I did not want to show the world the sadness in my eyes.

seamus · 26-02-2020 12:16pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

In practice, if you believe it just because she said it happened then that prejudices your view of the person who is accused.

Well, it does if a named person has been accused. It doesn't if nobody has been accused.

If someone of either gender comes out and reveals that they were raped/attacked without going into specifics, I will tend towards believing them unless they have past form to cause me to doubt them.

Because there's very little to gain. Nobody becomes rich or famous off the back of making a rape allegation. There is a minor subset of sociopaths who appreciate the short-lived attention, but they're rare.

So if someone like Duffy, who I've no reason to doubt, reveals that she went through this, then by default I'm erring on the side of believing her because the act of making the statement is in itself evidence that it's probably true.

Obviously that "if they said it, it's probably true", doesn't hold universally, but for such a serious allegation the number of false statements is a tiny percentage of all statements. Thus the balance of probabilities is such that she's probably telling the truth.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 12:17pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

You're not wrong, but is there enough anything to say it didn't?

This is the problem, as soon as a woman says anything - she has not made a single accusation by the way just noted that she went through something horrific - people feel the need to say "well, you could be lying" without a single shred of anything contrary.

Of course there's not enough to say that it didn't happen. There's absolutely no disconfirming evidence that I know of.

There's just a tiny bit of evidence that it did happen and that's not enough to believe anything.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 12:20pm

seamus wrote: »

Well, it does if a named person has been accused. It doesn't if nobody has been accused.

If someone of either gender comes out and reveals that they were raped/attacked without going into specifics, I will tend towards believing them unless they have past form to cause me to doubt them.

Because there's very little to gain. Nobody becomes rich or famous off the back of making a rape allegation. There is a minor subset of sociopaths who appreciate the short-lived attention, but they're rare.

So if someone like Duffy, who I've no reason to doubt, reveals that she went through this, then by default I'm erring on the side of believing her because the act of making the statement is in itself evidence that it's probably true.

Obviously that "if they said it, it's probably true", doesn't hold universally, but for such a serious allegation the number of false statements is a tiny percentage of all statements. Thus the balance of probabilities is such that she's probably telling the truth.

Why believe anything without enough evidence? Why not just say "I don't have enough evidence to know one way or the other"?

And surely you acknowledge the evidence we have is very small. It's just one person's say so.

But back to the first line of your response. So you're now inclined to believe her so what will you think of the accused if she makes an accusation against a person? If you believe her, then you're almost certainly inclined to believe the person did it. And that's just not right based on so little evidence.

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2020 12:21pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

There's just a tiny bit of evidence that it did happen and that's not enough to believe anything.

And that's all there often is when it comes to a sexual assault claim - her word against his & the masses.

Again, 'tis little wonder women decide to say nothing, rather than get dragged through the mud.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 12:26pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

And that's all there often is when it comes to a sexual assault claim - her word against his & the masses.

Again, 'tis little wonder women decide to say nothing, rather than get dragged through the mud.

No there is not just the accuser's word and the accused's word. There's a legal process and a court case and a trial and a verdict.

So there's absolutely no need for me to make a decision on belief when there's almost no evidence. Anyone who actively believes (or disbelieves) anything based on so little evidence might be a total dope if they apply that standard to everything.

As I've said re people reporting rape "My approach is: if someone’s tells me they were raped I’d treat them with the compassion as if they definitely were raped but I’d also want to verify whether it’s actually true before I’d believe it". And that's how I think the legal system should treat them too.

seamus · 26-02-2020 12:48pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And surely you acknowledge the evidence we have is very small. It's just one person's say so.

Absolutely. But one person's say so against nothing else, is already stacking it in their favour. We don't forensically examine all statements for truthfulness. The reality is that we as a society generally give all statements the benefit of the doubt unless we have reason to believe otherwise.

We couldn't function as a society if we treated every statement as "neither true or false". You might assert that indeed you don't believe anything when presented with no evidence, but that's not correct. You do it all day, every day;

Your wife tells you, "some prick cut me off driving home". You don't sympathise while thinking in the back of your head, "I have no evidence for this statement therfore I will remain neutral on it". You believe her, because the fact that she was inclined enough to tell you in the first place means it probably happened; that is, people in general don't just make up sh1t for no reason.

Even legally we do this: If I make a small claim against a business and they don't contest it, I will win. The veracity of my claim is not tested unless it conflicts with someone else's. Thus my claim is assumed to be truthful until contradicted.

So you're now inclined to believe her so what will you think of the accused if she makes an accusation against a person?

Then it's a different matter. It comes down to whatever conflicts arise between the two statements. The fact that I initially gave the statement the benefit of the doubt has no bearing on my willingness to re-examine it.

creditcarder · 26-02-2020 12:48pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t believe her just because she said it. All we have is one person’s word. But I don’t disbelieve her either.

If someone’s tells me they were raped I’d treat them with the compassion as if they definitely were raped but I’d also want to verify whether it’s actually true before I’d believe it.

I wouldn't give sympathy or question if it was in person, I'd just let them talk and the story will come out or it wouldn't

Online though, I don't believe her but that's a knee jerk reaction of mine after me too :P

Edit: Eh, I don't believe her. It's too absurd imo.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 1:03pm

seamus wrote: »

Absolutely. But one person's say so against nothing else, is already stacking it in their favour. We don't forensically examine all statements for truthfulness. The reality is that we as a society generally give all statements the benefit of the doubt unless we have reason to believe otherwise.

We couldn't function as a society if we treated every statement as "neither true or false". You might assert that indeed you don't believe anything when presented with no evidence, but that's not correct. You do it all day, every day;

Your wife tells you, "some prick cut me off driving home". You don't sympathise while thinking in the back of your head, "I have no evidence for this statement therfore I will remain neutral on it". You believe her, because the fact that she was inclined enough to tell you in the first place means it probably happened; that is, people in general don't just make up sh1t for no reason.

Even legally we do this: If I make a small claim against a business and they don't contest it, I will win. The veracity of my claim is not tested unless it conflicts with someone else's. Thus my claim is assumed to be truthful until contradicted.

Then it's a different matter. It comes down to whatever conflicts arise between the two statements. The fact that I initially gave the statement the benefit of the doubt has no bearing on my willingness to re-examine it.

We don't forensically examine everything we hear but that doesn't mean we believe everything we hear either. If there's nothing at stake then we just behave as though we believe but that's actually different than believing. If someone tells me it drizzled a bit yesterday, I take them at their word. But they could be mistaken, they could have mixed up the days, they could have meant it drizzled in another town they were in or I could have misunderstood them. But since I don't really care whether it drizzled or not and there's nothing at stake, then I don't bother to find out more.

When the stakes are higher then it absolutely makes sense to examine whether it's true or not. When someone says they were raped, I think that's a pretty high stakes claim. If you believe them just because they said it, then how can you give the person they accused, a fair hearing? or would you also believe the accused when they deny it just because they said so?

That's why I said I would treat the person as though they have ben raped, but I don't believe it just because they said it. That's just not enough evidence. The great news is that none of us have to know the answer to the question of whether Duffy was raped or not. And I for one, don't pretend to know one way or the other.

The idea that you don't allow your belief to colour new information, is naïve.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 1:04pm

creditcarder wrote: »

I wouldn't give sympathy or question if it was in person, I'd just let them talk and the story will come out or it wouldn't

Online though, I don't believe her but that's a knee jerk reaction of mine after me too :P

Edit: Eh, I don't believe her. It's too absurd imo.

do you actively disbelieve her?

weldoninhio · 26-02-2020 1:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you are projecting extreme views onto me. I am not saying I disbelieve her story i just feel that for such a serious crime as this there would be one or two more details. It is just vague enough to have me feeling a bit sceptical.

It would seem vague if you haven't read it. She stated in her post that she had a very long chat with a journalist who will be reporting the full story. She wasn't vague about that. :rolleyes: You keep on being skeptical though.

26-02-2020 1:06pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Where are you getting this from? Are you certain it hasn't been investigated? Or even completely dealt with? Or even what jurisdiction it happened in?

No, you've no idea - all you have to go off is the same instagram screenshot as the rest of us but decide she's lying right off the bat.

No wonder women feel they can't report/say anything.

Absolutely agree with you. I am willing to believe it but at the same time it is so light on detail for such a grave crime that it just smells strange.

It's like "Yeah sorry I was living a low key life for a few years...yada yada.......i was drugged, raped and kidnapped.....yada yada....."

The way the message was conveyed was so casual and vague on the details for something so shocking is strange to me.

26-02-2020 1:08pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

It would seem vague if you haven't read it. She stated in her post that she had a very long chat with a journalist who will be reporting the full story. She wasn't vague about that. :rolleyes: You keep on being skeptical though.

Fair enough. I am happy to change my mind.

weldoninhio · 26-02-2020 1:08pm

magic_murph wrote: »

Too many people craving attention these days that why so many people are skeptical and rightly so.

She had attention, she was a chart topping singer. You think one day she decided "I don't want attention" and disappeared, then a few years later thought "Feck the singing for fame, I want rape fame"???

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2020 1:10pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

She had attention, she was a chart topping singer. You think one day she decided "I don't want attention" and disappeared, then a few years later thought "Feck the singing for fame, I want rape fame"???

There will be no end to the mental gymnastics that will be applied to automatically deciding that she, or anyone who reports rape - is a liar.

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2020 1:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely agree with you. I am willing to believe it but at the same time it is so light on detail for such a grave crime that it just smells strange.

It's like "Yeah sorry I was living a low key life for a few years...yada yada.......i was drugged, raped and kidnapped.....yada yada....."

The way the message was conveyed was so casual and vague on the details for something so shocking is strange to me.

How much detail do you want, in a brief statement that actually says a journalist will be following with more detail?

Stop pretending you are trying to see it both ways, it's quite clear where you stand.

26-02-2020 1:11pm

God Love her it was an awful ordeal she went through. I just don't know why she posted about it on social media. Its probably because of the times we live in and also given she was in the public eye and then disappeared she wants to clarify. I don't know. I wish we lived in a world without Instagram and Facebook and whatever else there is.

Millicently · 26-02-2020 1:12pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Nobody is asking you to buy anything.

The bit in bold is perfect and it would have been a good post if you left it there. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

You assessing the sadness in her eyes is pure nonsense and cheapens what is (or should be) a fairly serious topic.

Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

You seem like the type to believe any old cobblers, I hope you didn't donate to the dwarf kid in America.

eviltwin · 26-02-2020 1:12pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Absolutely agree with you. I am willing to believe it but at the same time it is so light on detail for such a grave crime that it just smells strange.

It's like "Yeah sorry I was living a low key life for a few years...yada yada.......i was drugged, raped and kidnapped.....yada yada....."

The way the message was conveyed was so casual and vague on the details for something so shocking is strange to me.

An Instagram post doesn't give much scope for detail. It's not a story you can tell in a few words and Instagram doesn't lend itself to a long detailed account. It could also be that she just wants to tell her story once, with the interview, and leave it at that. Telling and retelling a traumatic event is not healthy.

EmmetSpiceland · 26-02-2020 1:14pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

There will be no end to the mental gymnastics that will be applied to automatically deciding that she, or anyone who reports rape - is a liar.

Well, that’s not exactly true now, is it, T?

If the, alleged, perpetrator was black, Indian Asian, or an Arab I’m certain the veracity of her claim would not be under any scrutiny by these, so called, “disbelievers”.

weldoninhio · 26-02-2020 1:14pm

Millicently wrote: »

You seem like the type to believe any old cobblers, I hope you didn't donate to the dwarf kid in America.

You seem like someone who reads half a story and has an opinion. Also, you spelt Australia wrong.

Millicently · 26-02-2020 1:14pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

There will be no end to the mental gymnastics that will be applied to automatically deciding that she, or anyone who reports rape - is a liar.

Or the mental gymnastics that will be applied to automatically decide that any woman who reports a rape is telling the truth and should be believed even when there is no shred of evidence and the alleged rape happened decades ago. The message has become if a woman makes an accusation of rape we have to believe based on her gender that she is telling the truth and that the man accused is guilty based on his gender. Seriously fooked up way to want the world to go.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 1:16pm

Millicently wrote: »

You seem like the type to believe any old cobblers, I hope you didn't donate to the dwarf kid in America.

Yeah, you haven't read my posts.

creditcarder · 26-02-2020 1:16pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

do you actively disbelieve her?

Vaguely.

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2020 1:18pm

Millicently wrote: »

Or the mental gymnastics that will be applied to automatically decide that any woman who reports a rape is telling the truth and should be believed even when there is no shred of evidence and the alleged rape happened decades ago. The message has become if a woman makes an accusation of rape we have to believe based on her gender that she is telling the truth and that the man accused is guilty based on his gender. Seriously fooked up way to want the world to go.

Yeah, it's all probably PC culture or snowflake libtards or something I guess.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 1:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely agree with you. I am willing to believe it but at the same time it is so light on detail for such a grave crime that it just smells strange.

It's like "Yeah sorry I was living a low key life for a few years...yada yada.......i was drugged, raped and kidnapped.....yada yada....."

The way the message was conveyed was so casual and vague on the details for something so shocking is strange to me.

How should someone report their rape to you?

Millicently · 26-02-2020 1:18pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

You seem like someone who reads half a story and has an opinion. Also, you spelt Australia wrong.

Sorry, some woman who hasn't been in the public spotlight for ages suddenly pops up with staged sad photos and long story short, says she was raped and stay tuned for further details and some people think it's genuine. Maybe it is maybe it isn't but I see it as cashing in. I've no doubt that you'll have other members of the moral outrage #ibelieveher brigade jump on the woke train to attack me but I just don't care. As for the lying dwarf kid and his Momager, yeah the real issue isn't the scam but that I got the country wrong. :rolleyes:

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2020 1:19pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Well, that’s not exactly true now, is it, T?

If the, alleged, perpetrator was black, Indian Asian, or an Arab I’m certain the veracity of her claim would not be under any scrutiny by these, so called, “disbelievers”.

Wait and see, she might implicate a muslim or something, flips will be flopping to beat the band then.

Millicently · 26-02-2020 1:19pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

How should someone report their rape to you?

She didn't report it to that poster, she announced it to the world on Social Media.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 1:21pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Well, that’s not exactly true now, is it, T?

If the, alleged, perpetrator was black, Indian Asian, or an Arab I’m certain the veracity of her claim would not be under any scrutiny by these, so called, “disbelievers”.

I would see it exactly the same. An Instagram post isn't enough information to make a judgement, one way or the other, on something with such high stakes.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 1:22pm

Millicently wrote: »

She didn't report it to that poster, she announced it to the world on Social Media.

In a way that didn't "smell right" to that poster. So I'm asking (that poster) how it should be reported such that it would "smell" right to them.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 1:25pm

Millicently wrote: »

Sorry, some woman who hasn't been in the public spotlight for ages suddenly pops up with staged sad photos and long story short, says she was raped and stay tuned for further details and some people think it's genuine. Maybe it is maybe it isn't but I see it as cashing in. I've no doubt that you'll have other members of the moral outrage #ibelieveher brigade jump on the woke train to attack me but I just don't care. As for the lying dwarf kid and his Momager, yeah the real issue isn't the scam but that I got the country wrong. :rolleyes:

Lol at the bit in bold. You don't have a clue one way or the other.

Neither do I have a clue one way or the other, but I'm not foolish enough to pretend to know

This is it · 26-02-2020 1:31pm

Can't believe I read the entire thread. Will leave it at that, no good can come from posting how I'd describe a subset of posters here.

SusieBlue · 26-02-2020 1:32pm

Millicently wrote: »

Sorry, some woman who hasn't been in the public spotlight for ages suddenly pops up with staged sad photos and long story short, says she was raped and stay tuned for further details and some people think it's genuine. Maybe it is maybe it isn't but I see it as cashing in. I've no doubt that you'll have other members of the moral outrage #ibelieveher brigade jump on the woke train to attack me but I just don't care. As for the lying dwarf kid and his Momager, yeah the real issue isn't the scam but that I got the country wrong. :rolleyes:

So you are sceptical that Duffy was raped & kidnapped, for no other reason than to give the 2 fingers to the woke brigade, but you believe the viral conspiracy theory about Quadan Bales being 18yrs old with no issues?
That's quite an inconsistent approach to take.
His mother posted his birth cert online to prove he is in fact 9, so its long been debunked anyway.
Whatever about Duffy, directing that level of nastiness towards a child with a disability (or "lying dwarf kid", if you prefer) is horrible.

Ash.J.Williams · 26-02-2020 1:34pm

Some nasty cnts here

cj maxx · 26-02-2020 1:35pm

If true I'm not surprised she shrank away from public life or hasn't announced it with names,places and details of what happened. FFS she's recovering from a horrendous traumatic experience.
We don't know if police are involved yet.
If true she has , thankfully, recovered to a degree where she can make it public through a journalist, followed by a book and a mega selling comeback album, Grammy's etc.
Ind if true no-one would begrudge her .
We'll see but if it's bullsh1t it's the most audacious celebrity hoodwink ever attempted

ebbsy · 26-02-2020 1:37pm

Must have a new album coming out.

Ash.J.Williams · 26-02-2020 1:57pm

ebbsy wrote: »

Must have a new album coming out.

this guy

Tired Gardener · 26-02-2020 2:01pm

Christ almighty, the whiff of Edgelords is quite strong in this thread.

This is a perfect example of why a lot of women don't speak out about their ordeals to certain types of people. Having gone through a traumatic event, then taking time to heal, then finally being able to talk about, all to have people claim she is doing it for 'rape fame'.

People like that will find that women who have been the victim of similar events, won't talk to them about it... so it reinforces their mindset that sexual assaults against women are not that common. Essentially their own cold heartedness keeps them ill informed.

Back on Topic.
Always wondered what happened to her, not a fan of her music. Hope those involved in the crimes where found guilty and charged appropriately. She seems to be in a better place now, and is trying to move on with her life. I honestly hope she can achieve this.

Cork_Langer1 · 26-02-2020 2:06pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

So you are sceptical that Duffy was raped & kidnapped, for no other reason than to give the 2 fingers to the woke brigade, but you believe the viral conspiracy theory about Quadan Bales being 18yrs old with no issues?
That's quite an inconsistent approach to take.
His mother posted his birth cert online to prove he is in fact 9, so its long been debunked anyway.
Whatever about Duffy, directing that level of nastiness towards a child with a disability (or "lying dwarf kid", if you prefer) is horrible.

1, it wasn't that people here though he was 18, it was that the whole video was a set-up by his momanger for clicks, disgusting woman using him like that but it wasn't her first time.

2, I haven't a clue on this one here, people are right to be sceptical though as it was released on Instagram, until more is released to substantiate the claims, IMO people are right to call it out and not be drowned out by the "aww I feel so sorry for her/him.

26-02-2020 2:15pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

How should someone report their rape to you?

They shouldn't. They should go to the police and give a statement in as much detail as possible.

I appreciate it would be traumatic but would argue it is better to tell the police who can refer you to counselling services, rather than a music magazine writer.

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2020 2:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They shouldn't. They should go to the police and give a statement in as much detail as possible.

I appreciate it would be traumatic but would argue it is better to tell the police who can refer you to counselling services, rather than a music magazine writer.

How do you know this hasn't been with the police already?

SusieBlue · 26-02-2020 2:20pm

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

1, it wasn't that people here though he was 18, it was that the whole video was a set-up by his momanger for clicks, disgusting woman using him like that but it wasn't her first time.

2, I haven't a clue on this one here, people are right to be sceptical though as it was released on Instagram, until more is released to substantiate the claims, IMO people are right to call it out and not be drowned out by the "aww I feel so sorry for her/him.

1. Nope, PP called him a "lying dwarf kid" which would imply that he was being dishonest about his age. If they had taken issue with just the bullying video & him being exploited by his mother I'm sure they would have said so and not used such nasty language when speaking about a disabled child.

2. Call what out, though? There is currently absolutely no reason not to believe her. She hasn't even accused anyone of anything.
The rush to dismiss what happened her based off pretty much nada is so transparent. And these people aren't sceptical, they have specifically stated they think she is lying about it, for fame, money, or for sympathy. And that's so pathetic.

Woke Hogan · 26-02-2020 2:21pm

I was also wondering what happened to her fairly recently. I hope she gets the help she needs.

I’m not surprised but I am disgusted at all of the misogynistic comments in here from the people accusing her of lying or “cashing in.” If a male singer from the same era, say Daniel Beddingfield, announced that he had been raped these people would be falling over themselves slamming his attacker(s).

26-02-2020 2:22pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

How do you know this hasn't been with the police already?

I don't know for certain, but there so far is no reference made of that. So I assume it has not been unless there is evidence to the contrary.

EmmetSpiceland · 26-02-2020 2:23pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Some nasty cnts here

This is what happens when, certain, threads aren’t moved to the “Current Affairs” forum. A direct result.

Raconteuse · 26-02-2020 2:25pm

Terry Crewes - enormous dude with massive muscles - said he was sexually assaulted. I still believe him.

Millicently wrote: »

You seem like the type to believe any old cobblers, I hope you didn't donate to the dwarf kid in America.

You very much didn't read his post obviously - seeing as he was saying he doesn't believe in things without evidence.

One eyed Jack · 26-02-2020 2:27pm

Tired Gardener wrote: »

Christ almighty, the whiff of Edgelords is quite strong in this thread.

This is a perfect example of why a lot of women don't speak out about their ordeals to certain types of people. Having gone through a traumatic event, then taking time to heal, then finally being able to talk about, all to have people claim she is doing it for 'rape fame'.

People like that will find that women who have been the victim of similar events, won't talk to them about it... so it reinforces their mindset that sexual assaults against women are not that common. Essentially their own cold heartedness keeps them ill informed.

For someone as experienced and informed as yourself on the topic, do you find that people who have been the victims of rape will generally tend to base their reactions and attitudes on the claimed experiences of celebrities? (or in this case a rather less well known celebrity)

I don’t, which is why when Chrissy Hynde made her claims about having been a victim of rape, I didn’t relate them to ordinary people either -

Chrissie Hynde Under Fire for Saying Rape Victims Can Be at Fault

It’s not “cold-hearted ness” at all, it’s being skeptical of celebrities motives for claiming to have been raped in a time when they receive plaudits for their apparent bravery as survivors. I’ve listened to plenty of people who have chosen to talk about their experiences, I don’t jump down their throats if I don’t like what I hear or tell them that they’re the kind of people who turn people off coming forward, because that’s a shìtty claim for anyone to make, never mind the fact that it’s complete nonsense.

eviltwin · 26-02-2020 2:41pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

For someone as experienced and informed as yourself on the topic, do you find that people who have been the victims of rape will generally tend to base their reactions and attitudes on the claimed experiences of celebrities? (or in this case a rather less well known celebrity)

It's not the experience of celebrities, its how the public react to the accounts.

gerrybbadd · 26-02-2020 2:44pm

tdf7187 wrote: »

In new scandal, it has been revealed that pop singer "Duffy" was held captive for nine years some days by crazed sex rapists.

Mod

It is still vague over details, but definitely NOT years

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/duffy-kidnapping-rape-return-statement-958217/

Those damn sex rapists. As opposed to the other types of rapists.

Seems like crazy stuff. She's showing some strength addressing it in this public fashion

El_Duderino 09 · 26-02-2020 2:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They shouldn't. They should go to the police and give a statement in as much detail as possible.

I appreciate it would be traumatic but would argue it is better to tell the police who can refer you to counselling services, rather than a music magazine writer.

And do you know if they have spoken to the police?

I did not want to show the world the sadness in my eyes.

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