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11-05-2019, 08:36   #16
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Transport and fossil fuel usage still one of the single biggest and possibly easiest means to make a huge difference tbh

For example a return flight from London to Melbourne direct will use up over half the average persons C02.

Interesting article here:
https://www.wanderlust.co.uk/content...or-not-to-fly/

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Long-haul flights emit huge amounts of CO2 – and until aircraft use more fuel-efficient technologies there’s no getting away from that ‘inconvenient truth’....

driving a petrol car ...the emissions are about the same, kilometre for kilometre. For instance, a return trip from London to Bilbao in a 2L petrol engine car produces 0.26 tonnes of CO2, while a return flight produces 0.28 tonne

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You never buy plastic bottles?
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11-05-2019, 08:59   #18
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Question why those that control the world are now pushing this climate change agenda. Why are they using the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program to cause havoc on the weather all around the world? It's unfortunate we can be so easily manipulated and mislead through the mass produced mainstream media, while we are so completely oblivious.

We will sleep walk our way to more taxes, pushing more wealth from those at the bottom to the evil at the top of the pyramid. I will continue to eat a healthy diet which includes meat and will do my own part to resist the climate change taxes coming down the line.
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Saw this in Cool Vids & Pics & Links YLYL 9: So Vegan I forgot to laugh thread, HT Capt'n Midnight.

and it got me thinking..


The biggest cause of global pollution is excessive production for consumerism.
Put simply this is because they produce far in excess of what is actually needed the global needs can be sustained with production levels of at lease half of their current rates.

Why?

Because of the use of “planned obsolescence” a mechanism that artificially reduces the functional life of a product such that you are forced to replace it frequently , for example a washing machine can easily be designed to run for 25-30 years, but in fact fails in as tittle as sis years, just after the five year warranty runs out! This is deliberate design function to ensure future sales of replacement product.
It is also exasperated by the fact that spares are often difficult to obtain and with many products are impossible to repair due to the design of the product that prevent basic repairs from being carried out.

LED lamps are another example, after 40 years of electronics experience, I know that LEDs have an extremely long life if the electronics are properly designed 30,000 hours plus should be expected, but manufacturers are now bringing that down to less that 10,000 by designing the power supply to fail earlier with underrated components that will fail in about 10,000 hours.
These are just two examples of domestic devices that are designed to fail before their time to increase the profit margins for businesses and their shareholders.
In other areas, millions of plastic products are made with plastics that are designed to deteriorate far quicker than necessary to produce repeat purchases,
Shoes have soles made of materials that wear much faster than they should.
Cars used to be really bad before there was a consumer backlash in the 1970-80s after many deaths caused by cars that were designed to rust quickly getting involved in crashes and causing deaths by completely crushing as they were weakened by corrosion, or in some cases causing crashes by breaking up while being driven.
Then there is “perceived obsolescence” where consumers are being pressurised into replacing stuff that is perfectly functional with the latest and greatest model, which is usually the same as the previous one except for some more go-faster stripes or similar. The fashion industry is the worst offender here.
Then there is all the “single use” plastics to reduce costs in a fast food restaurant for example, to avoid paying for someone to wash dishes afterwards.
Finally to add insult to injury, there is a whole “recycling & waste management” industry created to get rid of all this rubbish.

So the third pane of the cartoon makes a lot of sense.
People just need to know what is happening in the world, whinging about climate change is a cop out, they need to be looking at their own consumerism and the corporate greed that is feeding it.

We should be lobbying our MPs, TDs or MEPs to try and outlaw the deliberate life shortening of products and ban manufacturers from making their products unrepairable or by preventing third party repairers getting parts.
One thing would be to mandate that products display a label with their design life and their ease or repair, similar to the energy ratings they currently carry.

“A” rated devices for example would have a design life in excess of 25 years and all parts are replaceable, it can be done.
Doing this will give the consumers a chance to demand longer life expectancy and repairable products by shunning those with a short design life or not serviceable.

Please share if you agree

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18-05-2019, 11:40   #20
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• Have fewer (or no) children (equaling, for someone in a rich country) an estimated 58.6 tons of C02 equivalent per child, per year
I just wanted to comment on this one, however this is not a disagreement with you gozunda just an expansion. The actual analysis behind that figure is very odd and not comparable to the others.

Seth Wynes and Kimberly Nicholas used a population model from an earlier 2009 paper to estimate the average number of descendants a single child contributes. Then they assigned a geometrically weighted factor to each of these descendants out to about 500 years into the future.

So basically 58.6 tons is the yearly apportioning of one's descendants weighted by generational distance to you until about the year 2600 under the assumption of (roughly, don't want to go into complete detail here for brevity) constant carbon emissions until that point.

This is not remotely the same kind of figure as the contributions from a car and it is very debatable to what degree they can be compared or that the 58.6 tons is even meaningful. The actual yearly emissions by a child are not anywhere near 58.6 tons. Several other researchers such as Bradshaw and Brook in this paper: https://www.pnas.org/content/111/46/16610.short don't agree with the conclusions.
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There are smaller changes and bigger changes. The two biggest in anyone's personal life are transport and heating.
Electric car bike and walk. Electric car means central pollution point at least or at best renewable sources.
Space heating means house upgrade. If already on the natural gas network, hopefully more anerobic digesters (AD) plants will be injected into this and you can buy that. Otherwise looking to Heat Pump (HP), Air to Water (A2W).
As Conor above said; SEAI.

The biggest offender in air transport are the many weekend trips, sorry Mikey O'Leary. Our beef, whilst a contributor, is more carbon efficient than anywhere else in the world. The whole farming and soil carbon capture needs a lot of further research. Certainly high intensity farming has a negative carbon footprint.

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totally agree with the consumerism bit, even when you buy expensive products even though they cost more you dont get the repairability, in the end a dishwasher is a dishwsher there are no new features a dishwasher has that is actually need, in fact mine is about 15 years old and has jsut had a pump replaced, my dryer is 10 my fridge about 7 (the previous one was over 20 years old).

although having replaced my car which ws 14 years old with a 6 year old one i obvioulsy had no choice of electric, petrol hybrid were out of my price range and of the cars available there were only 3 petrol cars available (none locally) - which doesnt resolve the fact that what the gov needed to be doing is investing as heavily in publc transport and cycle routes as they have done in roads in the last 20 years.

no reasonably priced options on replacing the boiler in january that could be done without huge cost and disruption - the alternatives to an oil boiler arent there for the mass market at the moment.

totally agree with in built obsolecence needs to be kicked to touch and fast

unfortunately our economies are built on increased growth wich doesnt fit with reducing emissions
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Eat less meat and dairy and stop flying.

Those are the two best things you can do to help cut your personal carbon emissions. The rest is largely window dressing.

And the best thing you can do for system change, is be a climate voter, ie vote for candidates who have strong policies and PRIORITISE climate action. You said not political but we are not going to recycle our way out of climate breakdown. You either accept its an emergency and act accordingly or you don't.
Don't forget driving a car, if you live anywhere that's at all practical (i.e. not many places in Ireland).


" you emit as much carbon in one roundtrip flight (eg New York-London) as two years of eating meat, or eight months of driving a car). "
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The biggest offender in air transport are the many weekend trips, sorry Mikey O'Leary. Our beef, whilst a contributor, is more carbon efficient than anywhere else in the world. The whole farming and soil carbon capture needs a lot of further research. Certainly high intensity farming has a negative carbon footprint.
I am repeating myself from another thread, but we should remember that it is not just flying for pleasure that causes problems; there is an awful lot of business travel that might not be necessary in this age of video-conferencing.
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Fascinating thread; thank you.

what comes across most to me as a near-octagenarian is that many of the excellent ideas are how we lived in the 40s and 50s.

No " white goods" for most folk, and yes we washed by hand; no central heating, etc and foreign holidays if any were by ship not air.

Now I live much as we did then. No car . Washing by hand and in cold water. Growing as much as I can. No oil heating.

Just makes economic and environmental sense and is no hardship. second childhood.. oh and buying from thrift/charity shops

To those defeatist folk here, " many a mickle maks a muckle."
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Fascinating thread; thank you.

what comes across most to me as a near-octagenarian is that many of the excellent ideas are how we lived in the 40s and 50s.

No " white goods" for most folk, and yes we washed by hand; no central heating, etc and foreign holidays if any were by ship not air.

Now I live much as we did then. No car . Washing by hand and in cold water. Growing as much as I can. No oil heating.

Just makes economic and environmental sense and is no hardship. second childhood.. oh and buying from thrift/charity shops

To those defeatist folk here, " many a mickle maks a muckle."
nice. What’s a nickel? Does it mean money?
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I am repeating myself from another thread, but we should remember that it is not just flying for pleasure that causes problems; there is an awful lot of business travel that might not be necessary in this age of video-conferencing.
Yes. There’s a lot of green washing at corporate level but then huge air use.
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Eat local, not imported.


WEAR local is another challenge: most of us are dressed from head to feet in plastic, these days.
The only local textiles would be wool and linen, maybe a little leather.

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How? seen as you got rid of the sheep and cows
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Oh so it’s climate “emergency” now lol. Folks just live your life and enjoy it. Drive your car, go on as many holidays as you can and eat all the wonderful food you can. I promise the world is not going to end and humanity will not destroy the planet. Human ingenuity and technology will solve any climate problems (if there is a problem). For example Carbon capture technology is already in development (google it). And above all please put down the Guardian and let go of your middle class guilt.
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