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Ghostbusters Afterlife (Jason Reitman)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,109 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Slightly OT but I saw the Ms. Ghostbusters movie the other day and it's nowhere near as bad as reported/expected. It's not amazing, but I wouldn't have said it's much worse than Ghostbusters 2; few laughs, & a similar silly vibe to the originals (which this new one doesn't seem to have from the trailer, though some of that may be the non-NY setting).



  • Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭doney84


    "This is it, this is definitely it ..."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    "Hey, have you missed us?" 😭😭



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    No, YOU are crying



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭conorhal


    "Chewie, we're home.." How'd that work out for ya? Beware the 'memberberries, to dissapointment that path leads.

    Perhaps I just have a heart of stone. Also, why do the ghosts look like absolute $h1t in all these trailers? For some bizarre reason both this and the 2016 version somehow managed to make the ghost effects from 1984 look superior. They seem kind of opaque and an action scene involving ghosts in very bright daylight just feels off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    Yea I kinda agree, the ghosts out in the day light does feel off but has kinda grown on me over the trailers. Its no New York for sure.

    In fairness, the Chewie line did work for me in that one movie but the return of the character disappointed me overall the trilogy.

    Hopefully, this works out better though as the director is a genuine fan with a major connection to the original.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'd have to click back but I'm fairly sure I was quite enthused about this at the start; the idea of meshing Ghostbusters with "kids solve mysteries in Small Town America" gelled with me. But the more I've read and seen, especially in regards just how deferential it looks to the original film - down to returning villains and iconography 'n all - has cooled that energy a little. Not to the extent that I'm suddenly against the film, but a bit disappointed just how much of a nostalgic handjob it appears to be.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,650 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    I wonder if it’s a combination of higher definition screens and pandering to a younger audience.


    That being said all the bite size teasers are all tailored for the nostalgia factor. 🙈



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    So far the letterboxd reviews on this in my feed are all over the place. 4 stars and 1 stars very little consensus thus far, definitely looks to be one that'll divide opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    some reviewers are seeing the fan service to the old movies as a bad thing , i can't wait



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Fan service is like dessert, as I see it; nice as a treat & surprise, but you wouldn't want a whole meal made of cake either. And the time you try that, you quickly hit a wall of sugar. My worry is the fan service has overpowered the intention to write a good story, and characters within.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Tickets booked for Friday night. Looking forward to it :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    saw it and loved it , complete love letter to the original movie . make sure you stay till the very end of the credits are as there are extra bits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,111 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Fan reviews that I've seen seem mainly positive, complete nostalgiafest but after the hammering the last version got not really surprising. Will definitely go to see it in the cinema. The original is probably my first cinema memory and having the shite scared out of me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,564 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Remember the cards bit in the original movie, he shocks the dudes despite them even getting it correct and leaves the girls pretty much off the hook when they get it wrong well it was a take on that with Bill Murray and Sigourney Weaver.

    We stayed when Sigourneys name came up and were thinking hang on where was she in it and scene started seconds later and low and behold...

    Pretty sure Sigourney Weaver was in an after credits scene in the 2016 yolk too actually iirc.

    Post edited by Wrongway1985 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    I thought it was fine, worth a look but likely won't revisit sort of job.

    Pure nostalgia trip as told, the mini mallows seemed to come out of nowhere without much reasoning, very much out of place as entertaining as it sorta was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Believed he just meant before the after credits scene.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,564 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    After the credits I meant. I left before the credits rolled

    answered above.



  • Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭doney84


    There is a second post credit scene at the very end with Janine & Winston.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    Absolutely brilliant from start to finish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    Seen it today. Really enjoyed it. Kids loved it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I was wondering what the fan opinion was.

    what age were you when you saw the original?

    there was a couple with a very small child at the screening I went to - way too young for the original even - but there wasn’t a peep out of her.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I thought the same thing when seeing Weaver’s name - a moment of wondering how I could have missed something like that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I’m surprised Olivia Wilde was uncredited.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭ThePott


    The screening I went to had a lot of kids at it, one even came with his dad and they were both dressed up with proton packs. One kid, a little girl who I'd say was less than 8 was sitting in the same row as me was excitedly pointing out the characters on screen from the original and asking whether Muncher was Slimer. Even heard her ask if Carrie Coon's character was meant to be Holtzmann from Ghostbuster 2016 which was sweet. There was a few moments she found a bit scary or intense though. Heard more than one person now say there were plenty of kids going to see it with their families.

    It's very interesting to see and think they've struck a good balance here in a way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I saw the headline of a review on Google calling the film “ethnically dubious” - I moved on. I will not give that website the click.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    Not from start to finish but they are well aware of the characters and theme etc. When they were younger they would scoff at 80's special effects. It's only now ( eldest is 14) that they can appreciate the older films.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,111 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    When did it screen here, 84/85? So I would have been 5 or 6.

    Childrens / family movies from the 80s are far removed from what's acceptable nowadays. I watched Raiders of the Lost Ark recently and its very violent (relatively speaking), as is Temple of Doom. Likewise things like the Goonies, quite dark in parts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    Yes it is easy to forget that Indy, Goonies, etc. are like that.

    there are a few times in Afterlife though where some nasty scenes of 80s horror films are showing on a TV.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    The whole cast was great - I expected Wolfhard to be the clichéd pissed off teen desperate to get back to his friends but they didn’t do with him and he is actually quite likeable, a lot more so than Mike Wheeler ;p

    However McKenna Grace was beyond question the star here.

    Really hope this does great box office and we get more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I have a question - Is this a spoiler free thread?

    Not related to this movie - been a long long time since I’ve seen either of the originals. Is Ghostbusters 2 ambiguous about whether Venkman is the father of Dana’s baby or is he definitely not the father?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    That is two very cool little stories about those kids.

    Two things I always wanted in life - a hover board and a proton pack.

    that little girl is being raised right :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I can’t believe they put that but in a trailer .

    I was expecting Ackroyd to be in it in some fashion - although Annie Potts’ early appearance did make me think that she was going to be the only one of the original - and after the way the call with Pheobe ended I knew he would show up in person to help near the end but I certainly wasn’t expecting a reunion.

    very glad I didn’t know it was coming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Her enthusiasm was infectious, really helped my own enjoyment of the film. Personally, I was born in 92, so I never had a new Ghostbusters film my whole life and one of my earliest memories was watching the first film on TV and have loved them since. She was definitely my spirit animal haha.

    A lot of people were coming up after the screening to try the proton packs on and flick the switches on them. Was very cool.

    Counterpoint, I just remembered. When they screened the original in the cinema in 2019, I went to see it. There was a mom there with two kids and the kids didn't seem that taken with it. Asked a lot of questions and seemed a little bored :(



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭ThePott


    I honestly didn't ask but I would have assumed bought. If they were home made this guy was a pro. Had all the correct sounds, working lights. Think I heard them playing the theme music as well. They had ghost traps too. They were very legit looking haha



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  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭neirbloom


    Marks another one who's still up in arms over the treatment the 2016 reboot got that he's allowed his judgement over this new one to cloud his review of Afterlife, I mean come on to say the 2016 version was doing something fresh while critizieing Afterlife as nostalgia bait is a bit rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    oh man , the first credit sting is pure comedy gold riff on the first movie and the second is a set up



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭ThePott


    I agree I normally find Kermode to be a good critic but he was off with this one in my opinion. When he said the 2016 one turned things on it's head he completely lost me.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    To give Kermode his due, 2016 was, ultimately, nowhere near the crime and travesty the controversy and rage deserved. And let's not undersell it, there was proper, misdirected rage. The 2016 film was a bit wet fart and colossal mistake - but it was far from the polemic some claimed it to be. It had potential but Feig was the wrong director; the cast were good (bar Kate McKinnon, who was on her own planet), but needed a stronger script and better director who could keep the tone straight. The comedy was all over the place, going from improv to farce, to observational within single scenes.

    That's all to say, it was a deeply mediocre, unadventurous film. Maybe there's a touch of revisionism with some people, but after the embarrassing war declared over the film, I can get why some have tried to parse it in a more neutral light; with the dust settled and the rage-oholics having moved on to Bond, or Star Wars or whatnot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭doney84


    Venkman wasn't the father. He asks Dana in GB2 "whatever happened to Mr right?" She says that they were having problems and he got a job offer from an orchestra in London so he took it and left.



  • Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭doney84


    So glad that in general movie goer reviews seem positive as I think the franchise has so much potential. Granted I'm very biased as I've been a big fan for most of my life.

    My 8 year old daughter loved it and she is going to see it today for a second time !

    I liked it, it's not perfect but feel it's a very well put together movie that you can share with your family. It was never going to be the GB3 the kid in me wanted. Far to much time has passed for that to be the case and the passing of Harold Ramis meant it definitely couldn't happen.

    I wasn't really keen on the scene with the phone call between Phoebe & Ray. I know it's supposed to explain what happened to the team & why Egon ended up where he did but it seems a stretch to me that Ray didn't believe Egon's fears. You look at the original movies and it's Ray who is the biggest believer in the paranormal. Also felt the original teams appearance at the end with them all suited & booted was shoehorned in. A scene with Ray maybe trying to contact Peter & Winston concerned about the phonecall he received from a girl claiming to be Egon's granddaughter and claiming Egon was right, wouldn't have gone amiss.

    Phoebe and Podcast (don't like the name) were great though. Good on screen chemistry and some nice humour. I read some reviews about Paul Rudd phoning it in but I thought he was good in it. I'd really be interested in seeing this new team tackle new adventures which can now be done without revisiting previous material (Gozer).



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭ThePott


    That's true, the controversy was ridiculous and totally unwarranted. Having rewatched it for the first time recently, it's not terrible. Honestly enjoyed it more than Ghostbusters 2 on a rewatch. It's not good but it definitely didn't deserve all the screaming and shouting. It is totally misguided but totally unoriginal as well. That was my problem with Kermode's critique. Saying that the 2016 one turned things on it's head is an incredibly shallow observation. The only way it turned things on it's head was swapping the gender of the characters, aside from that it's got the same structure and beats and has as much fan service (if not more) than the new one. I do think Afterlife has plenty of the same criticism (especially in the second half) but treating the 2016 film like it tried something new is disingenuous.

    Then again in the review he says he doesn't care much for the original film either. Maybe he's frustrated that many people are seeing this film as 'toxic fandom' winning but I do think that when you're reviewing a film you should be objective and remove the context outside of the film it said when giving an opinion. I like the Last Jedi though so what do I know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭ErnestBorgnine


    Lots of spoilers being posted in here



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,732 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    A film that earnestly and repeatedly asks the question: 'do you remember Ghostbusters?'. To which I can only reply: 'of course I bloody do, I can watch it on 4k in Netflix whenever I want'.

    The negative reviews were dead on IMO. This is a really putrid husk of a movie, but is all the worse because it's a couple of bad films blended into one. It is for much of its runtime just another weak 80s nostalgia trip, albeit with Jason Reitman continuing to be unable to put convincingly human characters on the screen. For a film where the only real running gag is about a character delivering awkward, sweaty jokes, the film itself is the sweatiest thing I've seen on a big screen in ages. Everything comes across as so contrived (a feckin' 1950s diner is a main set for some reason?), with little interest in internal consistency or logic. It's somehow a film set in a world where the events of the original films actually took place, and yet nobody is bothered remembering them - despite the fact it's all readily documented on YouTube.

    McKenna Grace and Carrie Coon and some of the supporting cast are clearly talented actors, but by god I feel sorry for them having to add some life to the bizarre, turgid dialogue. Jason Reitman has made some real stinkers in recent years, and sadly there's a lot of 'bad Jason Reitman family drama' in here.

    It might have just been a mediocre, derivative throwback if it wasn't for the third act. Hoo-boy. What a miserable parade of fan service it is. Just imagery, characters and iconography from the original film regurgitated with no wit, imagination or even logic. It reminded me of those terrible parody films that think simply pointing out a popular thing exists constitutes a joke. It's the kind of film where the director will say 'don't spoil the surprises!' But the thing is there are no surprises to spoil - everything here is wholly predictable and perfunctory, and when familiar faces do show up it's so lifeless and uneventful I was actually taken aback (if you like seeing iconic characters standing in one spot and throwing out some terrible jokes, this is for you!). The main antagonist is just the same one from the first film - the film is just unspeakably lazy in so many regards.

    (The following is spoiler tagged reluctantly, but lest I be accused of spoiling anything...)

    And it even commits, at absolutely excruciating length, the gravest of modern Hollywood sins - the ghoulish CG resurrection of dead actors for cheap nostalgia. The 'For Harold' title was perfectly fine on its own - we didn't need the garish, bizarre extended posthumous cameo.

    This is a film that treats Ghostbusters - a perfectly enjoyable 80s studio comedy - as the most sacred of texts imaginable, and yet quite amazingly it doesn't even remotely understand, let alone capture, what made the first film tick. It has all the iconography alright, but it has none of the spirit of the thing. That film was a wry, cynical and playful thing - this is a dour, self-serious mess. There's 'jokes' here for sure, but none of them land. Ghostbusters 2016 will never be mistaken for a great film, but it is at least a film that understood the first one and tried to do its own limited thing within the basic formula. It was, if not a whole lot else, clearly a Ghostbusters movie. This, for all its aggressive fan service and callbacks, is just flavourless mush. It purports to give fans exactly what they wanted - and shows what a creatively bankrupt dead-end that approach is.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    Also the 2016 movie was never a part of the “canon” of the Reitman movies.



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