Woman Loses Job for Holding Gender Critical Opinions.

05-05-2019 1:17pm

Deleted User wrote:

Question everything, but be prepared for the consequences. Just don't be a whingebag, "waah, I wanna say whatever I want and have no repurcussions".

"I feel like I was born a woman"
"Oh really. That's unfortunate. You weren't"
"Waaaah. Treat me as if I was or you are a bigot"

Gimme A Pound · 05-05-2019 1:22pm

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

How many genders, Winston?'

'Two! Stop it, stop it! How can you go on? Two! Two!'

'How many genders, Winston?'

'Three! Three! Three!'

'No, Winston, that is no use. You are lying. You still think there are two. How many genders, please?'

'Three! Three! Three! Anything you like. Only stop it, stop the pain!'

There was a time not long ago I thought comparing this world to 1984 was hysteria (I still do mostly - North Korea is much more comparable) but Orwell was talking about a lot of things - and one of those was distortion of reality and language. You're spot-on.

Gimme A Pound · 05-05-2019 1:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Question everything, but be prepared for the consequences.
Just don't be a whingebag, "waah, I wanna say whatever I want and have no repurcussions".

The world does not and never has worked like that.

Terminating this woman's employment is disgraceful. Anyone who isn't a slave to being seen to occupy a particular political position at all times will acknowledge that.

Zorya · 05-05-2019 1:27pm

Breanna Slimy Variable wrote: »

Terminating this woman's employment is disgraceful. Anyone who isn't a slave to being seen to occupy a particular political position at all times will acknowledge that.

That's just it, Gimme.

I'm in big trouble. :pac: I'm on the lookout for the black helicopters.

ogsjw · 05-05-2019 1:28pm

I wonder if firing someone could be considered an expression of free speech.

05-05-2019 1:29pm

I just never get why non trans people get so up in arms about it anyway.

It's literally none of your business. If Bob wants to be called Shirley and be referred to as her, why is that so hard to get? What difference would it make to your life? You've learned many things, how to walk, a language, drive etc. Far harder things than remembering Bob is now Shirley and would prefer you to call her, "her".

YFlyer · 05-05-2019 1:33pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It’s starting to look like women are the losers in this. They are further down the hierarchy of victimhood than they once were.

Becoming a more equal society?

strandroad · 05-05-2019 1:37pm

STB. wrote: »

That you misreported what she said.

That you have your own agenda.

I have said it several times at this stage.

Perhaps you genuinely have a problem understanding words. However, that's no excuse, so drop the victim complex.

I even provided links; again feel free to disagree with my reading, that's the point of us being here after all, but there is no need to give me any warnings or to insult my intelligence. Block me if my agenda (?) is unbearable.

YFlyer · 05-05-2019 1:37pm

Zorya wrote: »

I sincerely doubt any woman who is a lesbian is going to have sex with a person with a penis just because said penis haver has said they are a woman[/url]

Well those that claim to not be socially intimidated.

ogsjw · 05-05-2019 1:38pm

YFlyer wrote: »

equal society

Excuse me but hate speech like this is not welcome on boards. What a truly disgusting thing to say!

Keep it to transphobia, homophobia, islamophobia, sexism or racism please!

StinkyMunkey · 05-05-2019 1:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I just never get why non trans people get so up in arms about it anyway.

It's literally none of your business. If Bob wants to be called Shirley and be referred to as her, why is that so hard to get? What difference would it make to your life? You've learned many things, how to walk, a language, drive etc. Far harder things than remembering Bob is now Shirley and would prefer you to call her, "her".

Yes and no, I don't know any trans people and their choices have 0% impact on my life. But some people do and the trans persons choices can have a practical impact on their lives. Such as working with a trans person, which loo do they use. For a limited number of practical reasons, compromises on both side have to be made.

At the end of the day, I'll personally accommodate anyone, but only within reason.

I think everyone has a right to be who they want to be, but the world should never be forced to bend just for an individuals choice.

Gimme A Pound · 05-05-2019 1:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I just never get why non trans people get so up in arms about it anyway.

It's literally none of your business. If Bob wants to be called Shirley and be referred to as her, why is that so hard to get? What difference would it make to your life? You've learned many things, how to walk, a language, drive etc. Far harder things than remembering Bob is now Shirley and would prefer you to call her, "her".

You and Joey appear not to have read the article - just see questions about how "female" is defined, and think "must be anti trans bigots - next". Being that way will get boring - I find my mind more enriched by considering various outlooks. Not hatred of course - that's not something I'd bother engaging with, but there is a spectrum of opinions. It's not simply a case that people whose opinions differ to yours are wrong and that's the end of it.

This woman didn't say anything about having an issue with Bob becoming Shirley and she. I would fully get behind Bob becoming Shirley and she. I'd hope Shirley would be similarly considerate if people who knew her as Bob/he for years accidentally said Bob/he and did not mean any hurt, just made a mistake.

This woman is talking about the wider ramifications of deeming gender and sex to be the same thing, of pretending biology is wrong, and of the readiness to consider someone female because they just say they "feel" female.

She is concerned about this redefining of language and reality and there isn't a thing wrong with that.

YFlyer · 05-05-2019 1:51pm

Candamir wrote: »

Go and have a look at some of the lesbian bashing on twitter. Apparently lesbians need to learn to like dick, and if they don’t, they’re transphobes.

I’m no expert, but I always thought the reason they were lesbian was because they don’t like dick. Totally confused now. That must make me a TERF too.

I'm no expert either., I thought they were lesbian due to what they prefer and is comfortable with.

YFlyer · 05-05-2019 1:55pm

Squatter wrote: »

Kindly define "women" for me.

I'd hate to post an opinion that might get me into trouble with Terry the Budgie.

I should have said 'do people have a mind of their own?'

05-05-2019 1:59pm

Deleted User wrote:

It's literally none of your business. If Bob wants to be called Shirley and be referred to as her, why is that so hard to get? What difference would it make to your life? You've learned many things, how to walk, a language, drive etc. Far harder things than remembering Bob is now Shirley and would prefer you to call her, "her".

It is none of my business. So Bob should stop imposing his preference onto me.

If he wants to treted be a woman then sure, I more than likely will be accommodating. But the idea that I could be fired for not complying to Bob's world view, then it becomes my business.

YFlyer · 05-05-2019 2:00pm

Augme wrote: »

Ive never seen or heard of a situation where a lesbian has had to have sex with someone who has a penis because "society" told her to.

Me neither. And I hope nobody is forced to have sex against their will.

Candamir · 05-05-2019 2:06pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Me neither. And I hope nobody is forced to have sex against their will.

Same question to you so:

Candamir wrote: »

So it’s ok so long as nobody is actually forced to have sex against their will.

Do you think the bullying that these lesbians get is ok?
Would it be ok if it were young heterosexual women who were being bullied on twitter for not ‘putting out’ ?

suicide_circus · 05-05-2019 2:11pm

it comes back to the nature of "truth"

back in the bad old days, people who said that the evidence from the observable physical world was at odds with notion of a god were dealt with harshly.

nowadays saying that the evidence from the observable physical world is at odds with someone's gender identity is also frowned upon.

there will always be sacred cows and heresy. make no mistake - thats what this stuff is about.

YFlyer · 05-05-2019 2:11pm

Candamir wrote: »

Same question to you so:

Just say no.

How Soon Is Now · 05-05-2019 2:14pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I just never get why non trans people get so up in arms about it anyway.

It's literally none of your business. If Bob wants to be called Shirley and be referred to as her, why is that so hard to get? What difference would it make to your life? You've learned many things, how to walk, a language, drive etc. Far harder things than remembering Bob is now Shirley and would prefer you to call her, "her".

It's none of our business grand. Remember that boys and girls if the day ever comes and the country is asked to vote on any trans related issues.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-05-2019 2:16pm

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

It's none of our business grand. Remember that boys and girls if the day ever comes and the country is asked to vote on any trans related issues.

Are there any in the constitution?

05-05-2019 2:17pm

How Soon Is Now wrote:

It's none of our business grand. Remember that boys and girls if the day ever comes and the country is asked to vote on any trans related issues.

It's none of your business unless you comply.

How Soon Is Now · 05-05-2019 2:17pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Are there any in the constitution?

Who knows what the future holds.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-05-2019 2:19pm

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Who knows what the future holds.

Doesn't answer the question.

How, exactly, is it your business? Or the State's business to such an extent that a referendum would be needed??

Annasopra · 05-05-2019 2:21pm

Danzy wrote: »

A blog that is not known outside of South Dublin cafes is hardly representative of Irish women.

Maybe of a slice of Middle and Upper Class Irish women and even a few working class ones but it is a niche site.

The 1200 women who signed that open letter are representative though. In expressing the views in that letter they represent themselves, they represent their friends, colleagues, peers and the organisations they work for and volunteer for who share their views.

Compared to the UK Ireland has relatively little trans exclusionary radical feminists. The reality is a large amount of Irish cis women reject trans exclusionary radical feminist ideology.

How Soon Is Now · 05-05-2019 2:25pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Doesn't answer the question.

How, exactly, is it your business? Or the State's business to such an extent that a referendum would be needed??

You could say the same for any referendums when they only affect certain people in the overall population. Yet when these come up the group is asking for everyone's help.

05-05-2019 2:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

How many genders are there?

Straight off I can think of four; XX and XY biological females and males, then you have XXY females (Turner's Syndrome I think) and XX males, these people are not intersex but have genders that not typical perhaps.

I don't know anything about intersex people but the different combinations of X and Y chromosomes cast a different light on this idea of two clearly defined genders alone.

conorhal · 05-05-2019 2:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Question everything, but be prepared for the consequences.
Just don't be a whingebag, "waah, I wanna say whatever I want and have no repurcussions".

The world does not and never has worked like that.

And what do you think should be the proportionate consequence?

Should she just suffer an inability to earn a living for her opinion or should she be sent somewhere for re-education perhaps? (that's been a traditional consequence of 'wrong think' in autocratic societies.)
Should she also be refused access to housing, public transport and social services as you might well be under something like China's social credit system?

You're a gulag fan.

All the left appear to have learned from the McCarthy era is how to most effectively silence dissent.

ogsjw · 05-05-2019 2:29pm

The more I think about it, I think it could definitely be argued that firing someone is an expression of free speech in this particular case. They're making their company's mission statement and expectations of setting a particular workplace environment very clear.

conorhal · 05-05-2019 2:33pm

ogsjw wrote: »

The more I think about it, I think it could definitely be argued that firing someone is an expression of free speech in this particular case. They're making their company's mission statement and expectations of setting a particular workplace environment very clear.

You could say the same about a workplace that fires you for writing an article about the importance of unions too.

jaxxx · 05-05-2019 2:33pm

Most intelligent form of life on Earth my h*le.... Asteroid? Ice age? Aliens? Robots? SOMETHING? Please? Literally anything would be better.....

05-05-2019 2:34pm

ogsjw wrote:

The more I think about it, I think it could definitely be argued that firing someone is an expression of free speech in this particular case. They're making their company's mission statement and expectations of setting a particular workplace environment very clear.

I suppose you would be as accepting if someone fired a trans person if their expectations of the work place that a man is a man and a woman is a woman?

Expression of free speech for both ways

05-05-2019 2:35pm

jaxxx wrote:

Most intelligent form of life on Earth my h*le.... Asteroid? Ice age? Aliens? Robots? SOMETHING? Please? Literally anything would be better.....

I identify as an alien.

jaxxx · 05-05-2019 2:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I identify as an alien.

You and me both.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-05-2019 2:42pm

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

You could say the same for any referendums when they only affect certain people in the overall population. Yet when these come up the group is asking for everyone's help.

For the second time, this avoids the question completely. It's nothing to do with you or the State and the fact that you can't think of a single incident in which it would proves my point.

What - exactly - are you worried about? And if you're NOT worried, why do you care?

Candamir · 05-05-2019 2:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Straight off I can think of four; XX and XY biological females and males, then you have XXY females (Turner's Syndrome I think) and XX males, these people are not intersex but have genders that not typical perhaps.

I don't know anything about intersex people but the different combinations of X and Y chromosomes cast a different light on this idea of two clearly defined genders alone.

XXY is Kleinfelters and are male. X, or XO is turners and is female.
Both are considered intersex conditions.

conorhal · 05-05-2019 2:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Straight off I can think of four; XX and XY biological females and males, then you have XXY females (Turner's Syndrome I think) and XX males, these people are not intersex but have genders that not typical perhaps.

I don't know anything about intersex people but the different combinations of X and Y chromosomes cast a different light on this idea of two clearly defined genders alone.

A genetic disorder really doesn't 'redefine the binary nature of gender' any more then being trisomy 21 (suffering from Down's syndrome as a consequence of having an extra chromosome 21) calls into question whether or not you're classed as human or not.

Zorya · 05-05-2019 2:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I just never get why non trans people get so up in arms about it anyway.

It's literally none of your business. If Bob wants to be called Shirley and be referred to as her, why is that so hard to get? What difference would it make to your life? You've learned many things, how to walk, a language, drive etc. Far harder things than remembering Bob is now Shirley and would prefer you to call her, "her".

This is not what is at issue.

Your argument falls under Straw Man fallacy by making the problem seem to be about something else - trivial - that is not at all the problem.

It falls under the False Dichotomy argument by over-simplifying the issues, making out there are only a limited number of things at stake or a limited number of ways of looking at those issues.

It falls under the Red Herring fallacy because it diverts the argument to things that are not the issue.

It even falls under the Appeal to Pity fallacy by making out that people are either stupid or monstrous if they question this gender ideology in any way.

Mr Parrot and to a lesser extent yourself also use the Bandwagon Fallacy as if all the other fallacies are not enough.

The issue is not about Bob being called Shirley. You know this.

Annasopra · 05-05-2019 2:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I suppose you would be as accepting if someone fired a trans person if their expectations of the work place that a man is a man and a woman is a woman?

Expression of free speech for both ways

That would be discrimination and it is enshrined in law.

Candamir · 05-05-2019 2:50pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

For the second time, this avoids the question completely. It's nothing to do with you or the State and the fact that you can't think of a single incident in which it would proves my point.

What - exactly - are you worried about? And if you're NOT worried, why do you care?

Of course it’s everybody's business. Here a 16year old cis gender high school athlete who is certainly affected by it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsejTFZQ7k

Candamir · 05-05-2019 2:54pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Just say no.

So no opinion on lesbians being bullied and called TERFs and transphobes, based solely on their sexual orientation and preferences, by some in the transgender community? Nobody seems to want to condemn that as bullying.

Annasopra · 05-05-2019 2:54pm

Zorya wrote: »

Mr Parrot and to a lesser extent yourself also use the Bandwagon Fallacy as if all the other fallacies are not enough.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

All the anti LGBT bandwagonning going on around here lately and you come out with this.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Zorya · 05-05-2019 2:54pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

That would be discrimination and it is enshrined in law.

Hopefully Ms Forstater will also get the ruling that it is discrimination and against the Equality Act of 2010 to be fired for having scientific opinions about the material reality of people's biological sex.

Annasopra · 05-05-2019 2:57pm

Zorya wrote: »

Hopefully Ms Forstater will also get the ruling that it is discrimination and against the Equality Act of 2010 to be fired for having scientific opinions about the material reality of people's biological sex.

How is it discrimination?

KikiLaRue · 05-05-2019 2:59pm

No company should be obliged to continue employing someone they feel represents them publicly in a negative light.

05-05-2019 3:01pm

conorhal wrote: »

A genetic disorder really doesn't 'redefine the binary nature of gender' any more then being trisomy 21 (suffering from Down's syndrome as a consequence of having an extra chromosome 21) calls into question whether or not you're classed as human or not.

So.... Intersex people are what? An inconvenience?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-05-2019 3:02pm

Candamir wrote: »

Of course it’s everybody's business. Here a 16year old cis gender high school athlete who is certainly affected by it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsejTFZQ7k

That's "everybody's business"? To the extent that the poster was worried about a referendum being called?

Zorya · 05-05-2019 3:02pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

How is it discrimination?

It is discrimination against someone's right to have a political opinion that is backed by science regarding the ''material reality'' of sex.

KikiLaRue · 05-05-2019 3:06pm

Zorya wrote: »

It is discrimination against someone's right to have a political opinion that is backed by science regarding the ''material reality'' of sex.

That's not a right companies are required to uphold; companies are obligated to protect their reputation.

Augme · 05-05-2019 3:07pm

Zorya wrote: »

It is discrimination against someone's right to have a political opinion that is backed by science regarding the ''material reality'' of sex.

Since when has policital opinion been covered under the equality act?

Woman Loses Job for Holding Gender Critical Opinions.

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