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  • #602
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    You even say the bulgarians come yearly to pick fruit, yet this is the first time i have heard anybody complain becasue they have a genuine reason to, nothing to do with xenophobia, if it were people would be complaining every year no? Your argument is baseless and you have been proved wrong.


  • #603
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    glasso wrote: »
    these workers are far far more likely (assuming numbers correct) to pick it up here than be bringing it.
    Well that's a pretty silly assumption.
    Number of actual cases and number of confirmed cases are not the same.
    but of course it's easier to get hyperbolic about "dem foreigners, coming here picking our strawberries"
    It's nothing to do with what passport they hold, irish people should be treated the same.
    glasso wrote: »
    they have done 18,000 tests already.
    Ireland has done 18k per million. Bulgaria 2.6k per million.
    So per head, we've done 9 times as many tests. So it's hardly surprising that we've detected much more cases. That's because they have undetected cases.
    If people die from covid, without testing, they don't get recorded as covid deaths. You can't assume worldometers figure are the extent of cases.

    The work needs to be done. I wouldn't criticise the workers.
    The issue is the lack of screening or basic checks at the border.


  • #604
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    you're ignoring the facts - that the virus is already here and that's where the REAL danger of things getting out of control is.

    not some load of Bulgarians isolated on a strawberry farm.

    it's Irish eejits visiting mates or relations in indoor environments that is the real danger.


  • #605
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    glasso wrote: »
    you're ignoring the facts - that the virus is already here and that's where the REAL danger of things getting out of control is.

    not some load of Bulgarians isolated on a strawberry farm.

    Oh give up, you are calling people xenophobes when they have genuine concerns, the words racist and xenpophbic have lost all meaning when people like you are using them(xenophobic) in instances like this.


  • #606
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Oh give up, you are calling people xenophobes when they have genuine concerns, the words racist and xenpophbic have lost all meaning when people like you are using them(xenophobic) in instances like this.

    more prudent to focus on the REAL concern right now - which is community spread.

    when Ireland has it's community spread under control to some extent, concerns about the tiny traffic in the airport can be be given more focus and testing.

    so what about McGregor wanting to close the ports - you agree with that also - where is a significant portion of our food going to come from?


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  • #607
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    glasso wrote: »
    more prudent to focus on the REAL concern right now - which is community spread.

    when Ireland has it's community spread under control to some extent, concerns about the tiny traffic in the airport can be be given more focus and testing.

    so what about McGregor wanting to close the ports - you agree with that also - where is a significant portion of our food going to come from?

    where does community spread come from? Think about it before you reply? Did the Bulgarians have no close contact with anybody while travelling here? Now you are twisting the argument because you have no idea what you are talking about. mcgregor was talking about people coming here on the boat just to come home, i know many people near me who have travelled home from the uk. A recent traveller funeral in offaly had a load of people coming back for the funeral from the uk via boat. I know you are upset that you shouting xenophobe hasnt worked this time. Im sure you can go on another ill fated tirade with fake outrage in the future.


  • #608
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    the priority focus in Ireland is based on actual expert input , not on some story (date, numbers?) passed around about a traveller funeral in Offaly or the Bulgarian fruit pickers bussed straight out to a farm from a country with tiny amounts of CV19 deaths.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations-unit/2020/0415/1130759-large-funeral/

    they all have UK reg cars anyway. how many came from the UK

    the main point about this story is that the gathering shouldn't be taking place at all, even if not 1 person came from the UK

    McGregor claimed Ireland is self-sufficient which is total horse manure.

    you seem to be obsessed about these sort of isolated incidents (if even actually true) and which only seem to confirm your bias and based on some notion that anyone and everyone that comes into Ireland must be infected at a higher rate than the population already here.


  • #609
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    glasso wrote: »
    the priority focus in Ireland is based on actual expert input , not on some story (date, numbers?) passed around about a traveller funeral in Offaly or the Bulgarian fruit pickers bussed straight out to a farm from a country with tiny amounts of CV19 deaths.

    you seem to be obsessed about these sort of isolated incidents (if even actually true) and which only seem to confirm your bias and based on some notion that anyone and everyone that comes into Ireland must be infected at a higher rate than the population already here.

    Isolated incidents if true
    https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations-unit/2020/0415/1130759-large-funeral/.

    The health minster of Bulgaria said they haven't tested enough is that not expert enough? You are Wrong simple as.


  • #610
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Lol changed you post when you realised the funeral was true, they all have uk reg anyways you say, lol you are a comedian at this debating.


  • #611
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Isolated incidents if true
    https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations-unit/2020/0415/1130759-large-funeral/.

    The health minster of Bulgaria said they haven't tested enough is that not expert enough? You are Wrong simple as.

    I'm not. you have to show me that that the infection rate is higher in Bulgaria than Ireland otherwise my statement is correct.

    again, the gathering itself (funeral) is the problem here. 150 people should not be assembling obviously. no actual numbers on any UK attendees, just speculation.


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  • #612
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Lol changed you post when you realised the funeral was true, they all have uk reg anyways you say, lol you are a comedian at this debating.

    I was verifying it.

    pure speculation on UK involvement and it's not the point anyway.

    if you can't see that the problem was the gathering number itself which is nothing to do with the UK then you're a lost cause.


  • #613
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    If you cant see the point about the dangers of importing workers during a pandemic from a country that has very little testing done you have no cause,except fake outrage. verifying it but immediately you went to personally attack me and some bias you claim ihave before even checking it out, typical fake outage idiot.


  • #614
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    glasso wrote: »
    you're ignoring the facts - that the virus is already here and that's where the REAL danger of things getting out of control is.

    Yes, that is a major concern. Nobody is suggesting we ignore that.
    I'm expecting that people can focus on more than one issues at one. Maybe that's asking too much.


    Apparently Keelings have said that all works will have to quarantine. So at least people involve have been able to grasp the issue.


  • #615
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    If you cant see the point about the dangers of importing workers during a pandemic from a country that has very little testing done you have no cause,except fake outrage. verifying it but immediately you went to personally attack me and some bias you claim ihave before even checking it out, typical fake outage idiot.

    the workers were checked at the airport in accordance with procedures and bussed directly to their accommodation so as little contact as possible.

    also you can see that the company only 27 replies locally for jobs there.


    https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/1251160044336381953


    you "guarantee" that the testing in Hungary is terrible, but aside from an article saying that they will be doing more testing (isn't every country in the world planning to do more testing) but have no proof of 1 of them having CV19.

    the fact is that their total recorded deaths from CV19 are less than 10% of Ireland's figure. That is the best indication that the problem is less than in Ireland.

    you quote some hearsay about possible UK travellers at a traveller funeral but have zero proof of it, in fact missing the whole point about the real problem being the stupid travellers having the gathering in the first place.

    as I said there will be more focus on points of entry once Ireland has gotten their internal spread under control and particularly as more traffic might potentially be going through the airport.

    as restrictions would be relaxed in Ireland the focus will then be on preventing new outbreaks.

    you can continue the thread about the Bulgarians here

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058070753&page=34


  • #616
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    You are totally after changing your tune, you originally said nothing to see here very very few cases inn Bulgaria nothing to worry about and now you are backtracking and saying they are in quarantine so its ok, you have lost your fake outrage argument get over it. The traveller funeral hearsay full of uk vans but you didnt believe that and accused me of bias until you found out i was telling the truth. Your defense ah shur they all have uk vans. You are better off debating with a ten year old you will have more success.
    Your logic is great, dont bother try to control borders until we have the country under control, how in gods name can we control the spread in the country if we kept leaving possible infected people in, read back over what you posted you have made zero sense on anything. On another forum a few days ago you state no country has any idea about inflections but you claim here today Bulgaria has very very few.


  • #617
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    You are totally after changing your tune, you originally said nothing to see here very very few cases inn Bulgaria nothing to worry about and now you are backtracking and saying they are in quarantine so its ok, you have lost your fake outrage argument get over it. The traveller funeral hearsay full of uk vans but you didnt believe that and accused me of bias until you found out i was telling the truth. Your defense ah shur they all have uk vans. You are better off debating with a ten year old you will have more success.
    Your logic is great, dont bother try to control borders until we have the country under control, how in gods name can we control the spread in the country if we kept leaving possible infected people in, read back over what you posted you have made zero sense on anything. On another forum a few days ago you state no country has any idea about inflections but you claim here today Bulgaria has very very few.

    I didn't change my argument - that's a precaution - just weakens your argument even more so as you were going on about contact...

    no country has a clue as to their actual infection rate in the population is what I said - you might have to read that again to grasp what that means

    nevertheless the actual numbers of deaths is the only comparative here and Ireland's death number is over 1000% that of Bulgaria.


  • #618
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    How could you originally say Bulgaria had very very few cases so as a reason for letting people in when you now say no country has a clue about the infection rate. You said they were more likely to catch it here but how do you know if no country has a clue about there infection rates. Deaths are not comparative as has been pointed out to you as not all deaths are investigated to find cause of death. Totally trying to twist your argument now, you haven't a notion what you are talking about. Suppose you haven't heard about asymptomatic people at all. Scientists reckon it could be a large percentage so your airport checks are worth **** all in these cases. Go and get informed you are looking very stupid here.


  • #619
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    it's impossible to debate you as you just keep saying that you have won the argument in every post.

    if you don't understand the government's strategy to focus first on controlling the internal spread that is not my problem.

    they monitor the risks of external factors and don't really count Conor McGregor amongst their panel of experts.


  • #620
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    How can they control internal if they dont control external, it makes no sense. Asymptomatic is a big reason why this is spreading, can you not understand that? The whole reason this started is because of the usual **** calling people,xenophobes racist for questioning what was going on. You said they came here yearly which is perfectly fine nobody ever said anything so that just shows its not xenophobia as to why people are questioning it. Good luck, we will agree to disagree, this is going nowhere.


  • #621
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    knock yourself out man

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058070753


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  • #622
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    ha no my days work is over so im going home soon.


  • #623
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jaysus,

    it's even worse than you thought. I heard that they were going to a traveller wedding after all that.

    Gkq2uOe.png


  • #624
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Bleedin hell it's Chuck Liddel
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2882197688502339&id=100001364087281

    Promoting Passage West Talent Show :D


  • #625
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    glasso wrote: »
    Jaysus,

    it's even worse than you thought. I heard that they were going to a traveller wedding after all that.

    Gkq2uOe.png

    https://extra.ie/2020/04/19/news/irish-news/convoy-uk-travellers-curragh?fbclid=IwAR18Wj9zqzn2ce9i1TteL7y6ZsMpsqHDfyf0BvSq84oom3qU0okBKMuOcYw

    All hearsay shur, no travellers coming from uk, shur they all drive uk vans in ireland but dont come from the uk. Cool story


  • #626
    BSK
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭BSK


    Whiskey is one of the best sold in the world too. Mr Money


  • #627
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    BSK wrote: »
    Whiskey is one of the best sold in the world too. Mr Money
    No it isn't. Not even close.

    It's done very well for a brand only ~18 months old, and has climbed the domestic ladder but absolutely nowhere near the best selling drops in the world.


  • #628
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Mellor wrote: »
    No it isn't. Not even close.

    It's done very well for a brand only ~18 months old, and has climbed the domestic ladder but absolutely nowhere near the best selling drops in the world.
    4th best selling (or most popular anyway) seemingly. That's actually not a bad achievement. Although not being the priciest and being able to ship it out en masse helped with that I imagine.
    Jameson, Tullamore Dew and Bushmills are ahead of it.


  • #629
    Homelander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,439 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Yeah this article has it as 4th best selling Irish whiskey in the world.

    Considering it came from nowhere not even two years ago and doesn't have much going for it other than McGregor's endorsement, that's fairly spectacular.


  • #630
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,183 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Homelander wrote: »
    Yeah this article has it as 4th best selling Irish whiskey in the world.

    Considering it came from nowhere not even two years ago and doesn't have much going for it other than McGregor's endorsement, that's fairly spectacular.
    it is a fad though, it has no real staying power as it's only lidl bushmills


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  • #631
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,966 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ash.J.Williams wrote:
    it is a fad though, it has no real staying power as it's only lidl bushmills
    Nobody knows that. McGregor has his ad on ESPN during every fight night. He's a big deal and as long as he is the whiskey will continue to sell.
    He seems to be pretty smart as far as notoriety is concerned. He became huge, then reached all the haters with his antics and now has calmed down again showing some humility.
    He'll probably remain a big public figure long after he retires.


  • #632
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    4th best selling (or most popular anyway) seemingly. That's actually not a bad achievement. Although not being the priciest and being able to ship it out en masse helped with that I imagine.
    Jameson, Tullamore Dew and Bushmills are ahead of it.
    I seen the article the other day.
    Sold 215k cases for 4th, outselling the likes of Paddy, Powers, Teeling, etc.
    But you need to sell millions to crack the top 3. Tullamore Dew sold 1.5m cases, and Jameson sold 8m cases.

    Abd that’s only Ireland. And Jameson are barely top 10 globally. Johnny Walker sells twice as much as Jameson. The biggest brands (that you’ve properly never heard) sell 20-30 million cases. 100x What Proper12 sold.
    As I said it’s a huge achievement, genuinely, but nowhere near the best selling in the world.


  • #633
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Mellor wrote: »
    I seen the article the other day.
    Sold 215k cases for 4th, outselling the likes of Paddy, Powers, Teeling, etc.
    But you need to sell millions to crack the top 3. Tullamore Dew sold 1.5m cases, and Jameson sold 8m cases.

    Abd that’s only Ireland. And Jameson are barely top 10 globally. Johnny Walker sells twice as much as Jameson. The biggest brands (that you’ve properly never heard) sell 20-30 million cases. 100x What Proper12 sold.
    As I said it’s a huge achievement, genuinely, but nowhere near the best selling in the world.

    Jaysis, AC Nielson here


  • #634
    Whelo79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    He needs to break into the Indian market going by these numbers.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2018/11/27/the-25-best-selling-whisky-brands-in-the-world/


  • #635
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,656 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    He needs to break into the Indian market going by these numbers.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2018/11/27/the-25-best-selling-whisky-brands-in-the-world/

    Exhibition match with Sachin Tendulkar...2 rounds MMA, 3 overs of cricket. Eddie Hearn to build an octagon that turns into a wicket.

    Profit.


  • #636
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    Jaysis, AC Nielson here
    Was spelled out simply numbers in the article. Was discussed in the whiskey appreciation thread the other day.
    I know this place is nonsense central when there’s no fight in the horizon. Should still pull it up though.


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  • #637
    Doff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Doff


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    Exhibition match with Sachin Tendulkar...2 rounds MMA, 3 overs of cricket. Eddie Hearn to build an octagon that turns into a wicket.

    Profit.


    I don't know who Sachin Tendulkar is and I hate cricket, but sign me up!


  • #638
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Mellor wrote: »
    Was spelled out simply numbers in the article. Was discussed in the whiskey appreciation thread the other day.
    I know this place is nonsense central when there’s no fight in the horizon. Should still pull it up though.

    Here I was only yanking your chain!


  • #639
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,656 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Doff wrote: »
    I don't know who Sachin Tendulkar is and I hate cricket, but sign me up!

    He's the battering ram that smashes the door into the India market


  • #640
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    After claiming that there was a "bang of shyte off yer da" previously a propos Khabib's father he then mocked his father when he (father) was already very seriously ill in the ICU unit in the hospital in Russia, claiming it was not real and just used for an excuse for Khabib to run away..

    5ef38a2385f54065e3766e84.jpeg?w=960

    So then Abdulmanap, Khabib's father and coach actually dies later from Covid.

    Surely Khabib would actually seek to kill or maim McGregor if possible next time if they meet?

    And who could say that it's not justified.

    no words really.


  • #641
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That was in response to Ali and Khabib’s “brother” making Covid jokes. Very odd when somebody in the family was in a bad way with the disease.
    There was ways to ask the question with insulting.

    Although at the time, and still now, I felt it was all Ali.
    Don’t think Khabib pays him any attention either.


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  • #642
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    In fairness from the media reports at the time that Khabib's father was actually gravely ill in intensive care, it doesn't really matter what it was in response to.


  • #643
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Slow news day to dragging that back up


  • #644
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    There was a mention of the tweet at the time.

    Not the fact that Khabib's dad passed away after (about a week later but as said was well known that he was gravely ill at time of McGregor's tweet making light of it).

    And this is from a few weeks ago (tweet) "dragging that back up" - pfff


  • #645
    derfderf
    Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    glasso wrote: »
    In fairness from the media reports at the time that Khabib's father was actually gravely ill in intensive care, it doesn't really matter what it was in response to.

    That's the whole point. Why would Khabib's "brother", and manager, be cracking coronavirus jokes if Khabib's father is in intensive care?
    Conor shouldn't have said what he said, but i can see why he said it.


  • #646
    fitzparker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭fitzparker


    glasso wrote: »
    In fairness from the media reports at the time that Khabib's father was actually gravely ill in intensive care, it doesn't really matter what it was in response to.

    It does matter, sure you didn't even screenshot the whole story.

    why would the cousin mock something that was killing and eventually killed his "dad" to get a sly joke in about something nearly a year ago.

    This was Conor's point, although in true Conor style, he went about the response in the wrong way.

    I think Khabib would be looking to hit the cousin a few slaps quicker than Conor, I would anyway

    As others said, I do think it was Ali, as we got the usual reply off him within seconds.


  • #647
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    fitzparker wrote: »
    It does matter, sure you didn't even screenshot the whole story.

    why would the cousin mock something that was killing and eventually killed his "dad" to get a sly joke in about something nearly a year ago.

    This was Conor's point, although in true Conor style, he went about the response in the wrong way.

    .

    well that's putting it mildly.

    was Khabib's father, not the cousin's.


  • #648
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    glasso wrote: »
    well that's putting it mildly.

    was Khabib's father, not the cousin's.

    Abubakar (the cousin) grew up in the same house as Khabib, refer to each other as siblings.
    Abdulmanap helped raise him and was his wrestling and sambo coach since he was in primary school (20+ years).

    It's not like the random uncle you see at Christmas.


  • #649
    fitzparker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭fitzparker


    glasso wrote: »
    well that's putting it mildly.

    was Khabib's father, not the cousin's.


    About as mild as making a joke about a virus that eventually killed your "father"
    (as Mellor alluded to, Abdulmanap practically raised him)

    Again, the response wouldn't have happened if the cousin (or Ali) wasn't a thick making a joke in the first place.


  • #650
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    yes so something that even McGregor could work out (that the mgr Ali posted it) but yet McGregor specifically references the father in a reply.

    top class stuff.

    in the ICU at the time and is dead a week later

    and another cowardly tweet delete


  • #651
    robwen
    Registered Users Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭robwen


    glasso wrote: »
    yes so something that even McGregor could work out (that the mgr Ali posted it) but yet McGregor specifically references the father in a reply.

    top class stuff.

    in the ICU at the time and is dead a week later

    and another cowardly tweet delete

    Is Khabibs cousins tweet still up?


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