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No Galway bypass or M20 motorway in lifetime of next government.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    is the galway bypass not widely regarded as a white elephant anyway?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭ mgn


    is the galway bypass not widely regarded as a white elephant anyway?

    Its not by the people travelling in and out of Galway everyday,


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ SeanW


    Or, no doubt, the people who have to travel through Galway to get to the Western county.


  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭ newuser99999


    Just ridiculous. What do they want people to do? The train between Galway and Cork is abysmal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Zebra3


    mgn wrote: »
    https://dateway.net/greens-considering-railway-line-between-limerick-and-cork/

    Greens are not even in Government yet and the have blocked these projects already.

    What chance has rural Ireland got with these clowns in power.

    An f*cking joke.

    There are three parties forming the next government.

    Don't forget to vent your bitterness at the two much larger parties as well.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    Don't let a little thing like truth get in the way of your ranting

    What he states is (direct quote from the article you linked)
    Construction on the M20 Cork to Limerick motorway and the Galway bypass will not start in the next five years, according to one of the Green Party government formation negotiators.

    Ossian Smyth did not rule out large road projects getting the go-ahead under a Green government.

    However, he has said those projects are unlikely to see shovels in the ground during the lifetime of the next government.

    He said: “It’s an iconic road project in the area, and if we said we are going to cancel your road, I think that we wouldn’t be able to bring anyone with us.

    “Again, like the Galway bypass, that is not likely to happen by any government in the course of the next five years. It is at a very early stage, it is something that would happen at the end of the decade.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭ mgn


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    There are three parties forming the next government.

    Don't forget to vent your bitterness at the two much larger parties as well.

    I have no problem criticising FF or FG either for bending over backwards to these bumbling fools of the Green party just so the can stay in power.

    Did you here Ryan the other saying the Green Party would be good for rural Ireland.
    Explain to me how the likes of this good for rural Ireland.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭ mgn


    DaCor wrote: »
    Don't let a little thing like truth get in the way of your ranting

    What he states is (direct quote from the article you linked)

    And if you bothered to read the title of the thread that is what i wrote.

    So open your eyes before you start your smart comments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭ roadmaster


    Both of those projects between design, cpos and tenders are at least 5 years away anyway


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,107 ✭✭✭ Gregor Samsa


    mgn wrote: »
    https://dateway.net/greens-considering-railway-line-between-limerick-and-cork/

    Greens are not even in Government yet and the have blocked these projects already.

    What chance has rural Ireland got with these clowns in power.

    An f*cking joke.

    The Greens didn’t block them. The quote in the article you linked just says that they wouldn’t be ready to start in the next 5 years no matter who was in government.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭ mgn


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Both of those projects between design, cpos and tenders are at least 5 years away anyway

    And when there is no pressure on them to get it to that stage, it could take 10 years to get it shovel ready.


  • Registered Users Posts: 288 ✭✭ Pete2k


    A proper direct rail service between Cork and Limerick would require the charleville-patrickswell junction line to be rebuilt. Alot of the alignment still looks to be fairly intact including all the bridges so might not cost as much to rebuild as otherwise would.Near patrickswell the N20 and a regional road look to have been built on the alignment however it could be run along side both.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    mgn wrote: »
    And if you bothered to read the title of the thread that is what i wrote.

    So open your eyes before you start your smart comments.

    I'll just leave this here
    mgn wrote: »
    https://dateway.net/greens-considering-railway-line-between-limerick-and-cork/

    Greens are not even in Government yet and the have blocked these projects already.

    What chance has rural Ireland got with these clowns in power.

    An f*cking joke
    .


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine


    mgn wrote: »
    Its not by the people travelling in and out of Galway everyday,

    Who travels into a city using a bypass? By definition, they don't need a bypass. Even if they use a section of the bypass, they still have to travel, you know, into the city. Where the real problem will continue to exist.
    SeanW wrote: »
    Or, no doubt, the people who have to travel through Galway to get to the Western county.

    The 3% of traffic, you mean? €600m is a lot of money to spend on the 3% of traffic that actually bypass the city.

    What problem is the Galway bypass solving? Because it's looking increasingly like an expensive case of a group of people deciding that another road will somehow fix this and not wanting to deal with the cause of the issue.

    iDdtYav.jpg

    From the traffic modelling report for the Galway bypass.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ SeanW


    There's more to life than commuting.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    mgn wrote: »
    Its not by the people travelling in and out of Galway everyday,
    From my understanding, it's an example of the sort of thinking that goes along the lines of 'we've already turned Galway into a car park with our private car oriented policies, so the solution to our problem is even more private car oriented policies'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭ Cookiemunster


    Pete2k wrote: »
    A proper direct rail service between Cork and Limerick would require the charleville-patrickswell junction line to be rebuilt. Alot of the alignment still looks to be fairly intact including all the bridges so might not cost as much to rebuild as otherwise would.Near patrickswell the N20 and a regional road look to have been built on the alignment however it could be run along side both.


    There is no need to do any of this. Just improve Limerick Junction to allow better running of direct Limerick - Cork trains. Luckily this is being studied as part of the M20 project.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine


    SeanW wrote: »
    There's more to life than commuting.

    Sure. But we are talking about traffic. If this €600m second bypass isn't being built for peak traffic then what is it built for? For when there's little traffic?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ SeanW


    To help people and goods get to all points West of the Corrib without having to clog up the city streets, like the Headford Road.

    The situation in Galway is different to that of Dublin in that Dublin had a proper bypass in the form of the M50 (should have had grade separated junctions from day 1 but that's a minor gripe) so the problems in Dublin post-M50 were totally unconnected with through traffic. Had a proper bypass been done in Galway back in the day, instead of the hodge-podge of street-road hybrids, then the case to spend more money on roads there would be much, much weaker.

    I'm not saying the Galway bypass needs to be priority number 1 - obviously it ranks below things like the M20 - but the case is not nonexistent either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭ ncounties


    There is no need to do any of this. Just improve Limerick Junction to allow better running of direct Limerick - Cork trains. Luckily this is being studied as part of the M20 project.

    But by reinstating just 30km of railway line, you reduce the journey length by almost a third. For rail travel to be competitive, it needs to be quick, and zig-zagging about certainly doesn't make it that.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭ Cookiemunster


    ncounties wrote: »
    But by reinstating just 30km of railway line, you reduce the journey length by almost a third. For rail travel to be competitive, it needs to be quick, and zig-zagging about certainly doesn't make it that.

    Reinstating a single track 18th century line isn't the answer either, if the WRC is anything to go by. And the last mile or so of line into directly into Colbert Station was ripped out 40 or 50 years ago. It would need to be a completely new alignment IMO. Easier, quicker and cheaper to sort out Limerick Junction.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    There are three parties forming the next government.

    Don't forget to vent your bitterness at the two much larger parties as well.

    Surely has to be because of the greens though. That’s a big early hit for those parasites.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    them greens are fierce powerful. they're barely 15% of the (purported) new government and already they're able to push FF and FG around.
    it's almost as if FF and FG don't care about these projects either, but are happy to use the greens as a scapegoat. but that's crazy talk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭ newuser99999


    ncounties wrote: »
    But by reinstating just 30km of railway line, you reduce the journey length by almost a third. For rail travel to be competitive, it needs to be quick, and zig-zagging about certainly doesn't make it that.

    Start by having a look at the schedules first? I took a train from Limerick city to Cork last Friday and had to wait over an hour for a connection from Limerick junction to Cork. Doesn’t make sense to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭ ncounties


    Is this thread about infrastructure or slagging off one or more political parties?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ SeanW


    them greens are fierce powerful. they're barely 15% of the (purported) new government and already they're able to push FF and FG around.
    it's almost as if FF and FG don't care about these projects either, but are happy to use the greens as a scapegoat. but that's crazy talk.
    And yet only one of those three parties has stated explicit objecting to the M20.

    And that party is now in the position of "kingmaker" which allows them influence and power far beyond their absolute vote/seat count.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭ RandomViewer


    mgn wrote: »
    I have no problem criticising FF or FG either for bending over backwards to these bumbling fools of the Green party just so the can stay in power.

    Did you here Ryan the other saying the Green Party would be good for rural Ireland.
    Explain to me how the likes of this good for rural Ireland.

    Lot of the Green party would identify as Anglo Irish, whey would like to bring back the days of the landed gentry and the poor peasants in novels,


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ SeanW


    Wouldn't surprise me given how many of them are trust fund babies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭ jaxxx


    them greens are fierce powerful. they're barely 15% of the (purported) new government and already they're able to push FF and FG around.
    it's almost as if FF and FG don't care about these projects either, but are happy to use the greens as a scapegoat. but that's crazy talk.
    We don't live in the Republic of Dublin for the fun of it. The rest of us 25 'counties' are just there to feed Dublin. Our needs don't matter. Nothing against Dublin or Dublin people, just the government's historical attitude.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,826 Truthvader


    Start by having a look at the schedules first? I took a train from Limerick city to Cork last Friday and had to wait over an hour for a connection from Limerick junction to Cork. Doesn’t make sense to me.

    Trains??? Dont be ridiculous! They want you to cycle.

    And wait until you see your heating bill next Winter

    Green Party = Tax Party


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