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The White Feather · 19-09-2020 6:41pm

Just saw this rare upkick KO on twitter!!

https://twitter.com/ChillemDafoe/status/1307363735179350017?s=20

Dtp1979 · 19-09-2020 7:06pm

The White Feather wrote: »

Just saw this rare upkick KO on twitter!!

https://twitter.com/ChillemDafoe/status/1307363735179350017?s=20

Not that rare tbh. There was a good few in the ufc back in the day

Alf Veedersane · 19-09-2020 7:44pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Not that rare tbh. There was a good few in the ufc back in the day

I don't think so...not recorded as finishes anyway. Niko Price won with one last year. But apparently that's one of two in UFC history. Jon Fitch with the other.

The White Feather · 21-09-2020 11:54am

Stevie Ray has retired from MMA due to problems with his knee. A link to a video he made about it is in this tweet

https://twitter.com/Chisanga_Malata/status/1307991138796699648?s=19

Mellor · 21-09-2020 1:51pm

Colby wrote:

“Daniel Valverde… that guy is the best Judo and Jiu Jitsu player in the world.

I’ll put him up against anybody in the world in Jiu Jitsu. I’ll put a hundred grand on it and he’ll go against any Jiu Jitsu guy and I’ll guarantee he smokes them.”

Wut? WTF is Daniel Valverde.
Anyway, challenge accepted

Gordon Ryan wrote:

“Colby I like you but free money is free money. I’ll put 200 against your hundred in a no gi, no time limit match. I have it ready to transfer to a third party account today. Congrats on the win by the way. Let me know.”

derfderf · 22-09-2020 1:26am

I rewatched the Ryan Hall vs Bj Penn fight last night, and it's even more impressive on replay. BJ yelped like a puppy. It was so fast I couldn't make out what happened.
He finished him with a heel hook, but I'm sure the commentators said his knee is probably screwed.
How does it mess up your knee rather than your ankle?

Mellor · 22-09-2020 1:59am

derfderf wrote: »

He finished him with a heel hook, but I'm sure the commentators said his knee is probably screwed.
How does it mess up your knee rather than your ankle?

Heel hook, predominantly, attacks the knee as the torque on is transfer up the shin.
There are variations that are less rotational and more bending force across the ankle that attack ankle ligaments. And most will attack both to a degree.

In most submissions, generally, you hold/manipulate one body part and the next joint up the chain is attacked.
Toehold attacks the ankle. Arm bar controls wrist, attacks elbow. Kimura controls elbow, attacks shoulder. etc

derfderf · 22-09-2020 4:01am

Mellor wrote: »

Heel hook, predominantly, attacks the knee as the torque on is transfer up the shin.
There are variations that are less rotational and more bending force across the ankle that attack ankle ligaments. And most will attack both to a degree.

In most submissions, generally, you hold/manipulate one body part and the next joint up the chain is attacked.
Two hold attacks the ankla. Arm bar controls wrist, attacks elbow. Kimura controls elbow, attacks shoulder. etc

Thanks for the explanation. I think it's probably because there's a bit more give in your arms it's easier to see how it's working.
When they attack the legs you can usually see them manipulating the foot, but not to the extent that you can see where the pressure is going.
For a leg lock to be as visibly painful as a locked in Kimura i think you'd need the foot at 6 o'clock from the knee.

Mellor · 22-09-2020 8:23am

Yeah, which is in inherent danger with many leg locks. There's very range of rotation in your knee. It goes perfectly fine to disastrous very quickly. And can be quite hard to see what happened.

Where as in arm submissions you can see the holy fcuk movement easier. Example :eek:

https://streamable.com/ammc1d

Tazzimus · 22-09-2020 9:54am

The problem with heel hooks is you can be as careful as possible and not reef it once you have it locked in, but if the other fella tries to spin the wrong way and you can't let go quick enough, their knee will be wrecked.
Both people really need to understand them and how the force is applied. The move itself isn't dangerous like people make it out to be, it's more the reaction to being put in one that can be dangerous.

As Mellor explained, it can go from tapping pressure to ****ed knee very quickly.

Also, that clip was mental, my shoulder hurt just looking at it.

MrStuffins · 22-09-2020 10:17am

According to Wikipedia, Khabib v Justin is scheduled for October 25th, with the Main Card to kick off at 10pm. Abu Dhabi is three hours ahead of us.

So that means the card will kick off at 7pm on a Sunday evening? Surely this isn't correct?

The Nal · 22-09-2020 10:26am

MrStuffins wrote: »

According to Wikipedia, Khabib v Justin is scheduled for October 25th, with the Main Card to kick off at 10pm. Abu Dhabi is three hours ahead of us.

So that means the card will kick off at 7pm on a Sunday evening? Surely this isn't correct?

Yep. Same time as Khabib vs Poirier started.

MrStuffins · 22-09-2020 10:28am

The Nal wrote: »

Yep. Same time as Khabib vs Poirier started.

But on a Sunday? That's bizarre!

I haven't watched a UFC PPV on a Sunday since Bravo had the rights :pac:

US2 · 22-09-2020 11:13am

MrStuffins wrote: »

But on a Sunday? That's bizarre!

I haven't watched a UFC PPV on a Sunday since Bravo had the rights :pac:

It's on a Saturday night

ASOT · 22-09-2020 11:20am

Is Joshua Fabia the biggest fraud/con man in mma?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWLpoLa1sLo

Chairman Meow · 22-09-2020 1:00pm

ASOT wrote: »

Is Joshua Fabia the biggest fraud/con man in mma?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWLpoLa1sLo

Definitely. Conors movement coach was bad but not even on this level. As far as i know Fabio has zero martial arts experience, no competitive record, nothing. Total snake oil salesman

Mellor · 22-09-2020 1:21pm

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Definitely. Conors movement coach was bad but not even on this level. As far as i know Fabio has zero martial arts experience, no competitive record, nothing. Total snake oil salesman

Conor's movement coach is very good at what he does. It's just that what he does, isn't MMA.
I'm not sure what this guy does, and whatever it is, he doesn't appear to be very good at it.

US2 · 24-09-2020 2:40am

That Ralph Wiggum meme comes to mind when seeing this.

https://twitter.com/Maclifeofficial/status/1308938185817366529?s=19

rob316 · 24-09-2020 9:19am

Mir signs with bkfc. Strange one for a guy who isn't a striker.

Zero-Cool · 24-09-2020 9:25am

rob316 wrote: »

Mir signs with bkfc. Strange one for a guy who isn't a striker.

And a glass chin. Mir was one time my favourite fighter when I first started watching MMA but this won't end up well for him.

Beersmith · 24-09-2020 9:29am

From memory mirs last 10 fights or so were pure striking. His days of grappling are long gone. Just as good striking as many HWs which isn't great.

I don't think he has a glass jaw either just gets hit pretty easily.

Fits the BK promotion anyway, has been etc ive zero interest in watching it

Homelander · 24-09-2020 11:05am

His striking is very sub-par and he gets hit easily, I can see BKFC going perfectly horribly for him.

ASOT · 24-09-2020 5:35pm

Perry v Lawler booked.

This will show what sort of level Robbie is at, you'd imagine be should beat Perry but if he doesn't it's time to retire.

US2 · 25-09-2020 2:22pm

Costa looks very healthy on the scales at 185.

Tazzimus · 25-09-2020 2:35pm

Gonna be an interesting fight.
Izzy is a fantastic counter puncher and Costa likes to go full Terminator and walk people down.
Fairly perfect match up for Izzy, but costa is tough as ****.

ASOT · 25-09-2020 2:57pm

Izzy 184 with all his gear on, costa is gonna be even bigger than I thought In there with him.

Very interesting fight I can't wait.

Porthallian · 29-09-2020 4:03pm

Noticed this odd character wearing yellow shades asking Dana a question at the recent UFC Fight night presser. Discovered today he's called "The Schmo". Am I the only one late to the party with this guy?
Still undecided if he's funny, knowledgeable or just plain irritating... Perhaps a mixture of all 3.

Zero-Cool · 29-09-2020 4:05pm

Porthallian wrote: »

Noticed this odd character wearing yellow shades asking Dana a question at the recent UFC Fight night presser. Discovered today he's called "The Schmo". Am I the only one late to the party with this guy?
Still undecided if he's funny, knowledgeable or just plain irritating... Perhaps a mixture of all 3.

He looks and sounds like a joke but he asks some great questions and gets really good access to fighters and the ufc.

Porthallian · 29-09-2020 4:13pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

He looks and sounds like a joke but he asks some great questions and gets really good access to fighters and the ufc.

That was my first impression at the presser, can't remember the question but he sounded very knowledgeable. The style of how he asked the question and his voice/look made him particularly memorable.

And I just stumbled upon his Instagram today and realized he styles himself as "The Schmo" and refers to himself constantly in the 3rd person, which isn't something I'm particularly fond of.

I suppose you do what you gotta do to market yourself these days. I've gone badly off Ariel Helwani since last year, can't stand him anymore and I was his biggest fan back in the day.

weemcd · 29-09-2020 4:18pm

Porthallian wrote: »

Noticed this odd character wearing yellow shades asking Dana a question at the recent UFC Fight night presser. Discovered today he's called "The Schmo". Am I the only one late to the party with this guy?
Still undecided if he's funny, knowledgeable or just plain irritating... Perhaps a mixture of all 3.

Can't stand the guy myself, it's all an act and underneath it all there's probably a pretty competent journalist, but I can't have him at all.

Porthallian · 29-09-2020 4:33pm

weemcd wrote: »

Can't stand the guy myself, it's all an act and underneath it all there's probably a pretty competent journalist, but I can't have him at all.

That's the age we live in though. How many competent MMA journalists that we haven't heard of are jobbing away? You create an outlandish persona and get famous overnight.

Similar to how Colby became a sensation, underneath that persona Colby is just a fairly normal guy who has amazing wrestling credentials.

Beersmith · 29-09-2020 5:08pm

Porthallian wrote: »

Noticed this odd character wearing yellow shades asking Dana a question at the recent UFC Fight night presser. Discovered today he's called "The Schmo". Am I the only one late to the party with this guy?
Still undecided if he's funny, knowledgeable or just plain irritating... Perhaps a mixture of all 3.

Yeah he has been at it for at least a year has his own podcast and interviewed pretty everyone at this stage and trains a lot with fighters.

US2 · 29-09-2020 10:37pm

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1310974692086480911?s=19

Homelander · 29-09-2020 10:55pm

Really looking forward to that card.

MrStuffins · 29-09-2020 11:37pm

A Cage Contender card with the Bellator brand attached.

rob316 · 30-09-2020 12:10am

Is it another can for Gallagher or is this guy capable of beating him?

US2 · 30-09-2020 12:18am

3 very unlikeable lads I'll be hoping all 3 get brutally KO'd

Mellor · 30-09-2020 4:10am

rob316 wrote: »

Is it another can for Gallagher or is this guy capable of beating him?

He's 8-2. Gallagher is 10-1.
Seems like a suitable match on that basis.

People hate Gallagher's attitude. So they'll criticise him for fightign guys on whic ha record similar to his, then criticise him for calling for a title shot. But the reality he's in the middle of a small field over in Belator.

Whelo79 · 30-09-2020 5:34pm

Dana says the UFC have officially offered McGregor and Poirier the rematch. Hopefully we get that before the end of the year.

Zero-Cool · 30-09-2020 5:49pm

Whelo79 wrote: »

Dana says the UFC have officially offered McGregor and Poirier the rematch. Hopefully we get that before the end of the year.

Ah lads Dana folded. The lads must have had a loophole in the context that allowed them to go ahead.

2 things. I hope a lot of money still goes to charity and I'm really looking forward to Conor v Dustin at LW, will be a cracking fight.

Beersmith · 30-09-2020 8:30pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Ah lads Dana folded. The lads must have had a loophole in the context that allowed them to go ahead.

2 things. I hope a lot of money still goes to charity and I'm really looking forward to Conor v Dustin at LW, will be a cracking fight.

How is that folding. Don't think dana was ever against conor fighting. He retired so why would he offer him fights.

US2 · 01-10-2020 2:39pm

Izzy getting nasty. Jon's mother is dead?

Wish Jon didn't go to heavey this fight will never happen. I'd like to see it though.

https://twitter.com/stylebender/status/1311655796703334400?s=19

MrStuffins · 01-10-2020 3:13pm

I want to like Izzy but the way he's been acting since he beat Costa has been completely devoid of class. Constant memes, sending him insults.

We get it, he wound you up a bit. But relax. You already beat him up!

xtal191 · 01-10-2020 4:04pm

Izzy is so unlikeable I think I'd root for Jones if they ever fought

Esse85 · 01-10-2020 4:38pm

Izzy has a constant chip on his shoulder.
Always seems to be concerned about other people.

JJayoo · 01-10-2020 5:19pm

Izzy vs Rockhold is a fight I would love to see, never happen tho

Alf Veedersane · 01-10-2020 6:54pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

I want to like Izzy but the way he's been acting since he beat Costa has been completely devoid of class. Constant memes, sending him insults.

We get it, he wound you up a bit. But relax. You already beat him up!

I think Costa got to him a lot more than he let on based on the post-fight comments about bullies and Costa's pre fight antics. Not hugely surprised he's still kicking him

Gamb!t · 01-10-2020 11:47pm

Would love to see Jones fight him.

bmcc10 · 02-10-2020 5:46am

Ye Izzy loves to play the victim. If there is anyone that deserves it though it is Costa and his little troll of a coach Eric.

Chairman Meow · 02-10-2020 1:13pm

If any of you are fans of Felony Charles Bennett, aka Krazy Horse, what was initially going to be a quick highlight reel video i was making about him turned into a 25 min long deep dive on his career, the wanderlei beef, and his failure to live up to his potential

Bit of a niche fighter to make such a long video about but hey, its covid era baby, im bored!

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