Handwriting decipher thread must post link to full page

Hermy · 25-07-2020 9:05pm

kanadams123 wrote: »

It's definitely "House 32........Place"

Could it possibly be Willis..spelled "Willeus" I'm seeing "W....eus" anyway.

That's what I'm seeing too.

Is there such a place?

tabbey · 25-07-2020 9:57pm

Griffinx wrote: »

Could it be Willis Place? you'd need to cross reference with District 4 area coverage

http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/places/placenames/streetnamesbilinguallist/w/

The death occurred in cork DLA, dispensary district 4. The home address could be anywhere in cork city or county.

The street names in 1882 could be different to today, either by renaming or demolition.

Vetch · 25-07-2020 10:22pm

It looks like Warren's Place, now Parnell Place, Cork city centre.

spurious · 25-07-2020 11:25pm

Vetch wrote: »

It looks like Warren's Place, now Parnell Place, Cork city centre.

Yes. I think it might be written Wearens place.

KildareFan · 26-07-2020 3:06pm

Cork streets/lanes beginning with W - Wellington Place is the only street name starting with a W and ending in place - there were families in Wellington Place in the 1901 census, no Doolans [from http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/genealogy/oldlanesandalleysofcork/#w]; the Post Office Directory 1842 has a Warren's Place http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/places/streetandtradedirectories/1842jackson/jacksondirectory1842corrected.pdf
Waggett’s Lane St Mary Widderlington’s Lane
Walshe’s Lane St Mary, Shandon off Cattle lane
Walshe’s Lane St Anne, Shandon off Thomas Davis Street, east
Warham’s Lane St Anne, Shandon off Wellington Road
Warren’s Lane St Finbar off Bandon Road
Warren’s Row St Nicholas off Cove Street
Water Lane St Anne, Shandon Now Seminary Road
Water Lane St Finbar off Gillabbey Street
Waugh’s Terrace St Mary, Shandon off City Gaol Road
Weaver’s Alley St Anne, Shandon off John Street
Weigh House Lane see Old Weigh House Lane
Well Lane St Anne, Shandon off Glanmire Road, Lower
Well Lane St Anne, Shandon off Gerald Griffin Avenue
Wellington Place St Nicholas off Mary Street
Wellington Place St Anne, Shandon off St Patrick’s Hill
Wherland’s Lane St Anne, Shandon off Thomas Davis Street, west
Widderlington’s Lane St Mary, Shandon off Pope’s Quay
Wise’s Lane St Mary, Shandon Near Cattlemarket Street
Wood’s Alley St Finbar off Wood’s Lane near Lancaster Quay
Wood’s Lane St Finbar off Lancaster Quay
Wood’s Lane St Peter off Sheare’s Street (formerly Nile Street)
Wood’s Lane St Anne, Shandon off Thomas Davis Street
Wood’s Lane Holy Trinity Between 19-20 South Main Street
Wrixon’s Lane St Anne, Shandon off Gerald Griffin Avenue. Peacock Lane was the former name of Gerald Griffin Avenue.
Wycherley’s Alley St Anne, Shandon off Gerald Griffin Avenue

Hermy · 26-07-2020 3:16pm

That's very good of you KildareFan.

I've run into a problem now with a child born after this woman's death so I may have the wrong death record.

KildareFan · 26-07-2020 4:22pm

Hermy wrote: »

I've run into a problem now with a child born after this woman's death so I may have the wrong death record.

Hate that!

New Home · 27-07-2020 8:54pm

I think the first two letters are W and a (the small a looks like the capital A in asylum in the previous column).

timaru89 · 19-08-2020 1:04pm

Hi, would really appreciate any help interpreting the details regarding the last record in attached image for William Cushion. Particularly difficult to read the burial place (sepultum est in) and observations.

pinkypinky · 19-08-2020 1:19pm

I can only make out the word Ratheniska at the end of the sentence.

pinkypinky · 19-08-2020 2:05pm

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11070/8050627.pdf

The Looney-Looney marriage on this page. Do you read the 2 fathers' names as the same or slightly differently?

KildareFan · 19-08-2020 2:09pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11070/8050627.pdf

The Looney-Looney marriage on this page. Do you read the 2 fathers' names as the same or slightly differently?

Both fathers called Edmond. A genealogical nightmare!

pinkypinky · 19-08-2020 2:33pm

Yes, that's what I think too. And worse still, there's 2 Daniels born to 2 different Edmonds in the right time frame, and both mothers' names for those babies feature in the children of Daniel and Mary!

KildareFan · 19-08-2020 2:35pm

timaru89 wrote: »

Hi, would really appreciate any help interpreting the details regarding the last record in attached image for William Cushion. Particularly difficult to read the burial place (sepultum est in) and observations.

The observation is difficult to read, but here is my best effort. Maybe some of our latin scholars will help out:

Nomina eorum qui hoc anno in parocia de Maryborough, defuncti sunto in curia ejus cui custodia in [halumice???] commissa pul & [alve inaccurate numisantur?]

The first bit means "The names of those who have died this year in the parish of Maryborough" & the rest loosely translated seems to indicate that their names are held in some court?

timaru89 · 19-08-2020 2:39pm

Thanks so much for your help.

Vetch · 19-08-2020 8:41pm

The burial place is Cemeterio Ecclesia Sancta Crucis - Holy Cross Church Cemetery https://historicgraves.com/graveyard/ratheniska/la-rtsk

timaru89 · 19-08-2020 9:36pm

Vetch wrote: »

The burial place is Cemeterio Ecclesia Sancta Crucis - Holy Cross Church Cemetery https://historicgraves.com/graveyard/ratheniska/la-rtsk

Great, thank you.

Hermy · 31-08-2020 11:08pm

Not a decipher query exactly but didn't seem worth starting a new thread for this one.

Can anyone tell me which St. Mary's Church this marriage record for George Peter (1st entry) refers to?

BowWow · 31-08-2020 11:42pm

Not 100% sure, but I think that's the Church that's now a bar/restaurant in Mary Street at junction with Jervis Street.

Hermy · 31-08-2020 11:44pm

BowWow wrote: »

Not 100% sure, but I think that's the Church that's now a bar/restaurant in Mary Street at junction with Jervis Street.

I assumed that too, particularly given the grooms address, but then I got to wondering if it might be the Black Church in St. Mary's Place.

lottpaul · 01-09-2020 7:12am

Hermy wrote: »

I assumed that too, particularly given the grooms address, but then I got to wondering if it might be the Black Church in St. Mary's Place.

I don't think it's the Black Church. The record refers to the Parish church, which would be the one in Mary St, whereas the Black Church would be referred to as the chapel of ease?

pinkypinky · 01-09-2020 11:55am

Yes, definitely the one BowWow mentions.

KildareFan · 01-09-2020 12:05pm

Agree - see Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary%27s_Church,_Mary_Street,_Dublin
"St. Mary's Church, Dublin is a former Church of Ireland building on the corner of Mary Street and Jervis Street, Dublin, and adjacent to Wolfe Tone Square. From the 17th century the church was a place of worship for parishioners on Dublin's north-side, before it was closed in 1986. The church has since been deconsecrated and the building is now a pub and restaurant. The parish also had a chapel of ease - St Mary's - off Dorset Street, more commonly known as "The Black Church". "

Hermy · 01-09-2020 5:32pm

I was set on the idea of it being the one on Mary Street and then I read a comment online about the Black Church and I began to doubt myself. Thanks for the replies.

rhapsody · 08-09-2020 9:10pm

I wonder can anyone tell the maiden name of Thomas Hinds' wife on the birth records of their two children please:

Mary (top record)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02736/2006094.pdf

and

Catherine (bottom record)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02603/1961517.pdf

spurious · 08-09-2020 9:19pm

It looks like Dunn.

Hermy · 08-09-2020 9:49pm

spurious wrote: »

It looks like Dunn.

Agreed.

rhapsody · 08-09-2020 10:08pm

Thanks folks, now to find their marriage!

BowWow · 08-09-2020 10:15pm

Can I add "DRUM" as a possibility?

rhapsody · 09-09-2020 8:44pm

BowWow wrote: »

Can I add "DRUM" as a possibility?

Sure! Between the possibilities for her surname and the Hines/Hinds/Hiens/Hynds/Hynes/Hyans variations for his, I haven't found their marriage yet. It's great to get some fresh eyes on these things.

spurious · 10-09-2020 1:37am

rhapsody wrote: »

Sure! Between the possibilities for her surname and the Hines/Hinds/Hiens/Hynds/Hynes/Hyans variations for his, I haven't found their marriage yet. It's great to get some fresh eyes on these things.

I wonder would she be Mary Drummond? See last entry on this page: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11001/8022363.pdf

rhapsody · 10-09-2020 10:35pm

spurious wrote: »

I wonder would she be Mary Drummond? See last entry on this page: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11001/8022363.pdf

She could indeed! I wasn't looking at longer names, the birth certs seems to show a four-letter surname. I'll see if this marriage fits with the other info, thanks.

timaru89 · 12-09-2020 7:05pm

I can’t make out the church name from following marriage record: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11441/8202589.pdf

Would appreciate any help, it’s in the Cloughjordan parish

spurious · 12-09-2020 8:01pm

I think it is a variation of Garraunorish
Grannorish?/Grannorisk?

There is a cemetery there known as Grawn cemetery and there are the ruins of a church in it. Near Ballycapple.
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2493341/grawn-church

timaru89 · 12-09-2020 8:06pm

Thanks a million.

vektarman · 22-09-2020 10:49pm

Can anyone make out the surname of the signatory of this marriage record please. The first name is Francis. 120025199_10224459330173092_4619727472752067174_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=89LjQO0gTWIAX-3hlRB&_nc_ht=scontent-dub4-1.xx&oh=7953f29b81001968618ed6137d373645&oe=5F8EE4CC

120025199_10224459330173092_4619727472752067174_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=89LjQO0gTWIAX-3hlRB&_nc_ht=scontent-dub4-1.xx&oh=7953f29b81001968618ed6137d373645&oe=5F8EE4CC

Here's the link to the full page.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10200/5711871.pdf

munster87 · 22-09-2020 10:59pm

vektarman wrote: »

Can anyone make out the surname of the signatory of this marriage record please. The first name is Francis.

Here's the link to the full page.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10200/5711871.pdf

Have a feeling it is one of these chaps

Hermy · 22-09-2020 11:03pm

Going by the parish record of the same event it might be Sartini.

pinkypinky · 24-09-2020 3:17pm

Help with the handwriting/Latin on the William Killin Mary Mooney marriage on the right hand side May 1877 please. I think I know what it says but would appreciate a second opinion.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634462#page/71/mode/1up

spurious · 24-09-2020 3:54pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Help with the handwriting/Latin on the William Killin Mary Mooney marriage on the right hand side May 1877 please. I think I know what it says but would appreciate a second opinion.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634462#page/71/mode/1up

Richard P. Mooney and Rosanna Mooney.
Something like 'dispensantur in tertio et tertio gradii consanguinatis'.

Would that be they share great great grandparents?

pinkypinky · 24-09-2020 4:29pm

I agree it says something like that, but I think tertio & tertio gradii is second cousins.

mindhorn · 26-09-2020 5:11pm

Any ideas on the below?

3rd last entry - 2 Lower Francis Street possibly?

Last entry - 29 City...?

Mollymoo19 · 26-09-2020 5:41pm

My guess is Fownes Street, in Temple Bar And City Quay.

ath262 · 26-09-2020 5:51pm

Mollymoo19 wrote: »

My guess is Fownes Street, in Temple Bar And City Quay.

agree on both of these

mindhorn · 26-09-2020 6:34pm

Thanks. Both addresses make sense now considering other locations in the city where the family were living at around that time.

mindhorn · 14-10-2020 8:27pm

Back again.

2nd from the bottom - Occupation looks like Army and it sort of makes sense. But the father's profession also looking like Army doesn't fit in with everything else I know.

7th from the top - Can't make out the godparents. Looks like Julia Molloy at the end but the name before that?

7th from the top - Looks like Conney but can't find Martin or Elizabeth in the 1901 census (and no death records between 1895 and 1901).

1st line - Godparents are Joseph Nolan and Margaret Kinely? My guess is that this should read Kinnealy?

1st line - Witness is Elizabeth...?

Deja Boo · 14-10-2020 11:27pm

mindhorn wrote: »

7th from the top - Looks like Conney but can't find Martin or Elizabeth in the 1901 census (and no death records between 1895 and 1901).

Misspelling of Conway, perhaps?

Deja Boo · 14-10-2020 11:47pm

mindhorn wrote: »

1st line - Witness is Elizabeth...?

? Marsden ?

Deja Boo · 14-10-2020 11:54pm

mindhorn wrote: »

7th from the top - Can't make out the godparents. Looks like Julia Molloy at the end but the name before that?

Maria A. McDonough ?

Hermy · 14-10-2020 11:55pm

mindhorn wrote: »

Back again.

2nd from the bottom - Occupation looks like Army and it sort of makes sense. But the father's profession also looking like Army doesn't fit in with everything else I know.

Army for both of them.

7th from the top - Can't make out the godparents. Looks like Julia Molloy at the end but the name before that?

Maria A. McDonagh
The word between the names might be proxy.

7th from the top - Looks like Conney but can't find Martin or Elizabeth in the 1901 census (and no death records between 1895 and 1901).

Looks like Conney all right but maybe a mis-spelling as Boo says.

1st line - Godparents are Joseph Nolan and Margaret Kinely? My guess is that this should read Kinnealy?

Definitely Kinely and not much of a jump to Kinnealy.

1st line - Witness is Elizabeth...?

Uzelle, same as the bride? Otherwise Waldon, Waldron or something similar?

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