Homelessness

Stateofyou · 25-02-2021 1:17pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Does anyone, however badly thought of they are , really deserve to be without a roof over their head? Which is what some posts here seem to be saying. Without the most basic of human needs? That will only degrade and damage further. Let us hope we are not each and all condemned to get only what we really deserve to have!

Short answer - no.

Many will judge those who are down on their luck, or perhaps struggling to deal with trauma and all the knock on effects of that. When really, what separates them in many instances is perhaps decent parents or family with means who can provide for them or pick them back up when they're down on their luck. Loving family that gave them the best start in life-and it's easier to go from there. Many don't or never had that.

I know many who's parents gave them a great start in life, allowed them (and even partners) to live with them while saving for a home or building house. I know many over the years who returned to their parents after a job loss, divorce, or any transition/trauma going on.

And then I know those w/out family means who managed to stay afloat only by the grace of god, friends, luck, and some help from charity/social welfare. It's a tough world out there. Keeping our humanity and empathy for all is so important. I often think of those living rough, and imagine them as a baby or child and wonder what went wrong. There's most likely tragedy and trauma behind their story. We should all be kind.

Graces7 · 25-02-2021 2:30pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Short answer - no.

Many will judge those who are down on their luck, or perhaps struggling to deal with trauma and all the knock on effects of that. When really, what separates them in many instances is perhaps decent parents or family with means who can provide for them or pick them back up when they're down on their luck. Loving family that gave them the best start in life-and it's easier to go from there. Many don't or never had that.

I know many who's parents gave them a great start in life, allowed them (and even partners) to live with them while saving for a home or building house. I know many over the years who returned to their parents after a job loss, divorce, or any transition/trauma going on.

And then I know those w/out family means who managed to stay afloat only by the grace of god, friends, luck, and some help from charity/social welfare. It's a tough world out there. Keeping our humanity and empathy for all is so important. I often think of those living rough, and imagine them as a baby or child and wonder what went wrong. There's most likely tragedy and trauma behind their story. We should all be kind.

It is all of these things.

But also few here really know the state of the rental market for those of us - and I mean US - who are seeking low cost rentals.
Folk here in their …. well yes, self righteous judging have any idea what life can be like.

And yes, I have been very very close to being homeless through such problems. No fault attached. None. I am old and very respectable with a good record of rent paying etc. No family . I don't drink or use drugs. Just that there was no alternative accommodation to be had. Sleeping in my old car became a strong probability.

Rentals end for many reasons. Mostly the landlord, wanting to stop renting. Or the accommodation proving ,as happened to me. Had I reported to RTB it would have been closed down . I t is very scary and very real .

Graces7 · 25-02-2021 2:34pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Nobody hasn't a roof over their head only by choice.[/B

Homeless now is a very very broad term these days. The forever home is what is been sought here.
No co living arrangements or hotels etc are in no way ideal but they aren't been left outside on s Street corner, B&Bs too of course.

Many reasons why but a lot comes down to mental health, this in itself needs sorting as it's very complex but people would be up.in arms if people were picked up of the street against their will, this is exactly what needs doing to help these but we can't have it that way as it will be against human rights etc.

Drink and or drugs.

Bolded.

corner of hells · 25-02-2021 2:37pm

Graces7 wrote: »

It is all of these things.

But also few here really know the state of the rental market for those of us - and I mean US - who are seeking low cost rentals.
Folk here in their …. well yes, self righteous judging have any idea what life can be like.

And yes, I have been very very close to being homeless through such problems. No fault attached. None. I am old and very respectable with a good record of rent paying etc. No family . I don't drink or use drugs. Just that there was no alternative accommodation to be had. Sleeping in my old car became a strong probability.

Rentals end for many reasons. Mostly the landlord, wanting to stop renting. Or the accommodation proving ,as happened to me. Had I reported to RTB it would have been closed down . I t is very scary and very real .

Do you not meet senior citizens/ social housing criteria in your local authority?

Graces7 · 25-02-2021 2:59pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Do you not meet senior citizens/ social housing criteria in your local authority?

There are waiting lists for most of these. The council had nowhere.

I found somewhere finally, in the back of nowhere and very basic
Works for me.

My point is that accommodation is very hard to come by. Very hard. My excellent landlord before the disaster was having to sell. These things happen. My point also that people of any age and situation can and do end up homeless through no fault of theirs and from then on it cab be a downward spiral. No references etc

corner of hells · 25-02-2021 3:08pm

Graces7 wrote: »

There are waiting lists for most of these. The council had nowhere.

I found somewhere finally, in the back of nowhere and very basic
Works for me.

My point is that accommodation is very hard to come by. Very hard. My excellent landlord before the disaster was having to sell. These things happen. My point also that people of any age and situation can and do end up homeless through no fault of theirs and from then on it cab be a downward spiral. No references etc

I understand your point , but you should be assessed in your local authority regardless, theres a variety of types of housing available for senior citizens once you meet thier criteria.

Graces , i work in homeless services and am very well aware of the challenges of those accessing HAP , private and social housing.

More and more housing associations are providing accommodation via local authorities and the lists talked can vary according to what your assesed as needing.

I understand you being content but ive seen individuals in thier seventies present as homeless when private rented fell apart.

Samsonsmasher · 25-02-2021 3:12pm

We have mass unemployment mass poverty and mass homelessness on our hands if the country doesn't open up soon and I mean soon.

25-02-2021 3:30pm

Source?

Graces7 · 25-02-2021 3:45pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I understand your point , but you should be assessed in your local authority regardless, theres a variety of types of housing available for senior citizens once you meet thier criteria.

Graces , i work in homeless services and am very well aware of the challenges of those accessing HAP , private and social housing.

More and more housing associations are providing accommodation via local authorities and the lists talked can vary according to what your assesed as needing.

I understand you being content but ive seen individuals in thier seventies present as homeless when private rented fell apart.

Thank you for the work you do. You are a living saint!

I am still more than capable of living independently and will do so as long as I can. I am safe here and love it! And am very, very resourceful...

But others are not resourceful. And it is these who fall through the net; and who to blame them then for falling further? I met some years ago who were literally newly homeless and the effect on them was shocking. Bewilderment. Living in B and B provided by the local authority. We all need a home not just a roof.

Lollipops23 · 25-02-2021 4:31pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Homeless isn't as trendy nowadays as covid.

Remember the Maggie Cash and Erica Fleming newspaper stories? SF all over it. Not anymore.

Speaking of, I believe Maggie's fella is back inside....

25-02-2021 4:39pm

mr_fegelien wrote: »

How common is it for parents to kick their adult children out? By kick out I mean ask them to leave without any means to support themselves (job, savings) so that they essentially become homeless.

Do you know anyone in this position?

An uncle of mine, may he rest in peace was homeless for a time on the streets of Dundalk. Huge amount of effort was put in to help him, but it's not as simple as saying his family kicked him out. One aunt offered to let him stay on the condition that he didn't drink a bottle of whiskey for breakfast everyday. He didn't like that prospect and stayed on the street.

The Simon community gave him a small bungalow to live in and various family members donated bits of furniture. Most of the furniture then got sold to buy booze.

There's a point when you can only do so much and let people make their own decisions.

mad m · 25-02-2021 9:01pm

Anyone remember this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/3244309.stm

Think DCC housed them , but not sure they stayed in house.

Smoke420meme · 25-09-2022 3:51pm

I think it's fair to say that each person who is homeless is in that situation for individual reasons.

Sure you have people who have crippling alcohol or drug addictions, who just can't get it together.

You also have people who just don't get along with their families or come from an abusive family.

When you are living with your family, you are technically an invited guest or licensee. They can kick you out whenever they want and if you come from an emotionally abusive home, this threat will be used against you a lot.

mariaalice · 25-09-2022 4:55pm

Mental illness, addictions, or parents with mental health issues and addictions, dysfunctionality of all kinds.

What would have happened to someone like him without the supportive girlfriend and family and insight into himself he has https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rorys-Story-Unexpected-Journey-Self-Belief/dp/0717189953 mental health issues, ADHD, gambling issues.

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