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morphy87 · 29-09-2019 11:59am

What kind of money are steers making? I was talking to my agent 10 days ago and said I had a load to go,has anyone here got in a full load yet and is it difficult?

Muckit · 29-09-2019 12:32pm

3.45 afalk. Maybe you are well in with an agent but ld be surprised if you do get in with a load together. And you may well.

Bass Reeves · 29-09-2019 12:41pm

eddiek wrote: »

Why does that sim steer get 30c penalty?

Very poor Journalism by Adams Woods he obiviously has an issue with some breeds of cattle.

The Sim steer and Hex heifer are the most glaring examples. I expect any Sim steer that ios 4+ FS at 380kgs to be grading O+/R- at least. A sim steer weighting that much would usually only be FS 3+/4-. Even under finished Sim steers that weight would be O= at least.

His example of a HEX heifer at 330 kgs grading R+ would be as rare as hens with teeth unless they came off a BB cow. Good Hex heifers that weight just about scrape into R- at best. Hex heifers would have a better chance of grading O- than the Sim steer especially as a lot of factory have breed specific days that they take HE and AA cattle I wonder why. They probably have to recalibrate the grading machine for Adam to get his R+ Hex heifer. The funny thing is from the pictures shown the Hex heifer is an O grade heifer and the Sim steer is an R grade animal

Next the LM steer which looks more like a red Charolois at 400kgs DW and 4- FS I expect him to grade R+ at least and be touching U- even at that weight and FS. The 400kg Charolois again would unlikely to be a U= at 400kgs DW and 3+FS.

Muckit · 29-09-2019 2:31pm

I don't know why lads are still buying the journal. At least with the indo on tues l have two decent crosswords

Bass Reeves · 29-09-2019 2:38pm

Muckit wrote: »

I don't know why lads are still buying the journal. At least with the indo on tues l have two decent crosswords

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

Cavanjack · 29-09-2019 3:19pm

morphy87 wrote: »

What kind of money are steers making? I was talking to my agent 10 days ago and said I had a load to go,has anyone here got in a full load yet and is it difficult?

Got €3.50 during the week for steers. They were booked in before the last round of protests. Poor price but they weighed well as they should have went a few weeks ago.

Waternotsoda · 29-09-2019 4:04pm

morphy87 wrote: »

What kind of money are steers making? I was talking to my agent 10 days ago and said I had a load to go,has anyone here got in a full load yet and is it difficult?

I have 16 AAX to go. I will probably be able send them in small loads of 5-6 bullocks. How many cattle make up a load? Is there an advantage sending them together?

Waternotsoda · 29-09-2019 4:06pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Got €3.50 during the week for steers. They were booked in before the last round of protests. Poor price but they weighed well as they should have went a few weeks ago.

Was that liffey meats?

Cavanjack · 29-09-2019 4:50pm

Waternotsoda wrote: »

Was that liffey meats?

Kepak. Liffey on the same afaik

morphy87 · 29-09-2019 6:01pm

Waternotsoda wrote: »

I have 16 AAX to go. I will probably be able send them in small loads of 5-6 bullocks. How many cattle make up a load? Is there an advantage sending them together?

27,the only advantage is that my cheque will be a bit bigger and all needed and more

morphy87 · 29-09-2019 6:02pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Got €3.50 during the week for steers. They were booked in before the last round of protests. Poor price but they weighed well as they should have went a few weeks ago.

How much heavier were your cattle dead weight compared to last year?

kk.man · 29-09-2019 6:03pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Kepak. Liffey on the same afaik

Slaney quoted me 3.45 got 3.50 in another plant.

Waternotsoda · 29-09-2019 6:35pm

I got 3.45 base Kepak. Monday steers.

Cavanjack · 29-09-2019 8:26pm

morphy87 wrote: »

How much heavier were your cattle dead weight compared to last year?

25-30kg I’d say

Keep Sluicing · 29-09-2019 9:03pm

My uncle has 16 going on Tuesday. €3:50/kg booked last Wednesday

gerryirl · 29-09-2019 9:08pm

any weight cuts anywhere

Base price · 29-09-2019 9:28pm

I notice that factories aren't keen on o&p cull cows at the moment. Also there is a plentiful supply of cattle despite what BP/Indpendent Farmers were suggesting during the blockades. Factories are backed up and are picking and choosing what they take.

cute geoge · 29-09-2019 9:54pm

Base price wrote: »

I notice that factories aren't keen on o&p cull cows at the moment. Also there is a plentiful supply of cattle despite what BP/Indpendent Farmers were suggesting during the blockades. Factories are backed up and are picking and choosing what they take.

What price o/p culls on for the coming week?

johnnyw20 · 29-09-2019 10:02pm

Probably a stupid question but has anyone tried getting u24 Whitehead bulls into the factory at the moment? Have 5 that are 3/4 weeks from the hook

Cavanjack · 30-09-2019 7:52am

johnnyw20 wrote: »

Probably a stupid question but has anyone tried getting u24 Whitehead bulls into the factory at the moment? Have 5 that are 3/4 weeks from the hook

Book them in now and you should have them killed within 4 weeks.

Base price · 30-09-2019 12:14pm

cute geoge wrote: »

What price o/p culls on for the coming week?

I haven't heard yet.

Waternotsoda · 02-10-2019 5:22pm

Just spoke to Kepak athleague. I have 6 steers booked in. The cannot take an additional 6, because they have an issue with staff in boning hall. Anybody know a factory looking for 10 aax steers about to go overage!

Muckit · 02-10-2019 7:26pm

Look it is what it is. Great to get any killed at all. Other factories won't want to know you as they all have similar staffing issues and won't want to put out their normal suppliers, which is understandable.

The other way to look at it is you are only losing 4c QA bonus over QA underage pre strike price. And you are winning 8c extra on underage cattle killed post strike. Overall you are winning.

I says · 02-10-2019 8:14pm

Cattle to go here next week, steers all hitting 30 month mark.

Danzy · 02-10-2019 8:29pm

I says wrote: »

Cattle to go here next week, steers all hitting 30 month mark.

Call straight away.

I booked in a lorry load last monday.

Was thinking they'll be ready 3rd week, might be going in then.

I says · 02-10-2019 9:17pm

Danzy wrote: »

Call straight away.

I booked in a lorry load last monday.

Was thinking they'll be ready 3rd week, might be going in then.

Booked in for next week

CHOPS01 · 18-10-2019 9:17am

Total Confused.
5 cattle killed earlier in the week. All just gone overage. Base €3.50
2 bullocks both 0=3=. One was 348kg the other 343kg
First paid at €3.62 and the second €3.40
Am I missing something ?

Bass Reeves · 18-10-2019 9:25am

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Total Confused.
5 cattle killed earlier in the week. All just gone overage. Base €3.50
2 bullocks both 0=3=. One was 348kg the other 343kg
First paid at €3.62 and the second €3.40
Am I missing something ?

I presume that they are over 30 months. in that case at a base of 3.5/kg it is 3.5-0.18+0.12 giving a price of 0.06 below the base or 3.44/kg

For an O= animal to hit 3.62 they have to be under 30 months and recieve the 10c/kg AA or He bonus or if prices as a heifer at under 30 months Check the age of the breed of that animal. I check the rest of the prices as well

The animal receiving 3.4/kg seems to be prices incorrect.

CHOPS01 · 18-10-2019 10:52am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I presume that they are over 30 months. in that case at a base of 3.5/kg it is 3.5-0.18+0.12 giving a price of 0.06 below the base or 3.44/kg

For an O= animal to hit 3.62 they have to be under 30 months and recieve the 10c/kg AA or He bonus or if prices as a heifer at under 30 months Check the age of the breed of that animal. I check the rest of the prices as well

The animal receiving 3.4/kg seems to be prices incorrect.

Thanks Bass, knew you would have the answer.
Makes sense alright. One of the 2 was 30 months on the date of slaughter so I must have got that and he would have got the HE bonus also.
Cant understand why HE bonus isn't shown seperately on the kill sheet.

Bass Reeves · 18-10-2019 11:21am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I presume that they are over 30 months. in that case at a base of 3.5/kg it is 3.5-0.18+0.12 giving a price of 0.06 below the base or 3.44/kg

For an O= animal to hit 3.62 they have to be under 30 months and recieve the 10c/kg AA or He bonus or if prices as a heifer at under 30 months Check the age of the breed of that animal. I check the rest of the prices as well

The animal receiving 3.4/kg seems to be prices incorrect.

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Thanks Bass, knew you would have the answer.
Makes sense alright. One of the 2 was 30 months on the date of slaughter so I must have got that and he would have got the HE bonus also.
Cant understand why HE bonus isn't shown seperately on the kill sheet.

Sorry looking at it again the one at 3.4 is correct as well, 3.5-.018+0.08(new QA) givers 3.4

gerryirl · 18-10-2019 7:16pm

how are lads booking cattle in.. im just sorry we have a backlog is all i get... I feel a bit like jesus and mary christmas eve looking for somewhere to stay

kk.man · 18-10-2019 10:39pm

gerryirl wrote: »

how are lads booking cattle in.. im just sorry we have a backlog is all i get... I feel a bit like jesus and mary christmas eve looking for somewhere to stay

It's very difficult. I had two factories on the go and eventually I got one to take them.
One factory broke their 'promise' two weeks back. No point in falling out with them as these are the times we live in.

Keep Sluicing · 18-10-2019 11:35pm

My last 8 went off last monday werk ago. A right mixed bag. Base of 3.45
One over age lad was never going to amout to much as he hurt is leg 8 or 10 months ago and never thrived.
Nearly €250 of levies on 8 cattle ffs

Danzy · 18-10-2019 11:51pm

I booked them all on the first week of October, as the previous ones from booking in the 24th Sept were still around, they were killed the 10th.

Hope a few will go this week but that's only hope

One consolation is they are weighing lead, no ration for finishing this year.

Keep Sluicing · 19-10-2019 11:24pm

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

My last 8 went off last monday werk ago. A right mixed bag. Base of 3.45
One over age lad was never going to amout to much as he hurt is leg 8 or 10 months ago and never thrived.
Nearly €250 of levies on 8 cattle ffs

Forgot to add this

Goeasy123 · 19-10-2019 11:37pm

157 of that is haulage so you can hardly complain about that. You buy them in or are they home bred?

whelan2 · 20-10-2019 6:40am

Have a few cows to go. Rang agent yesterday. Normally it's drop them up whenever suits. He just said he'd get back to me

Muckit · 20-10-2019 9:04am

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

Forgot to add this

Great job. You had them nicely done. I recognize that as a kepak killsheet. They didn't dock the top lad for being over 420... which is good!! It's the weight that brings the "big money"
Also good to see the 4+ getting the 12c as opposed to seeing 0.00

Muckit · 20-10-2019 9:05am

whelan2 wrote: »

Have a few cows to go. Rang agent yesterday. Normally it's drop them up whenever suits. He just said he'd get back to me

Are these the first you trying to get in since strike ended? Be interesting to see how long it takes to get them in.

whelan2 · 20-10-2019 9:29am

Muckit wrote: »

Are these the first you trying to get in since strike ended? Be interesting to see how long it takes to get them in.

He rang me back there, Tuesday. He said cattle are hard to get in but cows are different

Keep Sluicing · 20-10-2019 10:22pm

Muckit wrote: »

Great job. You had them nicely done. I recognize that as a kepak killsheet. They didn't dock the top lad for being over 420... which is good!! It's the weight that brings the "big money"
Also good to see the 4+ getting the 12c as opposed to seeing 0.00

Was told that the over 420kg would be alright before they were sent. But that they will be docked for others i send in the spring.

Kepak is right. Was just thinking that i would have over a €1000 more for them animals at a normal base price of 3.80

I dont think well see €4 base in the next 18 months.... and thats optimistic

Bass Reeves · 20-10-2019 11:23pm

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

Was told that the over 420kg would be alright before they were sent. But that they will be docked for others i send in the spring.

Kepak is right. Was just thinking that i would have over a €1000 more for them animals at a normal base price of 3.80

I dont think well see €4 base in the next 18 months.... and thats optimistic

I think Kepak was just giving the 4 months notice of what way they were setting there penalties levels at.

If we have sub 4/kg base for the next 18 months (if that is sub 4 for peak and below 3.5 for Autumn) by 2021 every dairy and AA bred calf will be shot at birth

Keep Sluicing · 20-10-2019 11:41pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I think Kepak was just giving the 4 months notice of what way they were setting there penalties levels at.

If we have sub 4/kg base for the next 18 months (if that is sub 4 for peak and below 3.5 for Autumn) by 2021 every dairy and AA bred calf will be shot at birth

At peak, bullocks base price will be sub €4 for the next 18 months. Thats the reality.

And still, cattle will be reared for it.

Bass Reeves · 21-10-2019 12:02am

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

At peak, bullocks base price will be sub €4 for the next 18 months. Thats the reality.

And still, cattle will be reared for it.

Most finishers are involved in a high cost finishing system. They are dependent on cheap stores. But there is only so much the cheap store can be. A good few lads were rearing FR bulls to 16-18 months depending on 1.6-1.8/kg a lot of these are not intending on restocking next year. Suckler farmers culled hard over the last 15 months if we have poor spring prices they will cull harder next year.

There are too many finishers dependent on turning over numbers. Costs are rising too fast. From fertlizer to diesel to grain cots. The lad with FR bulls on good land will start finishing a few bullocks. The finisher will not be able to source stock at that sort of base. They are crying at present over the current prices.

Most short term lads are struggling. There a reason why Willfarmer supported the strikes

jfh · 22-10-2019 2:02pm

Is there any sign of this glut of supply coming to an end? Got a couple to kill, 28th months so could hang on to Dec.

patsy_mccabe · 22-10-2019 5:31pm

Important to remember though that there is a long cycle time in beef. For suckling especially. From buying a heifer and putting her in calf to halving an animal fit to kill, it could be the most of 3 1/2 years. When lads get out of suckling, the culled cows only add to the queu at the factory.
Before long there could be a shortage of good quality weanlings and the cycle starts all over again.

jntsnk · 22-10-2019 5:42pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Important to remember though that there is a long cycle time in beef. For suckling especially. From buying a heifer and putting her in calf to halving an animal fit to kill, it could be the most of 3 1/2 years. When lads get out of suckling, the culled cows only add to the queu at the factory.
Before long there could be a shortage of good quality weanlings and the cycle starts all over again.

Maybe Brazilian beef will fill any void in the future ?

CloughCasey1 · 23-10-2019 4:20pm

Got my first 4 away this morning.
ChxDairy o+ 3+ 468kg
Hex Suckler o+ 3+ 410kg
Lmx Suckler r- 3+ 438kg
Lmx Suckler r+ 4= 400kg
All under 30mts got docked 10c for heavy lad
Great proof in the year helped to dull the pain of the bad prices.

morphy87 · 23-10-2019 4:54pm

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Got my first 4 away this morning.
ChxDairy o+ 3+ 468kg
Hex Suckler o+ 3+ 410kg
Lmx Suckler r- 3+ 438kg
Lmx Suckler r+ 4= 400ckg
All under 30mts got docked 10c for heavy lad
Great proof in the year helped to dull the pain of the bad prices.

Very good weights,when did you buy the chx and what weight was he? And in general how do you find the chx out of dairy cows?

CloughCasey1 · 23-10-2019 6:05pm

morphy87 wrote: »

Very good weights,when did you buy the chx and what weight was he? And in general how do you find the chx out of dairy cows?

Ya happy out with weights. He came in a lucky bag of runners, wouldn't have paid any more than 440 for him and the other 3 would be same money or less. He was a horrid looking calf but was long with a good frame and tall. Filled out mighty. Have 2 more like him at the minute so will see how they do. Extremely tall and broad but not going to win any beauty peagants!!:D

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