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Best sub €500 watch

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  • #52
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,936 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    oldsmokey wrote: »
    That’s not abad looking watch, but my heart would sink a little every time I looked at it , knowing it’s Chinese
    Thirdfox wrote: »
    :( why? Beijing Watch Factory was set up in 1958 so plenty of horological history...


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Jasus, that's mad smokey. Looks, quality and value are the 3 important things for me, couldn't care less where it's made.

    I'd be in the camp that asks why too tbh?

    Does where a well made and handsome watch, that carries a bit of history behind too is made, matter?

    If it does, why?
    I mean it's not a copy, it's a fresh and quite striking design and I'm sure there are many other similar examples.
    Why dwell on where it's made, if it's a quality piece?


  • #53
    Cyclingtourist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    banie01 wrote: »
    Why dwell on where it's made, if it's a quality piece?

    Where things are made or come from can be a determining factor for some purchasers on moral grounds. I'm thinking of South Africa under apartheid, Israeli occupied territories and yes China today.

    Obviously as an owner of several Chinese made watches I'm not one of them but I do give preference (all other things being equal) to Irish made followed by European.


  • #54
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,936 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Cyclingtourist wrote: »
    Where things are made or come from can be a determining factor for some purchasers on moral grounds. I'm thinking of South Africa under apartheid, Israeli occupied territories and yes China today..

    If the case is going to be made that China and its social credit system and its own questionable practices in Xianjing are the reason to shudder everytime one checks their watch?

    I'd hope that the poster in question carries the same level of zeal into every other aspect of their life and has the same reaction to every other item with a touch of Chinese manufacturing input.

    Boycott certainly has a role in ensuring that social injustice is highlighted and addressed.
    One's heart sinking when they check the time on a Chinese watch?
    Sounds far more like treating Chinese manufacturers as generic cheap tat, rather than a noble stance against injustice.

    Your own view certainly has merit and are actions I would certainly support
    But, nowhere in the post that kicked off this discussion are such ideals mentioned.
    Rather it's a throwaway dig that has what I hope are inadvertent, racist undertones.


  • #55
    redlead
    Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭redlead


    I think a lot of skepticism around Chinese products is well founded but also unfair in some ways. Anytime I have bought anything directly from China it has been of very poor quality and design. This would put me off spending any sort of decent money on something Chinese. This is unfair for two main reasons, firstly anything I have bought direct from China has been dirt cheap so what do I expect? Secondly, I am ignoring the fact that a hell of a lot of the "quality" Western products I buy are also made in China. This proves that they can build stuff as good as anyone.

    I do think that China does itself no favours though. Why do they produce so much junk? It damages the brand of the country. As far as I can see the products marketed direct to consumer are usually rubbish and the good stuff is all for B2B. People are very skeptical but it's not all unfounded.


    Also, in relation to the political stuff above, to be fair to CT, I don't think anything he said is remotely racist. Criticising the Chinese state doesn't make you racist anymore than criticising Israel makes you an anti semite. Edit, I see you weren't referencing CTs post.


  • #56
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,936 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    redlead wrote: »
    I think a lot of skepticism around Chinese products is well founded but also unfair in some ways. Anytime I have bought anything directly from China it has been of very poor quality and design. This would put me off spending any sort of decent money on something Chinese. This is unfair for two main reasons, firstly anything I have bought direct from China has been dirt cheap so what do I expect? Secondly, I am ignoring the fact that a hell of a lot of the "quality" Western products I buy are also made in China. This proves that they can build stuff as good as anyone.

    I do think that China does itself no favours though. Why do they produce so much junk? It damages the brand of the country. As far as I can see the products marketed direct to consumer are usually rubbish and the good stuff is all for B2B. People are very skeptical but it's not all unfounded.

    Agree with you.
    I'd compare it to Britain and Birmingham at their industrial peak 1820s thru to 1900, or Germany and their balance of cheap consumer goods versus high quality industry particularly in 1880 to 1914.

    Those were "workshops of the world" huge industrial capacity was devoted to not just high quality industrial output but also towards huge numbers of cheap, exportable consumer goods.

    China today is really no different, the industrial capacity is huge.
    Entrepreneur class that gains experience in big industry hives of their skills towards smaller markets and cost cutting is endemic in growing a profit margin.

    It's an industrial/consumer model that repeats with the rise of each economic/industrial power and the cycle will continue when China is surpassed too IMO.

    PS, I never said or implied that CT was racist nor his post.
    My example solely relates to the post that kicked off this stream by Oldmonkey.
    I would note that I didn't say he was racist either, rather that it was a definite undertone and without clarification one that people may follow.


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