teachers voted for them.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.


  • #55
    Orderofchaos
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Orderofchaos


    Once the teacher shortage crisis is over I predict a big upsurge in education.


  • #56
    JizzBeans
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    looksee wrote: »
    An ability to achieve at least average quality grammar and spelling would make the OP a little more convincing.


    Its only boards.ie, im not that concerned.


  • #57
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭storker


    Rodin wrote: »
    Must I acutely point out the problem with 'cliche' ?

    Not at all, I assumed that was what you'd jumped on so eagerly. Had I been conversing with a French speaker I would have made more of an effort to include it, but you knew what I meant anyway, as I knew you would. Anyway, according to some sources, the accent is optional when written in English.

    But that's all just a distraction from the fact that you took a tiny detail of what was written and made a very silly assumption based on it.

    And of course, see https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111255283&postcount=50 .


  • #58
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    storker wrote: »
    Not at all, I assumed that was what you'd jumped on so eagerly. Had I been conversing with a French speaker I would have made more of an effort to include it, but you knew what I meant anyway, as I knew you would. Anyway, according to some sources, the accent is optional when written in English.

    But that's all just a distraction from the fact that you took a tiny detail of what was written and made a very silly assumption based on it.

    Your lack of attention to basic grammar led to none other. Put a bit of effort in.


  • #59
    BuboBubo
    Registered Users Posts: 927 ✭✭✭BuboBubo


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    Its only boards.ie, im not that concerned.

    You are concerned enough to start a thread with a rambling, aggressive post.

    I'm happy for you. Good luck, I hope you continue to be happy in your career. I'm also very glad you are not a teacher of English (which I'm guessing isn't your first language ;)


  • #60
    JizzBeans
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    Lads, im not feeling it here. I have yet to hear one valid reason to justify anti teacher sentiment. Its mostly off point passive aggression.

    Laziness and complaining about pay features in all line of work.

    I stand by my OP.


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  • #61
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭storker


    Rodin wrote: »
    Your lack of attention to basic grammar led to none other. Put a bit of effort in.

    Sorry nice try at hiding the poverty of your argument behind grammatical pedantry, but ultimately, and unsurprisingly, unconvincing. Never mind, I'm sure there must be something else you're good at.


  • #62
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    storker wrote: »
    Sorry nice try at hiding the poverty of your argument behind grammatical pedantry, but ultimately, and unsurprisingly, unconvincing. Never mind, I'm sure there must be something else you're good at.

    Plenty.


  • #63
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    Looking from the outside in, the pros and cons of teaching:

    Pros:
    Holidays
    Having every weekend off
    Good money once you have full hours
    Little threat of losing your job. (I can only recall one teacher ever being removed from the teaching register)
    Extra pay if you want to correct exams
    Relatively easy to qualify as a teacher via Hibernia, etc.
    No early starts

    Cons:
    Not a dynamic career, little room for progression so not really a good job for ambitious people
    I'm sure it must be mind-numbing to teach the same stuff year after year
    If you wanted to leave teaching after 10 years, you'd probably be starting off at entry level in another job as I'm not sure if teaching experience translates to other jobs
    Two-tier pay scale (something that exists in almost every part of the public sector but teachers seem to find it particularly egregious)
    Difficulty getting full hours for newly qualified teachers


  • #64
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    Lads, im not feeling it here. I have yet to hear one valid reason to justify anti teacher sentiment. Its mostly off point passive aggression.

    Laziness and complaining about pay features in all line of work.

    I stand by my OP.

    You still get a Kiki out of bland reductive arguments. Longevity wasn't your strong suit on this site, and never will be.


  • #65
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,866 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    Ah grammar correction, classic "I have no valid point" move.


    Thanks but this has nothing to do with owning property, please read post. Refer to reason 3 for anti teacher agitation

    Well, you claim to be a religion teacher, careful of the grammar or you might teach them to spell Catholic with a small c.....


  • #66
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Jesus does noone know when they're being trolled anymore?

    OP is no more a teacher than Jade Goody.


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  • #67
    JizzBeans
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You still get a Kiki out of bland reductive arguments. Longevity wasn't your strong suit on this site, and never will be.


    If you cant make a valid point I understand.


  • #68
    JizzBeans
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Well, you claim to be a religion teacher, careful of the grammar or you might teach them to spell Catholic with a small c.....


    I better get to the burn ward


  • #69
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,866 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    I better get to the burn ward

    Pride is a sin..


  • #70
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    What self-respecting 36 year old would sign up with a name like JizzBeans?


  • #71
    JizzBeans
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The point is the futility of your shrill posturing. Taking preemptive offence and being rather thin-skinned. It failed miserably before, and this is merely your latest calamity.


    Before?


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  • #72
    JizzBeans
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    What self-respecting 36 year old would sign up with a name like JizzBeans?


    That feels a little personal, what does my username have to do with anything?


  • #73
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,637 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Rodin wrote: »
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Question:
    How much do people think teachers should be paid?
    And what should the holiday scenario be?

    About 20euro per hour worked.
    6 weeks paid excl bank hols.

    That doesn't sound all that different to start they get - the only issue being times when you fail to provide work or holiday pay. Your plan doesn't add up to 52 weeks (unless you're suggesting running schools 46 weeks a year, which I'm not entirely sure is a healthy balance for a child, especially in primary)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #74
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    That doesn't sound all that different to start they get - the only issue being times when you fail to provide work or holiday pay. Your plan doesn't add up to 52 weeks (unless you're suggesting running schools 46 weeks a year, which I'm not entirely sure is a healthy balance for a child, especially in primary)

    Unpaid leave for the balance then.
    Should only get paid for what they work.


  • #75
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    36 and on 47k a year pre tax without a partner...... Good luck ever owning a property.
    But where is the evidence they don't have a property? And they said they're unmarried - don't know if that means they don't have a partner.

    Either way, the above isn't relevant - it's just more of what they're talking about.

    Their opening post is very provocative but they're not actually complaining about their job (which I thought was the issue people had with teachers) - they say they love it. And the resentment they predicted has indeed come to pass.


  • #76
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    But where is the evidence they don't have a property? And they said they're unmarried - don't know if that means they don't have a partner.

    Either way, the above isn't relevant - it's just more of what they're talking about.

    Their opening post is very provocative but they're not actually complaining about their job (which I thought was the issue people had with teachers) - they say they love it. And the resentment they predicted has indeed come to pass.

    The resentment is about the whinging.
    Teachers have it good.


  • #77
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    That feels a little personal, what does my username have to do with anything?

    Gravitas. Decorum. Respectability.

    Your message is lacking all of them.


  • #78
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,305 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    If you fundamentally disagree with how teaching is conducted in Ireland then make a complaint to the dept. of education
    I have komrade. I received a letter in the post last month back to say that my letter caused 8 teachers to get a double tap, and their families billed for the bullets.


  • #79
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Rodin wrote: »
    The resentment is about the whinging.
    Teachers have it good.
    But the OP is saying the job is great!


  • #80
    JizzBeans
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭JizzBeans


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    Gravitas. Decorum. Respectability.

    Your message is lacking all of them.

    I would appreciate it if you didn't make personal remarks.


  • #81
    Rubberchikken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    there is no way im wasting my time reading through your original post.

    i couldnt care less what pay grade you're on or how many/little hours you 'work' or whether you're loving the job or not.

    teachers are just teachers. nothing special. it's just a job like any other, done well by some, f!@ked up by many.


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  • #82
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    Farmers
    Nurses
    Luas drivers
    Bus drivers
    Army

    I dont mind them striking, especially nurses. They work hard

    I guess what just gets me about teachers striking is they work half weeks and get 3 months holidays and pay is not bad and then have the gall to protest on top of that. not everybody wants to be a teacher no, not everyone can stick it for certain reasons, but recognise when ye have it good like


  • #83
    Hoboo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    I agree to certain extent. But again, these are flaws in the system, NOT the employees. If your such a hard worker and so concerned then why don't you get elected and change the system?

    The system is indeed the problem, but it's only those in the system that can change it. But nobody in the system wants that. Ok I'm sure some do, but they're a tiny minority.

    When a politician tries to change anything it results in a strike (don't get me started on unions).

    Getting elected will change nothing, they're part of the bigger system that also needs change but again the players don't want change. I've 3 friend's/acquaintances in politics, one is a TD and in the top 5 in FF. Only interest all 3 have is re-election. They'll say it themselves. I've no interest in an environment like that.

    I've zero against teachers, it's an issue that won't change until someone has the balls to really question it. Namely a teacher, or moreso a group of.

    Until then, I'll suck up watching my bro start at 9 and finish at 3:30, and have holidays every 6 weeks, and more power to him.

    All I'd like to see is more CPD and a system that either improves or drives out the underperformers and allows brighter minds to get in.


  • #84
    Hoboo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    BTW fair play for starting a thread and staying actively involved, chapeau!


  • #85
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    JizzBeans wrote: »
    I would appreciate it if you didn't make personal remarks.

    What's personal about your choice of username? :D:D:D


  • #86
    CIP4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,657 ✭✭✭CIP4


    I have never slagged any teachers for their choice of career. Teaching is not something I think I would ever be good at just the constant repeating information over and over to try get it to sink in to students I would have no interest in.

    As for the pay 47k at 36 so assume you are at it a good while so. Hardly an outrageous high salary or something for people to be jealous over.

    I think all the holidays teachers get is what really rubs people up while it does sound nice to have that nice long summer off every year again if it was something that meant that much to me I would of became a teacher.

    I am an engineer and on occasion have got people commenting on how I am lucky to have a good lifestyle out of it or to be paid so much. But like when I was in secondary school I picked the career based on it being something I was interested in and that it had good benefits and job prospects. I worked hard in college and as a graduate to get to where I am. There isn’t really that much luck in it anyone can pick it as a college degree and do it as a career the same with teaching.

    If you thinking teaching is such an unbelievable career it’s always an option to become one. I wouldn’t see the need to slag anyone for choosing to take it on as a career or go on about how handy a career it is.


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You worked hard, to teach geography and religion?

    Well done on your achievements, as if you had to work hard to be able to teach children of the digital age about glacial erosion and make-believe, your starting point must have been pretty low.

    Good to see that there are still teachers entering the system with little interest in preparing youngsters for a life in the real world.

    You absolute wind-up artist.


  • #88
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Amazing that Troll posts are not as obvious.


  • #89
    Hoboo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    JayZeus wrote: »
    You worked hard, to teach geography and religion?

    Well done on your achievements, as if you had to work hard to be able to teach children of the digital age about glacial erosion and make-believe, your starting point must have been pretty low.

    Good to see that there are still teachers entering the system with little interest in preparing youngsters for a life in the real world.

    You absolute wind-up artist.

    Now that you say it......although religion isn't about prayers and hymns, it's about understanding the different religions and cultures and to be respectful. I was thought impure thoughts were bad. It's not like that anymore. It's very much preparing people for the real life world, I have clients from UAE, India, China, Israel etc, I had to teach myself what is thought now (although both my bro and mum teach religion which helped).

    Im not religious btw, even my family question everything now after being lough derg stalwarts.

    Point being, religion as a subject now isn't what it was. And it's very useful in the world, and especially an international corporate world if that's where you end up.


  • #90
    Hoboo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Amazing that Troll posts are not as obvious.

    I'm not so sure it's a troll, they tend to start threads and run,.or with very little input (let alone interactive and responsive).


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  • #91
    Corkgirl18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Corkgirl18


    How many hours per week would you put into prep/planning/extra curriculars over your 18 hours?


  • #92
    Montage of Feck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Why pay some smuck to teach religion? There plenty of crazy people who want to spread the "good news" free gratis.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • #93
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,637 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Rodin wrote: »
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    That doesn't sound all that different to start they get - the only issue being times when you fail to provide work or holiday pay. Your plan doesn't add up to 52 weeks (unless you're suggesting running schools 46 weeks a year, which I'm not entirely sure is a healthy balance for a child, especially in primary)

    Unpaid leave for the balance then.
    Should only get paid for what they work.

    How are going to get someone to sign up for ANY longtern salaried job with large amounts of unpaid leave they year?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #94
    Homelander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭Homelander


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    *Whether

    Also 36 and on 47k a year pre tax without a partner...... Good luck ever owning a property.


    With decent savings and 47K a year you'd easily afford a property outside Dublin, a nice house in many counties, or a decent apartment in some of the other urban areas (or a very nice one if willing to commute).


  • #95
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    TimeToShine wrote: »
    Teaching is great in your 20s and 30s but then when you get a bit older and most of your friends are advancing in dynamic careers, meeting interesting people from abroad, developing new perspectives and coming into their prime as leaders, influencers and potentially becoming authorities in certain fields you'll be stuck talking the same old insular ****e to the same old people who do the same thing as you day in day out.

    I don't begrudge teachers in the slightest, in fact I pity them slightly since we have to make this decision at such a young age and teaching really has zero room for maneuver.

    Each to their own however.

    I've all that in my career.....I'd rather have the money and spare time tbh. Suppose everyone is motivated by different things.


  • #96
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,790 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Montage of Feck wrote: »
    Why pay some smuck to teach religion? There plenty of crazy people who want to spread the "good news" free gratis.

    The OP knows enough about teaching to know that geography and religion are two of the lowest regarded subjects (not necessarily rightly so) and it is very unlikely that anyone would get a full time job just teaching those two subjects.

    For anyone actually teaching religion - or at least teaching it properly - it is nothing to do with 'spreading good news' and everything to to do with studying different religions, the history, influence, politics and psychology etc. Very little religion is taught 'properly'.


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  • #97
    irishguitarlad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    My experience with secondary school teachers has been mostly negative. Out of the 10 or 12 that I had in my school only two were sound. The rest were the biggest shower of assholes you could meet. Then with my family there are 4 who are teachers and my god how pretentious, self righteous and up their own arseholes they are. They finished their degrees and training and never picked up a book again yet they think they know everything. In any family get together they all sit together and look down on all the rest. They always try and give you "advice" that doesn't fit in with you personality, they just do It to feel like they're more worldy. I believe this sense of superiority comes from lording It everyday over little Johnny from Scartaglen who doesn't know jack shít and then they come out of school and think they can treat people the same way. If I was ever on the dating scene again and the girl I was with said she was a teacher, I'd run a mile and probably get a barring order.


  • #98
    ZV Yoda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭ZV Yoda


    More power to the op (whether trolling or not).

    Teacher bashers are just about the most mind-numbingly boring people around. Baffles me that they don’t get fed up churning out the same old begrudging, I’ll-informed rubbish.

    All careers have their pros & cons. I could never be a teacher. I don’t have the patience for teaching a room of 20-30 kids / teens. I couldn’t deal with the social & family problems that affect many of them. I don’t have the temperament to deal with parents who blame everybody but themselves for their kids’ performance / behaviour. Nor could I deal with incompetent and apathetic colleagues / management.

    There are good & bad teachers. Just like there are good & bad doctors, engineers, programmers, plumbers etc.

    The money’s not great in teaching. The holidays are. The system is screwed in many ways (no performance management, lack of resources etc).

    Despite this, I think teaching is a noble profession.

    I’ve yet to meet a teacher basher who comes across as anything other than a begrudger.

    Anybody who thinks it’s a cushy number - go and become a teacher yourself. Otherwise, please take your incessant whining elsewhere.


  • #99
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    How long does it take to qualify as a teacher?

    Other half thinking of quitting her job and returning to college


  • #100
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,790 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    How long does it take to qualify as a teacher?

    Other half thinking of quitting her job and returning to college

    It depends on what qualifications she has already. You/she would be better posting in the 'Teaching and Lecturing' forum for more informed answers.


  • #101
    RhubarbCrumble
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭RhubarbCrumble


    Would Sir or Miss like some salt and vinegar for that big chip on their shoulder?


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