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Madeleine McCann

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    #5222
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MonkieSocks wrote:
    I was responding to your post, where you said Payne was a pedo and come up with this ****.


    I didn't say Payne was a Paedophile that was a different friend of the McCanns . He has since died.


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    #5223
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    [QUOTE=maebee;109773369]Leicestershire police have been known to hold back. They held back on the Gaspars statements for 5 months[/QUOTE]


    So do you think the UK police would allow a pedophile to work in a hospital

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



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    #5224
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    This I would imagine was the reason for the dismissal of help, also D Payne may not have been comfortable with her being around .

    Can't really blame them tbh. A social worker is not an investigator, they're more likely to cause more hassle and distraction rather than letting them focus on finding their missing daughter.

    Reading the files that were linked the other day of independent witnesses I'm as confident as I can be without any evidential proof that Madeline was likely abducted and the parents had nothing to do with tbh.

    Their emotional reaction and insistence she was taken to me leads to the (unproven) fact that the kids were likely sedated, so they knew there was no possible way Madeline could just wander from the apartment and get lost.


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    #5225
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sir Clement Freud is the person they dined with that was found to be a Paedophile.


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    #5226
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Necro wrote:
    Reading the files that were linked the other day of independent witnesses I'm as confident as I can be without any evidential proof that Madeline was likely abducted and the parents had nothing to do with tbh.


    I would be on the other side of the fence. Madeline never left P d L with an abductor. The inability of two police forces , 4 investigation agencies, to find evidence of abduction sways me plus the behaviour of the McCanns and their seemingly unwillingness to help the police.


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    #5227
    maebee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭maebee


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Necro wrote: »
    Can't really blame them tbh. A social worker is not an investigator, they're more likely to cause more hassle and distraction rather than letting them focus on finding their missing daughter.

    Reading the files that were linked the other day of independent witnesses I'm as confident as I can be without any evidential proof that Madeline was likely abducted and the parents had nothing to do with tbh.

    Their emotional reaction and insistence she was taken to me leads to the (unproven) fact that the kids were likely sedated, so they knew there was no possible way Madeline could just wander from the apartment and get lost.

    The Social Worker offered to help them. They declined her help. Very very strange. If you believed your 4 year old daughter had just been abducted, you would listen to a British Social working specializing in children. They didn't want to hear from her. Very strange


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    #5228
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The inability of two police forces , 4 investigation agencies, to find evidence of abduction sways me.

    If you are using the police force and investigators as a metric of proficiency then you should also be reminded that nothing of any evidentiary value was ever found that implicated the McCanns either; hence them never being charged with anything.


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    #5229
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    retro:electro wrote:
    If you are using the police force and investigators as a metric of proficiency then you should also be reminded that nothing of any evidentiary value was ever found that implicated the McCann’s either; hence them never being charged.


    Scotland Yard was only tasked with investigating an abduction, this was the reason Colin Sutton refused to lead the investigation . The PJ is derided by many on here as being inept, they followed the abduction theory for 3 months but then turned their attention to the McCanns. Again though haven't you said you are convinced she was abducted and nothing will change your mind?


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    #5230
    maebee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭maebee


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    "Scotland Yard was only tasked with investigating an abduction"

    which is ridiculous. The only known fact is "Disappearance"


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    #5231
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Scotland Yard was only tasked with investigating an abduction, this was the reason Colin Sutton refused to lead the investigation . The PJ is derided by many on here as being inept, they followed the abduction theory for 3 months but then turned their attention to the McCanns. Again though haven't you said you are convinced she was abducted and nothing will change your mind?

    Don’t believe I’ve ever said the bolded bit. Care to show me where I did?


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    #5232
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    retro:electro wrote:
    Don’t believe I’ve ever said the bolded bit. Care to show me where I did?


    I did say I was paraphrasing when I said it earlier. If I get a chance to tomorrow I'll have a look for your exact quote. Goodnight .


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    #5233
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I did say I was paraphrasing when I said it earlier. If I get a chance to tomorrow I'll have a look for your exact quote. Goodnight .

    Yeah I never said it. But I do believe that is the third time today you have been asked to back up a claim and have been unable or declined.
    Quite telling.
    But alrighty.


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    #5234
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    maebee wrote: »
    ?
    They declined help in finding their missing daughter? These are the people who launched a million dollar campaign to find their missing daughter

    And employed some fairly dodgey strangers to do so ...


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    #5235
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    maebee wrote: »
    The Social Worker offered to help them. They declined her help. Very very strange. If you believed your 4 year old daughter had just been abducted, you would listen to a British Social working specializing in children. They didn't want to hear from her. Very strange

    Eh? In a missing person/abduction case?

    What skills can the social worker bring to the table that the police would not have? Did she have detailed knowledge of child sex rings in Portugal perhaps?

    Sorry for being facetious but her expertise in this case is about as useful as a turd sandwich.


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    #5236
    maebee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭maebee


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Oh FFS, if your 4 year old daughter is missing, you would take all assistance offered.


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    #5237
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    Necro wrote: »
    Can't really blame them tbh. A social worker is not an investigator, they're more likely to cause more hassle and distraction rather than letting them focus on finding their missing daughter.

    Reading the files that were linked the other day of independent witnesses I'm as confident as I can be without any evidential proof that Madeline was likely abducted and the parents had nothing to do with tbh.

    Their emotional reaction and insistence she was taken to me leads to the (unproven) fact that the kids were likely sedated, so they knew there was no possible way Madeline could just wander from the apartment and get lost.

    Not directed at your comment particularly but just thinking would it alternatively be possible if she had been sedated by her parents and died as a result of that sedation - that her parents would also have had an similar emotional reaction. With the insistence being part of the fact that one or more of them could never reveal what had happened for fear of being charged with abandonment and or neglect and risk losing their other children and possibly their fitness to practice?


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    #5238
    Trekker09
    Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Trekker09


    maebee wrote: »
    Oh FFS, if your 4 year old daughter is missing, you would take all assistance offered.

    ....and if someone felt 'iffy' to you, to pushy etc, would you still engage with them?


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    #5239
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    maebee wrote: »
    Oh FFS, if your 4 year old daughter is missing, you would take all assistance offered.

    A stranger poking her nose in != assistance.

    This woman later sent an anonymous letter to the Met about the case - I'd say the McCanns dodged a bullet.

    In any case, the police don't seem to have taken her seriously:
    Portuguese Police wrote:
    The statements given to the PJ today by Yvonne Martin provide a concrete clarification of the reasons for her suspicions, which in my opinion, do not point to any concrete element that could, in any way, make other inquiries directly related to her statements, viable.


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    #5240
    micks_address
    Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Trekker09 wrote: »
    maebee wrote: »
    Oh FFS, if your 4 year old daughter is missing, you would take all assistance offered.

    ....and if someone felt 'iffy' to you, to pushy etc, would you still engage with them?
    Yeah to be honest id probably suspect they were an undercover reporter or something


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    #5241
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    maebee wrote: »
    "Scotland Yard was only tasked with investigating an abduction"

    which is ridiculous. The only known fact is "Disappearance"


    I'm not sure that's strictly true.
    Operation Grange wrote:
    Investigative review
    The Met’s involvement, known as Operation Grange, is led by the Specialist Crime Command unit and involved, in the first instance, an ‘investigative review’. This was a review of all of the investigations that had been previously conducted into the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

    Ongoing investigation
    In July 2013 the status of the Met’s enquiries changed to that of an investigation, working with the Portuguese authorities to pursue specific lines of enquiry.

    The Portuguese authorities retain the lead and the Met continues to work in support of them.


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    #5242
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    She advised Kate not to speak to the media, good advice but as with advice of that nature it was ignored by the McCanns....

    Strangely the penny appears to have recently dropped. Regarding the recent Netfix 'documentary' ....

    On March 6, they posted a short statement on their website, FindMadeleine.com, saying that they’d been asked to participate by the production company, but that they’d failed to see how the series might aid their ongoing efforts to find their daughter. “Particularly,” the couple wrote, “given there is an active police investigation, [the show] could potentially hinder it.”

    Took them a long time to figure that one out tbh


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    #5243
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    maebee wrote: »
    Oh FFS, if your 4 year old daughter is missing, you would take all assistance offered.

    In fairness you would be very naive to start accepting advice from any and every random stranger offering to help.


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    #5244
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    retro:electro wrote:
    Yeah I never said it. But I do believe that is the third time today you have been asked to back up a claim and have been unable or declined. Quite telling. But alrighty.


    #4392 as I said I paraphrased what you said.
    Not sure what other claims you are referring to although one poster asked who I was referring to when I said several here see no wrong in the McCanns. I did tell that poster I was not naming anyone. That's the only claim I can think of. Not that any of it means anything tbh.


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    #5245
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    RollieFingers wrote:
    In fairness you would be very naive to start accepting advice from any and every random stranger offering to help.


    A random stranger that identifies herself and produces her credentials? She advised Kate not to talk to the media that was sound advice. She as a compatriot was offering help in a country unfamiliar to the McCanns but where she was a part time resident.


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    #5246
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    #4392 as I said I paraphrased what you said.
    Not sure what other claims you are referring to although one poster asked who I was referring to when I said several here see no wrong in the McCanns. I did tell that poster I was not naming anyone. That's the only claim I can think of. Not that any of it means anything tbh.

    That’s not paraphrasing. That’s making something up entirely.
    You can stop misconstruing what I said now.
    But it’s grand. We’ll move on.


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    #5247
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    RollieFingers wrote: »
    In fairness you would be very naive to start accepting advice from any and every random stranger offering to help.

    Especially in the aftermath of what you believe was an abduction, you’d be suspicious of everyone never mind forceful strangers with no experience in the field who plonk down beside you while you’re in hysterics and ask inappropriate questions. Like I said before, if they had accepted her help they would be judged for that too. I believe she had to be told a few times to leave as well. And then there’s her “feeling” she thinks she saw David Payne before somewhere but can’t remember when or why or how.
    She sounds like a total and utter numpty.


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    #5248
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    retro:electro wrote:
    That’s not paraphrasing. That’s making something up entirely. You can stop misconstruing what I said now. But it’s grand. We’ll move on.


    'my views will never change' your words.
    As you say we'll move on.


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    #5249
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    'my views will never change' your words.
    As you say we'll move on.

    Selectively quoting me there. What I said was:
    just offering my views on the doc.My views will never change. In the absence of anything else, I’m as entitled to feel how I feel as you are.

    My views on the doc will never change. I even made it easy for you when I said in the absence of anything else I’m entitled to feel as I like.

    I never said nothing will change my mind like you claimed I did. If new evidence came to light that seriously implicated the McCanns of course I would. But based on what we have now, I believe she was abducted. I believe that was made perfectly clear in that post and indeed many earlier and subsequent ones.

    Please stop misconstruing what i stated.

    Happy to clear that up and happy to move on.


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    #5250
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    retro:electro wrote:
    Especially in the aftermath of what you believe was an abduction, you’d be suspicious of everyone never mind forceful strangers with no experience in the field who plonk down beside you while you’re in hysterics and ask inappropriate questions. Like I said before, if they had accepted her help they would be judged for that too. I believe she had to be told a few times to leave as well. And then there’s her “feeling†she thinks she saw David Payne before somewhere but can’t remember when or why or how. She sounds like a total and utter numpty.


    If you have read the second link provided by Maebee in #5190 you will see Yvonne Martin is not as vague about David Payne as you are suggesting. It would also explain why Mr Payne would rather a child protection officer was brushed off as quickly as possible.


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    #5251
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    dave699 wrote: »
    The body not been found is what gets me.
    Surely means it was planned. Can't see anyone thinking clearly enough after an accident to get rid of a body in an area they don't know to well.

    For me rules the family out. Don't see how they could have managed to get the body hid so well

    The above is why a lot of people go for the bin theory as at the time it was tipped not a land fill, So the body would be long buried

    If the theory is correct or not is one thing but its one place you would not find it unless the whole thing was dug up


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