Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

mogwai81 · 17-09-2019 7:37am

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

At a Q&A with ROG and Alan Quinlan hosted my Denis Fogarty
Christ, you wont be hearing any of these stories in a podcast any time soon:pac:

Now you have to tell the best ones!

phog · 17-09-2019 8:49am

Caranica wrote: »

Protest is going ahead. They're protesting his signing. They did similarly at Connacht last season

Any idea how many attended the protest and in what way did they protest

Dbu wrote: »

New CEO on the way
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/munster-hire-ian-flanagan-for-ceo-role-950091.html

A bit of of a surprise but he seems to have good background - hope this works well for Munster

Eod100 wrote: »

Team out. TB captains. 8 Academy players in mix. https://mobile.twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1172126721044295680

Missed my first pre-season in years - impressive scoreline and early days yet but did anyone notice any improvements from our new coaching team.

Our A team hasn't been doing so well this season so I'm hoping the emphasis is in the senior team development during the pre-season training.

mike_cork · 17-09-2019 9:05am

phog wrote: »

Any idea how many attended the protest and in what way did they protest

A bit of of a surprise but he seems to have good background - hope this works well for Munster

Missed my first pre-season in years - impressive scoreline and early days yet but did anyone notice any improvements from our new coaching team.

Our A team hasn't been doing so well this season so I'm hoping the emphasis is in the senior team development during the pre-season training.

The protest:
About 30-40 people.
"London Irish shame on you" was the chant.
They were outside the dolphin end across the road from the entrance.
Some of the protestors were holding a large social democrats banner which i found very distasteful tbh

As regards the team performance:
Team looked very fit/sharp.
Improvements i saw was more offloading/passing & much better attack lines

kingofthekong · 17-09-2019 11:21am

shootermacg wrote: »

He's a bit slight though. He'll need to make some serious gains to play in the back row.

Hes a bit slight? have you seen O'mahony and Jordi Murphy? hes a better ball carrier than both were and bigger at the same age

Caranica · 17-09-2019 12:29pm

A team has had a lot more club players than usual as the academy are needed to bolster the main squad until the internationals are back. I think the results are more down to lack of familiarity than anything else.

The front loading of the Celtic Cup at the start of the season is ridiculous and seriously limits the opportunities for fringe players later in the season. Had it not been for those games in America in the spring, some of our squad wouldn't have played in red for half the season.

shootermacg · 17-09-2019 5:12pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

Hes a bit slight? have you seen O'mahony and Jordi Murphy? hes a better ball carrier than both were and bigger at the same age

I'd say they'd both be considerably bigger to be honest.

Lucas44 · 18-09-2019 2:40am

shootermacg wrote: »

I'd say they'd both be considerably bigger to be honest.

Judging by the highlights he was the most impressive Munster forward on the pitch, I think because of how good hodnett was this year people are forgetting just how good Josser is, if you had stuck him on this years Irish 20s team he would of been the best forward in the pack by a longshot hopefully him or Gavin Coombes can step up this year

kingofthekong · 18-09-2019 9:21am

shootermacg wrote: »

I'd say they'd both be considerably bigger to be honest.

Met all 3 in person, Jossers stats are a year or two old, really not much in it size wise and Jack has plenty of time to pack another few kilos on

Did you see the string bean O'mahony was when he was u20s? lol

Lucas44 · 18-09-2019 11:20am

kingofthekong wrote: »

Met all 3 in person, Jossers stats are a year or two old, really not much in it size wise and Jack has plenty of time to pack another few kilos on

Did you see the string bean O'mahony was when he was u20s? lol

Exactly and I think his footwork in contact is better than the other two and he looks more explosive than the two did at that age

thomond2006 · 20-09-2019 2:33pm

Munster:
Mike Haley; Darren Sweetnam, Alex McHenry, Rory Scannell, Shane Daly; JJ Hanrahan, Nick McCarthy;
James Cronin, Kevin O’Byrne, Keynan Knox; Darren O’Shea, Fineen Wycherley; Arno Botha, Tommy O’Donnell (C), Jack O’Donoghue.

Replacements from:
Rhys Marshall, Liam O’Connor, Jeremy Loughman, Stephen Archer, Billy Holland, Seán O’Connor, Gavin Coombes, Paddy Butler, Conor Oliver, Jack O’Sullivan,
Alby Mathewson, Neil Cronin, Jack Stafford, Tyler Bleyendaal, Liam Coombes, Jonathan Wren, Alan Tynan.

The starting XV looks quite close to what we'll see against the Dragons. Craig Casey is starting for the A side tonight, the scrum-half pecking order will be interesting to follow over the RWC. The backup spot behind Murray looks like an open competition.

thomond2006 · 20-09-2019 2:51pm

No sign of Cloete.

Boscoirl · 20-09-2019 2:54pm

Planing to head up to this, there is enough time to head up after the SA V NZ game

kuang1 · 20-09-2019 8:00pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

No sign of Cloete.

Yeah... What's the story there? Anyone know?

Caranica · 21-09-2019 10:18pm

Disappointing result for the A team. 3 yellow cards is unacceptable

hype101 · 22-09-2019 9:48pm

Does anyone know much about Daniel Okeke? Is he u20s this year?

Vinnie222 · 22-09-2019 9:54pm

Caranica wrote: »

Disappointing result for the A team. 3 yellow cards is unacceptable

??? A team won over the weekend

The Lost Sheep · 22-09-2019 9:56pm

hype101 wrote: »

Does anyone know much about Daniel Okeke? Is he u20s this year?

Is an under 19 and still in school so wont be playing 20s

Caranica · 23-09-2019 7:46am

Vinnie222 wrote: »

??? A team won over the weekend

They did. Sorry it was the senior team. These world cup early mornings are playing havoc with my memory.

Sabre0001 · 23-09-2019 4:28pm

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1176141499282706434

Hopefully we get some other highlights. That better be our allotment of yellow cards out of the way early in the season!

gazump123 · 23-09-2019 8:17pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Is an under 19 and still in school so wont be playing 20s

Pretty sure he is out of school

phog · 24-09-2019 12:21pm

Officials for Saturday's game

Munster vs Dragons at Thomond Park, Limerick
Referee: Ben Blaine (Scotland)
Assistant referees: Frank Murphy (Ireland), Fin Brown (Scotland)
Television match official: Andrew McMenemy (Scotland)
Timekeeper: John Cole (Ireland)

thomond2006 · 24-09-2019 1:57pm

A 31-man Munster squad played their part in last weekend’s final pre-season clash against Connacht and the 23-man squad to face Dragons will be named before noon on Friday.

On the injury front, Alex Wootton has stepped up his rehabilitation from a knee injury and has been introduced to limited training.

Darren Sweetnam, Sammy Arnold, Dan Goggin and Rhys Marshall have picked up knocks and their involvement on Saturday will be reviewed as the week progresses.

Continuing to rehab: Ciaran Parker (calf).

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/09/24/squad-update-team-news-ahead-of-season-opener-at-thomond-park/

Worst case scenario, we could be looking at:
Cronin, KOB, Archer, Wycherley, Holland, Botha, TOD, JOD;
McCarthy, JJH, Daly, Scannell, McHenry, L Coombes, Haley

Bench: Clarke/Barron, LOC, Knox, DOS, Cloete, Mathewson, Bleyendaal, Wren/Tynan

Injured: Ciaran Parker (out), Rhys Marshall (tbc), Sammy Arnold (tbc), Dan Goggin (tbc), Darren Sweetnam (tbc), Alex Wootton (out)
RWC: Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne, Peter O'Mahony, CJ Stander, Conor Murray, Joe Carbery, Chris Farrell, Keith Earls, Andrew Conway

We're potentially a bit light in outside backs if the knocks keep those players out. Wren and Tynan were the outside back replacements in Galway.

Edit: Cloete

Tomtom364 · 24-09-2019 2:11pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Worst case scenario, we could be looking at:
Cronin, KOB, Archer, Wycherley, Holland, Botha, TOD, JOD;
McCarthy, JJH, Daly, Scannell, McHenry, L Coombes, Haley

Bench: Clarke/Barron, LOC, Knox, DOS, G Coombes, Mathewson, Bleyendaal, Wren/Tynan

Injured: Ciaran Parker (out), Rhys Marshall (tbc), Sammy Arnold (tbc), Dan Goggin (tbc), Darren Sweetnam (tbc), Alex Wootton (out)
RWC: Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne, Peter O'Mahony, CJ Stander, Conor Murray, Joe Carbery, Chris Farrell, Keith Earls, Andrew Conway

We're potentially a bit light in outside backs if the knocks keep those players out. Wren and Tynan were the outside back replacements in Galway.

I imagine Cloete and Holloway will feature.

jmn51927 · 24-09-2019 2:17pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Worst case scenario, we could be looking at:
Cronin, KOB, Archer, Wycherley, Holland, Botha, TOD, JOD;
McCarthy, JJH, Daly, Scannell, McHenry, L Coombes, Haley

Bench: Clarke/Barron, LOC, Knox, DOS, G Coombes, Mathewson, Bleyendaal, Wren/Tynan

Injured: Ciaran Parker (out), Rhys Marshall (tbc), Sammy Arnold (tbc), Dan Goggin (tbc), Darren Sweetnam (tbc), Alex Wootton (out)
RWC: Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne, Peter O'Mahony, CJ Stander, Conor Murray, Joe Carbery, Chris Farrell, Keith Earls, Andrew Conway

We're potentially a bit light in outside backs if the knocks keep those players out. Wren and Tynan were the outside back replacements in Galway.

Liam Coombes to sub been good in pre season. Hope JO’S in there somewhere considering coombes has played in lock this second row, but that’s probably just my fantasy and not reality

thomond2006 · 24-09-2019 2:47pm

Tomtom364 wrote: »

I imagine Cloete and Holloway will feature.

I forgot about Cloete!

JvG confirmed that Holloway will not be available for Saturday.

phog · 24-09-2019 2:50pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Worst case scenario, we could be looking at:
Cronin, KOB, Archer, Wycherley, Holland, Botha, TOD, JOD;
McCarthy, JJH, Daly, Scannell, McHenry, L Coombes, Haley

Bench: Clarke/Barron, LOC, Knox, DOS, Cloete, Mathewson, Bleyendaal, Wren/Tynan

Injured: Ciaran Parker (out), Rhys Marshall (tbc), Sammy Arnold (tbc), Dan Goggin (tbc), Darren Sweetnam (tbc), Alex Wootton (out)
RWC: Niall Scannell, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne, Peter O'Mahony, CJ Stander, Conor Murray, Joe Carbery, Chris Farrell, Keith Earls, Andrew Conway

We're potentially a bit light in outside backs if the knocks keep those players out. Wren and Tynan were the outside back replacements in Galway.

Edit: Cloete

I assume Jed will get a start from the bench at the least if he has arrived with a work permit

thomond2006 · 24-09-2019 3:18pm

phog wrote: »

I assume Jed will get a start from the bench at the least if he has arrived with a work permit

No work permit yet, hence he's not available.

Brief_Lives · 24-09-2019 3:23pm

What was the score against Connacht?
who got the yellow cards?

is there a report?, I just zipped through this thread.. thanks..

Cookiemunster · 24-09-2019 3:51pm

Brief_Lives wrote: »

What was the score against Connacht?
who got the yellow cards?

is there a report?, I just zipped through this thread.. thanks..

Match Report

hype101 · 24-09-2019 7:36pm

gazump123 wrote: »

Pretty sure he is out of school

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Surely... Jeez, Okeke, O'Sullivan, Hodnett, Kendellen, Coombes.. Some serious backrow talent in Munster to come through over the next few years.

thomond2006 · 25-09-2019 9:16am

hype101 wrote: »

Surely... Jeez, Okeke, O'Sullivan, Hodnett, Kendellen, Coombes.. Some serious backrow talent in Munster to come through over the next few years.

In four years time POM and CJ will both be 34 years old. Those names might be in line to take over by then. POM in particular will do well to last another RWC cycle with his injury history.

phog · 25-09-2019 9:36am

thomond2006 wrote: »

In four years time POM and CJ will both be 34 years old. Those names might be in line to take over by then. POM in particular will do well to last another RWC cycle with his injury history.

If you were to take some posters on this forum seriously then you'd think they did well to make any World Cup :pac: :pac: :pac:

thomond2006 · 29-09-2019 1:58pm

Munster squad travelling to South Africa:

Stephen Archer, James Cronin, Keynan Knox, Jeremy Loughman, Liam O’Connor
Diarmuid Barron, Rhys Marshall, Kevin O’Byrne
Billy Holland, Jed Holloway, Darren O’Shea, Fineen Wycherley
Arno Botha, Chris Cloete, Gavin Coombes, Tommy O’Donnell, Jack O’Donoghue

Neil Cronin, Alby Mathewson, Nick McCarthy
Tyler Bleyendaal, JJ Hanrahan
Dan Goggin, Rory Scannell
Shane Daly, Calvin Nash, Darren Sweetnam, Mike Haley

Cheetahs first up and then the Kings. Jed Holloway travels after receiving his work permit. I was hoping Healy and/or Casey would travel but they have to settle for the Celtic Cup. Maybe they get a look in against the Ospreys in Week 4. Shane Daly travels ahead of Liam Coombes after his MOTM win, he'll also act as centre cover. Goggin available after his knock in Galway.

Squidgy Black · 29-09-2019 2:12pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Munster squad travelling to South Africa:

Stephen Archer, James Cronin, Keynan Knox, Jeremy Loughman, Liam O’Connor
Diarmuid Barron, Rhys Marshall, Kevin O’Byrne
Billy Holland, Jed Holloway, Darren O’Shea, Fineen Wycherley
Arno Botha, Chris Cloete, Gavin Coombes, Tommy O’Donnell, Jack O’Donoghue

Neil Cronin, Alby Mathewson, Nick McCarthy
Tyler Bleyendaal, JJ Hanrahan
Dan Goggin, Rory Scannell
Shane Daly, Calvin Nash, Darren Sweetnam, Mike Haley

Cheetahs first up and then the Kings. Jed Holloway travels after receiving his work permit. I was hoping Healy and/or Casey would travel but they have to settle for the Celtic Cup. Maybe they get a look in against the Ospreys in Week 4. Shane Daly travels ahead of Liam Coombes after his MOTM win, he'll also act as centre cover. Goggin available after his knock in Galway.

Is Conor Oliver injured or has he just fallen down in the pecking order altogether?

thomond2006 · 29-09-2019 2:21pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Is Conor Oliver injured or has he just fallen down in the pecking order altogether?

Down the pecking order I think. He's in a contract year so I imagine he'll struggle to make appearances. He got injured at the wrong time and now Hodnett is pushing for his spot at openside. In his limited appearances Oliver has been good, perhaps an opportunity will appear at another province. Leinster could need depth with SOB gone, VDF established with Ireland and uncertainty around Leavy.

theboss80 · 30-09-2019 12:50pm

Kings are up first on the 5th and Cheetahs the week after, Ulster there at same time doing reverse of fixtures.

I see Van Grann stating he may call up more from home depending on how first game goes and availability.

Cheetahs will be strong and a tough game. The team traveled Dublin-Doha-Joburg- Port Elizabeth, seems like alot of flights and travel time.

shootermacg · 30-09-2019 1:29pm

Reckon Larkham is putting a stamp on the team already. Nice to see Munster using the forwards and backs in attack and running on to the ball .

https://www.threeredkings.com/the-wally-ratings-munvdra/

Mucky_Tackies · 30-09-2019 3:05pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Is Conor Oliver injured or has he just fallen down in the pecking order altogether?

Down the pecking order I think. He's in a contract year so I imagine he'll struggle to make appearances. He got injured at the wrong time and now Hodnett is pushing for his spot at openside. In his limited appearances Oliver has been good, perhaps an opportunity will appear at another province. Leinster could need depth with SOB gone, VDF established with Ireland and uncertainty around Leavy.

And Penny having shoulder reconstruction too

mogwai81 · 02-10-2019 2:30pm

Rob Penney is the new Waratahs coach.

thomond2006 · 03-10-2019 3:53pm

Munster A:
Alan Tynan; Seán French, Alex McHenry, Jack Delaney, Liam Coombes; Ben Healy (C), Craig Casey;
Corrie Barrett, Kieran O’Shea, Brian Scott; Seán O’Connor, Cian Hurley; Conor Oliver, Jack Daly, Jack O’Sullivan.

Replacements: Daniel O’Connor, Mark Donnelly, James Kendrick, Luke Clohessy, John Hodnett, Jack Stafford, Jack Crowley, Jamie Shanahan.

Liam Coombes and Jack O'Sullivan drop to the A side after coming off the bench against Dragons.

yerrahbah · 04-10-2019 12:09pm

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/preview/team-named-munster-side-to-face-southern-kings-2/

Team vs the Kings

Munster: Mike Haley; Darren Sweetnam, Dan Goggin, Rory Scannell, Shane Daly; JJ Hanrahan, Alby Mathewson; Liam O’Connor, Kevin O’Byrne, Stephen Archer; Darren O’Shea, Fineen Wycherley; Jack O’Donoghue, Tommy O’Donnell (C), Arno Botha.

Replacements: Diarmuid Barron, James Cronin, Jeremy Loughman, Jed Holloway, Billy Holland, Neil Cronin, Tyler Bleyendaal, Chris Cloete.

6/2 split on the bench for the second game in a row

No TH on the bench, Cronin pehaps?

Holloway to make his debut off the bench

The Lost Sheep · 04-10-2019 12:56pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/preview/team-named-munster-side-to-face-southern-kings-2/

Team vs the Kings

Munster: Mike Haley; Darren Sweetnam, Dan Goggin, Rory Scannell, Shane Daly; JJ Hanrahan, Alby Mathewson; Liam O’Connor, Kevin O’Byrne, Stephen Archer; Darren O’Shea, Fineen Wycherley; Jack O’Donoghue, Tommy O’Donnell (C), Arno Botha.

Replacements: Diarmuid Barron, James Cronin, Jeremy Loughman, Jed Holloway, Billy Holland, Neil Cronin, Tyler Bleyendaal, Chris Cloete.

6/2 split on the bench for the second game in a row

No TH on the bench, Cronin pehaps?

Holloway to make his debut off the bench

Cronin and loughman can play loose and tight.

shootermacg · 05-10-2019 6:16pm

Munster get the job done.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/pro14/munster-turn-on-style-in-second-half-to-secure-bonuspoint-win-away-to-southern-kings-38565688.html

phog · 05-10-2019 10:25pm

Job done and with a BP win, lots to be positive about but next week will be a much tougher test.

I like how Munster but Daly in particular can create space from nowhere - I'm hoping this is a Larkham influence and we see more of it throughout the season.

Poor Cloete is having no luck with injuries, hopefully he'll be ok after this knock he picked.

shootermacg · 06-10-2019 11:51am

So excited for the season ahead. The offloading and interplay between the forwards and the backs has been sumptuous. Exciting times!

Wegians89 · 06-10-2019 12:22pm

What’s the craic with Conor Oliver, he was with the A team instead of with seniors?

hype101 · 06-10-2019 9:37pm

Jack O'Donoghue had a fine game I thought.. Looks like he's pack on some muscle while out as well.

shootermacg · 06-10-2019 10:48pm

hype101 wrote: »

Jack O'Donoghue had a fine game I thought.. Looks like he's pack on some muscle while out as well.

Yeah and fairly mobile for a big lad too. Botha was a wrecking ball too.

leakyboots · 06-10-2019 11:41pm

shootermacg wrote: »

So excited for the season ahead. The offloading and interplay between the forwards and the backs has been sumptuous. Exciting times!

Same here, our forwards can hold their own with most but the last few seasons our backs couldn't bail us out when needed. We look to be going in the right direction.

Funnily enough I see big parallels between Ireland and Munster in terms of playing style - both teams lack invention in the backs when they can't run over teams.

Very excited to see what Larkham brings, Cheetahs next weekend will be a nice early season barometer

shootermacg · 07-10-2019 8:54am

leakyboots wrote: »

Same here, our forwards can hold their own with most but the last few seasons our backs couldn't bail us out when needed. We look to be going in the right direction.

Funnily enough I see big parallels between Ireland and Munster in terms of playing style - both teams lack invention in the backs when they can't run over teams.

Very excited to see what Larkham brings, Cheetahs next weekend will be a nice early season barometer

As far as the Irish game wen, I literally think it's a combination of the weather and not wanting to show too much.

As far as Munster lacking creativity in the backs, yeah for sure, but then you could literally draw a line between the forwards and the backs in Munster under Keatley. I still remember that game in Ravenhill where we mangled Ulster and then our backs would ruin every opportunity.

What we're seeing so far this season is the backs getting on in on line breaks etc. I'm surprised at how we're going, the handling by the forwards has been brilliant, who would have thought that before the season kicked off.

Cheetas will be a very tough game though. They vaporized Ulster.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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