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No Galway bypass or M20 motorway in lifetime of next government.

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    #32
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Trains??? Dont be ridiculous! They want you to cycle.

    And wait until you see your heating bill next Winter

    Green Party = Tax Party

    There won't be a pallet safe anywhere, trees will be cut overnight, happened in 09 will happen again.


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    #33
    [Deleted User]
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    Aside from the new accounts swarming to misrepresent a clear cut statement and sh1te all over the greens, this thread is pointless for this forum.

    AH or politics please


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    #34
    bk
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    Given that Micheal Martin will be Taoiseach and he is from Cork, there is simply NO WAY that the M20 doesn't get built.

    He would be hung, drawn and quartered by the people of Cork and the Greens would never get a vote down there ever again.

    Remember they have all agreed to a 2 to 1 spend between public transport to roads for capital projects. The cost of Metrolink, DART Expansion, Bus Connects, new Luas lines will easily top 10 billion, so a 1 billion M20 will easily come within that 2 to 1 spend.


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    #35
    Cookiemunster
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    bk wrote: »
    Given that Micheal Martin will be Taoiseach and he is from Cork, there is simply NO WAY that the M20 doesn't get built.

    He would be hung, drawn and quartered by the people of Cork and the Greens would never get a vote down there ever again.

    Remember they have all agreed to a 2 to 1 spend between public transport to roads for capital projects. The cost of Metrolink, DART Expansion, Bus Connects, new Luas lines will easily top 10 billion, so a 1 billion M20 will easily come within that 2 to 1 spend.


    None of Metrolink, Bus Connects outside Dublin, new LUAS lines or the M20 will be under construction withing the lifetime of the government anyway (gotta love our snails pace planning system) and definitely not in the 2 1/2 years Martin will be Taoiseach, so it's pretty much pointless arguing about who are stopping what. As long as the planning of any of these projects doesn't get further delayed I'll be happy enough.


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    #36
    cgcsb
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    Galway Ring Road is dead as a doornail, was a daft idea anyway. I would like to see the M20 go ahead because it has a valid strategic function as an inter city road offers improved safety and takes HGVs out of areas they aren't wanted.

    If M20 was suspended BUT we got bus connects in all cities, DART expansion and Metrolink in Dublin, proper electric commuter rail in Cork and a construction start on Cork Luas + lots and lots of cycling stuff around the country this decade, I would be very happy with that trade off. However odds are they'll just talk about the above projects for the next decade, maybe write some reports or something.


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    #37
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    mgn wrote: »
    Its not by the people travelling in and out of Galway everyday,

    I thought it was meant to be a bypass??


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    #38
    cgcsb
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    ncounties wrote: »
    But by reinstating just 30km of railway line, you reduce the journey length by almost a third. For rail travel to be competitive, it needs to be quick, and zig-zagging about certainly doesn't make it that.

    If Dublin-Cork was upgraded to high speed(intermediate speed really, let's say 200km/h running) Cork-Limerick by rail would be time competitive with road as a byproduct.


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    #39
    cgcsb
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    them greens are fierce powerful. they're barely 15% of the (purported) new government and already they're able to push FF and FG around.
    it's almost as if FF and FG don't care about these projects either, but are happy to use the greens as a scapegoat. but that's crazy talk.

    In the case of the M20, you'd have a point. For the Galway bypass not so much. It doesn't have a real business case. The consultants that worked on it don't even agree with it, they should know because they've had the sleepless nights trying to manipulate the figures into something stacks up to scrutiny. The business case seems to revolve around the proposed road freeing up space in the centre that will allow improvements to public transport. The possibility of improving public transport regardless of the lack of a 2nd bypass isn't considered.


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    #40
    cgcsb
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    jaxxx wrote: »
    We don't live in the Republic of Dublin for the fun of it. The rest of us 25 'counties' are just there to feed Dublin. Our needs don't matter. Nothing against Dublin or Dublin people, just the government's historical attitude.

    :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac: Dublin having the worst infrastructure of any EU capital and government policy being consistently rural centric for the past 100 years, I'd say you were just not paying close enough attention.


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    #41
    marno21
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    In the case of the M20, you'd have a point. For the Galway bypass not so much. It doesn't have a real business case. The consultants that worked on it don't even agree with it, they should know because they've had the sleepless nights trying to manipulate the figures into something stacks up to scrutiny. The business case seems to revolve around the proposed road freeing up space in the centre that will allow improvements to public transport. The possibility of improving public transport regardless of the lack of a 2nd bypass isn't considered.

    Second bypass? Where is the first?


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    #42
    cgcsb
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Second bypass? Where is the first?

    *sigh, if you want to call it an 'inner relief road' ok, don't care, same function.


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    #43
    Kevtherev1
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    Saint paschal donohoe interviewed on newstalk this morning by Pat Kenny. Topic how can we afford more infrastructure investment with limited finance.


    Topic of M20 was discussed would it be cancelled. Donohoe clearly stated he would argue that it should go ahead.



    There will be arguments for sure with greens but i suspect FG, FF will insist m20 goes ahead and the greens will eventually have to back down. Just like they did when trying to stop the wesport - castlebar road from proceeding.


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    #44
    Doctors room ghost
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    newuser99999 wrote: »
    Just ridiculous. What do they want people to do? The train between Galway and Cork is abysmal.





    <snip>

    Thread closed for review.


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    #45
    SeanW
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    *sigh, if you want to call it an 'inner relief road' ok, don't care, same function.
    More like a haphazard melange of street-road hybrids (or Stroads) that try to serve long distance travelers while also functioning as streets. Like the N6 portion of the Headford Road. Galway never had a bypass, just some cheap and nasty upgrades in the 1980s.


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