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Monkey2019 · 25-03-2020 9:58am

My friend's parents travelled to Spain 2 weeks ago - knowing how bad things were.
Seen her mam on Facebook then complaing they had to book a flight to get home early and it cost them 1200e and they lost 2 days of their holiday.

Zero sympathy!

whisky_galore · 25-03-2020 9:58am

Authors of their own misfortune.

Wuff Wuff · 25-03-2020 9:58am

Monkey2019 wrote: »

My friend's parents travelled to Spain 2 weeks ago - knowing how bad things were.
Seen her mam on Facebook then complaing they had to book a flight to get home early and it cost them 1200e and they lost 2 days of their holiday.

Zero sympathy!

serves them right imo

bucketybuck · 25-03-2020 10:00am

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

What I have noticed was there are some people who are a few weeks into a 6/10/12 month travel journey who are asking for the government to fund their flights home..... makes you wonder how they were planning to fund their travel for the remainder of their trip (a lot of countries don’t permit work as a tourist)

Its not about who pays for the flight, it is about there being a flight at all so you are pretty off base with that comment.

I know a backpacker who is now stuck in Peru and she would happily pay for a flight home, but the fact is that Peru is in full lockdown, full quarantine and so she has no options regarding travel. I haven't much sympathy for people off travelling the world but she can hardly make a 747 appear with a click of her fingers can she.

bucketybuck · 25-03-2020 10:03am

I will say one thing, I do dislike this narrative about all these people flooding home from Australia to help the motherland in its time of crisis, and that the government should be doing all it can to get them back here to the front lines. :rolleyes:

Tell it like it is, the work dried up and your visa isn't getting renewed.

BanditLuke · 25-03-2020 10:07am

I think the government should do all they can to get anyone home who has a medical condition and has been unable to return home for whatever reason until now. For instance if there was someone who had suffered a stroke and was in hospital and now has been released due to the need for beds for the virus etc.. but really anyone who went on holiday or business to another country and is stuck there now should be left to deal with the results of their actions as they are highly irresponsible and selfish.

Rodney Bathgate · 25-03-2020 10:07am

bucketybuck wrote: »

I will say one thing, I do dislike this narrative about all these people flooding home from Australia to help the motherland in its time of crisis, and that the government should be doing all it can to get them back here to the front lines. :rolleyes:

Tell it like it is, the work dried up and your visa isn't getting renewed.

Shame on you, you are talking about our best and brightest there. Show some respect.

Irishphotodesk · 25-03-2020 10:08am

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

While I'm sure some people would have no problem pulling off that sort of scam, wasn't a big part of it that there were no flights to bring people home, so the government organised the plane? I could be wrong there...

The world and it’s mother knew countries borders were closing, if you were traveling around in a foreign country and choose to ignore the facts, you should be forced to live with your decision and not expect that the government will send a team of people into a country to ensure you can get home so you can do the stay indoors and not move.

What difference does it make if they are in some far off country or home, they will be expected to stay indoors and not go out.... or is it a case of they know the military in other countries won’t take any excuses or that they expect that the Irish authorities will say “ah shur it’s grand” .

I have been at home for a week solid, my wife has left the house yesterday for the first time in almost 2 weeks (excluding our front and back garden ...to do gardening), she decided to go to the shop for a break (and quickly came home ) because of the amount of people unaware of social distances... it seems people only care about their own social distance and don’t consider if they are encroaching on your space.

Today I’m going to the shops to get paint because that’s what we are going to spend the next few weeks doing.... painting, fences, sheds and some rooms indoors....she doesn’t want to venture outside again until this is done (I’m genuinely worried for her mental health)

So...after that tangent, I think the people who are stuck in other countries should stay there and experience lockdown in that country and not try to get home...especially if they opted to go traveling knowing this virus was spreading.

skooterblue2 · 25-03-2020 10:09am

bucketybuck wrote: »

Tell it like it is, the work dried up and your visa isn't getting renewed.

I think we are going to get a much rougher ride than promised. I think this is the start of a bigger financial crash.

Beasty · 25-03-2020 10:09am

Threads merged

skooterblue2 · 25-03-2020 10:13am

BanditLuke wrote: »

I think the government should do all they can to get anyone home who has a medical condition and has been unable to return home for whatever reason until now. For instance if there was someone who had suffered a stroke and was in hospital and now has been released due to the need for beds for the virus etc.. but really anyone who went on holiday or business to another country and is stuck there now should be left to deal with the results of their actions as they are highly irresponsible and selfish.

At this stage you are where you are. I am fine with the shutters coming down for Tourists and business travellers until this virus looks like its lifting. If you didnt see this coming as late as two months ago, you dont deserve a passport.

Irishphotodesk · 25-03-2020 10:16am

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its not about who pays for the flight, it is about there being a flight at all so you are pretty off base with that comment.

I know a backpacker who is now stuck in Peru and she would happily pay for a flight home, but the fact is that Peru is in full lockdown, full quarantine and so she has no options regarding travel. I haven't much sympathy for people off travelling the world but she can hardly make a 747 appear with a click of her fingers can she.

Is your friend in Peru conscious of the fact that she will be expected to stay indoors and isolated if the government send a plane and crew over to an infected country, to bring her home....can’t she just stay indoors in Peru instead of asking for others to be put at risk of infection ...and for what...I think it’s quite selfish of those in foreign countries to ask to be taken out of one country and brought back home. When the end result will/should be the same, social isolation.

Let me put it another way, when we have a storm off the coast of this country, do you think those that go out for a swim or go kitesurfing are doing the right thing or do you think they are putting emergency service personnel in danger because of their actions....in my head it’s incredibly similar to your friends situation.

batman_oh · 25-03-2020 10:40am

Had booked Japan for the Olympics, which have now been cancelled. Unfortunately all that means is I get the tickets moved to 2021 and still have flights to Japan to stay places that were payed mountains of money for due to the Olympics, with no Olympics

Is it wrong to hope that we can't travel to Japan by July 31st so I can have the flights changed to next year when they are actually on!

Quin_Dub · 25-03-2020 11:43am

batman_oh wrote: »

Had booked Japan for the Olympics, which have now been cancelled. Unfortunately all that means is I get the tickets moved to 2021 and still have flights to Japan to stay places that were payed mountains of money for due to the Olympics, with no Olympics
Is it wrong to hope that we can't travel to Japan by July 31st so I can have the flights changed to next year when they are actually on!

Pretty much every airline on earth is offering free changes to your flights, they'll almost certainly be scheduled for the same time slot next year so just rebook them .

Del Griffith · 25-03-2020 11:50am

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Pretty much every airline on earth is offering free changes to your flights, they'll almost certainly be scheduled for the same time slot next year so just rebook them .

No chance of being able to book a flight over a year in advance. Maybe you could get vouchers though.

biko · 25-03-2020 1:22pm

It sucks losing money on travel plans but if there ever was a force majeure...

PhilOssophy · 25-03-2020 2:34pm

There was another eejit stuck in Melbourne on Morning Ireland this morning, complaining that he can't get home.
Its not as though he's stuck in a famine in South Sudan FFS.

skooterblue2 · 25-03-2020 3:17pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

There was another eejit stuck in Melbourne on Morning Ireland this morning, complaining that he can't get home.
Its not as though he's stuck in a famine in South Sudan FFS.

What can they do? They cant deport him to a country that is closed. He was closer to China and should have seen this coming. Sit tight, we are sending you two thumbs up and the best of Irish luck. Fuppin' eejit (the goon in Oz, not the commenter).

Conology · 25-03-2020 3:51pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Are you traveling outside of Ireland in the next few weeks?will you go now because the coronavirus is getting worse or will you cancel?
Im due to go to prague in 2 weeks and i don't know if i should?

Mod: It has been suggested to merge this with the main Corona thread, but I think a dedicated thread about travel has merit. If it becomes too much like the main thread, I'll just merge the two.

NO, wont be travelling. Cant see how it makes sense to go to a country to be placed in "Self Isolation" for 14 days & then come home & probably have to do the same here.... no logic to it either way, so we'll be staying home & try to sit it out.

PhilOssophy · 26-03-2020 6:20pm

There is more today, the 6 heroes arriving from Perth.
I don't for 1 second believe they are home because there's a national emergency.
The tax payer probably funded the flight and they'll be gone again in 6 months, or else they wanted to come home anyway.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-03-2020 7:10pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

There is more today, the 6 heroes arriving from Perth.
I don't for 1 second believe they are home because there's a national emergency.
The tax payer probably funded the flight and they'll be gone again in 6 months, or else they wanted to come home anyway.

So you don’t have a clue what their motives are, you just know they’re wrong’ns.

Christ, it really amuses me whey I see someone who just wants to be nasty and they don’t care what reason they use to justify it. Any reason will do, eh Phil?

They’re doctors, not dole scrounges. Doctors coming back to Ireland in a medical emergency, to help me and you if we need them. Have you seen what happens when a health service is overrun? Have a look on the news at what a hospital in Spain looks like right now and see if we need those 80 doctors coming form oz.

You should be ashamed of yourself if you have any sense of shame at all.

Purple Mountain · 26-03-2020 7:12pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

There is more today, the 6 heroes arriving from Perth.
I don't for 1 second believe they are home because there's a national emergency.
The tax payer probably funded the flight and they'll be gone again in 6 months, or else they wanted to come home anyway.

Do they not have to go into isolation for 2 weeks?

PhilOssophy · 26-03-2020 8:08pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So you don’t have a clue what their motives are, you just know they’re wrong’ns.

Christ, it really amuses me whey I see someone who just wants to be nasty and they don’t care what reason they use to justify it. Any reason will do, eh Phil?

They’re doctors, not dole scrounges. Doctors coming back to Ireland in a medical emergency, to help me and you if we need them. Have you seen what happens when a health service is overrun? Have a look on the news at what a hospital in Spain looks like right now and see if we need those 80 doctors coming form oz.

You should be ashamed of yourself if you have any sense of shame at all.

I never said we didn't need them, nor am I trying to be nasty to anyone, so take a chill pill there dude.

I am not convinced that they are coming home to be heroes, I feel they were probably coming home anyway. I just hate this triumphalist arriving in the airport "oh aren't we such heroes altogether".

There are thousands of real heroes in our health service who didn't leave to go to Australia, many of whom have worked in dreadful conditions in our health service for many years and saved thousands of lives in the process. These are the real heroes of our health service.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-03-2020 9:42pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I never said we didn't need them, nor am I trying to be nasty to anyone, so take a chill pill there dude.

I am not convinced that they are coming home to be heroes, I feel they were probably coming home anyway. I just hate this triumphalist arriving in the airport "oh aren't we such heroes altogether".

There are thousands of real heroes in our health service who didn't leave to go to Australia, many of whom have worked in dreadful conditions in our health service for many years and saved thousands of lives in the process. These are the real heroes of our health service.

Lol at the backtracking. I hope you’re genuinely a bit ashamed of yourself for this guff. We need doctors and they answered the call for doctors to come help you and me and particularly to save our older and vulnerable relatives. And you call them “heroes”. They don’t call themselves heroes. You’re just being a nasty piece of work taking the p1ss out of people who are here to help you and all the old people who will desperately need medical help in the near future.

You have absolutely no idea when they intended to return to Ireland. You’re making that up and if you were being honest, you’d admit that. Shame on you. Shame, shame, shame.

PhilOssophy · 27-03-2020 7:49am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol at the backtracking. I hope you’re genuinely a bit ashamed of yourself for this guff. We need doctors and they answered the call for doctors to come help you and me and particularly to save our older and vulnerable relatives. And you call them “heroes”. They don’t call themselves heroes. You’re just being a nasty piece of work taking the p1ss out of people who are here to help you and all the old people who will desperately need medical help in the near future.

You have absolutely no idea when they intended to return to Ireland. You’re making that up and if you were being honest, you’d admit that. Shame on you. Shame, shame, shame.

Well you clearly have strong feelings here. I didn't take the p1ss out of anyone and stand by my original post. I'm not ashamed of anything and don't care what you think. What about all the thousands of people who have come out of retirement, should we have a photo op and fanfare for all of these too?

To call me a nasty piece of work says a lot about you

smurfjed · 27-03-2020 8:18am

Yep I will keep on travelling as it’s part of my job description.

El_Duderino 09 · 27-03-2020 10:08am

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Well you clearly have strong feelings here. I didn't take the p1ss out of anyone and stand by my original post. I'm not ashamed of anything and don't care what you think. What about all the thousands of people who have come out of retirement, should we have a photo op and fanfare for all of these too?

To call me a nasty piece of work says a lot about you

I applaud the ones who have come out of retirement too. I don’t pretend to know their motives like you pretend to know the returning healthcare workers’ motives. Pretending to know these healthcare workers were coming home anyway demonstrates a nasty streak in you.

Did the returning healthcare workers all get a photo op? Did they ask for a photo op? What’s your problem with someone taking their photo and offering a sincere “thank you” to them?

As a matter of interest, do you pretend to know the motives for the healthcare workers coming out of retirement to help?

Are you jealous of the healthcare workers returning and healthcare worker coming out or retirement to help? What’s your actual beef?

PS. I do have strong feelings on this. I have moderate feelings of gratitude towards the healthcare workers returning and healthcare worker coming out or retirement to help. I have strong feelings of revulsion to any nasty piece of work who would take the p1ss out of them for doing it.

Pretending to know they were coming home anyway to justify your nasty sentiments towards them. I’m mortified for whoever raised you and left you with such nasty sentiments towards healthcare workers - people who are doing exactly what we need right now. Shame on you.

whisky_galore · 27-03-2020 6:10pm

If all the non Irish HSE workers went home to help their countries we would be pretty fooked.

RiseAbove4 · 28-03-2020 3:20pm

Where - if anywhere - is still open to tourists in;

- Europe
- South East Asia ?

- or anywhere warm and decent really

None of the articles I’ve seen seem to be upto date with the latest info

HeidiHeidi · 28-03-2020 3:21pm

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Where - if anywhere - is still open to tourists in;

- Europe
- South East Asia ?

- or anywhere warm and decent really

None of the articles I’ve seen seem to be upto date with the latest info

Really???

RiseAbove4 · 28-03-2020 5:37pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Really???

Yes

Ireland is fùcked with this. The HSE can’t handle a normal week, let alone this

Beechwoodspark · 07-04-2020 7:21pm

Is there a case to be made for barring all flights into Ireland except for;

1-Flights with exclusively Irish passengers by that I mean Irish passport holders - they all should get a virus check on arrival and then strict isolation for 14 days regardless

2-Emergency flights of medical workers with the all clear from virus

3-Cargo flights with no passengers

The aim being to eradicate the virus being brought here via air travel

Beechwoodspark · 07-04-2020 7:40pm

Also just to add -

I’ve heard numerous ppl (family friends work colleagues and randomers) ask with incredulity why the airport is still open?

This is something that surely needs to be addressed if we are to win the war against this b*stard of a virus.

endacl · 07-04-2020 7:43pm

It's already here. What would closing the airports achieve? Nobody's flying for leisure these days.

stephenjmcd · 07-04-2020 7:43pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Is there a case to be made for barring all flights into Ireland except for;

1-Flights with exclusively Irish passengers by that I mean Irish passport holders - they all should get a virus check on arrival and then strict isolation for 14 days regardless

2-Emergency flights of medical workers with the all clear from virus

3-Cargo flights with no passengers

The aim being to eradicate the virus being brought here via air travel

You do know that the airport traffic is down 95%, the only people on flights are those being repatriated or those having travel for essential reasons.

Just look at flight radar over Ireland and dublin airport website.

Flights wont be barred, its been discussed time and time agian on the main thread

Beasty · 07-04-2020 7:44pm

Threads merged

Beechwoodspark · 07-04-2020 7:47pm

Why are ppl so definitive that flights will not be barred? Is there not a case to ban until this virus is under control?

Beechwoodspark · 07-04-2020 7:49pm

endacl wrote: »

It's already here. What would closing the airports achieve? Nobody's flying for leisure these days.

If we allow travel in then ppl with the virus can come in and infect previously “all clear” communities

Beechwoodspark · 07-04-2020 7:50pm

Mr.S wrote: »

The virus is here. A handful of people arriving every day will not change things that much, they are told to self-isolate on arrival for 14 days.

Banning flights will just trap people who need to get home. Counter-productive at this stage.

Where are you getting a handful of ppl arriving?

Also- do you realise it just takes a few ppl to spread it to hundreds.

This virus is more infectious than many ppl think

Beechwoodspark · 07-04-2020 7:55pm

Mr.S wrote: »

Planes are arriving virtually empty. There are under 15 flights arriving into Dublin tomorrow. Do the math.

If those people arriving self-isolate, the risk is low. I can't speak for every person, but i'm pretty sure that nearly 100% of the people arriving are Irish citizens / residents (or people with family here) abroad coming home.

Is it better to keep those people trapped outside of Ireland? No.

I would agree we need to accept Irish back in (passport holders). I’d be of the view to bar all others for 2 weeks then see where we are

Beechwoodspark · 07-04-2020 7:57pm

I get the feeling Shane ross just is not bothered/asleep at the wheel due to his failure to get re elected

and all the while every day through dublin Shannon cork etc ppl with the virus are waltzing in and there goes our great isolation strategy.

snotboogie · 07-04-2020 8:04pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol at the backtracking. I hope you’re genuinely a bit ashamed of yourself for this guff. We need doctors and they answered the call for doctors to come help you and me and particularly to save our older and vulnerable relatives. And you call them “heroes”. They don’t call themselves heroes. You’re just being a nasty piece of work taking the p1ss out of people who are here to help you and all the old people who will desperately need medical help in the near future.

You have absolutely no idea when they intended to return to Ireland. You’re making that up and if you were being honest, you’d admit that. Shame on you. Shame, shame, shame.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Same as that. Going to Kraków in 2 weeks. I couldn’t give A shyte about coronavirus. Greatest load of nonsense I’ve ever seen and I think it’s just a celebrity version of the flu.

If you have respiratory problems or are old or infirm, then think again. But if you’re young and healthy, go to Prague and have a nice time.

I’ve heard they drive like mad over in Eastern Europe so I’d keep an eye out for that as it’s a real concern.

Amazing how fast things change

anewme · 07-04-2020 8:10pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Heading with the wife and kids to Milan for the Patrick's weekend break. I've all booked and paid for so here's hoping theres no travel restrictions.

None of us are at risk so I'm not too worried to be honest.

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Ha! Words with HR

If someone wants to pay me to stay at home after my holiday they're more than welcome. I'd imagine you'll get short shrift if you were in pestering HR about this.

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Well I'm self-employed so that doesn't really apply to me.

But to be honest I'd be delighted with that. Head on my holidays and then get two further weeks off to "self-isolate". I'd bring the family on a second holiday while work paid me. Win-win.

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Well my flights were cancelled unfortunately. Insurance covered most of it.

It's actually worked out better for me as I left for Cheltenham yesterday afternoon (without the wife Nd kids). I'm feeling lucky today so I hope to make back any money lost on the nags.

Please don't talk about back pedalling without mentioning this poster. Same poster started a long thread the other night, his opening post now has more than 300 thanks, saying how fantastic Leo is and what an inspiration he is to the rest of us and should set an example to others. I asked him to comment on his do as I say not as I do attitude as displayed on these posts, but for some reasons, it did not suit him to do so?

Beechwoodspark · 07-04-2020 8:12pm

Mr.S wrote: »

All 2 flights arriving into Cork tomorrow?
All 1 flight arriving into Shannon (Cargo) tomorrow?

As I said in my post earlier I’m ok with cargo flights.

Del Griffith · 07-04-2020 10:10pm

They current restrictions will expire next week, and presumably be extended. I wonder will the airlines and the rest of us get guidance for June. I've big plans for the end of June, don't mind postponing but would like to know if we're going to get the money back or a reschedule, sick of the limbo.

Beechwoodspark · 07-04-2020 10:59pm

I am leaning towards barring flights out til August September time but review it every week.

Have an expert group assembled and the review should be done by public health and epidemology experts overseen by Dr Tony Holohan.

The aviation industry should NOT have any influence on the issue.

If carriers go to the walls so be it. There are too many flights as it is but that is beside the point —Some things are simply more important.

HeidiHeidi · 07-04-2020 11:22pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

If we allow travel in then ppl with the virus can come in and infect previously “all clear” communities

I'm not sure there are any "all clear" communities any more

Mrcaramelchoc · 08-04-2020 10:21am

Has anyone got a refund from ryanair yet?i got a please bear with us email 10 days ago but nothing else.

Thelonious Monk · 08-04-2020 10:22am

Mr.S wrote: »

Planes are arriving virtually empty. There are under 15 flights arriving into Dublin tomorrow. Do the math.

Not on my watch. It's MATHS.

PhilOssophy · 08-04-2020 8:00pm

While the numbers coming in might be small, their ability to further spread this virus could be significantly more than these numbers.
Nobody should be travelling anywhere at the moment, in/out, and while maybe an outright ban is a bit far, I would think you should have to justify your travel into the country at least.

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