October Brexit

older by the day · 20-09-2019 11:43pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

At a meeting here tonight, Conor Mulvihill of Dairy Industry Ireland gave a presentation on the effects of Brexit on Irish farming. Dairy will survive at lower margins but beef will be destroyed. 56% of beef goes to the UK. Dairy is diversified especially lately with new cheese plants being developed.

What is tight margin for milk, cent wise

Buford T. Justice XIX · 20-09-2019 11:53pm

older by the day wrote: »

What is tight margin for milk, cent wise

He was talking 2 or 3 cent, that's with a proposed 7% tariff. The original proposal was a 57% tariff.

One thing DII have been working on is targeting the EU market more now. Working well with dairy with only 24% of milk products now going to the UK. Beef, with 56% of products going to the UK, is way more exposed and would be facing Mercosur and US competition on price. It's not going to be pretty for beef if it goes ahead

He did say that a lot of analysts expect a deal done late in the day, after another extension probably.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-09-2019 4:30pm

An interesting note on a presentation on Brexit last night was that both strawberries and cream were not facing any tariffs.

So Wimbledon will be safe from Brexit:D

alps · 27-09-2019 5:48pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

An interesting note on a presentation on Brexit last night was that both strawberries and cream were not facing any tariffs.

So Wimbledon will be safe from Brexit:D

Does the cream have to be with the strawberries for to attract a zero tariff..?

zetecescort · 27-09-2019 6:52pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

An interesting note on a presentation on Brexit last night was that both strawberries and cream were not facing any tariffs.

So Wimbledon will be safe from Brexit:D

There will be a brexit at Wimbledon alright now that Murray is as good as retired

theaceofspies · 27-09-2019 8:41pm

Not making any predictions on this but the brits stand to be the biggest losers of all in this.
Some chickens coming home to roost now with Thomas Cook et al in the next 4 weeks. Your average beer swilling tattooed football hooligan wont be long showing his aggression on the streets when he cant afford to fly budget to Malaga in 2020 like he has done for the last 20 years.

The brits made this problem and it is theirs to fix. Sky News could get interesting from November 1st.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-09-2019 10:00pm

I know I shouldn't laugh but it's hard not to.
https://twitter.com/MrMichaelSpicer/status/1177619193878994946?s=19

Cattlepen · 28-09-2019 4:28am

jntsnk wrote: »

Where will Britain get its imported food if they suddenly crash out ?

America and their colonies

Bass Reeves · 28-09-2019 9:37am

Cattlepen wrote: »

America and their colonies

If that happens while it will have huge implications for Irish Agriculture It will wipe out British Agriculture. It is anticipated taht Britian will have to set low tariff's on food imports if a No Deal happens to feed itsel. This would mean that British Farmers would have to compete with Brazil and US hormone beef.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-10-2019 8:32pm

There's a link to a NY Times article in the tweet below that's worth reading, I think.
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1180530988880973824?s=19

Say my name · 05-10-2019 9:01pm

Meanwhile in Scotland today..

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1180520045597925378?s=20

The DUP's position makes zero sense to me and zero sense for their constituents.
I've a sneaky suspicion the leaders nests are being feathered on this ridiculous situation.
https://euobserver.com/tickers/144649

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/britain-mueller-investigation-181127150638985.html

News today is Boris will seek an extension to the deadline.

https://euobserver.com/tickers/146172

Base price · 05-10-2019 9:18pm

Say my name wrote: »

Meanwhile in Scotland today..

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1180520045597925378?s=20

The DUP's position makes zero sense to me and zero sense for their constituents.
I've a sneaky suspicion the leaders nests are being feathered on this ridiculous situation.
https://euobserver.com/tickers/144649

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/britain-mueller-investigation-181127150638985.html

News today is Boris will seek an extension to the deadline.

https://euobserver.com/tickers/146172

Did he actually say that he would prefer to "die in a ditch"

Say my name · 05-10-2019 9:20pm

Base price wrote: »

Did he actually say that he would prefer to "die in a ditch"

I think he did. Yea.

Base price · 05-10-2019 9:23pm

Say my name wrote: »

I think he did. Yea.

He's a twat but a clever one at that.

Say my name · 05-10-2019 9:30pm

Base price wrote: »

He's a twat but a clever one at that.

I don't know. I think we're equating being brazen and ignorant with being clever.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/archive-video-id-rather-be-dead-in-a-ditch-than-ask-for-a-brexit-delay-boris-johnson-38471779.html

toleratethis · 05-10-2019 10:01pm

Base price wrote: »

Say my name wrote: »

I think he did. Yea.

He's a twat but a clever one at that.

How?

Lost what, 6 votes?
Lost slim majority to something like -43 minority
Illegally prorogued parliament

It's more Yes, Mr Bean than Yes, Prime Minister.

Base price · 05-10-2019 10:08pm

toleratethis wrote: »

How?

Lost what, 6 votes?
Lost slim majority to something like -43 minority
Illegally prorogued parliament

It's more Yes, Mr Bean than Yes, Prime Minister.

He is like a master puppeteer playing the British public so that he can blame everyone - those pesky Irish, the French/German lead EU etc - in order to win a majority in the next general election.

amacca · 06-10-2019 1:46am

Base price wrote: »

He is like a master puppeteer playing the British public so that he can blame everyone - those pesky Irish, the French/German lead EU etc - in order to win a majority in the next general election.

I think he's a privileged opportunist who has bitten off more than he can chew this time.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-10-2019 4:27pm

Thing's are getting serious now, Barnier coming down hard on BoJo and his latest proposals.
Good thread to read about the EUs view of their proposal.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1181934542682243072?s=19

_Brian · 09-10-2019 4:35pm

Really hope the EU holds a firm line on this.
The Brexiteers need a lesson that they are nothing special and can’t bully their way round as they did during the times of the “empire” they hark back for.

Those days are long gone and now they are a broken divided shell of a nation showing their political system up for the sham it really is.

Base price · 09-10-2019 7:03pm

_Brian wrote: »

Really hope the EU holds a firm line on this.
The Brexiteers need a lesson that they are nothing special and can’t bully their way round as they did during the times of the “empire” they hark back for.

Those days are long gone and now they are a broken divided shell of a nation showing their political system up for the sham it really is.

I read Arlene Foster's statement yesterday and a shiver ran through me when she said that the UK government should not surrender. It harked back to the days of the Rev. Ian Paisley

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-10-2019 7:15pm

Base price wrote: »

I read Arlene Foster's statement yesterday and a shiver ran through me when she said that the UK government should not surrender. It harked back to the days of the Rev. Ian Paisley

They've been calling the May agreement with the EU the surrender document since before BoJo was elected.

Those that learn nothing from history are destined to repeat it. And that's frightening for anyone that remembers the days before the Good Friday Agreement:(

Base price · 09-10-2019 7:34pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

They've been calling the May agreement with the EU the surrender document since before BoJo was elected.

Those that learn nothing from history are destined to repeat it. And that's frightening for anyone that remembers the days before the Good Friday Agreement:(

I remember when it was signed and the feeling of relief that they had got it across the line. I also remember the overwhelming positive vote to change our Constitution to reflect the agreement.

Say my name · 09-10-2019 7:40pm

*cough* Brown envelopes *cough*

*cough* They couldn't care less *cough*

Welding Rod · 10-10-2019 7:36pm

Base price wrote: »

I remember when it was signed and the feeling of relief that they had got it across the line. I also remember the overwhelming positive vote to change our Constitution to reflect the agreement.

And do you remember the virulent resistance to the Belfast agreement by the DUP!!!
And don’t forget either that Arlene and Jeffery Donaldson both defected to the DUP from the UUP specifically over Trimble’s negotiating strategy.

She should be fudged out to grass.

Say my name · 10-10-2019 7:57pm

I hope Leo's special meeting with Boris today hasn't stabbed any chances of a second referendum on brexit, in the back.

Everything was leading up nicely for a second vote. You had all the disruption in the house of commons and mostly everyone calling for it. Even Tony Blair was putting it out there as the only solution.
He's getting stick from the Brexiteers but if you didn't know people already, all this shenanigans over the last few years by the remainers and the plain ignorant incompetence of the leaders was playing to have a second referendum.
It's no secret that the Brexiteers are scared ****less in case a second vote came about.

https://twitter.com/mcashmanCBE/status/1182031432786595845?s=20

_Brian · 10-10-2019 8:05pm

Say my name wrote: »

I hope Leo's special meeting with Boris today hasn't stabbed any chances of a second referendum on brexit, in the back.

Everything was leading up nicely for a second vote. You had all the disruption in the house of commons and everyone calling for it. Even Tony Blair was putting it out there as the only solution.
He's getting stick from the Brexiteers but if you didn't know people already, all this shenanigans over the last few years by the remainers and the plain ignorant incompetence of the leaders was playing to have a second referendum.
It's no secret that the Brexiteers are scared ****less in case a second vote came about.

https://twitter.com/mcashmanCBE/status/1182031432786595845?s=20

I’m hoping he hasn’t stabbed the Irish people in the back. I’d be more comfortable with Covney doing the meetings (never thought I’d be saying that)

Leo strikes me as a fella wanting to please his peers, wanting to be the big statesman, that worries me allot.

Say my name · 10-10-2019 8:11pm

_Brian wrote: »

I’m hoping he hasn’t stabbed the Irish people in the back. I’d be more comfortable with Covney doing the meetings (never thought I’d be saying that)

Leo strikes me as a fella wanting to please his peers, wanting to be the big statesman, that worries me allot.

I know what you mean.
But I think/hope that he couldn't care less about pleasing Boris.

alps · 10-10-2019 8:22pm

Britain have to go...in name anyway. Europe cannot function with such a disruptive, dysfunctional partner. They will leave with a free trade deal at a minimum, and we should see trade back to normal pretty soon. How long it takes them to begin the conversation about rejoining, who knows, but for now, I reckon Europe are just sick of them, and couldn't face having them in parliament any longer..

Danzy · 10-10-2019 8:24pm

alps wrote: »

Britain have to go...in name anyway. Europe cannot function with such a disruptive, dysfunctional partner. They will leave with a free trade deal at a minimum, and we should see trade back to normal pretty soon. How long it takes them to begin the conversation about rejoining, who knows, but for now, I reckon Europe are just sick of them, and couldn't face having them in parliament any longer..

They'd be delighted to get that trade deal, it may well encourage others to leave in time.

_Brian · 10-10-2019 9:16pm

alps wrote: »

I reckon Europe are just sick of them, and couldn't face having them in parliament any longer..

Jesus imagine having to go to work and Nigel Farafe being there spouting his nonsense every day.

Say my name · 11-10-2019 7:28pm

Whatever about all of the above.
Sinn Fein needs to suck their pride back in and get those seven elected MP's voices heard over in Westminster pronto.
They can claim special duress or whatever to calm their electorate and go back to the status quo after.

But at the moment the DUP are claiming the sole voice of Northern Ireland.

Danzy · 11-10-2019 7:37pm

Say my name wrote: »

Whatever about all of the above.
Sinn Fein needs to suck their pride back in and get those seven elected MP's voices heard over in Westminster pronto.
They can claim special duress or whatever to calm their electorate and go back to the status quo after.

But at the moment the DUP are claiming the sole voice of Northern Ireland.

If they do that Tory Mps who back remain will go over to hard Brexit.

Whatever chance of a good deal would instantly end.

Say my name · 11-10-2019 7:58pm

Danzy wrote: »

If they do that Tory Mps who back remain will go over to hard Brexit.

Whatever chance of a good deal would instantly end.

The DUP are going to vote against the idea of a border down the Irish sea.

The DUP have ten seats.
Sinn Fein have seven.

That'll leave just three seats of a difference to the idea of an Irish sea border.
Who knows Sinn Fein may even get the Scottish National Party to support them.

The remain idea looks to be gone with the fishes.
It's just pro and anti agreement now.
The mainlanders of the Tory party want a simple easy answer to Brexit. An Irish sea border would give them that.
I don't think they're as enamoured with the north as some make out.

The current idea of the north getting the best of both the eu and Britain should have the residents dancing in the streets.
But the DUP MP's with their pockets full of russian cash couldn't care less of their electorate and hence their position.

Danzy · 11-10-2019 11:37pm

My point is that if SF Mps go there to back a deal, it will kill any hope of that deal passing.
Even if it was a popular option.

People who would vote for the deal would switch to against.

Your solution would guarantee a No Deal Brexit in a parliament that has a remain majority.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-10-2019 8:06am

I thought this was funny, watching politicians trying to alter reality:)
https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1182740073240039425?s=19

alps · 14-10-2019 10:03am

9 to 12 month extension with a review in June..??

DUP stalling could delay, and the longer its delays, the closer it gets to a re run of referendum..

Danzy · 14-10-2019 10:45am

alps wrote: »

9 to 12 month extension with a review in June..??

DUP stalling could delay, and the longer its delays, the closer it gets to a re run of referendum..

Would the EU allow another Referendum.

Just give years more uncertainty and wirh the way the Euro zone economy is, they'll have bigger fish to fry than Brexit.

They'll want an end to the uncertainty either way.

While Conservative governments have always been a key ally of the EU Commissions, when they didn't adopt the Euro, they set themselves in a different path, that won't change whatever a new ref says, so Brussels will want a resolution.

Bass Reeves · 14-10-2019 10:48am

I think Boris will take any deal to Parliament, if it is rejected he can then crash out at the end of October.

tanko · 14-10-2019 11:15am

Can't see any deal being agreed at this stage, not a hope of a no deal Brexit happening, it would be a disaster for the brits.
Another long extension on the cards, i never thought they'd leave and i still don't think they will.
The best deal they'll ever get is the situation they're in now, ie in the EU.
They were told a pack of lies before the referendum about immigration and other nonsense.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 16-10-2019 8:18am

https://twitter.com/RosalynDrew2/status/1177303743085383685?s=19

Mad_maxx · 16-10-2019 9:05am

tanko wrote: »

Can't see any deal being agreed at this stage, not a hope of a no deal Brexit happening, it would be a disaster for the brits.
Another long extension on the cards, i never thought they'd leave and i still don't think they will.
The best deal they'll ever get is the situation they're in now, ie in the EU.
They were told a pack of lies before the referendum about immigration and other nonsense.

The murdoch press has fed them a diet of anti EU propoganda for thirty years and more, that has an effect

They absolutely will leave, the next vote will be an even bigger leave vote

kk.man · 16-10-2019 2:37pm

Brexit looks to be almost fixed with a deal in sight. It's worth a punt on the stock exchange now if a person had money to gamble.

Jb1989 · 16-10-2019 3:02pm

kk.man wrote: »

Brexit looks to be almost fixed with a deal in sight. It's worth a punt on the stock exchange now if a person had money to gamble.

In what way of investment?

Say my name · 16-10-2019 7:08pm

Wohooo I think??

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1184444300706353152?s=20

"A Nation once again.
A Nation once again."

Buford T. Justice XIX · 16-10-2019 7:16pm

Say my name wrote: »

Wohooo I think??

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1184444300706353152?s=20

"A Nation once again.
A Nation once again."

Still a bit early for a sing-song, perfidious Albion and all that.

The GFA was recognised until it became an obstacle to Brexit and then dumped without apology.

kk.man · 16-10-2019 9:25pm

Jb1989 wrote: »

In what way of investment?

British and Irish stocks and shares. Currency too with GBP.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 16-10-2019 10:38pm

Looks like it's getting close to agreement?
https://twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1184571238452269056?s=19

Say my name · 16-10-2019 11:47pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Looks like it's getting close to agreement?
https://twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1184571238452269056?s=19

It'll be tomorrow if it will happen.
Seemingly all the talk was always about tomorrow not tonight.

Part of me thinks Alps could be right and this is all optics just so they say they tried and a further extension is granted and the other part thinks they may genuinely be doing something.

Leo Varadkar could look very well in all this and a possible election called in November. Then again the balloon could be burst this time tomorrow.

The eu won't be the same without them.
I can't see how farming will benefit in any way on the two islands because of it. The only saving grace for trade on the island will be the Irish sea border.

It's a bit late now but the emergence of the British supermarkets in this country were never a positive thing for farmers but then that doesn't matter either as the Germans muscled in as well. They may have been slightly not as ruthless but still..

Buford T. Justice XIX · 17-10-2019 7:37am

Say my name wrote: »

It'll be tomorrow if it will happen.
Seemingly all the talk was always about tomorrow not tonight.

Part of me thinks Alps could be right and this is all optics just so they say they tried and a further extension is granted and the other part thinks they may genuinely be doing something.

Leo Varadkar could look very well in all this and a possible election called in November. Then again the balloon could be burst this time tomorrow.

The eu won't be the same without them.
I can't see how farming will benefit in any way on the two islands because of it. The only saving grace for trade on the island will be the Irish sea border.

It's a bit late now but the emergence of the British supermarkets in this country were never a positive thing for farmers but then that doesn't matter either as the Germans muscled in as well. They may have been slightly not as ruthless but still..

The DUP issues a statement that they can't support the current agreement but will continue to seek a 'sensible' deal.

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/major-blow-to-boris-as-dup-cannot-support-current-brexit-deal-38603857.html

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