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Deleted User wrote: »The 1% will pay of course.
Only 1% of the population contribute to general taxation
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Bass Reeves wrote: »I would not bet on that alit of people taught that about property tax as well and it failed to sell in the.mid 90's yet we had it 15 years later
No Bass, the big difference is that the Ashton Gate lads are working the property and......and ....there are exceptions and exemptions.
In my opinion anything that will get everyone will have the bullhorn bhoys out on the road.Once there’s forms to be signed she’s a dead mallard.
Only way is slap a charge on EVERY HOUSEHOLD Revenue run.
No nods and winks, no fixers involved, no auld old soldiers tolerated and make sure the word ‘water’ is nowhere near it.
Call it the ‘Paddy Power Biro and Betting Slip charge’ or sommit.
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Brendan Bendar wrote: »No Bass, the big difference is that the Ashton Gate lads are working the property and......and ....there are exceptions and exemptions.
In my opinion anything that will get everyone will have the bullhorn bhoys out on the road.Once there’s forms to be signed she’s a dead mallard.
Only way is slap a charge on EVERY HOUSEHOLD Revenue run.
No nods and winks, no fixers involved, no auld old soldiers tolerated and make sure the word ‘water’ is nowhere near it.
Call it the ‘Paddy Power Biro and Betting Slip charge’ or sommit.
I have already posted that the mistake made in 2012 was not to bring in a flat charge and as you say no exemptions. Bring it in at 100/ house for either water or sewer and find it that way. Labour looking over its shoulder at the Greens wobbled the last time
If you fail to pay deduct from SW, TAX credit, pension etc. No point in protesting a as it can be collected anyway.Slava Ukrainii
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Deleted User wrote: »Don’t you know that the top 1% pay as much taxes as the bottom 90%? So the loony lefty’s tell us. They also reckon that that 1% should pay more!
Don`t you know that from a Credit Suisse report the top 1% own more than half the worlds wealth.
Anyway,regardless of that small matter,what tax are you talking about
Latest figures I have found on the breakdown of tax revenue show:
Income tax 40%
V.A.T 27%
Corporation Tax 16%
Excise and Customs Duty 12%
Property Tax and Capital Taxes 5%
Are you saying that the top 1% pay as much of all those taxes as the bottom 90%.?
Btw, is the irony lost to you that in relation to the matter under discussion, water charges, that one of the principal benefactors financially from the madcap scheme (and who now has his snout in the National Broadband plan trough as well) is a tax exile.:pac::pac:0 -
Only 1% of the population contribute to general taxation
I must have missed that :rolleyes:
M84 has had many opportunities to support her claim that the exact water usage of those without meters can be calculated. That was her claim. She has been challenged numerous time to support it but all we've got is "ask the plumber" or "look at the article I posted". So she is little more that a toothless tiger - full of smart remarks and hot air.
No doubt there'll be another smart-ass response from her to this. But you can be sure of one things, she will NOT explain how the exact usage of non-metered homes can be accurately measured.
The fact of the matter remains that IW (despite their claims) cannot measure the usage of non-metered homes and they therefore cannot charge those homes for what they use.
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The principal benefactors for water charges were Irish people who could have finally had a sustainable water network that promotes conservation. This is why all enviromentalists wanted water charges. This is why nearly all countries use them. Instead Me Feinism prevailed and we have to endure with a underfunded, polluted system that promotes selfishness and waste.Don`t you know that from a Credit Suisse report the top 1% own more than half the worlds wealth.
Anyway,regardless of that small matter,what tax are you talking about
Latest figures I have found on the breakdown of tax revenue show:
Income tax 40%
V.A.T 27%
Corporation Tax 16%
Excise and Customs Duty 12%
Property Tax and Capital Taxes 5%
Are you saying that the top 1% pay as much of all those taxes as the bottom 90%.?
Btw, is the irony lost to you that in relation to the matter under discussion, water charges, that one of the principal benefactors financially from the madcap scheme (and who now has his snout in the National Broadband plan trough as well) is a tax exile.:pac::pac:0 -
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,Yellow_Fern wrote: »Many leaks occur in peoples properties. Meters are an excellent way to fight such leaks, in fact it is the only way to find hidden leaks in peoples homes without hiring professionals. Irish Water have published examples of obvious leaks in domestic settings found with meters but you'd rather water be wasted and peoples homes be damaged?
There is plenty of evidence that volumetric charging of water reduces consumption. Read OECD (2010). Greening Household Behaviour: The Role of Public Policy.Residential Water Use. OECD 2011
The idea that there is backdoor privatisation is mad stuff like Soros level. There is very little money to be made in water. It is odd that such a negative attitude to privatisation exists. Privatisation has been successful in Ireland. From the Luas to the air industry to bus routes. Even in telecommunications, privatisation has resulted in vastly superior service. How easy it is to forget terrible dealing with Telecom Eircom was in the 1990s when it was in state ownership and now we can choose from a range of operators depending on our needs. Not only is service better but is also cheaper. That been said water is a natural monopoly and it is hard to privatise well.
Id encourage everyone to get meters. It is the adult thing to do. Protect our water and protect your property.
Since you ask I would regarded the conserving of water same as I would in any undertaking. Spend your resources on the main problem, i.e mains leaks before you go messing around at minor problem. Pretty much what we were told would happen by Enda Kenny with his "world class service" before metering would even be considered.
You must be having a Soros like moment yourself if you believe the then sudden government concern for the potential damage of leaking pipes to private dwellings and the 130 Million euro plus bribe offer of taxpayers money were anything remotely connection to conservation. They were both expensive scams at the taxpayers expense for no other reason than to get households to "engage" with Irish Water.
As to your reference to te O.E.C.D. Like the E.U. until the E.C.J clipped their wings, they have always been cheerleaders for water charges on the basis of wastage, but I have already shown you that as a nation our householders do not waste water. We are among the lowest per capita household users of water in the O.E.C.D. at 108 cubic meters. Over 50% less than our nearest metered neighbours.
If you believe that privatisation of water was not the ultimate aim, then I am not alone in believing it was and there are quite a few others that believe the same.Fergus O Dowd the then FG Junior Minister in charge of implementing the metering fiasco has stated in the Dail chamber he believes privatisation was the envisaged end game, as has our own C.S.O. in their correspondence with Eurostat in their effort to get Irish Water off the books.
Any sign of that referendum we were promised that if passed would ensure water services could never be privatised
There is a lot of money to be made from privatising water services, or do you believe private companies scramble to get involved just to fulfill a civic duty ?
Again if you look to our nearest neighbour, there is no evidence that due to the privatisation of water services, conservation brings households monetary reward. Their experience is that when consumption drops prices increase, and any water conserved is auctioned off by these private companies to the business sector at reduced bulk rates.0 -
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Leaks waste water. can you provide a citation for your clam on per capita use?,
Since you ask I would regarded the conserving of water same as I would in any undertaking. Spend your resources on the main problem, i.e mains leaks before you go messing around at minor problem. Pretty much what we were told would happen by Enda Kenny with his "world class service" before metering would even be considered.
You must be having a Soros like moment yourself if you believe the then sudden government concern for the potential damage of leaking pipes to private dwellings and the 130 Million euro plus bribe offer of taxpayers money were anything remotely connection to conservation. They were both expensive scams at the taxpayers expense for no other reason than to get households to "engage" with Irish Water.
As to your reference to te O.E.C.D. Like the E.U. until the E.C.J clipped their wings, they have always been cheerleaders for water charges on the basis of wastage, but I have already shown you that as a nation our householders do not waste water. We are among the lowest per capita household users of water in the O.E.C.D. at 108 cubic meters. Over 50% less than our nearest metered neighbours.
If you believe that privatisation of water was not the ultimate aim, then I am not alone in believing it was and there are quite a few others that believe the same.Fergus O Dowd the then FG Junior Minister in charge of implementing the metering fiasco has stated in the Dail chamber he believes privatisation was the envisaged end game, as has our own C.S.O. in their correspondence with Eurostat in their effort to get Irish Water off the books.
Any sign of that referendum we were promised that if passed would ensure water services could never be privatised
There is a lot of money to be made from privatising water services, or do you believe private companies scramble to get involved just to fulfill a civic duty ?
Again if you look to our nearest neighbour, there is no evidence that due to the privatisation of water services, conservation brings households monetary reward. Their experience is that when consumption drops prices increase, and any water conserved is auctioned off by these private companies to the business sector at reduced bulk rates.
To be honest I dont worry too much on per capita use. I want to preserve our waterways and growing water demand is threatening this. Look at Irish Water annual reports. They detail how a small about leaks in peoples homes waste huge amounts of water.0 -
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