Homelessness

mr_fegelien

How common is it for parents to kick their adult children out? By kick out I mean ask them to leave without any means to support themselves (job, savings) so that they essentially become homeless.

Do you know anyone in this position?

Rodney Bathgate

What did you do this time, Mr. F?

Leg End Reject

It's the only logical thing to do if threatening to turn off the internet doesn't work.

Feisar

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

What did you do this time, Mr. F?

I Am Nobody

mr_fegelien wrote: »

How common is it for parents to kick their adult children out? By kick out I mean ask them to leave without any means to support themselves (job, savings) so that they essentially become homeless.

Do you know anyone in this position?

Since your an adult now and I use that term loosely.You should be contributing to your parent's household.Instead of leeching off them because your too lazy to be constructive in society.

IMO all your failures are yours,instead of blaming your parents or society,FFS grow a pair.

andekwarhola

I Am Nobody wrote: »

Since your an adult now and I use that term loosely.You should be contributing to your parent's household.Instead of leeching off them because your too lazy to be constructive in society.

IMO all your failures are yours,instead of blaming your parents or society,FFS grow a pair.

Jaysus, both barrels there.

Church on Tuesday

Know of one lad whose mother, rightfully, kicked him out.

Often in these cases there is and must be a very good reason to do so, esp with Irish families.

lickalot

Were you caught sniffing your mothers knickers again?

Poor Uncle Tom

lickalot wrote: »

Were you caught sniffing your mothers knickers again?

Your username suggests you are projecting, again....

Pauliedragon

lickalot wrote: »

Were you caught sniffing your mothers knickers again?

I'd say thats been happening since at least August 2019 and there might be some toxic fumes affecting the brain.:D

freshpopcorn

Boards.ie users seem to get the boot sometimes but in reality I find as long as you don’t murder them or sleep with there new partner you should be fine.

Rodney Bathgate

lickalot wrote: »

Were you caught sniffing your mothers knickers again?

He’s a filthy kernt.

greenspurs

No sexual angle with this one Feg ?

jimgoose

greenspurs wrote: »

No sexual angle with this one Feg ?

It's early yet... :pac:

ChikiChiki

I Am Nobody wrote: »

Since your an adult now and I use that term loosely.You should be contributing to your parent's household.Instead of leeching off them because your too lazy to be constructive in society.

IMO all your failures are yours,instead of blaming your parents or society,FFS grow a pair.

Don't agree with them sentiments Tbh. Try growing up in a house hold where alcohol comes first before everything. That causes a very skewed development outside of normal parameters which can often lead to failures down the line. Resilience is key at this point.

Annasopra

mr_fegelien wrote: »

How common is it for parents to kick their adult children out? By kick out I mean ask them to leave without any means to support themselves (job, savings) so that they essentially become homeless.

Do you know anyone in this position?

No

Why are all your posts asking strange questions?

jimgoose

I Am Nobody wrote: »

Since your an adult now and I use that term loosely.You should be contributing to your parent's household.Instead of leeching off them because your too lazy to be constructive in society.

IMO all your failures are yours,instead of blaming your parents or society,FFS grow a pair.

Ah now, ah here, ah now, that's very harsh, hi - Mr. F. is an odd-bollocks, but I think it's fair to say he's our odd-bollocks by this stage. :pac:

Badly Drunk Boy

jimgoose wrote: »

Ah now, ah here, ah now, that's very harsh, hi - Mr. F. is an odd-bollocks, but I think it's fair to say he's our odd-bollocks by this stage. :pac:

But they're supposed to come in even numbers... :pac: Supposed to.

Kylta

jimgoose wrote: »

Ah now, ah here, ah now, that's very harsh, hi - Mr. F. is an odd-bollocks, but I think it's fair to say he's our odd-bollocks by this stage. :pac:

a bollox is useful, and feg is a computer generated programme an not a real person.

PatrickSmithUS

Are the figures after increasing or decreasing since the beginning of the pandemic?

No doubt, with the coming recession, that there will be a massive spike is something isn't done soon.

if we don't start treating the long term homeless as proper humans then we're on the road to nowhere quickly. The bus driver in this story clearly didn't think through what they were doing, regardless of the condition of the homeless man.

corner of hells

PatrickSmithUS wrote: »

Are the figures after increasing or decreasing since the beginning of the pandemic?

No doubt, with the coming recession, that there will be a massive spike is something isn't done soon.

if we don't start treating the long term homeless as proper humans then we're on the road to nowhere quickly. The bus driver in this story clearly didn't think through what they were doing, regardless of the condition of the homeless man.

You may have noticed large amounts of homeless congregate in Dublin city centre and there is already a huge spike (spire) there.
Coincidence, i think not.

Yurt2

So-called Irish homelessness figures are a crypto-communist conspiracy generated by the looney left as a means to ban greyhound racing and give FREE HOUSES to posh gypsies.

Am I doing boards right yet?

Potential-Monke

Save in some rare cases, I find it hard to believe that someone can end up homeless through no fault of their own. There are a lot of bridges to burn to get there imo. Gtranted, I don't have experience of it, but I do have experience of dealing with it, and the vast majority are there of their own doing, IMO. I know that I'm currently living with my parents again, but it suits both of us. I could move out tomorrow if they wanted it. In a worst case scenario where they'd kick me out, I have a list of people who would help temporarily, and one great friend who would let me live indefinitely if needs be.

I jut find it hard to believe that no one who knows them wants to help these people, unless there's a reason. Most of the "homeless" I come across are usually just doing it to get money for their fix before fecking off to whatever house they live in. Yes, anecdotal based on my personal experiences and investigations. And yes there is always an exception, but I firmly believe most "homeless" are there because of their own bad choices and decisions, and for that reason I don't have any empathy for them (I don't believe most people have empathy either, but they like to pretend they do, all while posting it on an expensive computer or phone made by child labour from another country and warm in their own homes with all mod-cons).

o1s1n

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Save in some rare cases, I find it hard to believe that someone can end up homeless through no fault of their own. There are a lot of bridges to burn to get there imo. Gtranted, I don't have experience of it, but I do have experience of dealing with it, and the vast majority are there of their own doing, IMO. I know that I'm currently living with my parents again, but it suits both of us. I could move out tomorrow if they wanted it. In a worst case scenario where they'd kick me out, I have a list of people who would help temporarily, and one great friend who would let me live indefinitely if needs be.

I jut find it hard to believe that no one who knows them wants to help these people, unless there's a reason. Most of the "homeless" I come across are usually just doing it to get money for their fix before fecking off to whatever house they live in. Yes, anecdotal based on my personal experiences and investigations. And yes there is always an exception, but I firmly believe most "homeless" are there because of their own bad choices and decisions, and for that reason I don't have any empathy for them (I don't believe most people have empathy either, but they like to pretend they do, all while posting it on an expensive computer or phone made by child labour from another country and warm in their own homes with all mod-cons).

Jaysus, tell us what you really think :eek:

Yurt2

Very good of Maggie Thatcher's ghost to drop by. Hadn't heard from her in a while.

Potential-Monke

o1s1n wrote: »

Jaysus, tell us what you really think :eek:

I would, but I'd get banned. I'm not expecting anyone to agree, as it's entirely based on my own experience.

Yurt2

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I would, but I'd get banned. I'm not expecting anyone to agree, as it's entirely based on my own experience.

Your own experience with homelessness?

You forgot to return your video tapes...

Feisar

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I would, but I'd get banned. I'm not expecting anyone to agree, as it's entirely based on my own experience.

Gotta agree with you to a certain extent. I look at my own network and it's hard to see how I'd end up without a roof over my head. And then the empathy I agree to. That photo of that kid face down on the beach drowned is heartbreaking but how about the kids in mines in the Congo so I can have a phone?

Potential-Monke

Yurt! wrote: »

Your own experience with homelessness?

I'll clarify. In my personal experience as a Garda.

Yurt2

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I'll clarify. In my personal experience as a Garda.

OK. That actually puts a disturbing spin on your post but away you go Garda Bateman.

corner of hells

Yurt! wrote: »

OK. That actually puts a disturbing spin on your post but away you go Garda Bateman.

He's right , i work in low threshold homeless services , very few are homeless through no fault of their own.

Yurt2

corner of hells wrote: »

He's right , i work in low threshold homeless services , very few are homeless through no fault of their own.

Mental health, addiction, erratic behavior, violence in many instances. I'm sure it's all there.


But a Garda who has likely has interactions with people who have fallen that far to log in and proudly say he has no empathy and doesn't give a sh*t about these people. Well, it's charming and something I doubt he put on his recruitment form or will mention when he goes for promotion.

Potential-Monke

Yurt! wrote: »

Mental health, addiction, erratic behavior, violence in many instances. I'm sure it's all there.


But a Garda who has likely has interactions with people who have fallen that far to log in and proudly say he has no empathy and doesn't give a sh*t about these people. Well, it's charming and something I doubt he put on his recruitment form or will mention when he goes for promotion.

Ex-Garda. I left partly because of people like you who can't see beyond their own opinions. I never said I don't give a ****, I just don't have empathy. Big difference. And 99% of the empathy people throw around is only said for the likes and to make themselves feel more important. Push come to shove, these empathetic people would turn the other way before helping.

And no doubt all that is there, but it's also, imo, personal issues people need to learn how to deal with themselves, and not an excuse for the poor mouth, poor me shyte that gets peddled about some of these people. All my life I've been told that my actions have consequences, and I have to deal with those consequences. Throw out mental health, substance abuse and all the other stereotypical reasons and suddenly its someone elses problem? Nah.

I have the same issue with court cases, doesn't matter how much of a scumbag someone is, once they throw out the tried and tested mental health and substance abuse lies they get handier sentences or have the case thrown out.

Edit: I think I had more of this empathy before I became a Garda, seeing how the criminal side live, and live well, on the backs of others, and seeing someone who is 100% the instrument of their own downfall suddenly being excused because "teh drugs" and "teh metal healths" is mentioned... I lost the empathy because I saw how much people can use that to their own advantage. I have some, but it's reserved for people I know and like.

Yurt2

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Ex-Garda. I left partly because of people like you who can't see beyond their own opinions. I never said I don't give a ****, I just don't have empathy. Big difference. And 99% of the empathy people throw around is only said for the likes and to make themselves feel more important. Push come to shove, these empathetic people would turn the other way before helping.

And no doubt all that is there, but it's also, imo, personal issues people need to learn how to deal with themselves, and not an excuse for the poor mouth, poor me shyte that gets peddled about some of these people. All my life I've been told that my actions have consequences, and I have to deal with those consequences. Throw out mental health, substance abuse and all the other stereotypical reasons and suddenly its someone elses problem? Nah.

I have the same issue with court cases, doesn't matter how much of a scumbag someone is, once they throw out the tried and tested mental health and substance abuse lies they get handier sentences or have the case thrown out.

Edit: I think I had more of this empathy before I became a Garda, seeing how the criminal side live, and live well, on the backs of others, and seeing someone who is 100% the instrument of their own downfall suddenly being excused because "teh drugs" and "teh metal healths" is mentioned... I lost the empathy because I saw how much people can use that to their own advantage. I have some, but it's reserved for people I know and like.

That's a relief.

Stateofyou

Just maybe, you've become blinded by your experience as a Garda. Not all homeless people are known to the law. Many are struggling the best they can in a very difficult spot. You've let that profession's experience cloud your opinion because that's all you can see when in reality homelessness happens in all kinds of situations. Some of them from domestic violence situations, for example.

Reserving your empathy for people you know and like isn't what empathy is about at all.

punisher5112

Homeless charities doing extremely well....
See the one on Amien at now has 4 very up to date vans.... 2015,17, 20 and 21

Stateofyou

punisher5112 wrote: »

Homeless charities doing extremely well....
See the one on Amien at now has 4 very up to date vans.... 2015,17, 20 and 21

How do you know any or all of them aren't donated?

Yurt2

punisher5112 wrote: »

Homeless charities doing extremely well....
See the one on Amien at now has 4 very up to date vans.... 2015,17, 20 and 21

Yes, we'd all prefer it if homelessness services drove clapped out vans. And if their workers had no shoes, all the better. Is anyone even measuring the protein levels in the gruel to make sure there's not too much in there?


:pac:

Potential-Monke

Yurt! wrote: »

That's a relief.

You're telling me! Best decision I ever made. Life has improved since I left.

Stateofyou wrote: »

Just maybe, you've become blinded by your experience as a Garda. Not all homeless people are known to the law. Many are struggling the best they can in a very difficult spot. You've let that profession's experience cloud your opinion because that's all you can see when in reality homelessness happens in all kinds of situations. Some of them from domestic violence situations, for example.

Reserving your empathy for people you know and like isn't what empathy is about at all.

Possibly, but that's why I said it's based on my own personal experience. But I still see it, it's the same heads in the same places every day, yet they've disappeared come sleeping time, and I've seen them being collected by a fancy car a few times, so it's a money racket for some.

I did allude that it doesn't apply to all "homeless" people, but it does (ime) apply to what I consider the majority.

Re: empathy - the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

I've never been homeless, so I can't understand and share the feelings of it. I doubt most people who say they are empathetic can do either. I honestly believe when someone says they're empathetic to something, they're sympathetic. And not just in this topic, in general. I've done plenty of mandatory courses to be able to distinguish between the two, and I still stand by my statements.

punisher5112

Stateofyou wrote: »

How do you know any or all of them aren't donated?

Do you believe that

Church on Tuesday

It's quite easy to end up homeless actually. Rents in this country for the most part are crazy and if you are or become unemployed for whatever reason or have a LL who is dodge (which would be quite a lot) or who just fancies to do away with your accommodation/lease, you could be in a spot of bother. Many LLs/potential housemates are overly fussy even with good references.

It's really not an option for everyone to live with their parents. Could be any amount of reasons for that. Perhaps that person has good reason to cut contact with family.

Staying with a friend is grand but trust me, no friend is going to want a friend staying with them indefinitely.

Sure, some people are the agents of their own downfall but to put every single homeless person, and there are many types of homelessness out there, in the same bracket is utterly obscene.

That's from someone who had to do the whole staying on couches/cheap BNBs for a brief time. Not a pleasant experience and through no fault of my own.

punisher5112

Huge vast amounts of money is pumped into homeless charity, NGOs etc... Way too many making money off of it.


Id much prefer they regulated it.


Does anyone honestly think buying a property between€750k and €950k is ok? For one person or a small family....

Potential-Monke

As I said at the very beginning, there are exceptions to my beliefs. I don't label all of them, just a lot of them in my experience. I do understand what you're saying, but again I think cases like that are few and far between. Right now may not be the best time to find yourself in that situation, because there are no jobs out there at the moment to move on to, but before Covid and lock downs, there were always plenty of jobs but even some homeless people think they're above working certain jobs.

Again, this is all my own experience based opinion. I don't intend nor want anyone to agree with me, just giving my 2 cents. I'm against the grain on most social issues, again all based on personal experiences. This just happens to be one of them. My view could be clouded by my experience, but I don't have anything else to go on, and I'm not interested enough to go find out otherwise.

Stateofyou

punisher5112 wrote: »

Do you believe that

I don't believe or disbelieve. Only simply due to my own involvement with charities over the years, I know that sometimes large donations like this are made or sold for very cheap. It's a possibility is all I am saying.

Yurt2

punisher5112 wrote: »

Huge vast amounts of money is pumped into homeless charity, NGOs etc... Way too many making money off of it.


Id much prefer they regulated it.


Does anyone honestly think buying a property between€750k and €950k is ok? For one person or a small family....

This is why threads like this descend into stupidity. Someone has a ferret in their head thinking a 750k price tag on a family home is somehow to do with homelessness charities.

Posting on boards is a waste of time in the best of times. Even taking on sentiments like the above is like having a debate with a postbox.

Netflix is calling...

Potential-Monke

You know you don't actually add anything to the conversation yourself, yeah?

Jinglejangle69

Homeless isn't as trendy nowadays as covid.

Remember the Maggie Cash and Erica Fleming newspaper stories? SF all over it. Not anymore.

Maybe when we're all vaccinated it will be huge news again.

That 10,000 figure was always the bullseye for people.

punisher5112

Yurt! wrote: »

This is why threads like this descend into stupidity. Someone has a ferret in their head thinking a 750k price tag on a family home is somehow to do with homelessness charities.

Posting on boards is a waste of time in the best of times. Even taking on sentiments like the above is like having a debate with a postbox.

Netflix is calling...

Netflix?

Genuinely it is going on....

Graces7

Stateofyou wrote: »

Just maybe, you've become blinded by your experience as a Garda. Not all homeless people are known to the law. Many are struggling the best they can in a very difficult spot. You've let that profession's experience cloud your opinion because that's all you can see when in reality homelessness happens in all kinds of situations. Some of them from domestic violence situations, for example.

Reserving your empathy for people you know and like isn't what empathy is about at all.

Does anyone, however badly thought of they are , really deserve to be without a roof over their head? Which is what some posts here seem to be saying. Without the most basic of human needs? That will only degrade and damage further. Let us hope we are not each and all condemned to get only what we really deserve to have!

punisher5112

Graces7 wrote: »

Does anyone, however badly thought of they are , really deserve to be without a roof over their head? Which is what some posts here seem to be saying. Without the most basic of human needs? That will only degrade and damage further. Let us hope we are not each and all condemned to get only what we really deserve to have!

Nobody hasn't a roof over their head only by choice.
Homeless now is a very very broad term these days. The forever home is what is been sought here.
No co living arrangements or hotels etc are in no way ideal but they aren't been left outside on s Street corner, B&Bs too of course.

Many reasons why but a lot comes down to mental health, this in itself needs sorting as it's very complex but people would be up.in arms if people were picked up of the street against their will, this is exactly what needs doing to help these but we can't have it that way as it will be against human rights etc.

Drink and or drugs.

As always, in this discussion people are rushing to use "homelessness" to cover four or five hugely different things

Some out of carelessness, some because they dont want certain things acknowledged or discussed at all.

Very very few rough sleepers in Ireland and of those the number that aren't there at the end of a long enough line of their own decisions is tiny.

Does this mean "leave em there?"- no. It does mean that when you are discussing rough sleepers you should say so and acknowledge that the issue is addiction and/or mental health in the vast majority of cases and not link it to property issues

Organisations, movements, charities and tweeters/posters that use pictures of rough sleepers but go on to link to "10000 homeless" are worse than dishonest, they are waving around serious misery and tragedy for their own cynical ends and anyone engaged in such behaviour certainly would seem to have a vested interest not addressing the very different issues separately