Journalism and cycling

CramCycle · 12-11-2019 11:56am

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere or not..

The new advert for Hyundai where the lady in the SUV is stuck in a morning traffic, so hops out of the car, takes out the electric scooter and breezes through all the other SUV's blocking up the roads..

Crazy... First Amsterdam... 2nd Why bother to drive a car into work at all?

So does the car just sit in traffic until it finds a spot close enough to the office to park? Ad made sense until I realised what was happening. Why not just tell the car to park as close as possible to where the driver gave up, you can clearly get ack to that point easily enough. Loads of drivers do this on the N!1, pull in at Loughlinstown or Cabinteely, park the car and either bike or scooter it the rest of the way.

beauf · 12-11-2019 12:19pm

Shes commuting From Dublin...

Tenzor07 · 12-11-2019 12:41pm

CramCycle wrote: »

So does the car just sit in traffic until it finds a spot close enough to the office to park? Ad made sense until I realised what was happening. Why not just tell the car to park as close as possible to where the driver gave up, you can clearly get ack to that point easily enough. Loads of drivers do this on the N!1, pull in at Loughlinstown or Cabinteely, park the car and either bike or scooter it the rest of the way.

This is the future of city motoring, drive out onto the road and help create a traffic jam, then take your electric scooter or fold up bike out of the boot and travel to the office the way you should have in the first place!

I reckon that the system in the car is following a route set by the driver, something like when you pin a location in Google maps, and then drives around until there's a free parking space detected.. Or if you're just in for a coffee then the car will drive around the streets until you press the button on your smartphone app to recall the vehicle to your location.

Though this level of self-driving vehicle won't be made legal for many years to come...

Mickiemcfist · 12-11-2019 12:43pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Though this level of self-driving vehicle won't be made legal for many years to come...

Hopefully congestion charges will beat them to the punch.

Fian · 12-11-2019 1:26pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Though this level of self-driving vehicle won't be made legal for many years to come...

Actually there is an interesting legal ambiguity here. It is currently not legal to allow a car to drive you around autonomously - it would constitute the offence of driving without due care and attention, or dangerous driving depending on what happens.

If the car is empty though - who is committing a crime? Who is driving/in charge of the vehicle? I can't see how you could prosecute tbh. Especially as the garda who comes across an empty vehicle would not be able to give evidence of who was in the driver seat and stepped out of it ten minutes earlier.

I suppose you could try to argue that pressing a button on your app that calls a car to you constitutes some form of RTA offence, but tbh the law probably needs to catch up before this form of autonomy becomes a reality.

Macy0161 · 12-11-2019 1:30pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Loads of drivers do this on the N!1, pull in at Loughlinstown or Cabinteely, park the car and either bike or scooter it the rest of the way.

Yep, when I bike commute, this is what I do. But you see people do it for buses around foxrock and stillorgan, as well as active travel.

Hurrache · 12-11-2019 1:30pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

Radio is a lost cause, I think. It's increasingly designed to be consumed by people in cars, as it's the main environment where radio doesn't have to compete with other media (though phones make a spirited, illegal attempt to muscle in).

I'm sure I heard Cooper saying something along the lines that most of the responses they were getting were from motorists (I had long since turned out). Well I imagine that's because they're all stopped in traffic listening and texting.

Edit, someone there before me.

xckjoo · 12-11-2019 1:31pm

Fian wrote: »

Actually there is an interesting legal ambiguity here. It is currently not legal to allow a car to drive you around autonomously - it would constitute the offence of driving without due care and attention, or dangerous driving depending on what happens.

If the car is empty though - who is committing a crime? Who is driving/in charge of the vehicle? I can't see how you could prosecute tbh. Especially as the garda who comes across an empty vehicle would not be able to give evidence of who was in the driver seat and stepped out of it ten minutes earlier.

I suppose you could try to argue that pressing a button on your app that calls a car to you constitutes some form of RTA offence, but tbh the law probably needs to catch up before this form of autonomy becomes a reality.

Would it not be akin to leaving the handbrake off on your car and it rolling down a hill and causing damage?

JMcL · 12-11-2019 1:35pm

Fian wrote: »

If the car is empty though - who is committing a crime? Who is driving/in charge of the vehicle? I can't see how you could prosecute tbh. Especially as the garda who comes across an empty vehicle would not be able to give evidence of who was in the driver seat and stepped out of it ten minutes earlier.

Ah, just lift the 2 ton robot cruising around causing danger and obstruction and crush it. Owners of said robots will quickly learn to be more careful

CramCycle · 12-11-2019 1:41pm

xckjoo wrote: »

Would it not be akin to leaving the handbrake off on your car and it rolling down a hill and causing damage?

Only if it causes damage. At the minute littering might be one of not in a parking space. I wonder will autonomous cars obey Garda directions outside of the norm? Waynoff topic though

Mickiemcfist · 12-11-2019 2:10pm

Funniest thing I've heard about the future of autonomous cars is that they will be "bullied" in cities, i.e. once all cars have radar braking etc, then a pedestrian can just stroll across the road without looking, in the knowledge that the cars systems are better at stopping than a human driver.

One thing is for sure, it'll make cycle commuting nicer!

Cabaal · 12-11-2019 2:13pm

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

Funniest thing I've heard about the future of autonomous cars is that they will be "bullied" in cities, i.e. once all cars have radar braking etc, then a pedestrian can just stroll across the road without looking, in the knowledge that the cars systems are better at stopping than a human driver.

One thing is for sure, it'll make cycle commuting nicer!

The scumbags will have great fun walking across roads stopping traffic at random :pac::pac::pac::pac:

check_six · 12-11-2019 2:15pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Only if it causes damage. At the minute littering might be one of not in a parking space. I wonder will autonomous cars obey Garda directions outside of the norm? Waynoff topic though

Nope, or maybe yes. Maybe you will just need a lookie-likie police hat to be able to command all the auto-drive cars in the future. Could be some fun there!

Also, still not convinced that roundabouts can be navigated with any sensible algorithm either. Currently, there is a lot of mind-reading and voodoo required to make it safely around them, 'cause there sure is a lot of weird inconsistent behaviour around roundabouts right now. You can't have a robot reading indicators, because they could mean *anything*. They don't have too many roundabouts in the US where they are developing these things either. Think it may be a random number generator which is going to make the decisions!

xckjoo · 12-11-2019 2:25pm

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

Funniest thing I've heard about the future of autonomous cars is that they will be "bullied" in cities, i.e. once all cars have radar braking etc, then a pedestrian can just stroll across the road without looking, in the knowledge that the cars systems are better at stopping than a human driver.

One thing is for sure, it'll make cycle commuting nicer!

Last I heard they couldn't detect cyclists worth a sh1te so be careful with that assumption! Might pave the way to better segregated cycling infrastructure though if car manufacturers realise it would save them money on development :pac:

Fian · 12-11-2019 3:41pm

xckjoo wrote: »

Would it not be akin to leaving the handbrake off on your car and it rolling down a hill and causing damage?

Exactly. hard to imagine anyone being prosecuted if their car rolled down a hill and caused damage, especially if there was no evidence of them actually getting out of it.

Civil liability is a whole other ball game of course. But that only happens if there is an actual collision.

My comment was about whether anything could be done about a car self driving to a parking space as matters currently stand, as shown in the ad video.

Fian · 12-11-2019 3:43pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/cyclist-dangerous-overtaking-law-4887875-Nov2019/

journal on dangerous overtaking law. Comments are predictable.

xckjoo · 12-11-2019 3:51pm

Fian wrote: »

Exactly. hard to imagine anyone being prosecuted if their car rolled down a hill and caused damage, especially if there was no evidence of them actually getting out of it.

Civil liability is a whole other ball game of course. But that only happens if there is an actual collision.

My comment was about whether anything could be done about a car self driving to a parking space as matters currently stand, as shown in the ad video.

Really? I would assume they could almost definitely be prosecuted. Probably wouldn't happen for minor damage but if it caused severe injury or death I'd assume you'd be facing a charge. Not a lawyer though.

crisco10 · 12-11-2019 3:52pm

Fian wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/cyclist-dangerous-overtaking-law-4887875-Nov2019/

journal on dangerous overtaking law. Comments are predictable.

Ironically, it's been a tough week in the press for cyclists. The introduction of this law has prompted so much negative "debate" around cyclists and probably has only served to ingrain the motorists v cyclist debate.

It's been thoroughly depressing really. Nobody talking about the benefits of cycling for society, for our emissions targets, for our healthcare system etc. Instead its all "road tax", "red light jumping" and "no lights".

I really would love if instead of a sit down protest in town, if every cyclist did get in their car with signs on the windows saying "I usually cycle". At this point a demonstration like this seems to be the only thing that we can do to win over people in their cars.

daragh_ · 12-11-2019 4:21pm

Fian wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/cyclist-dangerous-overtaking-law-4887875-Nov2019/

journal on dangerous overtaking law. Comments are predictable.

It's usually a total cesspool but I went and had a look anyway. The usual frothing at the mouth stuff being calmly rebutted by people with actual facts. Fair play Shane Hogan and others.

RobbieMD · 12-11-2019 5:27pm

xckjoo wrote: »

Really? I would assume they could almost definitely be prosecuted. Probably wouldn't happen for minor damage but if it caused severe injury or death I'd assume you'd be facing a charge. Not a lawyer though.

Criminal damage is an unusual offence in that it can be prosecuted on the basis of recklessness without demonstrating any intent. Most criminal offences require proof of intent.

rubadub · 12-11-2019 5:38pm

Many of these articles are making out like its some brand new law, never in place before. I wonder if any scumbags were out the night before the ban taking advantage of their last day of freedom!

All they did is increase the fine, some might think there was no such law against close passing before, and many seem to think the have introduced 1m & 1.5m rules, some think only 1.5m.

Reminds me of the time they campaigned about throwing away chewing gum, I remember people saying "jesus, did you hear you can be fined €150 for throwing away chewing gum now" -ehh, you always could, its litter just like any other.

With all the talk of road tax its strange you do not see many screaming about getting rid of the cycle to work scheme. I would love to see their faces if they heard of the countries who pay people to cycle.

Pinch Flat · 12-11-2019 5:44pm

daragh_ wrote: »

It's usually a total cesspool but I went and had a look anyway. The usual frothing at the mouth stuff being calmly rebutted by people with actual facts. Fair play Shane Hogan and others.

My favourite reply is when people bleat on about insurance and cyclists. Somehow being insured equates to being safe on the roads.

As we know about 40,000 cyclists are voluntarily insured. Love pointing out that we all pay an 8% levy on our motoring insurance policies to cover 160,000 uninsured motorists that cause €60m in damage annually in collisions- works out nearly 1 in 20 motorists uninsured.

donvito99 · 12-11-2019 6:17pm

I would actually be in favour of a "road" tax to be imposed on cyclists (even the cyclists who of course pay "road" tax but cycle to work because they're not fantastically lazy).

The average "road" tax paid in Ireland is said to be €406.

Emissions are zero from a bicycle, and the road wear of a bicycle with a fat man on it is approximately 1/17,059th of the average car.

So cyclists could pay approx 2c per year. You should get a disc and everything.

That'd shut them up fairly lively.

Pinch Flat · 12-11-2019 6:23pm

donvito99 wrote: »

I would actually be in favour of a "road" tax to be imposed on cyclists (even the cyclists who of course pay "road" tax but cycle to work because they're not fantastically lazy).

The average "road" tax paid in Ireland is said to be €406.

Emissions are zero from a bicycle, and the road wear of a bicycle with a fat man on it is approximately 1/17,059th of the average car.

So cyclists could pay approx 2c per year. You should get a disc and everything.

That'd shut them up fairly lively.

Also, a rebate of 5 days out of 7 for the time my car sits on the driveway and I commute by bike. One less car, less pollution, less congestion.

Thinkingaboutit · 12-11-2019 6:26pm

daragh_ wrote: »

It's usually a total cesspool but I went and had a look anyway. The usual frothing at the mouth stuff being calmly rebutted by people with actual facts. Fair play Shane Hogan and others.

I tend to avoid the comments there as they seem to be a bit IQ lowering, or causing me to despair for humanity, but yes, that's certainly good.

@donvito99

Once a government has a charge or tax on something, it generally rises inexorably, and never disappears. I certainly wouldn't pay a cent, even if somehow it was directed towards cycling infrastructure, given the dire design of so many cycle lanes and routes, particularly around junctions, and given the extraordinary benefits of cycling.

Cars are so often necessary, but they do such damage, most obviously in wearing out roads and infrastructure given priority everywhere. All those diesel passenger cars brought through perverse government incentives, informed by VW's deliberate emission's fraud, have surely increased emissions of NOx, which results in early childhood asthma, among other effects.

lark · 12-11-2019 6:29pm

Nice article on the BBC website - the evolution of bikes and cycling.
I'm too new to post links but put the usual www in front of the following:
bbc.com/future/bespoke/made-on-earth/an-ordinary-bicycles-epic-journey/

magicbastarder · 12-11-2019 8:13pm

crisco10 wrote: »

It's been thoroughly depressing really. Nobody talking about the benefits of cycling for society, for our emissions targets, for our healthcare system etc. Instead its all "road tax", "red light jumping" and "no lights".

case in point, and from a (quote unquote) elected representative:
https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1193831532852662277

it's the equivalent (though obviously less serious) of pat kenny saying 'up next, we discuss a new law to help women who are the victims of violence' and someone like craughwell piping up and saying 'but i saw a woman hit a man once!'

Pinch Flat · 12-11-2019 9:07pm

Can never understand the hate for cyclists and red lights. The red light breaking by motorists - certainly in Dublin - is laughable. 3,4 or 5 through a red not unusual - double that of there’s two lanes. If Ireland was this kind of traffic utopia I could understand the hate, but motorists are pretty much out of control from what I can see.

Duckjob · 12-11-2019 9:46pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Can never understand the hate for cyclists and red lights. The red light breaking by motorists - certainly in Dublin - is laughable. 3,4 or 5 through a red not unusual - double that of there’s two lanes. If Ireland was this kind of traffic utopia I could understand the hate, but motorists are pretty much out of control from what I can see.

I think it's that lack of self awareness where people project and see in others what they are/do themselves - sort of like how every personal insult Trump throws at other people pretty much applies perfectly to him.

Stark · 12-11-2019 9:48pm

"speeding cyclists"

Eamonnator · 12-11-2019 11:35pm

Duckjob wrote: »

I think it's that lack of self awareness where people project and see in others what they are/do themselves - sort of like how every personal insult Trump throws at other people pretty much applies perfectly to him.

great analogy

Breezer · 12-11-2019 11:40pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Can never understand the hate for cyclists and red lights. The red light breaking by motorists - certainly in Dublin - is laughable. 3,4 or 5 through a red not unusual - double that of there’s two lanes. If Ireland was this kind of traffic utopia I could understand the hate, but motorists are pretty much out of control from what I can see.

I don't honestly think motorists see the red light jumping by other motorists when they're behind the wheel of a car. Possibly because they'd need to be towards the top of the queue? Whereas they can see cyclists who break lights cycling past them and then disappearing? Just a theory. But I've had conversations with very reasonable people who drive but don't cycle, who will tell me they rarely see car drivers breaking red lights, but they see "most" cyclists doing this

eeeee · 13-11-2019 12:06am

Breezer wrote: »

I don't honestly think motorists see the red light jumping by other motorists when they're behind the wheel of a car. Possibly because they'd need to be towards the top of the queue? Whereas they can see cyclists who break lights cycling past them and then disappearing? Just a theory. But I've had conversations with very reasonable people who drive but don't cycle, who will tell me they rarely see car drivers breaking red lights, but they see "most" cyclists doing this

I think this is exactly it. As a cyclist you are almost always at the top of every junction due to filtering, and we see cars breaking lights at almost every one. But the majority of cars are well back from a junction and don't see the cars running through, they just roll up to the back of the car in front, and see cyclists filtering to their left.

I think it's that, combined by the misery and frustration of sitting in their mainly empty car full of entitlement that they should be progressing way faster and easier than they are. They do not identify the other mainly empty cars as an issue, and are soothed in their entitled and righteous anger by the media, who find this frustration a lucrative vein to tap into for engagement and therefore money.

magicbastarder · 13-11-2019 8:50am

Thousands of duck eggs destroyed because birds ‘posed threat to cyclists’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/duck-eggs-mallard-cyclist-natural-england-destroy-bedfordshire-a9198886.html

Seth Brundle · 13-11-2019 9:57am

Following his recent tweet giving out about cyclists, Sen Craughwell has accepted an offer to cycle within the city to see firsthand what cyclists see every day
https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1193831532852662277

Credit to him,he is thinking of cycling along the quays and possibly up past Leinster house.

https://twitter.com/IBIKEDublin/status/1194345360379932672

https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1194352829504339968

It will be interesting to see what he has to say afterwards.

hesker · 13-11-2019 10:12am

I’m guessing he will say something like...he was terrified.....it’s not safe....and therefore there is no place for cyclists on our roads

Mickiemcfist · 13-11-2019 10:26am

My bet is "I had no problem stopping at traffic lights, staying in the cycle lane & obeying the rules. Why can't they all be like that?"

Pinch Flat · 13-11-2019 10:34am

Make sure you send him through the Phoenix park to Park Gate Street - lots of red light breaking motorists coming from Chapelizod and down the hill lat the criminal courts. He'll also enjoy jostling with private motorists in the bus / cycle lane along the quays who couldn't be arsed joining the mayhem to their right. And the bridge at the four courts is a favourite for quick red light breaking by motorists coming from your right. Turning right on D'Olier Street, he'll enjoy navigating the wall of buses that make cycling here almost impossible. Let's see how he gets on....

Fian · 13-11-2019 10:38am

magicbastarder wrote: »

it's the equivalent (though obviously less serious) of pat kenny saying 'up next, we discuss a new law to help women who are the victims of violence' and someone like craughwell piping up and saying 'but i saw a woman hit a man once!'

That is a really good analogy that I fully intend to steal and deploy whenever I hear whataboutery like this in person. As regards it not being more serious It would be intersting to compare the number of cyclists killed by motorists annually relative to women killed as a result of domestic violence, I have no idea what the relative statistics with regard to injuries are.

Less emotive and less morally culpable of course, given that one set of harm is accidental and the other is malicious. anyway even measuring is just more whataboutery I suppose the important thing is the the logic that would make the domestic violence statement indefensible applies equally if less emotively to the cyclist red herrings when road traffic measures are introduced.

Tenzor07 · 13-11-2019 10:40am

Another great article by Cian Ginty:

https://irishcycle.com/2019/11/13/quid-pro-quos-have-no-place-in-road-safety-debate/

The logical conclusion to this is like saying: “I won’t knock you down if you don’t break the law” — I cannot believe I have to spell this out, but there’s huge legal as well as moral issues with this line of thinking. Another position which is hardly better is “cyclists endanger me when I walk around, so, why are they getting protection”.

Macy0161 · 13-11-2019 11:11am

Pinch Flat wrote: »

If Ireland was this kind of traffic utopia I could understand the hate, but motorists are pretty much out of control from what I can see.

Speeding is so endemic, that it's socially acceptable to bleat about "shooting fish in a barrel" or how "the speed limits are too low" with no one batting an eyelid.

eeeee wrote: »

But the majority of cars are well back from a junction and don't see the cars running through, they just roll up to the back of the car in front, and see cyclists filtering to their left.

Too busy checking their phones...

CramCycle · 13-11-2019 11:20am

Macy0161 wrote: »

Speeding is so endemic, that it's socially acceptable to bleat about "shooting fish in a barrel" or how "the speed limits are too low" with no one batting an eyelid.

Part of my job is H&S and reviewing incidents. Somehow it came up in the latest chat about speeding. The guy was talking about how his friend, a nurse, described speeding motorcyclists as eyeball donors as that was all that was not destroyed. He then went on to tell me about getting a speeding ticket for doing 180km/hr on the motorway. The person beside him as we were talking mentioned that was lunacy but that they got popped at 150km/hr. We chatted for a few minutes and they all agreed that even the slightest error would result in their immediate deaths. Weirdly, they seemed OK with this as they talked some more and came to the conclusion that they wouldn't suffer as they wouldn't survive.

I have no words.

Stark · 13-11-2019 11:33am

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Make sure you send him through the Phoenix park to Park Gate Street - lots of red light breaking motorists coming from Chapelizod and down the hill lat the criminal courts. He'll also enjoy jostling with private motorists in the bus / cycle lane along the quays who couldn't be arsed joining the mayhem to their right. And the bridge at the four courts is a favourite for quick red light breaking by motorists coming from your right. Turning right on D'Olier Street, he'll enjoy navigating the wall of buses that make cycling here almost impossible. Let's see how he gets on....

Or along Chapelizod road onto Conyngham road. First enjoy the broken glass along the off-road cycle lane (which is still much better than most off-road cycle lanes in Dublin despite of it), then nearly get taken out of it by motorists exiting Islandbridge gate without looking to their right as you rejoin the road. Then enjoy the tailback of private motorists in the bus lane all the way back to the lights once you pass the lights.

Stark · 13-11-2019 11:36am

CramCycle wrote: »

Part of my job is H&S and reviewing incidents. Somehow it came up in the latest chat about speeding. The guy was talking about how his friend, a nurse, described speeding motorcyclists as eyeball donors as that was all that was not destroyed. He then went on to tell me about getting a speeding ticket for doing 180km/hr on the motorway. The person beside him as we were talking mentioned that was lunacy but that they got popped at 150km/hr. We chatted for a few minutes and they all agreed that even the slightest error would result in their immediate deaths. Weirdly, they seemed OK with this as they talked some more and came to the conclusion that they wouldn't suffer as they wouldn't survive.

I have no words.

I'm reminded of a Bart Simpson quote "at least if I die, I'll take a lot of innocent people with me".

De Bhál · 13-11-2019 11:40am

CramCycle wrote: »

Part of my job is H&S and reviewing incidents. Somehow it came up in the latest chat about speeding. The guy was talking about how his friend, a nurse, described speeding motorcyclists as eyeball donors as that was all that was not destroyed. He then went on to tell me about getting a speeding ticket for doing 180km/hr on the motorway. The person beside him as we were talking mentioned that was lunacy but that they got popped at 150km/hr. We chatted for a few minutes and they all agreed that even the slightest error would result in their immediate deaths. Weirdly, they seemed OK with this as they talked some more and came to the conclusion that they wouldn't suffer as they wouldn't survive.

I have no words.

should be getting a couple of months driving ban for going 180 on a motorway.

Tenzor07 · 13-11-2019 11:50am

CramCycle wrote: »

Part of my job is H&S and reviewing incidents. Somehow it came up in the latest chat about speeding.
He then went on to tell me about getting a speeding ticket for doing 180km/hr on the motorway.
The person beside him as we were talking mentioned that was lunacy but that they got popped at 150km/hr.

I'm surprised people admit to driving over 100mph or close to. I hope they said this in a tone that made you think they were ashamed about it?

And why they would mention it in the workplace either is surprising as in a lot of workplaces where employees have the use of or are required to drive company vehicles then it could lead to a reprimand by H.R.

Saw this in a UK news article:

Drivers caught speeding at over 100mph are referred to Court, where magistrates have the discretion to issue a driving ban or 6 penalty points on a driver’s licence. The maximum fine for serious speeding offences is £1000, rising to £2500 if caught on a motorway.

Road safety charity, Brake, are concerned about the number of drivers caught traveling at more than 100mph. Stopping distances at speeds over 100mph are more than 182m, the equivalent of about 45 car lengths, or nearly two football pitches. Brake want to see drivers automatically banned if caught traveling at over 100mph

adrian522 · 13-11-2019 12:33pm

Editorial in the Independent:

'Cyclists deserve to be safe on the road to nowhere'

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/editorial-cyclists-deserve-to-be-safe-on-the-road-to-nowhere-38683701.html

Utter Consternation · 13-11-2019 12:58pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Editorial in the Independent:

'Cyclists deserve to be safe on the road to nowhere'

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/editorial-cyclists-deserve-to-be-safe-on-the-road-to-nowhere-38683701.html

From a quick perusal yesterday, the indo did seem to have multiple articles that were relatively cyclist friendly.

hollypink · 13-11-2019 1:38pm

After the piece on Pat Kenny about cyclists on Monday, a senator tweeted about seeing cyclists breaking the lights. He was challenged to accompany a cyclist on a cycle around Dublin city centre to see it from a cyclist's perspective, and to his credit (he is in his sixties and doesnt own a bike so it must be a long time since he cycled), he agreed. I hope it happens and maybe changes the way he views cyclists.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1194337092081508352

(Although I didnt like the way he asked to be provided with a bike, helmet and camera, it sounded more like a demand than a request and he could have sorted that himself)

micar · 13-11-2019 3:13pm

hollypink wrote: »

After the piece on Pat Kenny about cyclists on Monday, a senator tweeted about seeing cyclists breaking the lights. He was challenged to accompany a cyclist on a cycle around Dublin city centre to see it from a cyclist's perspective, and to his credit (he is in his sixties and doesnt own a bike so it must be a long time since he cycled), he agreed. I hope it happens and maybe changes the way he views cyclists.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1194337092081508352

(Although I didnt like the way he asked to be provided with a bike, helmet and camera, it sounded more like a demand than a request and he could have sorted that himself)

It was me who tweeted him.