Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

stephen_n · 14-09-2019 10:27am

Interesting article from Murray here this guys theories on cohesion give a rise to a different view of the MOC years. Not something we were entirely unaware of, but if he’s right it’s less about MOC and all about the massive changes in personnel.

Shefwedfan · 14-09-2019 11:04am

stephen_n wrote: »

Interesting article from Murray here this guys theories on cohesion give a rise to a different view of the MOC years. Not something we were entirely unaware of, but if he’s right it’s less about MOC and all about the massive changes in personnel.

I still go back to MOC and the game against Cardiff in RDS

It wasn't even wet but a cold evening and they just kicked the sh*t out of the ballall night....no tactics.....awful game....Cardiff where awful as well so nothing to do with cohesion.....just terrible tactics

Portsalon · 14-09-2019 11:16am

stephen_n wrote: »

Interesting article from Murray here this guys theories on cohesion give a rise to a different view of the MOC years. Not something we were entirely unaware of, but if he’s right it’s less about MOC and all about the massive changes in personnel.

Darwin seems a bit confused about how income tax works in Ireland:

"The decision of the IRFU to give tax opportunities to players ........."

If he wasn't still alive, I'd say that Charlie McCreevy would be turning in his grave over that one!

Portsalon · 14-09-2019 11:19am

I see that Leinster gave young Salanoa the last 15 minutes against Saints, I wonder how he got on.

LostArt · 14-09-2019 11:28am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I still go back to MOC and the game against Cardiff in RDS

It wasn't even wet but a cold evening and they just kicked the sh*t out of the ballall night....no tactics.....awful game....Cardiff where awful as well so nothing to do with cohesion.....just terrible tactics

The loss to Dragons in the Rds was the longest game of my life!

Shefwedfan · 14-09-2019 11:31am

LostArt wrote: »

The loss to Dragons in the Rds was the longest game of my life!

After the Cardiff game I couldn't face that atrocity.....

For people saying it was an issue with players, just look at the muck MOC served up at Leicester after he left Leinster......

molloyjh · 14-09-2019 4:34pm

Well we can all rest easy that all is right with the world again. Its 50-17 to the As in Donnybrook inside the last 10 mins and 19-3 to the ladies at half time.

Former Former · 14-09-2019 4:47pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Interesting article from Murray here this guys theories on cohesion give a rise to a different view of the MOC years. Not something we were entirely unaware of, but if he’s right it’s less about MOC and all about the massive changes in personnel.

It was always a combination of things. MOC got a hospital pass in terms of the environment he walked into, but then he wasn't the right man to take over in that situation either.

The point that Darwin is making is definitely valid; the heights that we hit in 2011 and 2012 had been seven or eight years in the making. There was always going to be a dip.

Clegg · 14-09-2019 10:49pm

Highlights of Leinster's win over Northampton. Leinsters second try was a beaut. Lovely passing between forwards and backs.

https://youtu.be/-01ccdPjf9Y

Clegg · 15-09-2019 1:46pm

Denis Leamy is joining Leinster's academy coaching staff. He had been with Munsters underage teams and was developing a reputation as a good coach.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/munster-legend-denis-leamy-set-for-role-with-leinster-academy-38499049.html

The Lost Sheep · 15-09-2019 2:01pm

Clegg wrote: »

Denis Leamy is joining Leinster's academy coaching staff. He had been with Munsters underage teams and was developing a reputation as a good coach.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/munster-legend-denis-leamy-set-for-role-with-leinster-academy-38499049.html

Dont know where he developed that reputation...
His coaching experience is with Rockwell in schools cup, clonmel to win a few junior leagues and a junior cup and then Cashel in AIL but didnt like his attitude on sidelines of games or much else.

Clegg · 15-09-2019 2:08pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Dont know where he developed that reputation...
His coaching experience is with Rockwell in schools cup, clonmel to win a few junior leagues and a junior cup and then Cashel in AIL but didnt like his attitude on sidelines of games or much else.

Tbf I haven't a clue about his rep. Just paraphrasing what's in the Indo article.

On the subject of the Academy, I'm really looking forward to what Noel McNamara can do for our young players. The U20 Six Nations showed how good a coach he is I think. It's hard to get underage representative sides playing as a cohesive unit, as they're still developing their own skills. But we played extremely well as a team and won that grand slam on merit. And when we had players drop out of the squad through injury, the replacements stepped in seamlessly. That's the sign of good coaching.

Hands Like Flippers · 15-09-2019 3:55pm

Was anyone at the A game? If so, what went wrong with Ulster or were Leinster just too good or a combination of both?

molloyjh · 18-09-2019 9:22am

Barry Daly is out for up to 5 months and Frawley is out for 6-8 weeks. Balls. Daly in particular has absolutely no luck.

Exclamation Marc · 18-09-2019 9:33am

molloyjh wrote: »

Barry Daly is out for up to 5 months and Frawley is out for 6-8 weeks. Balls. Daly in particular has absolutely no luck.

Barry Daly with knee ligament damage and cartilage injury picked up in training. Just so so unlucky.

18-09-2019 10:00am

Feel sorry for Daly - just can't get a proper run of matches under his belt.

Bad timing for Frawley. He'd have been in line for a lot of rugby the next two months against weaker teams where he could have put in a few displays.

troyzer · 18-09-2019 10:13am

Deleted User wrote: »

Feel sorry for Daly - just can't get a proper run of matches under his belt.

Bad timing for Frawley. He'd have been in line for a lot of rugby the next two months against weaker teams where he could have put in a few displays.

Harry Byrne should see some game time.

arsebiscuits1 · 18-09-2019 10:59am

Bit thin on 10s even with Frawley fit.

Will be getting squeaky bum time if one of Ross or Harry drop in the next 6 weeks or (more likely) Ross gets on a plane to Japan.

JOB might find himself playing a lot more 10 than Leinster probably had planned for him (although I hope they had a lot of it planned)

Clegg · 18-09-2019 3:00pm

From the 42:

Delighted for JGP. He's been an excellent player for us and one of our most consistent performers over the past few seasons. He's been unfairly criticised by certain segments of the fan base, online and off, but it's clear he's well respected by his teammates.

Leinster have not yet announced who will step into the role of captain whilst Johnny Sexton is away at the World Cup, but the players have voted for a five-man leadership group for the first phase of the new Guinness Pro14 season.

With last year’s vice-captains Rhys Ruddock and Luke McGrath also currently in Japan with Joe Schmidt’s Ireland, the Leinster dressing room nominated Scott Fardy, Ross Molony, Jamison Gibson-Park, Ed Byrne and Fergus McFadden as part of the leadership group.

arsebiscuits1 · 18-09-2019 4:02pm

I'm pleasantly suprised to see Ed Byrne in there.

I know when he came back from injury there was a lot of references to how respected he was etc in the set up. But I thought that was mostly media fluff pieces.

The fact he's in the leadership group is very interesting to see.

Delighted for JGP too.

He was a seriously consistent performer for us last season especially

Squidgy Black · 18-09-2019 5:14pm

It'd be class to see Ross Molony really kick on, he's still only 25 and already has more than 80 caps and second rows can take a while to develop. With the likes of Baird and Dunne coming through, the next season or two is really vital for him I reckon.

Shefwedfan · 18-09-2019 5:36pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It'd be class to see Ross Molony really kick on, he's still only 25 and already has more than 80 caps and second rows can take a while to develop. With the likes of Baird and Dunne coming through, the next season or two is really vital for him I reckon.

I think he will kick on now and could be an Irish International.....

kingofthekong · 19-09-2019 9:11am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think he will kick on now and could be an Irish International.....

I dont, hes a great player but cant carry, he will be leap frogged by Dunne and Baird in the coming seasons, unless he adds another dimension to his game,

His leadership and lineouts are what keep him in the team but Dunne and Baird look like the future, the game is moving towards second rows that can also carry and make gainline ...sadly Molony will never be that

arsebiscuits1 · 19-09-2019 11:08am

kingofthekong wrote: »

I dont, hes a great player but cant carry, he will be leap frogged by Dunne and Baird in the coming seasons, unless he adds another dimension to his game,

His leadership and lineouts are what keep him in the team but Dunne and Baird look like the future, the game is moving towards second rows that can also carry and make gainline ...sadly Molony will never be that

His ball carrying is lacking which is unfortunate.

But I was very impressed with his physicality last season. His impact in D was significantly better and his ruck clean outs were brilliantly accurate.

mogwai81 · 19-09-2019 2:10pm

Leinster Rugby ‘A’ v Ospreys ‘A’ – Friday, 20th September, St. Helen’s (Swansea), KO: 19.15

(Leinster Senior Cap(s) in Brackets)

15. Rob Russell
14. Adam La Grue
13. Gavin Mullin (2)
12. Liam Turner
11. Andrew Smith
10. James Tarrant
9. Paddy Patterson (3)
1. Michael Milne
2. Dan Sheehan
3. Tom Clarkson
4. Charlie Ryan CAPTAIN
5. Ryan Baird (1)
6. Cian Prendergast
7. Ronan Watters
8. Brian Deeny

16. John McKee
17. Charlie Ward
18. Roman Salanoa
19. Anthony Ryan
20. Ronan Foley
21. Cormac Foley
22. Tim Corkery
23. Josh O’Connor

Squidgy Black · 19-09-2019 2:28pm

Anyone got any info on Corkery? Is he playing AIL this year? I know he played U19 earlier this year so assuming he's only out of school.

Lucas44 · 19-09-2019 4:25pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

I dont, hes a great player but cant carry, he will be leap frogged by Dunne and Baird in the coming seasons, unless he adds another dimension to his game,

His leadership and lineouts are what keep him in the team but Dunne and Baird look like the future, the game is moving towards second rows that can also carry and make gainline ...sadly Molony will never be that

Jonny Gray, Jean kleyn, itoje, kruis, s whitelock, mostert just to name a few are in line to start for some of the biggest countries in a few days and aren’t the best ball carriers but are physical in similar ways to Molony. I.e defence, defensive mauls, scrum, hitting rucks etx... there is very few international pairings of two all out explosive carriers so he will always be knocking about... very similarly to charlie Ryan.. don’t forget Molony first captained leinster at 22/23 and has a big number of caps in respect of his age

Dog Botherer · 19-09-2019 4:38pm

Molony is 6”6 and 110kg, he’s a lump but not really by international standards. If Ruddock is going to be with Ireland more now Molony could very well move into his role as that wider squad leader. He could do a lot worse than Billy Holland down at Munster, who has turned great leadership into an excellent provincial career despite in theory being 2 inches too short to play lock at a professional level.

If Molony stays fit he could easily have another 10 years playing left. I do think he’ll be capped for Ireland but probably in the same vein that Mike McCarthy did.

Shefwedfan · 19-09-2019 5:35pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

I dont, hes a great player but cant carry, he will be leap frogged by Dunne and Baird in the coming seasons, unless he adds another dimension to his game,

His leadership and lineouts are what keep him in the team but Dunne and Baird look like the future, the game is moving towards second rows that can also carry and make gainline ...sadly Molony will never be that

Same was said about Toner when he was 25....look where he ended up

FellasFellas · 19-09-2019 9:51pm

mogwai81 wrote: »

Leinster Rugby ‘A’ v Ospreys ‘A’ – Friday, 20th September, St. Helen’s (Swansea), KO: 19.15

(Leinster Senior Cap(s) in Brackets)

15. Rob Russell (DUFC)
14. Adam La Grue (Terenure)
13. Gavin Mullin (2) (UCD)
12. Liam Turner (DUFC)
11. Andrew Smith (???)
10. James Tarrant (UCD)
9. Paddy Patterson (3) (UCD)
1. Michael Milne (UCD)
2. Dan Sheehan (LFC)
3. Tom Clarkson (DUFC?)
4. Charlie Ryan CAPTAIN (UCD)
5. Ryan Baird (1) (DUFC)
6. Cian Prendergast (UCD)
7. Ronan Watters (Marys)
8. Brian Deeny (Tarf???)

16. John McKee (Belvo)
17. Charlie Ward (Tarf)
18. Roman Salanoa (Belvo)
19. Anthony Ryan (Tarf)
20. Ronan Foley (UCD)
21. Cormac Foley (Marys)
22. Tim Corkery (LFC)
23. Josh O’Connor (UCD)

Anyone know where Smith is playing rugby? A lot of University players there!

Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

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