Grand Canal Cycle Path - Be Careful

a148pro · 07-09-2019 6:00pm

I was up sally gap a day or two after the widespread coverage of the incident up there and I saw two garda cars separately. I have no doubt they were up there in response to the coverage. So fair play to the people updating this and writing emails, keep at it and hopefully there will be an increased presence there soon.

Mickiemcfist · 09-09-2019 10:00am

a148pro wrote: »

I was up sally gap a day or two after the widespread coverage of the incident up there and I saw two garda cars separately. I have no doubt they were up there in response to the coverage. So fair play to the people updating this and writing emails, keep at it and hopefully there will be an increased presence there soon.

To be honest, I hope there isn't an increased garda presence there. Much much more crime happens elsewhere.

Bob24 · 09-09-2019 10:20am

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

To be honest, I hope there isn't an increased garda presence there. Much much more crime happens elsewhere.

Plus increased Garda presence is always a short term localised patch if nothing is done to neutralise the perpetrators further down the low enforcement chain. And since we neither have the means nor should wish to have a Guard at the corner of every street and road - “more Garda presence” is usually not a sustainable solution.

tnegun · 09-09-2019 10:38am

Manholes reopened over the weekend with further attempts to destroy the CCTV, Waterways will attempt to get out and close them again.

mloc123 · 09-09-2019 10:58am

I wonder how effective CCTV is.... who is looking at it and is it being acted on, because from what I have seen... they are wasting their time trying to destroy it

tnegun · 09-09-2019 11:00am

Not sure who monitors it but I have heard someone asking the scrotes via the loud speaker to move on so they started throwing their cans/bottles at the cameras.

silverharp · 09-09-2019 12:33pm

tnegun wrote: »

Not sure who monitors it but I have heard someone asking the scrotes via the loud speaker to move on so they started throwing their cans/bottles at the cameras.

could they get those devices that only scrotes can hear and gets them to move on? or would that be against their human rights :pac:

KevRossi · 09-09-2019 6:22pm

mloc123 wrote: »

I wonder how effective CCTV is.... who is looking at it and is it being acted on, because from what I have seen... they are wasting their time trying to destroy it

Over €30,000 was spent on a camera at Cherryfield traveller site beside the Spawell a few years back to stop illegal dumping - dumping continues and no prosecutions. They put a few tyres under the camera, set them on fire, then dump a load of crap over the wall, smoke from the tyres covers any activities.

Dick Warner did a barge trip along the canals back in the early 90's for Waterways, (a TV documentary well worth watching), they had a Garda along that section for security reasons and he mentioned that it was a notorious spot for highwaymen and robberies since the canal opened.

dhaughton99 · 09-09-2019 6:51pm

tnegun wrote: »

Not sure who monitors it but I have heard someone asking the scrotes via the loud speaker to move on so they started throwing their cans/bottles at the cameras.

A couple of years ago, we were passing at the ninth lock and a voice came over the speakers telling us to pick up the plastic bottle that our dog was playing with and happened to leave it behind. :rolleyes:

a148pro · 09-09-2019 11:49pm

Bob24 wrote: »

Plus increased Garda presence is always a short term localised patch if nothing is done to neutralise the perpetrators further down the low enforcement chain. And since we neither have the means nor should wish to have a Guard at the corner of every street and road - “more Garda presence” is usually not a sustainable solution.

Well what is the solution? Get chuck norris to go out with a gun?

The only realistic solution I see would be more gardai on the ground

tnegun · 10-09-2019 9:16am

The community garda on bikes patrolling randomly between the 9th and 11th/ring road during the day would be something right now they know they can act with impunity and have no fear of being caught. Interestingly 3 senior scrotes were inspecting the reopened manholes this morning at 7.30 when I passed.

Bob24 · 10-09-2019 3:18pm

a148pro wrote: »

Well what is the solution? Get chuck norris to go out with a gun?

The only realistic solution I see would be more gardai on the ground

2 aspects of the solution:
1) Ensuring these behaviours don’t develop as much (this is a question for our overall society and is possible to achieve - see a place like Japan where is doesn’t exist at all)
2) If it still does happen, make sure it is not tolerated and there are real consequences for those involved (and here the issue is not with the guards, but further down the line with the judicial system, as well as with society as a whole which has grown comfortable with tolerating this stuff)

More Garda presence solves nothing in the long term and is a mixed bag even in the short term unless the above points are addressed. Thugs are less and less afraid of the police (while the police is gradually becoming more afraid of them), and know there will be no consequence to their actions. So at best what that extra police presence in location A does is to move the issues to location B (i.e. improving safety in one location is achieved by making another location less safe - a relief for some people but a zero sum game for the overall public). And since we will never have an infinite budget for policing, once the police eventually and inevitably pull ressources from location A again because they are needed more elsewhere, then the issues simply return to location A.

niallo32 · 13-09-2019 7:54pm

In the last week I've seen a group of 3 guards and a pair today - both times their car was parked at the 10th Lough flyover and they were walking up and down the dodgy stretch.

tnegun · 13-09-2019 7:58pm

Thats great news I've been in touch with several public reps and the community policing rep all commited to increasing resources in the area but I hadn't seen it. Some poor unfortunates motor bike was dumped in the canal last night too along with lighting being burned out, the open drug dealing is still taking place further up too but any garda presence is welcomed

Snowiejoey · 16-09-2019 11:50pm

Gang of junior scrotes at 11th lock around 17.45 today trying to stop cyclists and escooters heading to Adamstown, just to try them out. Waiting at the top of the incline to ensure their targets have slowed. Route has been relatively Ok to R113 but they have taken over past there. Appalling that one of the few examples we have of good cycling infrastructure is being destroyed by the presence and activities of these. (Apart from the gates!)

coward · 17-09-2019 8:27am

No more greenway in the evenings for me. Back to the road after my experiences during the last two commutes home.

Metal object thrown at my face.
Firework up my ass.
Fake hit.

I've been hit with stuff and knocked off the bicycle over the years on that greenway when passing groups. So those fake hits don't help!

Safe travels for those that continue on the greenway in the evenings. Only about another month of brightness in the evenings anyway before I would take to the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiLMG2Oy63c

lawred2 · 17-09-2019 8:36am

coward wrote: »

No more greenway in the evenings for me. Back to the road after my experiences during the last two commutes home.
Metal object thrown at my face.

Firework up my ass.

Fake hit.

I've been hit with stuff and knocked off the bicycle over the years on that greenway when passing groups. So those fake hits don't help!

Safe travels for those that continue on the greenway in the evenings. Only about another month of brightness in the evenings anyway before I would take to the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiLMG2Oy63c

good for nothing wasters

tnegun · 17-09-2019 9:36am

coward wrote: »

No more greenway in the evenings for me. Back to the road after my experiences during the last two commutes home.
Metal object thrown at my face.

Firework up my ass.

Fake hit.

I've been hit with stuff and knocked off the bicycle over the years on that greenway when passing groups. So those fake hits don't help!

Safe travels for those that continue on the greenway in the evenings. Only about another month of brightness in the evenings anyway before I would take to the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiLMG2Oy63c

Can I share your video with the public reps I'm in contact with? After seeing that I'm thinking of trying to get on the media to highlight the inaction or at best ineffectiveness of each and everyone of them.

thenightman · 17-09-2019 9:49am

If any of ye work for the big companies in Grange Castle I'd get them to get onto and hassle the government/TD's about the situation too. Only strata of society politicians seem arsed to listen to.

That stretch in particular alongside the estates in Bawnogue/Kilmahudrick/Lindisfarne have always been dog rough as the estates themselves are so isolated. Every now and then the guards will put a bit of presence and move the gous away, but it's not a viable long term solution as guards obviously can't be there all the time. CCTV is pointless if not combined with enforcement as well.

coward · 17-09-2019 10:05am

tnegun wrote: »

Can I share your video with the public reps I'm in contact with? After seeing that I'm thinking of trying to get on the media to highlight the inaction or at best ineffectiveness of each and everyone of them.

Yes, of course, share away. Thanks for asking and good luck in your quest.

Bob24 · 17-09-2019 11:21am

coward wrote: »

No more greenway in the evenings for me. Back to the road after my experiences during the last two commutes home.
Metal object thrown at my face.

Firework up my ass.

Fake hit.

I've been hit with stuff and knocked off the bicycle over the years on that greenway when passing groups. So those fake hits don't help!

Safe travels for those that continue on the greenway in the evenings. Only about another month of brightness in the evenings anyway before I would take to the road.

Looking at this footage, your boards user ID seems a bit misleading! ;-)

silverharp · 17-09-2019 11:28am

coward wrote: »

No more greenway in the evenings for me. Back to the road after my experiences during the last two commutes home.
Metal object thrown at my face.

Firework up my ass.

Fake hit.

I've been hit with stuff and knocked off the bicycle over the years on that greenway when passing groups. So those fake hits don't help!

Safe travels for those that continue on the greenway in the evenings. Only about another month of brightness in the evenings anyway before I would take to the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiLMG2Oy63c

coming out of town is that before or after Park West?

coward · 17-09-2019 11:32am

silverharp wrote: »

coming out of town is that before or after Park West?

After. It's between Clondalkin and Lucan. Just after the 11th Lock.

tnegun · 17-09-2019 11:33am

About 2/3km after Park West past the 9th lock road crossing.

tnegun · 17-09-2019 11:36am

coward wrote: »

Yes, of course, share away. Thanks for asking and good luck in your quest.

I've passed the footage to them along with the request for what actual actions will be taken rather than promises of discussion will post back the responses. If anyone else wants to join these are the agencies/Councillors/TDs responsible for that area

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Anus Von Skidmark · 17-09-2019 1:59pm

Unfortunately, I think the only solution to this would be mandatory sterilisation of all scobes, or possibly an all-out scummer cull.

As much as I'd love to see that happening, some poxy dictators (Hitler, I'm looking your way) have ruined genocide for all of us by using it against groups of people that didn't deserve it.

sheriff2 · 17-09-2019 3:52pm

Have cycled twice from Adamstown to town and have loved it.
At 7.30am - people jogging and walking dogs, cycling etc.

Doubt il cycle home that way in the evenings after seeing some of the previous posts, little bastards ruin it for everyone.

Does anyone know if the lights along the canal actually work, will need them now for the darker mornings.

coward · 17-09-2019 4:38pm

sheriff2 wrote: »

Have cycled twice from Adamstown to town and have loved it.
At 7.30am - people jogging and walking dogs, cycling etc.

Doubt il cycle home that way in the evenings after seeing some of the previous posts, little bastards ruin it for everyone.

Does anyone know if the lights along the canal actually work, will need them now for the darker mornings.

It's a beautiful route in the mornings. This morning in particular was amazing. Blue sky and that mist that sits above the water when it's a bit cold. Really is a fantastic route when it is peaceful.

The lighs are ok - not that bright but suppose you have to keep the local (good) wildlife in mind. I use the road though as soon as the dark evenings roll in.

sheriff2 · 17-09-2019 4:46pm

Yeah was really nice this morning, had to stop twice for a photo. Such a shame we allow these fookers to ruin everything (although they are just young kids)

In a country like Holland a cycle path like this would be encouraged.. If manged correctly the amount of cars or even bikes it could take off the main roads- would it be too much to have security manning it for 2 hours each evening

Planet X · 17-09-2019 5:14pm

A Drone strike to wipe them out.

All the rage apparently

dhaughton99 · 17-09-2019 5:38pm

sheriff2 wrote: »

Have cycled twice from Adamstown to town and have loved it.
At 7.30am - people jogging and walking dogs, cycling etc.

Doubt il cycle home that way in the evenings after seeing some of the previous posts, little bastards ruin it for everyone.

Does anyone know if the lights along the canal actually work, will need them now for the darker mornings.

The lights do work but they are low light level bulbs so not to disturb bats. Also, the CCTV used to be fed into the security in Park West as they had the contract to monitor them. Don't know if they still do it.

Nika Bolokov · 17-09-2019 5:52pm

tnegun wrote: »

I've passed the footage to them along with the request for what actual actions will be taken rather than promises of discussion will post back the responses. If anyone else wants to join these are the agencies/Councillors/TDs responsible for that area

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Have done the same myself. Timmons seems hopeless but eoin O'Broin ( Independent not SF) seems like he will try. Green party guy kanavagh says he knows all about it and is trying to do something .

Nika Bolokov · 17-09-2019 5:56pm

Some day those scobes will try that with someone who will kick the living **** out of them or worse , I'm thinking the Polish chuck norris who after a 14 hour shift on a building site is just not in the mood.

That will be a great day.

irlirishkev · 18-09-2019 12:26pm

sheriff2 wrote: »

Have cycled twice from Adamstown to town and have loved it.
At 7.30am - people jogging and walking dogs, cycling etc.

Doubt il cycle home that way in the evenings after seeing some of the previous posts, little bastards ruin it for everyone.

Does anyone know if the lights along the canal actually work, will need them now for the darker mornings.

coward wrote: »

It's a beautiful route in the mornings. This morning in particular was amazing. Blue sky and that mist that sits above the water when it's a bit cold. Really is a fantastic route when it is peaceful.

The lighs are ok - not that bright but suppose you have to keep the local (good) wildlife in mind. I use the road though as soon as the dark evenings roll in.

Agreed. Mornings like today are magical. I do it town to grange castle, so uphill into the wind most of the way, but still. Fresh air, birds singing, people in good form, swans and ducks etc.. Complete contrast to my now-route home alongside the N7/Naas Road..

ewc78 · 18-09-2019 1:59pm

Used to run this regularly as I live in Lucan but after getting verbal abuse on more than a few occasions I just don't bother now. I suppose verbal abuse is better than physical but still I just don't bother anymore, not worth the hassle. The thing is most of the abuse came from teenage girls but you just know if you shouted anything back there would be a gang of scumbag fellas ready to attack you.
It's a real pity as it really is a nice route.

dhaughton99 · 18-09-2019 2:06pm

ewc78 wrote: »

. . . . .The thing is most of the abuse came from teenage girls but you just know if you shouted anything back there would be a gang of scumbag fellas ready to attack you.
It's a real pity as it really is a nice route.

This is so true. The only trouble I ever had along the canal was young slappers either spitting, roaring or throwing kicks.

nak · 19-09-2019 1:49pm

dhaughton99 wrote: »

The lights do work but they are low light level bulbs so not to disturb bats. Also, the CCTV used to be fed into the security in Park West as they had the contract to monitor them. Don't know if they still do it.

The CCTV was monitored in Grange Castle - I attended a meeting in the security office there with the local guards when the path was opened.

I got an email from my employer this morning about the route informing us that they are working with the guards and the council in an attempt to address the anti-social behaviour. Plus informing everyone onsite of the incidents that have been reported in the evenings.

tnegun · 19-09-2019 3:12pm

Got this back yesterday in response to my emails/queries as to who was going to take action against this.

A meeting took place Tues 17th Sept between SDCC officials, reps from Waterways Ireland & Clondalkin & Ronanstown Gardai to decide on a number of possible Actions:

· Commencing within the next week there will be a consistent presence of uniform Gardai supported by other members in plainclothes along the canal area and adjacent areas.

· Their presence will support remedial works to be completed to eliminate access points, preventing cars to & motorbikes gaining access to the canal.

· This may lead to some restrictions for cyclists in the short-term

· Seeking engagement with Outreach Workers around the issue.

· A refurbishment of the Gatekeeper’s Lodge refurbished is being sought ti improve positive use along with the possibility of other groups making use of the Canal.

I just hope the steps to eliminate the access points don't inhibit bike access, the rest is certainly welcome and I've already had heard reports of gardai in uniform being seen during the day.

sheriff2 · 08-10-2019 11:08am

tnegun wrote: »

A meeting took place Tues 17th Sept between SDCC officials, reps from Waterways Ireland & Clondalkin & Ronanstown Gardai to decide on a number of possible Actions:

· Commencing within the next week there will be a consistent presence of uniform Gardai supported by other members in plainclothes along the canal area and adjacent areas.

· Their presence will support remedial works to be completed to eliminate access points, preventing cars to & motorbikes gaining access to the canal.

Has anyone noticed a gardai / security presence over the last couple of weeks?

irlirishkev · 08-10-2019 12:18pm

sheriff2 wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a gardai / security presence over the last couple of weeks?

Nothing in the mornings between 8 and 9 anyway..

To Alcohol · 08-10-2019 3:38pm

Lads Nangor runs alongside, is a much safer bet. Wouldn't go near that canal in 100 years. Just not worth the risk.

dhaughton99 · 08-10-2019 3:49pm

sheriff2 wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a gardai / security presence over the last couple of weeks?

Funny you should ask. yesterday I started a new job in Deansrath, beside the problem area but decided I’d get the bus rather than take the chance on my bike along the canal. On my way home on the bus around 1:30 pm, I saw 2 cycle Gardai questioning 2 Yo’s! over on the canal, where the gate was rammed.

tnegun · 08-10-2019 5:28pm

Haven't seen them myself but have been told they were about and a query to some of the local authorities said the same that they are patrolling now. Been a marked decrease in the no hanging about but that could be down to the weather. They've also figured some way to pull the lights off the top of the polls and there is no working lighting along the canal on the section of path between the R136 and the R113.

niallo32 · 08-10-2019 5:34pm

sheriff2 wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a gardai / security presence over the last couple of weeks?

Two guards walking along it last Tuesday morning around 10.30am

RunDMC · 09-10-2019 7:36pm

sheriff2 wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a gardai / security presence over the last couple of weeks?

There seems to be a pair that patrol from Ronanstown Garda station, along the R113, along the canal to Ninth Lock and back along the Ninth Lock Road. I've seen them most days, but usually after 10am and never in the afternoon.

R

niallo32 · 09-10-2019 10:34pm

RunDMC wrote: »

There seems to be a pair that patrol from Ronanstown Garda station, along the R113, along the canal to Ninth Lock and back along the Ninth Lock Road. I've seen them most days, but usually after 10am and never in the afternoon.

R

I've seen a pair or three around 2.30pm a few times on Fridays

tnegun · 14-10-2019 7:37pm

Got an email this evening to say the damage to the lighting along by the 11th lock is such that the council don't want to use their resources to repair it, and aren't inclined to as they fear it will just be destroyed again.

magicbastarder · 14-10-2019 7:51pm

on the face of it, that's utterly bananas. but i'd be taking that email and forwarding it to your local representatives; i can understand the frustration at the council staff, of spending money on things they know will be destroyed, but they probably wouldn't get much traction talking to the gardai, that's where councillors and TDs are more useful.

coward · 14-10-2019 8:02pm

tnegun wrote: »

.. the council don't want to use their resources to repair it ..

Maybe they should just cover it over with a mound of topsoil like they did to the cycle lanes on the nearby Hayden's Lane access road, and be done with it :pac:

tnegun · 14-10-2019 8:18pm

The email came via a local councillor I was reading between the lines but heres the extract

"I refer to representation received on 10/10/2019 in relation to Public Lighting at 12th Lock.
We have carried out an extensive survey of the recent vandalism to our public lighting network at this
location. A considerable amount of our resources will need to be expended in order to carry out the
necessary repairs, with no guarantee that the repairs will, in fact, not also be vandalised.
To that end, we are reviewing the situation internally with other departments to assess the best
approach to remedying the issue for the longer term."

Grand Canal Cycle Path - Be Careful

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