Arlene Foster at it again...

walshb · 30-11-2020 10:31pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Genuine question. How do you remember the past in a divided post conflict society?

What had this to do with Stanley’s deliberately nasty and hurtful tweet?

costacorta · 30-11-2020 10:36pm

maccored wrote: »

ive asked this already - how are the Stanleys twitter comment any different that 12th july marches?

Sure don’t ye have yer apprentice boys March in Derry as well and wear yer little Easter lilies every year ?? But that’s ok I suppose as ye are victims..

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 10:37pm

walshb wrote: »

What had this to do with Stanley’s deliberately nasty and hurtful tweet?

Everything.

The tweet has a context. And that is a divided society where nobody with the responsibilities (the Irish and British governments under the GFA and subsequent agreements) is willing to tackle the legacy issues.

And you saw why today, because one of these governments was a player and has major legacy issues of it's own.

Part of that legacy discussion is how doe we remember going forward. If one side is allowed to celebrate/commemorate just because a notional amount of time has passed, what does the other side do...bite their tongue?

That's not going to work. So I am asking you what do you see as the solution - censorship/oppression of one side again?

Fuascailteoir · 30-11-2020 10:37pm

People crying crocodile tears for members of the paras

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 10:37pm

costacorta wrote: »

Sure don’t ye have yer apprentice boys March in Derry as well and wear yer little Easter lilies every year ?? But that’s ok I suppose as ye are victims..

Sure you know what side you are talking about here?

walshb · 30-11-2020 10:38pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Everything.

The tweet has a context. And that is a divided society where nobody with the responsibilities (the Irish and British governments under the GFA and subsequent agreements) is willing to tackle the legacy issues.

And you saw why today, because one of these governments was a player and has major legacy issues of it's own.

Part of that legacy discussion is how doe we remember going forward. If one side is allowed to celebrate/commemorate just because a notional amount of time has passed, what does the other side do...bite their tongue?

That's not going to work. So I am asking you what do you see as the solution - censorship/oppression of one side again?

It’s incessant deflecting with you!

walshb · 30-11-2020 10:39pm

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

People crying crocodile tears for members of the paras

Who is crying these tears? Where, how?

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 10:41pm

walshb wrote: »

It’s incessant deflecting with you!

So we can take it that is what you want. Censorship/oppression of comment because it offends you.
But others in the same Dáil and eulogise killers for our own independence because...some time has past.

c.p.w.g.w · 30-11-2020 10:41pm

Lets hope, Arlene isn't watching RTE 1 now...she might get triggered

walshb · 30-11-2020 10:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So we can take it that is what you want. Censorship/oppression of comment because it offends you.
But others in the same Dáil and eulogise killers for our own independence because...some time has past.

Why are you again deflecting?

I have been clear on my view...

This is not about sides. I’ll call out ANY side if I feel they are wrong in their behaviours..

What censorship am I promoting?

costacorta · 30-11-2020 10:44pm

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

People crying crocodile tears for members of the paras

And others crying over not getting an inquiry into one of their own . Remember all the tears too from Gibraltar when ye were crying dirty tactics but sure a life is a life ..

McMurphy · 30-11-2020 10:48pm

costacorta wrote: »

Sure don’t ye have yer apprentice boys March in Derry as well and wear yer little Easter lilies every year ?? But that’s ok I suppose as ye are victims..

The apprentice boys are unionists, if you don't know that simple fact, perhaps you're out of your depth in this thread.

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 10:48pm

walshb wrote: »

Why are you again deflecting?

I have been clear on my view...

This is not about sides. I’ll call out ANY side if I feel they are wrong in their behaviours..

What censorship am I promoting?

I tok a bit of time typing out the issues as I see them in an attempt to have a dicussion.
You aren't up for it. No bother.

You just want this kind of comment censored and the utterer banished to wherever. Doesn't make the legacy and 'remembering the past' issues go away though.

Drifter50 · 30-11-2020 10:51pm

Does no one think it is extraordinary the convergence of press that took place this morning between the DUP and FG. Coveney was straight our with his " Sinn Fein bile" comments while Arlene Foster went writing letters to Sean O Fearghail. FF were silent and as for the GP....................
Watch this space for the future maybe

RandomViewer · 30-11-2020 10:53pm

costacorta wrote: »

And others crying over not getting an inquiry into one of their own . Remember all the tears too from Gibraltar when ye were crying dirty tactics but sure a life is a life ..

Gibraltar gloating got you Michael Stone and this

https://www.google.com/search?q=derek+wood+and+david+howes&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=isvn&sxsrf=ALeKk03JUiJ_w9pVNnoLZUL_nq2s7HC9LQ:1606773043719&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwirroWEoKvtAhUbShUIHTrTC2cQ_AUoAXoECAYQAQ&biw=800&bih=1280#imgrc=1qYiuO23BPgcUM

Hamsterchops · 30-11-2020 10:53pm

walshb wrote: »

The acts themselves, at the time were part of our people’s reaction to being occupied!

Just one thing, the acts themselves were carried out by a terrorist group called the Provisional IRA who were NOT representative of the population!

'The Irish people's reaction' was one of horror and disgust, obviously not from Republicans who probably celebrated as the bodies parts were collected and put in plastic bags, but the rest of the island was horrified. And don't forget the PIRA were not only fighting against the security forces up North, they were also at it down here too, so they were our enemy as well as being the enemy up North.

maccored · 30-11-2020 10:55pm

costacorta wrote: »

Sure don’t ye have yer apprentice boys March in Derry as well and wear yer little Easter lilies every year ?? But that’s ok I suppose as ye are victims..

i thought heads were bent out of shape due to commemorating atrocities? 12th marches are that. enough of the duplicity.

walshb · 30-11-2020 10:57pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I tok a bit of time typing out the issues as I see them in an attempt to have a dicussion.
You aren't up for it. No bother.

You just want this kind of comment censored and the utterer banished to wherever. Doesn't make the legacy and 'remembering the past' issues go away though.

Eh, you do realize the tweet was censored/removed itself by its author?

Discussion on what?

The tweet was a disgrace.

It has no place in our society today. We are in the process of continuing healing and progress and reconciliation..

There is no discussion..

RandomViewer · 30-11-2020 10:58pm

maccored wrote: »

i thought heads were bent out of shape due to commemorating atrocities? 12th marches are that. enough of the duplicity.

TUV was formed by DUP members who wanted Torrens Knight , Greysteel murderer and RUC
Informer released, DUP are terrorists

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 10:58pm

walshb wrote: »

Eh, you do realize the tweet was censored/removed itself by its author?

Discussion on what?

The tweet was a disgrace.

It has no place in our society today. We are in the process of continuing healing and progress and reconciliation..

There is no discussion..

Righty ho.

Fuascailteoir · 30-11-2020 11:00pm

walshb wrote: »

Who is crying these tears? Where, how?

Well you are doing a good job of it. The paras were vile psychopaths who came over here and murdered and maimed men, women and children. They had great form and experience from their jaunts around the colonies

walshb · 30-11-2020 11:07pm

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Well you are doing a good job of it. The paras were vile psychopaths who came over here and murdered and maimed men, women and children. They had great form and experience from their jaunts around the colonies

Utter bull..

Why is it that those who think the tweet was a disgrace means that they are crying for paras?

You clearly have not read my posts and views on this.

And if you have, then I’d seriously question your comprehension!

You don’t need to be anti Brit and hate the brits to be a proud Irish person

I just wish more people realized this

Fuascailteoir · 30-11-2020 11:11pm

walshb wrote: »

Utter bull..

Why is it that those who think the tweet was a disgrace means that I am crying for paras?

You clearly have not read my posts and views on this.

And if you have, then I’d seriously question your comprehension!

You said the tweet was hurtful. To who exactly?. Should no one should pass comment on them as it might hurt their feelings to be reminded of what a shower of reprehensible psychopaths they are. The fact is that they had gotten away with murder and torture for decades in areas with little coverage. That changed in Ireland

smurgen · 30-11-2020 11:11pm

walshb wrote: »

Utter bull..

Why is it that those who think the tweet was a disgrace means that they are crying for paras?

You clearly have not read my posts and views on this.

And if you have, then I’d seriously question your comprehension!

You don’t need to be anti Brit and hate the brits to be a proud Irish person

I just wish more people realized this

It's more like FG as a party now look back on Irish history as see the Irish as the bad guys. I think that's where we differ.

Fuascailteoir · 30-11-2020 11:12pm

walshb wrote: »

Utter bull..

Why is it that those who think the tweet was a disgrace means that they are crying for paras?

You clearly have not read my posts and views on this.

And if you have, then I’d seriously question your comprehension!

You don’t need to be anti Brit and hate the brits to be a proud Irish person

I just wish more people realized this

What sort of rubbish is that. Who mentioned anything about hating the brits.

walshb · 30-11-2020 11:13pm

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

What sort of rubbish is that. Who mentioned anything about hating the brits.

Not near as rubbish as your claiming my crying for paras..

Fuascailteoir · 30-11-2020 11:14pm

walshb wrote: »

Not near as rubbish as your claiming my crying for paras..

Yeah good luck

walshb · 30-11-2020 11:19pm

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

You said the tweet was hurtful. To who exactly?. Should no one should pass comment on them as it might hurt their feelings to be reminded of what a shower of reprehensible psychopaths they are. The fact is that they had gotten away with murder and torture for decades in areas with little coverage. That changed in Ireland

So all those people who lost their lives..

Their loved ones. Their mother’s, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters and others..Means nothing to them, or you?

What sort of person are you?

I am Irish. Someone who never criticised the armed struggle from nationalists..

That was then. This is now.

I can separate an armed conflict from humans who died and whose relatives were so badly traumatised..On BOTH sides

Feisar · 30-11-2020 11:24pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Well, for a start, the British at Kilmichael had a chance to fight back. They got to look their enemy in the face and go toe to toe and took their chances. The British killed at Warrenpoint had no such chance, from a bomb initiated in the South.

To be fair that’s a cracking way to wage war. Ya don’t want the other lad to have a chance. Body bag for him, home to tea for me. Who the hell wouldn’t want them odds?

Feisar · 30-11-2020 11:27pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Just one thing, the acts themselves were carried out by a terrorist group called the Provisional IRA who were NOT representative of the population!

'The Irish people's reaction' was one of horror and disgust, obviously not from Republicans who probably celebrated as the bodies parts were collected and put in plastic bags, but the rest of the island was horrified. And don't forget the PIRA were not only fighting against the security forces up North, they were also at it down here too, so they were our enemy as well as being the enemy up North.

One cannot take something by force and them be upset when the lad you took it from takes up a rifle.

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 11:30pm

walshb wrote: »

So all those people who lost their lives..

Their loved ones. There mother’s, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters and others..Means nothing to them, or you?

What sort of person are you?

I am Irish. Someone who never criticised the armed struggle from nationalists..

That was then. This is now.

I can separate an armed conflict from humans who died and whose relatives were so badly traumatised..On BOTH sides

Soldiers are celebrated/commemorated every year here. Those who killed and maimed humans here and the world over. Michael Martin the latest to do it with the poppy in his lapel. How do you think that makes victims feel?
Do you ask 'What sort of person is Michael Martin?'

You want to censor comment on the conflict, seems to me you only want one side to be censored.
Seems to me the best way to approach this is a full and frank discussion of the legacy issues and then everyone remembers their dead with respect to the victims of their dead.

Fuascailteoir · 30-11-2020 11:38pm

walshb wrote: »

So all those people who lost their lives..

Their loved ones. There mother’s, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters and others..Means nothing to them, or you?

What sort of person are you?

I am Irish. Someone who never criticised the armed struggle from nationalists..

That was then. This is now.

I can separate an armed conflict from humans who died and whose relatives were so badly traumatised..On BOTH sides

Those who lost their lives? you mean as in the BA that died in Warren point? They came to Ireland as part of an oppressive regime and chose to put their boot on the neck of the locals. Just as they had done in countless other countries where they chose to maim, torture and murder.

walshb · 30-11-2020 11:47pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Soldiers are celebrated/commemorated every year here. Those who killed and maimed humans here and the world over. Michael Martin the latest to do it with the poppy in his lapel. How do you think that makes victims feel?
Do you ask 'What sort of person is Michael Martin?'

You want to censor comment on the conflict, seems to me you only want one side to be censored.
Seems to me the best way to approach this is a full and frank discussion of the legacy issues and then everyone remembers their dead with respect to the victims of their dead.

I think I have been very clear here..

Both sides need to show restraint, decorum and respect..I will simply call out what I believe to be wrong from either side..

I also can sympathise and empathise with both sides on their losses.

Isn’t this the attitude needed, and the attitude that has gotten us this far?

Call me a caring gentle moderate nationalist...

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 11:49pm

walshb wrote: »

I think I have been very clear here..

Both sides need to show restraint, decorum and respect..I will simply call out what I believe to be wrong from either side..

I also can sympathise and empathise with both sides on their losses.

Isn’t this the attitude needed, and the attitude that has gotten us this far?

Call me a caring gentle moderate nationalist...

Link me to where you called out wrong before?

walshb · 30-11-2020 11:50pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Link me to where you called out wrong before?

What?

The marches by unionists-loyalists in nationalist areas.

Disgusting!

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 11:52pm

walshb wrote: »

What?

The marches by unionists-loyalists in nationalist areas.

Disgusting!

Link me to where you called them out?

walshb · 30-11-2020 11:53pm

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Those who lost their lives? you mean as in the BA that died in Warren point? They came to Ireland as part of an oppressive regime and chose to put their boot on the neck of the locals. Just as they had done in countless other countries where they chose to maim, torture and murder.

And as a human, does their loved ones and families ever enter your mind?

They are people . No different to many other people..

I certainly am not crying for paras.

But I can, as a caring human, empathise with their loved ones on their loss.

walshb · 30-11-2020 11:54pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Link me to where you called them out?

Are you on a wind up?

What is this?

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 11:56pm

walshb wrote: »

Are you on a wind up?

What is this?

You said you called out all sides if they do something like this, or loyalist marches. Asking you to post a link to where you have done this.

42,000 posts since 2005, there must be plenty.

walshb · 30-11-2020 11:59pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You said you called out all sides if they do something like this, or loyalist marches. Asking you to post a link to where you have done this.

42,000 posts since 2005, there must be plenty.

Hold on..

So I need to have a post on boards now claiming loyalists marching into nationalist areas is disgusting, to what, make you happy?

Are you for real..?

In this thread I have said it. Twice on this thread..

Tell you what. Start a thread on it and I’ll post my disagreement to it for you.

smurgen · 01-12-2020 12:00am

walshb wrote: »

And as a human, does their loved ones and families ever enter your mind?

They are people . No different to many other people..

I certainly am not crying for paras.

But I can, as a caring human, empathise with their loved ones on their loss.

About as much as I would for ISIS brides.

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 12:04am

walshb wrote: »

Hold on..

So I need to have a post on boards now claiming loyalists marching into nationalist areas is disgusting, to what, make you happy?

Are you for real..?

In this thread I have said it. Twice on this thread..

Tell you what. Start a thread on it and I’ll post my disagreement to it for you.

So it would be fair to say you haven't in fact called out other 'wrongs' except this one.
I wasn't trying to catch you out, although it's odd that you haven't.

I wanted to ask if you would be in favour of banning these marches in a UI or even now in the north as a 'solution' as you seem to think banning or banishing this tweeter is a 'solution' or when you would be ready for a mature discussion of 'how we remember' going forward?

Dyr · 01-12-2020 12:08am

walshb wrote: »

I think I have been very clear here..

Both sides need to show restraint, decorum and respect..I will simply call out what I believe to be wrong from either side..

Both sides, you posted anything about this?

https://twitter.com/eastantrimmp/status/1333485393719783432

Funny old game the both sides thing.

walshb · 01-12-2020 12:18am

Bambi wrote: »

Both sides, you posted anything about this?

https://twitter.com/eastantrimmp/status/1333485393719783432

Funny old game the both sides thing.

Wrong that.

So post a thread on unionist issues and we’ll log in and condemn..

This thread could concerns the SF tweet..

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 12:20am

walshb wrote: »

Wrong that.

So post a thread on unionist issues and we’ll log in and condemn..

This thread could concerns the SF tweet..

Thread is about a Unionist - Arlene Foster.

walshb · 01-12-2020 12:21am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So it would be fair to say you haven't in fact called out other 'wrongs' except this one.
I wasn't trying to catch you out, although it's odd that you haven't.

I wanted to ask if you would be in favour of banning these marches in a UI or even now in the north as a 'solution' as you seem to think banning or banishing this tweeter is a 'solution' or when you would be ready for a mature discussion of 'how we remember' going forward?

Francie, I am a wee bit of a nationalist..

Just not as hardline as you..

Loyalist marches into nationalist areas is abhorrent.

walshb · 01-12-2020 12:22am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Thread is about a Unionist - Arlene Foster.

Her complaining about a SF tweet..

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 12:25am

walshb wrote: »

Francie, I am a wee bit of a nationalist..

Just not as hardline as you..

You are a nationalist who made a big deal about how you would call out anyone who did something like this and weren't able to show where you had done this.

A nationalist who only calls out the wrongs of nationalists...hmmmm

Not buying that one quite yet.

I'm not hardline in the slightest...I'm looking for solutions to this, because it isn't just about a tweet and it's not going to be found in hypocritical high moral grounding either.

FrancieBrady · 01-12-2020 12:27am

walshb wrote: »

Her complaining about a SF tweet..

Perfect opportunity to call her out and her party...if it's about both sides. There is already two threads dealing with the tweet.

walshb · 01-12-2020 12:37am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are a nationalist who made a big deal about how you would call out anyone who did something like this and weren't able to show where you had done this.

A nationalist who only calls out the wrongs of nationalists...hmmmm

Not buying that one quite yet.

I'm not hardline in the slightest...I'm looking for solutions to this, because it isn't just about a tweet and it's not going to be found in hypocritical high moral grounding either.

Like I said. Any threads about Unionists/loyalists wrongs?

I have no issue condemning..

Arlene Foster at it again...

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