Thoughts of an unapologetic teacher

JizzBeans · 13-09-2019 5:25pm #1

Having read the predictable anti-teacher comments stemming from 99problems1 silly teacher post, "Advice:Become a teacher" one thing has become clear to me. Not one of you have a single objective argument to justify anti teacher sentiment. Its always the same sound bites from the usual vessels. Its just so lame.

Let me share.....
I am a 36yo and I teach religion and geography. I am on point 9 on the pay scale, which is 47k a year. I am not married. Most terms, I work approx at least 18 hours a week, but some times more depending on how many exam classes I have. Most days I finish in the afternoon or else I have a large portion of the morning off. The only work I choose to do over the summer is invigilate exams to collect a nice lump sum. Other than that, the summer is mine to relish as I see fit. Most days I go to cafes for breakfast, morning gym sessions, day trips etc, etc. I am well off AND I FREAKING LOVE IT! I worked hard to get where I am and as the title suggests, I'm not the least bit sorry.

Now, of course this attracts all sorts of judgement. From friendly slagging by family and mates to heated discussions with friends of friends in social settings. But very occasionally, I will meet some barfly or tosser in the smoking room who apparently knows better. He/She will then proceed to explain why teachers are a "joke", like I was missing this information all along. Their rants are usually composed of one or more of the following;

1. "Your a teacher? Ah you have it handy so"
2. "You lot are always looking for more money, sure your off for the summer ffs wasters"
3. "You wouldn't last in the private sector let me tell ya, we have to work for a living"
4. "Automatic wage increase is a joke,you don't deserve it"
5. "Always f**king going on strike"
6. "I cant believe my taxes are paying for this bullsh*t"
7. "Sure ya cant fired, lazy b*stards"

Soooooooooooooo unoriginal.

Yes,
I am off for the summer, its great. Of course I want more money. Why the F would I want to be in the private sector?? Its awful. Wage increases are the best. Striking is a day off. My tax pays for sh*t too.

I have often made the point that If you want those perks then become a teacher. If you fundamentally disagree with how teaching is conducted in Ireland then make a complaint to the dept. of education/local TD or get elected and change the system. Otherwise I don't want to hear your dull commoner opinions. However my comebacks are usually always met with "yeah well teachers are a still joke" or some such muttering.

Unless someone can provide a solid, objective reason to justify anti-teacher sentiment, I can only assume the root cause of this agitation is (1.) Jealousy, (2.) Hate their own job and are miserable in it (3.) Not the brightest.

So, that is the perspective of an unapologetic teacher. For those of you who still have a problem with my profession I will leave you with two thoughts:

1. Not my fault you picked an unsatisfying career
2. I just don't give a Fu*k

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-09-2019 5:28pm

18 hours a week

You must be exhausted

rizzodun · 13-09-2019 5:29pm

With the way that post is constructed, with it's rambling points leading nowhere, thank **** you don't teach English.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-09-2019 5:29pm

The reason no one gives a **** about teachers is because no one gives a **** about kids, Frequently, not even the parents.

13-09-2019 5:30pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

Having read the predictable anti-teacher comments stemming from 99problems1 silly teacher post, "Advice:Become a teacher" one thing has become clear to me. Not one of you have a single objective argument to justify anti teacher sentiment. Its always the same sound bites from the usual vessels. Its just so lame.

Let me share.....
I am a 36yo and I teach religion and geography. I am on point 9 on the pay scale, which is 47k a year. I am not married. Most terms, I work approx at least 18 hours a week, but some times more depending on how many exam classes I have. Most days I finish in the afternoon or else I have a large portion of the morning off. The only work I choose to do over the summer is invigilate exams to collect a nice lump sum. Other than that, the summer is mine to relish as I see fit. Most days I go to cafes for breakfast, morning gym sessions, day trips etc, etc. I am well off AND I FREAKING LOVE IT! I worked hard to get where I am and as the title suggests, I'm not the least bit sorry.

This is a genuinely good effort, can't wait to see where this goes.

jimmycrackcorm · 13-09-2019 5:32pm

Teachers are always whining about pay. But you never see a shortage of teachers.

JizzBeans · 13-09-2019 5:33pm

For real my friend! Not posted five minutes and the champs in here are proving my point lol

tomwaits48 · 13-09-2019 5:34pm

So you don’t give a **** but start a thread on the internet to defend your choice of profession....right....

Plumbthedepths · 13-09-2019 5:35pm

As troll posts go....a C-

freshpopcorn · 13-09-2019 5:37pm

Mod NoteClosed for review!

poisonated · 14-09-2019 8:41pm

with a name like that, you sound very mature. Thank you for your “18 hours” of service a week. Have a great day!

fmul9798 · 14-09-2019 8:44pm

It is rather unfortunate that teachers still have such significant issues with basic grammar.

TheValeyard · 14-09-2019 8:46pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As troll posts go....a C-

Grading system has changed. No more A,B,C.

It's either 'In Line with Expectations' for JC

Or for LC higher level maybe a H4

BDI · 14-09-2019 8:46pm

It’s not your fault. Teachers start their career wanting to make a difference but they are brainwashed by the rot in the public service.

Unionized by little dark haired men with little bellies telling them to slow down.

They lose all touch with reality after two or three years.

Fecal merry go round.

Rodin · 14-09-2019 8:50pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

Having read the predictable anti-teacher comments stemming from 99problems1 silly teacher post, "Advice:Become a teacher" one thing has become clear to me. Not one of you have a single objective argument to justify anti teacher sentiment. Its always the same sound bites from the usual vessels. Its just so lame.

Let me share.....
I am a 36yo and I teach religion and geography. I am on point 9 on the pay scale, which is 47k a year. I am not married. Most terms, I work approx at least 18 hours a week, but some times more depending on how many exam classes I have. Most days I finish in the afternoon or else I have a large portion of the morning off. The only work I choose to do over the summer is invigilate exams to collect a nice lump sum. Other than that, the summer is mine to relish as I see fit. Most days I go to cafes for breakfast, morning gym sessions, day trips etc, etc. I am well off AND I FREAKING LOVE IT! I worked hard to get where I am and as the title suggests, I'm not the least bit sorry.

Now, of course this attracts all sorts of judgement. From friendly slagging by family and mates to heated discussions with friends of friends in social settings. But very occasionally, I will meet some barfly or tosser in the smoking room who apparently knows better. He/She will then proceed to explain why teachers are a "joke", like I was missing this information all along. Their rants are usually composed of one or more of the following;

1. "Your a teacher? Ah you have it handy so"
2. "You lot are always looking for more money, sure your off for the summer ffs wasters"
3. "You wouldn't last in the private sector let me tell ya, we have to work for a living"
4. "Automatic wage increase is a joke,you don't deserve it"
5. "Always f**king going on strike"
6. "I cant believe my taxes are paying for this bullsh*t"
7. "Sure ya cant fired, lazy b*stards"

Soooooooooooooo unoriginal.

Yes,
I am off for the summer, its great. Of course I want more money. Why the F would I want to be in the private sector?? Its awful. Wage increases are the best. Striking is a day off. My tax pays for sh*t too.

I have often made the point that If you want those perks then become a teacher. If you fundamentally disagree with how teaching is conducted in Ireland then make a complaint to the dept. of education/local TD or get elected and change the system. Otherwise I don't want to hear your dull commoner opinions. However my comebacks are usually always met with "yeah well teachers are a still joke" or some such muttering.

Unless someone can provide a solid, objective reason to justify anti-teacher sentiment, I can only assume the root cause of this agitation is (1.) Jealousy, (2.) Hate their own job and are miserable in it (3.) Not the brightest.

So, that is the perspective of an unapologetic teacher. For those of you who still have a problem with my profession I will leave you with two thoughts:

1. Not my fault you picked an unsatisfying career
2. I just don't give a Fu*k

Hardly a surprise you're single.
I was always told, "those who can do, those who can't, teach."

Pity you can't find a partner or buy an apostrophe with all your time and money.

byhookorbycrook · 14-09-2019 8:55pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Teachers are always whining about pay. But you never see a shortage of teachers.

Ermmmmm................

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0422/1044946-teacher-substitute-panels/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/secondary-schools-undermined-by-irish-teacher-shortage-survey-finds-1.3767251

https://www.thejournal.ie/teachers-sharing-4511380-Feb2019/

salmocab · 14-09-2019 8:55pm

I’ve no beef with teachers, I’m jealous of the holidays but don't begrudge them the holidays, don’t think they deserve them but that’s the deal they got and best of luck to them with it.

Rodin · 14-09-2019 8:57pm

It's the yapping from teachers that annoys people
They've some of the best working conditions and pay per hours worked of any public job.

Yet no sector of the workforce complains more about their pay and conditions.

BDI · 14-09-2019 8:58pm

Rodin wrote: »

It's the yapping from teachers that annoys people
They've some of the best working conditions and pay per hours worked of any public job.

Yet no sector of the workforce complains more about their pay and conditions.

Nurses complain a fair bit too,

Rodin · 14-09-2019 8:59pm

BDI wrote: »

Nurses complain a fair bit too,

Not as much as teachers and certainly they strike less often
Who goes on strike more often than teachers?

TheValeyard · 14-09-2019 9:02pm

Rodin wrote: »

Not as much as teachers and certainly they strike less often
Who goes on strike more often than teachers?

US Air Force.

gifted · 14-09-2019 9:05pm

Ye're great day babysitters though lol lol

wyf437gn6btzue · 14-09-2019 9:09pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

Having read the predictable anti-teacher comments stemming from 99problems1 silly teacher post, "Advice:Become a teacher" one thing has become clear to me. Not one of you have a single objective argument to justify anti teacher sentiment. Its always the same sound bites from the usual vessels. Its just so lame.

Let me share.....
I am a 36yo and I teach religion and geography. I am on point 9 on the pay scale, which is 47k a year. I am not married. Most terms, I work approx at least 18 hours a week, but some times more depending on how many exam classes I have. Most days I finish in the afternoon or else I have a large portion of the morning off. The only work I choose to do over the summer is invigilate exams to collect a nice lump sum. Other than that, the summer is mine to relish as I see fit. Most days I go to cafes for breakfast, morning gym sessions, day trips etc, etc. I am well off AND I FREAKING LOVE IT! I worked hard to get where I am and as the title suggests, I'm not the least bit sorry.

Now, of course this attracts all sorts of judgement. From friendly slagging by family and mates to heated discussions with friends of friends in social settings. But very occasionally, I will meet some barfly or tosser in the smoking room who apparently knows better. He/She will then proceed to explain why teachers are a "joke", like I was missing this information all along. Their rants are usually composed of one or more of the following;

1. "Your a teacher? Ah you have it handy so"
2. "You lot are always looking for more money, sure your off for the summer ffs wasters"
3. "You wouldn't last in the private sector let me tell ya, we have to work for a living"
4. "Automatic wage increase is a joke,you don't deserve it"
5. "Always f**king going on strike"
6. "I cant believe my taxes are paying for this bullsh*t"
7. "Sure ya cant fired, lazy b*stards"

Soooooooooooooo unoriginal.

Yes,
I am off for the summer, its great. Of course I want more money. Why the F would I want to be in the private sector?? Its awful. Wage increases are the best. Striking is a day off. My tax pays for sh*t too.

I have often made the point that If you want those perks then become a teacher. If you fundamentally disagree with how teaching is conducted in Ireland then make a complaint to the dept. of education/local TD or get elected and change the system. Otherwise I don't want to hear your dull commoner opinions. However my comebacks are usually always met with "yeah well teachers are a still joke" or some such muttering.

Unless someone can provide a solid, objective reason to justify anti-teacher sentiment, I can only assume the root cause of this agitation is (1.) Jealousy, (2.) Hate their own job and are miserable in it (3.) Not the brightest.

So, that is the perspective of an unapologetic teacher. For those of you who still have a problem with my profession I will leave you with two thoughts:

1. Not my fault you picked an unsatisfying career
2. I just don't give a Fu*k

That post or pre tax?

cj maxx · 14-09-2019 9:10pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

Having read the predictable anti-teacher comments stemming from 99problems1 silly teacher post, "Advice:Become a teacher" one thing has become clear to me. Not one of you have a single objective argument to justify anti teacher sentiment. Its always the same sound bites from the usual vessels. Its just so lame.

Let me share.....
I am a 36yo and I teach religion and geography. I am on point 9 on the pay scale, which is 47k a year. I am not married. Most terms, I work approx at least 18 hours a week, but some times more depending on how many exam classes I have. Most days I finish in the afternoon or else I have a large portion of the morning off. The only work I choose to do over the summer is invigilate exams to collect a nice lump sum. Other than that, the summer is mine to relish as I see fit. Most days I go to cafes for breakfast, morning gym sessions, day trips etc, etc. I am well off AND I FREAKING LOVE IT! I worked hard to get where I am and as the title suggests, I'm not the least bit sorry.

Now, of course this attracts all sorts of judgement. From friendly slagging by family and mates to heated discussions with friends of friends in social settings. But very occasionally, I will meet some barfly or tosser in the smoking room who apparently knows better. He/She will then proceed to explain why teachers are a "joke", like I was missing this information all along. Their rants are usually composed of one or more of the following;

1. "Your a teacher? Ah you have it handy so"
2. "You lot are always looking for more money, sure your off for the summer ffs wasters"
3. "You wouldn't last in the private sector let me tell ya, we have to work for a living"
4. "Automatic wage increase is a joke,you don't deserve it"
5. "Always f**king going on strike"
6. "I cant believe my taxes are paying for this bullsh*t"
7. "Sure ya cant fired, lazy b*stards"

Soooooooooooooo unoriginal.

Yes,
I am off for the summer, its great. Of course I want more money. Why the F would I want to be in the private sector?? Its awful. Wage increases are the best. Striking is a day off. My tax pays for sh*t too.

I have often made the point that If you want those perks then become a teacher. If you fundamentally disagree with how teaching is conducted in Ireland then make a complaint to the dept. of education/local TD or get elected and change the system. Otherwise I don't want to hear your dull commoner opinions. However my comebacks are usually always met with "yeah well teachers are a still joke" or some such muttering.

Unless someone can provide a solid, objective reason to justify anti-teacher sentiment, I can only assume the root cause of this agitation is (1.) Jealousy, (2.) Hate their own job and are miserable in it (3.) Not the brightest.

So, that is the perspective of an unapologetic teacher. For those of you who still have a problem with my profession I will leave you with two thoughts:

1. Not my fault you picked an unsatisfying career
2. I just don't give a Fu*k

You are dead right. However if I was the minister in charge you would be teaching classes for those that wanted them over a part of the summer ,as part of paid grinds or the like, and correcting exams as part of you contract.
And cameras in the teachers room to stop riding etc !!!

TimeToShine · 14-09-2019 9:12pm

Teaching is great in your 20s and 30s but then when you get a bit older and most of your friends are advancing in dynamic careers, meeting interesting people from abroad, developing new perspectives and coming into their prime as leaders, influencers and potentially becoming authorities in certain fields you'll be stuck talking the same old insular ****e to the same old people who do the same thing as you day in day out.

I don't begrudge teachers in the slightest, in fact I pity them slightly since we have to make this decision at such a young age and teaching really has zero room for maneuver.

Each to their own however.

Raconteuse · 14-09-2019 9:30pm

Rodin wrote: »

Hardly a surprise you're single.
I was always told, "those who can do, those who can't, teach."

Pity you can't find a partner or buy an apostrophe with all your time and money.

Despite the wind-uppy approach, the above is the kinda thing they mean though. Why is it hardly a surprise that they are single or a pity they can't find a partner (dunno that they can't either)? That's not really relevant.

That saying relates to people who teach something they can't make a career out of - like drama, singing, journalism, art etc. And it's not a very fair saying either because those jobs are hard to come by - only so many to go around - and it's not always lack of talent that causes people to go with the more secure option of teaching. Teachers are always gonna be needed for those disciplines anyway.

But that saying doesn't really apply to school teaching.

I don't hear teachers complain about their jobs - what I do hear them complain about is people saying they have it so easy. The job itself isn't though - some schools are terrible to work in. The easiest would be primary teaching in a quiet, small school, and I don't hear anyone doing that job complaining about it. They might whinge about parents but we all complain about some aspect of our job. I do know of people who have changed career from secondary teaching though. Even the holidays didn't entice them to stay. I wouldn't do it in a fit.

It is a good job, but I guess what baffles teachers who get moaned at just for being teachers (and nothing else) is that the moaners didn't become teachers, or that they won't accept that teachers are obviously needed, and the holidays are primarily for the pupils. Teachers definitely shouldn't get any extra pay for Department of Education work in the summer though. That does bug me. And I do see self described teachers post with terrible spelling/grammar/punctuation on social media.

Rodin · 14-09-2019 9:33pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

Despite the wind-uppy approach, the above is the kinda thing they mean though. Why is it hardly a surprise that they are single or a pity they can't find a partner (dunno that they can't either)? That's not really relevant.

That saying relates to people who teach something they can't make a career out of - like drama, singing, journalism, art etc. And it's not a very fair saying either because those jobs are hard to come by - only so many to go around - and it's not always lack of talent that causes people to go with the more secure option of teaching. Teachers are always gonna be needed for those disciplines anyway.

But that saying doesn't really apply to school teaching.

I don't hear teachers complain about their jobs - what I do hear them complain about is people saying they have it so easy. The job itself isn't though - some schools are terrible to work in. The easiest would be primary teaching in a quiet, small school, and I don't hear anyone doing that job complaining about it. They might whinge about parents but we all complain about some aspect of our job. I do know of people who have changed career from secondary teaching though. Even the holidays didn't entice them to stay. I wouldn't do it in a fit.

It is a good job, but I guess what baffles teachers who get moaned at just for being teachers (and nothing else) is that the moaners didn't become teachers, or that they won't accept that teachers are obviously needed, and the holidays are primarily for the pupils. Teachers definitely shouldn't get any extra pay for Department of Education work in the summer though. That does bug me. And I do see self described teachers post with terrible spelling/grammar/punctuation on social media.

It's the moaning that annoys others.
Many have tough jobs but they're too busy doing those jobs to be giving out or crying about it.

Teachers seem to have plenty of time for both. Not surprising given their part-time hours.

JizzBeans · 14-09-2019 9:33pm

Rodin wrote: »

Hardly a surprise you're single.
I was always told, "those who can do, those who can't, teach."

Pity you can't find a partner or buy an apostrophe with all your time and money.

I never said I was single, pity you can't read.

14-09-2019 9:34pm

Teachers are the real heroes. And they don't even wear a cape during daylight hours.

Rodin · 14-09-2019 9:34pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

I never said I was single, pity you can't read.

Single as in unmarried.

TheValeyard · 14-09-2019 9:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Teachers are the real heroes. And they don't even wear a cape during daylight hours.

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JizzBeans · 14-09-2019 9:40pm

As i described, typical anti teacher sentiment with zero substance. Only poorly disguised begrudgery.

storker · 14-09-2019 9:44pm

Rodin wrote: »

Hardly a surprise you're single.
I was always told, "those who can do, those who can't, teach."

An unconvincing cliche which in fact applies more to other professions e.g. salesmen teaching other salesmen how to sell instead of making a pile doing it themselves. School teaching is itself a form of "doing", and like most other professions, the ability ranges between excellent and terrible. Whenever I hear someone claiming that "teacher=failure", that tells me more about that individual than it does about teachers.

14-09-2019 9:44pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

As i described, typical anti teacher sentiment with zero substance. Only poorly disguised begrudgery.

You're a poorly disguised wind-up merchant.

JizzBeans · 14-09-2019 9:57pm

salmocab wrote: »

I’ve no beef with teachers, I’m jealous of the holidays but don't begrudge them the holidays, don’t think they deserve them but that’s the deal they got and best of luck to them with it.

What a silly comment. Weather I "deserve" them or not is not the point. ITS THE JOB. Did you even read my post?

Rodin · 14-09-2019 9:59pm

storker wrote: »

An unconvincing cliche which in fact applies more to other professions e.g. salesmen teaching other salesmen how to sell instead of making a pile doing it themselves. School teaching is itself a form of "doing", and like most other professions, the ability ranges between excellent and terrible. Whenever I hear someone claiming that "teacher=failure", that tells me more about that individual than it does about teachers.

Clearly never studied French.

Hoboo · 14-09-2019 9:59pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

Having read the predictable anti-teacher comments stemming from 99problems1 silly teacher post, "Advice:Become a teacher" one thing has become clear to me. Not one of you have a single objective argument to justify anti teacher sentiment. Its always the same sound bites from the usual vessels. Its just so lame.

Let me share.....
I am a 36yo and I teach religion and geography. I am on point 9 on the pay scale, which is 47k a year. I am not married. Most terms, I work approx at least 18 hours a week, but some times more depending on how many exam classes I have. Most days I finish in the afternoon or else I have a large portion of the morning off. The only work I choose to do over the summer is invigilate exams to collect a nice lump sum. Other than that, the summer is mine to relish as I see fit. Most days I go to cafes for breakfast, morning gym sessions, day trips etc, etc. I am well off AND I FREAKING LOVE IT! I worked hard to get where I am and as the title suggests, I'm not the least bit sorry.

Now, of course this attracts all sorts of judgement. From friendly slagging by family and mates to heated discussions with friends of friends in social settings. But very occasionally, I will meet some barfly or tosser in the smoking room who apparently knows better. He/She will then proceed to explain why teachers are a "joke", like I was missing this information all along. Their rants are usually composed of one or more of the following;

1. "Your a teacher? Ah you have it handy so"
2. "You lot are always looking for more money, sure your off for the summer ffs wasters"
3. "You wouldn't last in the private sector let me tell ya, we have to work for a living"
4. "Automatic wage increase is a joke,you don't deserve it"
5. "Always f**king going on strike"
6. "I cant believe my taxes are paying for this bullsh*t"
7. "Sure ya cant fired, lazy b*stards"

Soooooooooooooo unoriginal.

Yes,
I am off for the summer, its great. Of course I want more money. Why the F would I want to be in the private sector?? Its awful. Wage increases are the best. Striking is a day off. My tax pays for sh*t too.

I have often made the point that If you want those perks then become a teacher. If you fundamentally disagree with how teaching is conducted in Ireland then make a complaint to the dept. of education/local TD or get elected and change the system. Otherwise I don't want to hear your dull commoner opinions. However my comebacks are usually always met with "yeah well teachers are a still joke" or some such muttering.

Unless someone can provide a solid, objective reason to justify anti-teacher sentiment, I can only assume the root cause of this agitation is (1.) Jealousy, (2.) Hate their own job and are miserable in it (3.) Not the brightest.

So, that is the perspective of an unapologetic teacher. For those of you who still have a problem with my profession I will leave you with two thoughts:

1. Not my fault you picked an unsatisfying career
2. I just don't give a Fu*k

I agree with choosing the wrong profession. Anyone could have done it, but they didn't.

What does piss me off is the lack of CPD required, and you can literally get a 2:2 and once you're in you're on the train.

Teachers are rarely if ever fired for underperformance, they have a bs class and teaching methods assessment from time to time, and although there are some brilliant teachers for the most part, there are some absolute wasters who couldn't learn let alone teach.

My brother is a teacher, my mam was a teacher, so I see/saw what it entails, and it ain't all gravy, it's not just teaching the curriculum, and hats off. But I'd like to see a more professional and stringent approach to job retention. If you're not good enough, change profession, same as the rest of us, not just turn up for 6 months a year for 35 years and do nothing but **** other's lives up.

Btw.complaing to the dept does nothing, maintaining the status quo is paramount. The main champions of change should be the teachers, but that'd mean hard work, and who wants to rock the boat they're drinking champs in.

hynesie08 · 14-09-2019 9:59pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

What a silly comment. Weather I "deserve" them or not is not the point. ITS THE JOB. Did you even read my post?

*Whether

Also 36 and on 47k a year pre tax without a partner...... Good luck ever owning a property.

JizzBeans · 14-09-2019 9:59pm

Rodin wrote: »

It's the yapping from teachers that annoys people
They've some of the best working conditions and pay per hours worked of any public job.

Yet no sector of the workforce complains more about their pay and conditions.

Farmers
Nurses
Luas drivers
Bus drivers
Army

Rodin · 14-09-2019 10:01pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

Farmers
Nurses
Luas drivers
Bus drivers
Army

None strike as often as teachers.
Army aren't allowed to strike to the best of my knowledge and are getting completely shafted because of it.

Beef farmers are getting shafted too and are right to stand up for themselves.

JizzBeans · 14-09-2019 10:02pm

cjmc wrote: »

You are dead right. However if I was the minister in charge you would be teaching classes for those that wanted them over a part of the summer ,as part of paid grinds or the like, and correcting exams as part of you contract.
And cameras in the teachers room to stop riding etc !!!

Some good ideas there for sure, but unless you don something about it, its just words.

JizzBeans · 14-09-2019 10:05pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Teaching is great in your 20s and 30s but then when you get a bit older and most of your friends are advancing in dynamic careers, meeting interesting people from abroad, developing new perspectives and coming into their prime as leaders, influencers and potentially becoming authorities in certain fields you'll be stuck talking the same old insular ****e to the same old people who do the same thing as you day in day out.

I don't begrudge teachers in the slightest, in fact I pity them slightly since we have to make this decision at such a young age and teaching really has zero room for maneuver.

Each to their own however.

Right....well why don't you share with us something about your high flying dynamic career and the interesting people you met?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 14-09-2019 10:06pm

Question:
How much do people think teachers should be paid?
And what should the holiday scenario be?

Rodin · 14-09-2019 10:09pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Question:
How much do people think teachers should be paid?
And what should the holiday scenario be?

About 20euro per hour worked.
6 weeks paid excl bank hols.

JizzBeans · 14-09-2019 10:09pm

Rodin wrote: »

Single as in unmarried.

Whatever, you prove my point. Irrelevant passive aggressive reply with no substance

Rodin · 14-09-2019 10:10pm

JizzBeans wrote: »

Whatever, you prove my point. Irrelevant passive aggressive reply with no substance

True. Your aggression was much more overt.

JizzBeans · 14-09-2019 10:17pm

Hoboo wrote: »

I agree with choosing the wrong profession. Anyone could have done it, but they didn't.

What does piss me off is the lack of CPD required, and you can literally get a 2:2 and once you're in you're on the train.

Teachers are rarely if ever fired for underperformance, they have a bs class and teaching methods assessment from time to time, and although there are some brilliant teachers for the most part, there are some absolute wasters who couldn't learn let alone teach.

My brother is a teacher, my mam was a teacher, so I see/saw what it entails, and it ain't all gravy, it's not just teaching the curriculum, and hats off. But I'd like to see a more professional and stringent approach to job retention. If you're not good enough, change profession, same as the rest of us, not just turn up for 6 months a year for 35 years and do nothing but **** other's lives up.

Btw.complaing to the dept does nothing, maintaining the status quo is paramount. The main champions of change should be the teachers, but that'd mean hard work, and who wants to rock the boat they're drinking champs in.

I agree to certain extent. But again, these are flaws in the system, NOT the employees. If your such a hard worker and so concerned then why don't you get elected and change the system?

road_high · 14-09-2019 10:20pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Teachers are always whining about pay. But you never see a shortage of teachers.

Isn’t there a huge shortage especially in technical subjects? More money and easier life elsewhere

storker · 14-09-2019 10:21pm

Rodin wrote: »

Clearly never studied French.

Wrong again. Honours leaving cert French, lived and worked in France. I'm no longer fluent but I can still handle myself pretty well in a conversation, decades later.

JizzBeans · 14-09-2019 10:23pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

*Whether

Also 36 and on 47k a year pre tax without a partner...... Good luck ever owning a property.

Ah grammar correction, classic "I have no valid point" move.

Thanks but this has nothing to do with owning property, please read post. Refer to reason 3 for anti teacher agitation

Rodin · 14-09-2019 10:23pm

storker wrote: »

Wrong again. Honours leaving cert French, lived and worked in France. I'm no longer fluent but I can still handle myself pretty well in a conversation, decades later.

Must I acutely point out the problem with 'cliche' ?

Thoughts of an unapologetic teacher

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