Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

Pa ElGrande · 05-10-2020 4:05pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If Trump loses he will still be whinging in four years time.

Hell, he'll probably whinge even if he wins!

You should know his form by now, he'll be reminding us what an amazing, tremendous, terrific, and fabulous time we had while he was president of the USA.

ohnonotgmail · 05-10-2020 4:25pm

timsey tiger wrote: »

That's a doppleganger the deep state have replaced Trump and are going to carry on. They are testing the waters firstly with a few far away shots to get people used to the slightly different look. They are going to pass that off as the results of a really interesting illness.

If we see a picture of him wearing no shoes then that will confirm it is a doppleganger.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-10-2020 4:28pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If we see a picture of him wearing no shoes then that will confirm it is a doppleganger.

It will be easier than that, ask the double a simple question. If he answers coherently then we know Trumps been replaced.

On a lighter note, has anyone seen the SNL skit of the debate? Jim Carey as Biden is brilliant

Itssoeasy · 05-10-2020 4:31pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

But she did concede..

She was not happy about it and probably(definitely) still isn't and her personal feelings are just that.

But she did the correct thing from a Democratic process perspective , she conceded when the fight was done.

There is absolutely no indication that Trump would do the same.

Imagine the result next month is an exact inverse of 2016 and Trump loses by ~70,000 votes across two or three States.

Will he make that phone call?

Add her name to nearly every candidate who’s lost a US presidential election in modern history. If there were happy about it, then there’d be questions. There is no requirement to concede by phone or otherwise and it has no legal power either as was seen in 2000 when Al Gore made two phone calls to GWB.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 05-10-2020 4:43pm

A good piece from The Rising.. talking about the differences from 16 polls to this year's polls. The steady lead Joe has held now for months, the virus handling.. the first debate that even Donnie's base have said it was a sh!t show from him.. also the big swing in the older vote towards Joe.. all reasons why you should start to believe the polls in 2020.

https://youtu.be/iPCup8evy3Q

Might as well add this in here.. Saagar absolutely ripping Donnie and the WH a new hole for the sh!t show that was Donnie and the virus (is he okay, no he isn't or actually yes he is) the flat out lies were totally unnecessary, and the attempts to fake news the whole thing that no one knew what the truth was.. Donnie totally failing at being a normal president has/will cost him at the ballot box.

https://youtu.be/jo7tbBLBYN8

duploelabs · 05-10-2020 5:12pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/trump-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html

Press Secretary McEnany tests positive

Overheal · 05-10-2020 5:19pm

duploelabs wrote: »

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/trump-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html

Press Secretary McEnany tests positive

She’s been holding maskless gaggles with the presss. Reckless.

05-10-2020 5:25pm

duploelabs wrote: »

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/trump-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html

Press Secretary McEnany tests positive

Noooooo!!!!

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-10-2020 5:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Noooooo!!!!

Who's gonna lie for Donny now?

threeball · 05-10-2020 5:30pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Who's gonna lie for Donny now?

He seems to have a queue of muppets lining up to do it. At least she was nice to look at so you could tune out from her inane ramblings for a minute or two.

05-10-2020 5:39pm

threeball wrote: »

you could tune out from her inane ramblings for a minute or two.

Inane ramblings?..That chick was an absolute weapon..

Tell me how · 05-10-2020 5:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Inane ramblings?..That chick was an absolute weapon..

That 'chick' is on the left.
The lady on the right lost her job for downplaying Covid-19

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1313149096195026949

05-10-2020 5:45pm

Tell me how wrote: »

That 'chick' is on the left.
The lady on the right lost her job for downplaying Covid-19

Well I'm sure you'll join me in wishing her a speedy recovery..

Tell me how · 05-10-2020 5:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Well I'm sure you'll join me in wishing her a speedy recovery..

Of course.

And I hope you'll join me in recognizing that the Trump/White House/GOP/Fox narrative on Covid all along has been dangerously misleading and has resulted in people becoming ill and dying unnecessarily.

eire4 · 05-10-2020 6:06pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Of course.

And I hope you'll join me in recognizing that the Trump/White House/GOP/Fox narrative on Covid all along has been dangerously misleading and has resulted in people becoming ill and dying unnecessarily.

Bottom line for me was the Woodword tapes which clearly show the president knew from the beginning how dangerous and deadly this disease was and is and so his constant lies since February to downplay things unquestionably have sent tens of thousands of Americans to their deaths. Exactly how many of the so far 215,000 odd American deaths could have been avoided I do not know but this president and his constant lies and misinformation when he knew the opposite was the truth has indirectly killed thousands.

Pa ElGrande · 05-10-2020 6:12pm

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

A good piece from The Rising.. talking about the differences from 16 polls to this year's polls. The steady lead Joe has held now for months, the virus handling.. the first debate that even Donnie's base have said it was a sh!t show from him.. also the big swing in the older vote towards Joe.. all reasons why you should start to believe the polls in 2020.
. . .

These guys have a slightly less jaundiced view about US President Donald Trump, maybe being more Bernie Sanders inclined, and so their huge dislike is Wall St, Corporations, and the super rich, and they are saying the US Chamber of Commerce have moved away from the Republicans, and are backing Joe Biden. They have three times the lobbying funds of anyone else. They want stability, and to get back with China. They have previously claimed Wall Street wants Joe Biden. This is recorded prior to Trump’s COVID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW1AvzBGof8

Kidchameleon · 05-10-2020 6:13pm

threeball wrote: »

He seems to have a queue of muppets lining up to do it. At least she was nice to look at so you could tune out from her inane ramblings for a minute or two.

She's far from a "muppet". She has already beaten a far worse sickness than Covid-19.

Kidchameleon · 05-10-2020 6:14pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If Trump loses he will still be whinging in four years time.

Hell, he'll probably whinge even if he wins!

Trump may be many things but he's no winger. Hillary on the other hand (along with some of her supporters), hasn't shut up about 2016.

Quin_Dub · 05-10-2020 6:16pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Trump may be many things but he's no winger. Hillary on the other hand (along with some of her supporters), hasn't shut up about 2016.

No Whinger????

Are you kidding me?????

It's ALL he does.

He has whined incessantly about everything.

It is one of his defining features , his ability to make everything about him and how badly he's been treated.

Kidchameleon · 05-10-2020 6:16pm

Penn wrote: »

It's based on Trump strongly and repeatedly implying that he will challenge the results if he doesn't win.

Do you mean he has implied he will challenge the results if he suspects fraud? Or simply if he doesn't win? If its the latter, could you provide a link as I don't think I have ever heard him say that.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-10-2020 6:17pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Trump may be many things but he's no winger. Hillary on the other hand (along with some of her supporters), hasn't shut up about 2016.

Ah would you stop! He whinges and calls people childish names because he feels they are "nasty" to him.

ohnonotgmail · 05-10-2020 6:19pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Trump may be many things but he's no winger. Hillary on the other hand (along with some of her supporters), hasn't shut up about 2016.

would he be more of a box-to-box midfielder?

walshb · 05-10-2020 6:20pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ah would you stop! He whinges and calls people childish names because he feels they are "nasty" to him.

Go way ouha that you very terrible nasty person.

Quin_Dub · 05-10-2020 6:21pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Do you mean he has implied he will challenge the results if he suspects fraud? Or simply if he doesn't win? If its the latter, could you provide a link as I don't think I have ever heard him say that.

Well - It's basically both.

He has clearly and repeatedly said that the only way he could possibly lose would be as a result of fraud.

“We have to win the election. We can’t play games. Go out and vote. Do those beautiful absentee ballots, or just make sure your vote gets counted. Make sure because the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged,” Trump told the group of supporters at the outdoor campaign event. “Remember that. It’s the only way we’re going to lose this election, so we have to be very careful.”

“The only way they’re going to win is that way. And we can’t let that happen,” Trump said

And here he is again

Kidchameleon · 05-10-2020 6:21pm

Penn wrote: »

According to Wikipedia, she called Trump to concede in the early hours of Wednesday morning (election was on Tuesday). Made her concession speech the next morning.

Thanks for that, I had no idea thats how it played out....

Seeing Podesta walking out onto that stage was probably the most beautiful part of the victory in 2016. I pictured Hillary having one of her rumored epic hissy fits back stage! She really should have faced her supporters that night. It made me think, if she cant handle facing her supporters in defeat, did she really have the metal to be president at all?

Igotadose · 05-10-2020 6:22pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Thanks for that, I had no idea thats how it played out....

Seeing Podesta walking out onto that stage was probably the most beautiful part of the victory in 2016. I pictured Hillary having one of her rumored epic hissy fits back stage! She really should have faced her supporters that night. It made me think, if she cant handle facing her supporters in defeat, did she really have the metal to be president at all?

Suggestion: Get past 2016.

Kidchameleon · 05-10-2020 6:23pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

But Trump has repeatedly said in recent weeks that the only way he can lose is if the other side cheat , he is calling fraud before the Election.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

but he has said himself that the only way he can lose is if the Democratic party cheat

That's twice you have said that. Have you got a link? I think wherever your getting that information from might be taking it out of context.

eire4 · 05-10-2020 6:23pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

No Whinger????

Are you kidding me?????

It's ALL he does.

He has whined incessantly about everything.

It is one of his defining features , his ability to make everything about him and how badly he's been treated.

Well come on now. It is not quite all the president does. He does spend a fair amount of time lying:)
But seriously yes the claim that the president is not a whinger is risible. The endless examples of him going off on a tangent to spew forth a laundry list of grievances is quite extensive to put it mildly. As you say so correctly because it is always about him and how badly he has been treated.

At this point I am thinking he will lose next month and maybe even quite heavily. But if he was somehow to win the election the revenge tour he would go on would be horrific. Just look at his behaviour after the Republicans in the senate refused to convict him after he was impeached.

Quin_Dub · 05-10-2020 6:23pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Thanks for that, I had no idea thats how it played out....

Seeing Podesta walking out onto that stage was probably the most beautiful part of the victory in 2016. I pictured Hillary having one of her rumored epic hissy fits back stage! She really should have faced her supporters that night. It made me think, if she cant handle facing her supporters in defeat, did she really have the metal to be president at all?

Indeed , let's see how the man himself manages if/when he finds himself in a similar situation.

05-10-2020 6:27pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

That's twice you have said that. Have you got a link? I think wherever your getting that information from might be taking it out of context.

Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR8oIitE6mI

Quin_Dub · 05-10-2020 6:32pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

That's twice you have said that. Have you got a link? I think wherever your getting that information from might be taking it out of context.

Sure..

About 3 posts above this.

And NO , it's not "taken out of context.."

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Well - It's basically both.

He has clearly and repeatedly said that the only way he could possibly lose would be as a result of fraud.

“We have to win the election. We can’t play games. Go out and vote. Do those beautiful absentee ballots, or just make sure your vote gets counted. Make sure because the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged,” Trump told the group of supporters at the outdoor campaign event. “Remember that. It’s the only way we’re going to lose this election, so we have to be very careful.”

“The only way they’re going to win is that way. And we can’t let that happen,” Trump said

And here he is again

Pa ElGrande · 05-10-2020 6:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Inane ramblings?..That chick was an absolute weapon..

Indeed, this is from 2016. Kayleigh McEnany is very sharp, she's been appointed to being press secretary in April this year and built up a following.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2S_vT3hThc

05-10-2020 6:50pm

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Indeed, this is from 2016. Kayleigh McEnany is very sharp, she's been appointed to being press secretary in April this year and built up a following.

I've been watching the odd press conference.. she regularly makes a show of the "press"..

dark crystal · 05-10-2020 6:55pm

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Indeed, this is from 2016. Kayleigh McEnany is very sharp, she's been appointed to being press secretary in April this year and built up a following.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2S_vT3hThc

And here she is in 2015...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suk0Pb_HqC8&ab_channel=DavidPakmanShow

Kidchameleon · 05-10-2020 7:20pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Well - It's basically both.

OK great well it appears he did say those words but the fact that they were being said to supporters during rally's means they are not statements like you have interpreted them, they are rallying cries.

Deleted User wrote: »

Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR8oIitE6mI

In that clip he is specifically talking about the possibility of voter fraud

ohnonotgmail · 05-10-2020 7:22pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

OK great well it appears he did say those words but the fact that they were being said to supporters during rally's means they are not statements like you have interpreted them, they are rallying cries.

ah, so he doesn't actually mean them? is that your angle?

salmocab · 05-10-2020 7:23pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

ah, so he doesn't actually mean them? is that your angle?

Joking presumably

Kidchameleon · 05-10-2020 7:24pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

ah, so he doesn't actually mean them? is that your angle?

If a football coach tells his team to "flatten the opponent", does he mean he wants his players to literally flatten them... *rhetorical

Igotadose · 05-10-2020 7:25pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

In that clip he is specifically talking about the possibility of voter fraud

Then why didn't he use the words "Voter fraud?" When asked, would he commit to a peaceful transfer of power, he didn't answer the question, said the 'ballots were out of control' and refused to answer the direct question.

Does that reassure you he's committed to a peaceful transfer of power?

ohnonotgmail · 05-10-2020 7:26pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

If a football coach tells his team to "flatten the opponent", does he mean he wants his players to literally flatten them... *rhetorical

his supporters don't understand rhetoric. neither does trump for that matter. he isn't smart enough

timsey tiger · 05-10-2020 7:33pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

If a football coach tells his team to "flatten the opponent", does he mean he wants his players to literally flatten them... *rhetorical

In America, yes literally.

Foxtrol · 05-10-2020 7:33pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

his supporters don't understand rhetoric. neither does trump for that matter. he isn't smart enough

A muslim ban or a wall were claimed to be just rhetoric right until they weren't.

Pa ElGrande · 05-10-2020 7:56pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFyhmvSFpkc

Robert Barnes is a criminal tax attorney and criticises a presentation by Legal Eagle that alleges tax fraud on Trump. Tax laws are complicated and most people don't understand the rules.

Quin_Dub · 05-10-2020 8:01pm

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFyhmvSFpkc

Robert Barnes is a criminal tax attorney and criticises a presentation by Legal Eagle that alleges tax fraud on Trump. Tax laws are complicated and most people don't understand the rules.

Agree Tax law is hugely complex and open to all sorts of "interpretation" but , plain and simple - Paying an employee (Ivanka) and calling it "Consulting fees" to avoid tax is illegal. That's an open and shut case right there.

relax carry on · 05-10-2020 8:22pm

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFyhmvSFpkc

Robert Barnes is a criminal tax attorney and criticises a presentation by Legal Eagle that alleges tax fraud on Trump. Tax laws are complicated and most people don't understand the rules.

Can I point out from a professional perspective (auditor) that "consultancy fees" between connected parties are an old tax evasion scam that a wet behind the ears auditor would find if they questioned the economic reality of the transaction. Considering all that is known about Trump, it would fit that he would use this even if it is blatantly obvious because he cannot change. It's most likely something he's always done despite any credible advisors probably telling him to try something less obvious.

This is speaking from an Irish Tax law perspective not a US tax law perspective but it would be incredibly stupid if there wasn't some section against this behaviour in US tax law. And yes tax law is complex and each case is judged on its merits but if it walks like a duck etc.

Pa ElGrande · 05-10-2020 8:23pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Agree Tax law is hugely complex and open to all sorts of "interpretation" but , plain and simple - Paying an employee (Ivanka) and calling it "Consulting fees" to avoid tax is illegal. That's an open and shut case right there.

15:00minutes in: They would have paid tax on the consulting fees at the ordinary income rate.

Kermit.de.frog · 05-10-2020 8:26pm

Just 3 months left of this deranged man as POTUS.

threeball · 05-10-2020 8:39pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

She's far from a "muppet". She has already beaten a far worse sickness than Covid-19.

Anyone that goes out to bat for that simpleton is a muppet

Igotadose · 05-10-2020 8:47pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

She's far from a "muppet". She has already beaten a far worse sickness than Covid-19.

No, she hasn't. If you think she has, go look up the statistics for the form of cancer she might've contracted, and deaths due to covid. She's a complete muppet, you've seen the videos where she rips the #IMPOTUS a new one before becoming a sycophant on Fox. All about the $$

Kidchameleon · 05-10-2020 9:01pm

Igotadose wrote: »

No, she hasn't. If you think she has, go look up the statistics for the form of cancer she might've contracted, and deaths due to covid. She's a complete muppet, you've seen the videos where she rips the #IMPOTUS a new one before becoming a sycophant on Fox. All about the $$

Firstly, I know Covid-19 is terrible, I am not trying to underplay it at all but in Kayleigh's case, it likely would be a bad flu at worse. More likely she will have mild symptoms if at all. She will not have to have her breasts removed to beat Covid-19 so yes, she has been through FAR FAR worse. To suggest otherwise is frankly bizarre.

Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

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