Running issues specific to women

Bluesquare · 15-07-2019 8:27am

Morning All,

Just back from holidays and trying to start eating well to help with the long miles that are going to start racking up .

Trying to get my head around ‘Roar’ and start stocking up the cupboards .

I have been using zero for years -not whilst running but before and after . Even to assist with hangovers ! The book seems to advise against ? Anyone try the hydration suggested by her? How much water do you drink a day . I find it difficult to to drink water - I drink loads of tea lol. I normally just drink when I’m thirsty which may not be enough . My pee is normally a grand color - when it’s not green from zero.

With regard to protein consumption does anyone use protein powder and if so which ones . How do you use it other than drinks . I’m loathe to add shakes to my diet other than for recovery - I don’t want to load extra calories and I don’t want to replace some nice food for a drink . I like food.

Any body got done good protein ball recipes for on the run ? I like the idea of fueling with yummy stuff - salty jam sandwiches don’t sound so appealing . The food / gel intake suggested anywhere always seems a bit high . Some friends live taking frozen mini mars bars with them on the run . No the healthiest I know but they swear it’s effective . I’ll be starting long runs where I’ll need fuel soon and want to get it right .

What do you use for recovery ?

I did read somewhere that Stacey Sims was lance Armstrong’s nutritionist - so that’s a worry !

Thanks in advance for advice !

juke · 15-07-2019 9:45am

Bluesquare wrote: »

With regard to protein consumption does anyone use protein powder and if so which ones . How do you use it other than drinks . I’m loathe to add shakes to my diet other than for recovery - I don’t want to load extra calories and I don’t want to replace some nice food for a drink . I like food.

So - I'm not really a runner, I lift heavy stuff. I also eat a lot of meat - because I like it. Still though, I would struggle to take in the 'recommended' amount of daily protein needed for muscle recovery.

I don't like shakes either. When I take protein, it's usually at breakfast, a scoop in my porridge or mixed into O% fat Greek yogurt which I have with berries & chia seed. I use unflavoured.

I also take BCAA's in my drink while/after training, and add some electrolytes if I'm going for a long run.

I pick them up from myprotein.ie who nearly always have discounts

https://www.myprotein.ie/sports-nutrition/impact-whey-protein/10530943.html

https://www.myprotein.ie/sports-nutrition/essential-bcaa-2-1-1/10529280.html - beware - some can be sickly sweet

Bluesquare wrote: »

Any body got done good protein ball recipes for on the run ? I like the idea of fueling with yummy stuff - salty jam sandwiches don’t sound so appealing . The food / gel intake suggested anywhere always seems a bit high . Some friends live taking frozen mini mars bars with them on the run . No the healthiest I know but they swear it’s effective . I’ll be starting long runs where I’ll need fuel soon and want to get it right .

I've lately discovered I'm allergic to nuts (haven't refined it more than that yet). I already have a gluten intolerance. I'm also searching for a new protein snack recipe, as mine have been heavily nut based.

I did bring dried figs on some long runs last year, they are pretty energy dense.

Applegirl26 · 15-07-2019 11:19am

annapr wrote: »

Maybe ask someone in the gym to do a starter program for you and show you how everything works... that's what I did and started off on pathetically low weights (now slightly less pathetically low)... but it's amazing how fast your muscles adapt and it really does help, especially at the end of long runs.

I've been checking out the personal trainers at my gym and I'm just trying to decide who best to approach to help me with my training.

eyrie · 15-07-2019 12:10pm

Bluesquare wrote: »

I like the idea of fueling with yummy stuff - salty jam sandwiches don’t sound so appealing . The food / gel intake suggested anywhere always seems a bit high . Some friends live taking frozen mini mars bars with them on the run . No the healthiest I know but they swear it’s effective . I’ll be starting long runs where I’ll need fuel soon and want to get it right .

I like dates stuffed with a little bit of nut butter, tasty and you get both carbs and a bit of salt (if you use salted peanut butter) so it covers the bases she's talking about I think. Plus, tasty! I can't remember exactly but I think about 3 dates is equivalent to a gel.

Seesee · 15-07-2019 1:53pm

eyrie wrote: »

I like dates stuffed with a little bit of nut butter, tasty and you get both carbs and a bit of salt (if you use salted peanut butter) so it covers the bases she's talking about I think. Plus, tasty! I can't remember exactly but I think about 3 dates is equivalent to a gel.

I love that. And I never considered it but you could freeze them then bring with you.

The Black Oil · 15-07-2019 7:06pm

Discovered tangentially today.

Physios develop first guidelines on postnatal running

Returning to running postnatal – guideline for medical, health and fitness professionals managing this population

Bluesquare · 15-07-2019 8:20pm

eyrie wrote: »

I like dates stuffed with a little bit of nut butter, tasty and you get both carbs and a bit of salt (if you use salted peanut butter) so it covers the bases she's talking about I think. Plus, tasty! I can't remember exactly but I think about 3 dates is equivalent to a gel.

Sounds yum ! Where do you get the dates? . The ones in marks are awesome - I’ll have to try and get there ! Beginning to sound like a picnic rather than a long run !

Bluesquare · 15-07-2019 8:24pm

juke wrote: »

So - I'm not really a runner, I lift heavy stuff. I also eat a lot of meat - because I like it. Still though, I would struggle to take in the 'recommended' amount of daily protein needed for muscle recovery.

I don't like shakes either. When I take protein, it's usually at breakfast, a scoop in my porridge or mixed into O% fat Greek yogurt which I have with berries & chia seed. I use unflavoured.

I also take BCAA's in my drink while/after training, and add some electrolytes if I'm going for a long run.

I pick them up from myprotein.ie who nearly always have discounts

https://www.myprotein.ie/sports-nutrition/impact-whey-protein/10530943.html

https://www.myprotein.ie/sports-nutrition/essential-bcaa-2-1-1/10529280.html - beware - some can be sickly sweet

I've lately discovered I'm allergic to nuts (haven't refined it more than that yet). I already have a gluten intolerance. I'm also searching for a new protein snack recipe, as mine have been heavily nut based.

I did bring dried figs on some long runs last year, they are pretty energy dense.

How did you discover your nut allergy? hope it’s not too bad . I stocked myself up with Greek yogurt and chia seeds and found a random kinetica whey protein in dunnes when I was there - thought I’d try it for starters ! Thanks for your help

juke · 15-07-2019 9:06pm

Bluesquare wrote: »

How did you discover your nut allergy? hope it’s not too bad . I stocked myself up with Greek yogurt and chia seeds and found a random kinetica whey protein in dunnes when I was there - thought I’d try it for starters ! Thanks for your help

Trial and error.

I developed a really ichy red rash around my eye last last November, I assumed it was from makeup/remover or creams. It got worse, spread down around my nose. Dr. told me it was Perioral Dermititus, gave me anti-biotics & steroid cream. Told me it was probably food related.

It got worser

. Dr. referred me to a dermatologist. Finally in May, while waiting for an appointment, and after much googling, I started an 'elimination diet' - basically cutting out all fun from my diet (seriously, google it

), until I noticed an improvement.

I introduced different foods gradually - but I quickly decided it was dairy or nuts. I think it being nuts is the lesser of 2 evils, but I'm pretty devastated. Nutella was my holiday breakfast treat and peanut butter & banana on toast my staple breakfast for long runs last year, I used coconut oil for cooking and nut flours in place of wheat flour.

The rash has almost cleared up, but can flare up within a few hours of eating something stray, I have to be careful with labels. A lot of chocolate bars say 'may contain nuts'. I'll have to refine it down to different types of nut at some point - but I'm happy I've saved on the dermatologist's fee

My gluten intolerance is not digestive - it manifests as an lumpy rash around my ankles. I risk it for the odd pizza. A lumpy face isn't worth nutella :pac:

juke · 15-07-2019 9:13pm

Bluesquare wrote: »

How did you discover your nut allergy? hope it’s not too bad . I stocked myself up with Greek yogurt and chia seeds and found a random kinetica whey protein in dunnes when I was there - thought I’d try it for starters ! Thanks for your help

Best of luck - hope you enjoy. I add a scoop (25g) to c. 100g yogurt, but really, it comes down to taste.

rainbow kirby · 15-07-2019 10:25pm

The Black Oil wrote: »

Discovered tangentially today.

Physios develop first guidelines on postnatal running

Returning to running postnatal – guideline for medical, health and fitness professionals managing this population

I can honestly say I would have gone nuts if I'd waited 3-6 months after having my boys to start running again! I only took 10 weeks off running in total with my second baby - started again when he was 6 weeks old and run-walked a parkrun in 39 mins at 7.5 weeks. I started back 5 weeks after having my first as well.

Seesee · 15-07-2019 11:09pm

Got mejool dates in supervalu but haven't tried them yet. The ones in Marks are gorgeous. Deglet dates can be found in lots of supermarkets and are also nice but not as nice - but cheaper.

Seesee · 15-07-2019 11:12pm

Regarding all this talk of food on runs, I presume you're being marathon specific as I never eat, am training for HM so longest runs so far 16/17k. I might stop for some water at 10 but that's it.

Dial Hard · 16-07-2019 12:52am

Seesee wrote:

Regarding all this talk of food on runs, I presume you're being marathon specific as I never eat, am training for HM so longest runs so far 16/17k. I might stop for some water at 10 but that's it.

I just asked my marathon-running sister in law what she eats on a run and she looked at me like I'd ten heads!

Seesee · 16-07-2019 9:28am

Dial Hard wrote: »

I just asked my marathon-running sister in law what she eats on a run and she looked at me like I'd ten heads!

I believe after about 2 hours or so it can be beneficial to intake carbs as the glycogen stores in your muscles would be used up. But less than that I think should be ok. But of course everyone is different.

eyrie · 16-07-2019 9:49am

Bluesquare wrote: »

Sounds yum ! Where do you get the dates? . The ones in marks are awesome - I’ll have to try and get there ! Beginning to sound like a picnic rather than a long run !

Honestly for this purpose I just buy the bags of dates in lidl, they're still tasty when combined with the PB and I'm not exactly taking the time to savour a fancy date when I'm mid run! However as an aside, dates stuffed with nut butter and then coated with dark chocolate are a delicious non-running food too, so it might be worth going for the fancy kind for those

eyrie · 16-07-2019 9:55am

Seesee wrote: »

Regarding all this talk of food on runs, I presume you're being marathon specific as I never eat, am training for HM so longest runs so far 16/17k. I might stop for some water at 10 but that's it.

Same, no fuel in training runs apart from during marathon training long runs.

Actually I'm curious - I never drink anything either, anyone else? Mostly out of laziness as I don't want to have to carry water. Again, if I was doing a 3 hour long run I would, but for normal runs, like 2 hours or less, I don't. But I haven't read enough about the hydration issues for women yet to know if I should be drinking more

Then again it hasn't done any harm so far!

ReeReeG · 16-07-2019 10:06am

eyrie wrote: »

Actually I'm curious - I never drink anything either, anyone else? Mostly out of laziness as I don't want to have to carry water. Again, if I was doing a 3 hour long run I would, but for normal runs, like 2 hours or less, I don't. But I haven't read enough about the hydration issues for women yet to know if I should be drinking more Then again it hasn't done any harm so far!

I don't bring water on any runs either, but lately on the hot days if I'm near a tap in a park I'll happily stop for a gulp! It is different doing 2 hours in winter vs summer obviously, but I'd usually just pop a zero tab in water when I get home to help rehydrate... not sure either if this is problematic!

ariana` · 16-07-2019 11:14am

eyrie wrote: »

Same, no fuel in training runs apart from during marathon training long runs.

Actually I'm curious - I never drink anything either, anyone else? Mostly out of laziness as I don't want to have to carry water. Again, if I was doing a 3 hour long run I would, but for normal runs, like 2 hours or less, I don't. But I haven't read enough about the hydration issues for women yet to know if I should be drinking more Then again it hasn't done any harm so far!

I don't eat or drink on runs either but i haven't gone over 2 hrs in a long long time, this year possibly :rolleyes: I don't typically eat before my long runs either if they are first thing in the morning which they usually are but again they are less than 2 hrs.

RacoonQueen · 16-07-2019 5:16pm

Dial Hard wrote: »

I just asked my marathon-running sister in law what she eats on a run and she looked at me like I'd ten heads!

Would never eat on runs for marathon training myself. Gels don't agree with me so I survive marathons on water and sports drink...I was much younger than I am now last time I did a marathon though.

rainbow kirby · 16-07-2019 6:20pm

Really individual thing. I use the SIS isotonic gels on marathon training long runs, favour the electrolyte ones, avoid the caffeinated ones because of the digestive effects! After 20 miles in a marathon anything goes though.

eyrie · 17-07-2019 9:42am

ReeReeG wrote: »

I don't bring water on any runs either, but lately on the hot days if I'm near a tap in a park I'll happily stop for a gulp! It is different doing 2 hours in winter vs summer obviously, but I'd usually just pop a zero tab in water when I get home to help rehydrate... not sure either if this is problematic!

Parks with taps you say?? I must be running in the wrong places.

ariana` wrote: »

I don't eat or drink on runs either but i haven't gone over 2 hrs in a long long time, this year possibly :rolleyes: I don't typically eat before my long runs either if they are first thing in the morning which they usually are but again they are less than 2 hrs.

Oh no I haven't gone longer than that either! I definitely have coffee before a regular long run though, and generally a slice of toast. Are you starving by the time you get home? I usually am even with having toast first!

Sunny Dayz · 17-07-2019 10:08am

eyrie wrote: »

Same, no fuel in training runs apart from during marathon training long runs.

Actually I'm curious - I never drink anything either, anyone else? Mostly out of laziness as I don't want to have to carry water. Again, if I was doing a 3 hour long run I would, but for normal runs, like 2 hours or less, I don't. But I haven't read enough about the hydration issues for women yet to know if I should be drinking more Then again it hasn't done any harm so far!

See I'm nearly the opposite. I have to bring water with me. Sometimes I think it's like a crutch, I probably don't need it. I've been on runs/races before where I haven't had water and the mouth as dry as the Sahara and just not able. I think it's like a comfort thing for me, that I have water to hand IF I need it, that I'm not depending on a water station. I'm not the best at drinking water day to day so maybe if I was better hydrated I wouldn't feel like I need to carry water on a run.

In terms of fueling, I've done distances up to half marathon. Fruit pastilles are my go-to. They are sweet, sugary, there's a bit of a chew and eating in them, they aren't sticky if you keep them in their roll, they are compact and easy to get your hands on. Other than that I've tried Ciff blocks, they are just like a jelly cube. I've never felt the need to try gels, I hear a lot about trying to find ones that agree with your stomach, about them being sticky, they sound offputting even though a running friend has told me that they are the business in a marathon.

Sunny Dayz · 17-07-2019 10:20am

Just coming back in relation to the lifespan of a sports bra....
I was looking at my "facebook memories" for today and one came up of a run I did 6 years ago - and I know I still have and use the bra I'm wearing in the photo!!
*hides my face in shame*
I'm also wearing a string top, like a cotton cami you get for €2 in Penneys - must not have heard of running tops: breathable, lightweight, moisture wicking fabric...

ariana` · 17-07-2019 10:46am

eyrie wrote: »

Oh no I haven't gone longer than that either! I definitely have coffee before a regular long run though, and generally a slice of toast. Are you starving by the time you get home? I usually am even with having toast first!

I'm hungry when i get home admittedly. If i'm running longer than 2 hrs i'll have 1/2 slice of toast. I just fear the need for the toilet. And in fairness i use it as an excuse to have a bit of a feast the evening before :P

julyjane · 18-07-2019 2:57pm

I was reading a Facebook post recently that suggested eating a jaffa cake just before a long race. Now I don't know about other people but is it really possible to only eat one jaffa cake?

DBB · 18-07-2019 10:22pm

julyjane wrote: »

I was reading a Facebook post recently that suggested eating a jaffa cake just before a long race. Now I don't know about other people but is it really possible to only eat one jaffa cake?

Maybe there was a typo, they meant to suggest eating a pack of jaffa cakes?
Maybe?

Sunny Dayz · 19-07-2019 10:24am

julyjane wrote: »

I was reading a Facebook post recently that suggested eating a jaffa cake just before a long race. Now I don't know about other people but is it really possible to only eat one jaffa cake?

Have heard something similar before. Husband is in reserve defence forces and he said they used to bring a pack with them on field nights or days out on the shooting range.
Now he said a pack so there must have been a typo in that faebook post you read, it probably should have said one pack of Jaffa cakes!

Dial Hard · 23-07-2019 1:49pm

julyjane wrote:

I was reading a Facebook post recently that suggested eating a jaffa cake just before a long race. Now I don't know about other people but is it really possible to only eat one jaffa cake?

I'd find it difficult to eat a single jaffa cake, cause they're flippin horrid!

Huzzah! · 23-07-2019 2:03pm

It's like fig roll gate all over again

ariana` · 23-07-2019 2:24pm

Dial Hard wrote: »

I'd find it difficult to eat a single jaffa cake, cause they're flippin horrid!

Sacrilege :eek: Jaffa cakes are the food of champions

DBB · 23-07-2019 2:44pm

Dial Hard wrote: »

I'd find it difficult to eat a single jaffa cake, cause they're flippin horrid!

Shocking statement.
Post reported.

Baby75 · 23-07-2019 2:45pm

Bluesquare wrote: »

Morning All,

Just back from holidays and trying to start eating well to help with the long miles that are going to start racking up .

Trying to get my head around ‘Roar’ and start stocking up the cupboards .

I have been using zero for years -not whilst running but before and after . Even to assist with hangovers ! The book seems to advise against ? Anyone try the hydration suggested by her? How much water do you drink a day . I find it difficult to to drink water - I drink loads of tea lol. I normally just drink when I’m thirsty which may not be enough . My pee is normally a grand color - when it’s not green from zero.

With regard to protein consumption does anyone use protein powder and if so which ones . How do you use it other than drinks . I’m loathe to add shakes to my diet other than for recovery - I don’t want to load extra calories and I don’t want to replace some nice food for a drink . I like food.

Any body got done good protein ball recipes for on the run ? I like the idea of fueling with yummy stuff - salty jam sandwiches don’t sound so appealing . The food / gel intake suggested anywhere always seems a bit high . Some friends live taking frozen mini mars bars with them on the run . No the healthiest I know but they swear it’s effective . I’ll be starting long runs where I’ll need fuel soon and want to get it right .

What do you use for recovery ?

I did read somewhere that Stacey Sims was lance Armstrong’s nutritionist - so that’s a worry !

Thanks in advance for advice !

I am still trying to get my head around it as well LOL I dont think she is against zero tabs as they are very similar to the Nuun unless it is because they have no carbs in them may be! I fins Zero tabs great, but I prefer Tailwind for fueling/hydration for racing or long runs.
I am going to try eating more while moving and getting used to that
As for getting in enough water I like fizzy water and sugar free lemon cordial or I put some fresh lemon in my water I was in a great habit but I am really slacking the last week.

I have not tried Protien powder yet myself but I did do a course 3 years back on sports nutrition and you can add it to meals or homemade bars and it does not have to send you over your calorie limit for the day.
here a recipe for

''Laura peanut butter bars''
183 per bar

Ingredients
110 g porridge 129g peanut butter 85g honey 30g chocolate chips 2 scoops vanilla protein powder

Laura Peanut Butter Protein Bars (10 serving)

Preparation
1. Line an 8-inch square pan with a piece of parchment paper 2. Mix the porridge, add the peanut butter & honey together in a large bowl and add to wet mix 3. Stir well to combine. Add the protein and mix again. 4. If the mixture is a bit dry, add a splash of water and mix again. 5. Press into pan and pop into the freezer. 6. After freezing the bars for about 5-10 minutes, remove from freezer and slice into bars.
Store in the freezer for a week or longer in an air-tight freezer bag or container

Dial Hard · 23-07-2019 3:28pm

Holy crap it's hot out there. Went out for dinner last night and left my car at the restaurant. Was going to run down for it, about 6k. Got about 500m down the road, decided I didn't want to die today and just walked it. Currently sitting in the beer garden of the attached pub with my dog and a Bulmer's Light while I wait for the car to cool down

I'm just back from Mexico where the aforementioned marathon running sis in law went for a 5k run most mornings. Absolutely no idea how did she did it.

Bluesquare · 29-07-2019 5:06pm

Baby75 wrote: »

I am still trying to get my head around it as well LOL I dont think she is against zero tabs as they are very similar to the Nuun unless it is because they have no carbs in them may be! I fins Zero tabs great, but I prefer Tailwind for fueling/hydration for racing or long runs.
I am going to try eating more while moving and getting used to that
As for getting in enough water I like fizzy water and sugar free lemon cordial or I put some fresh lemon in my water I was in a great habit but I am really slacking the last week.

I have not tried Protien powder yet myself but I did do a course 3 years back on sports nutrition and you can add it to meals or homemade bars and it does not have to send you over your calorie limit for the day.
here a recipe for

''Laura peanut butter bars''
183 per bar

Ingredients
110 g porridge 129g peanut butter 85g honey 30g chocolate chips 2 scoops vanilla protein powder

Laura Peanut Butter Protein Bars (10 serving)

Preparation
1. Line an 8-inch square pan with a piece of parchment paper 2. Mix the porridge, add the peanut butter & honey together in a large bowl and add to wet mix 3. Stir well to combine. Add the protein and mix again. 4. If the mixture is a bit dry, add a splash of water and mix again. 5. Press into pan and pop into the freezer. 6. After freezing the bars for about 5-10 minutes, remove from freezer and slice into bars.
Store in the freezer for a week or longer in an air-tight freezer bag or container

Only seeing this now - dunno why it didn’t pop up in my in box (before I started the other thread ). Have heard great things on tail wind - just bought a sachet to try . Running is costing me a fortune. Thanks for the recipe. I have found yogurts with 90 calories and 16g of protein . This is great for me as I eat a lot of yogurt anyway - it’s called Kvarg and bought in dunnes .

Bluesquare · 29-07-2019 5:12pm

Dial Hard wrote: »

I'd find it difficult to eat a single jaffa cake, cause they're flippin horrid!

Down with Jaffa Cakes!

eabha19 · 30-07-2019 6:20pm

Hi all, just found this thread - it's a great one. I've been wearing M&S sports bras, with zips on the front and now that I'm doing long runs my sternum is literally cut to pieces from the zips. So fricking sore! Do the shock absorber bras have zips and if so has anyone experienced chafing with them? It's sore for me now even on shorter runs as the area is so sore. I've also had the shorts chafing and the underarm chafing so I'm definitely buying some bodyglide this week. RE the under arm chafing, it only chafes if I wear a sleeveless running top - last week I wore a running tee instead and it was fine (the shorts and the bra got me but!). I also have pelvic floor issues that only seem to affect me running and at that only evening running if my body is tired. Long runs are pee free because they're early morning runs but this cannot be said for my Sunday recovery run! I'm scheduled for surgery post DCM in November but have been to physio for last few months and am thinking of cancelling surgery and just keeping up my exercises instead. And the leakage definitely happens more frequently when I have my period too. I have EVB three quarter lengths - I soaked them two nights ago so that'll tell you how they are working out for me!! (and they cost me 80 quid).
thanks for all the info!

Kellygirl · 30-07-2019 8:35pm

eabha19 wrote: »

Hi all, just found this thread - it's a great one. I've been wearing M&S sports bras, with zips on the front and now that I'm doing long runs my sternum is literally cut to pieces from the zips. So fricking sore! Do the shock absorber bras have zips and if so has anyone experienced chafing with them? It's sore for me now even on shorter runs as the area is so sore. I've also had the shorts chafing and the underarm chafing so I'm definitely buying some bodyglide this week. RE the under arm chafing, it only chafes if I wear a sleeveless running top - last week I wore a running tee instead and it was fine (the shorts and the bra got me but!). I also have pelvic floor issues that only seem to affect me running and at that only evening running if my body is tired. Long runs are pee free because they're early morning runs but this cannot be said for my Sunday recovery run! I'm scheduled for surgery post DCM in November but have been to physio for last few months and am thinking of cancelling surgery and just keeping up my exercises instead. And the leakage definitely happens more frequently when I have my period too. I have EVB three quarter lengths - I soaked them two nights ago so that'll tell you how they are working out for me!! (and they cost me 80 quid).
thanks for all the info!

The Shock Absorbers don’t have zips and are brilliant. The odd time I’ve chaffed at the back under the buckle but I just use Bodyglide on very long runs now just in case. I chaff under my right arm (rarely my left for some reason) and some shorts too but Bodyglide always works so get loads and you’ll be grand.

I wouldn’t cancel the surgery just yet - why don’t you keep doing your exercises and see how it’s going? The EVB shorts are great so maybe you will still need the surgery even with the exercises?

eabha19 · 30-07-2019 11:01pm

Kellygirl wrote: »

The Shock Absorbers don’t have zips and are brilliant. The odd time I’ve chaffed at the back under the buckle but I just use Bodyglide on very long runs now just in case. I chaff under my right arm (rarely my left for some reason) and some shorts too but Bodyglide always works so get loads and you’ll be grand.

I wouldn’t cancel the surgery just yet - why don’t you keep doing your exercises and see how it’s going? The EVB shorts are great so maybe you will still need the surgery even with the exercises?

Yeah I haven't cancelled yet but main reason I'm thinking of cancelling is that my physio says it will mean 3-6mths of no running and that results aren't guaranteed. She was of the view that if it only affects me running I might be better off holding off on surgery to see if exercise can make a difference. The exercises have made a big difference in my pelvic floor strength (according to her and tmi the hubby) but it still happens on some runs especially around my period. She also wondered if the EVBs might be too big, that they need to be really tight to work well. They're tight but not sure if they're tight enough. I tried to get bodyglide in elverys yesterday but they had none. Definitely want it before my next long run.

Kellygirl · 30-07-2019 11:10pm

eabha19 wrote: »

Yeah I haven't cancelled yet but main reason I'm thinking of cancelling is that my physio says it will mean 3-6mths of no running and that results aren't guaranteed. She was of the view that if it only affects me running I might be better off holding off on surgery to see if exercise can make a difference. The exercises have made a big difference in my pelvic floor strength (according to her and tmi the hubby) but it still happens on some runs especially around my period. She also wondered if the EVBs might be too big, that they need to be really tight to work well. They're tight but not sure if they're tight enough. I tried to get bodyglide in elverys yesterday but they had none. Definitely want it before my next long run.

Ah I get you and I’d probably be feeling the same way. Maybe contact the girls in EVB. I found their customer service amazing and they sent me two pairs of shorts to try on sizes once and I sent one pair back to them.

Hopefully you’ve get the Bodyglide soon. It’s brilliant. I use it at the back of my heels when I wear high heels now or under the straps of strappy sandles- best job ever!

Baby75 · 01-08-2019 4:59pm

eabha19 wrote: »

Yeah I haven't cancelled yet but main reason I'm thinking of cancelling is that my physio says it will mean 3-6mths of no running and that results aren't guaranteed. She was of the view that if it only affects me running I might be better off holding off on surgery to see if exercise can make a difference. The exercises have made a big difference in my pelvic floor strength (according to her and tmi the hubby) but it still happens on some runs especially around my period. She also wondered if the EVBs might be too big, that they need to be really tight to work well. They're tight but not sure if they're tight enough. I tried to get bodyglide in elverys yesterday but they had none. Definitely want it before my next long run.

I had similar issues mostly around certain times of the month when hormones relax everything when I was running. but I am much better after exercises and it has not happened in months FX it stays that way.

I just got discharged from physio on Tuesday and I have to just keep up the exercises 2 to 3 times a week now.
one thing I found helped was making sure I went toilet before going out the door & stopping and peeing if I felt the slightest urge also getting in to the habit of holding my tummy in when running ( you know like you do when walking and stand nice and tall) that helps support you in the pelvic area. that worked and stopped it happening at that paticulr time of the month.
I did not want the surgery either as it can fail and the recovery time the thoughts of not being able to run :eek: but also having small kids to look after!

I have the same problem on my lower back from my shorts they are a little big now I have lost some weight

but try a cycling shop they have anti chafing cream which I find much better https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/udderly-smooth-chamois-cream/rp-prod150708?gs=1&sku=sku549694&pgrid=55940684621&ptaid=pla-418249128676&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=PLA+All+Products&utm_medium=base&utm_content=mkwid|sJGbduvoc_dc|pcrid|294740729978|pkw||pmt||prd|549694IE&gclid=CjwKCAjwm4rqBRBUEiwAwaWjjDBon5pTb1dWon240q3Ku1t19IxsLav4z392tvmSEUFLJ4ed9_NcERoCUBcQAvD_BwE

shortstuff! · 01-08-2019 6:37pm

Great thread!

Heres one that I reckon prob only affects women, well my husband managed to train for a marathon with no kids on any of his runs anyway!

Training for Dublin half and was due to run 3 miles yesterday. Was off and husband had a match in the evening so to avoid running after 9pm, I said I’d pop 19mth old in the running buggy for his nap and almost 5yr old could cycle. Well 5yr old decided he was tired too and hoped onto when a child’s feet are meant to go. Didn’t react well to me telling him to get off (there were tears), so did 5km in 35mins with plenty of hills pushing 2kids/approx 5stone in a SINGLE buggy! Did hit some great speeds on the downhills

May not have been the safest mode of transport!

Bluesquare · 01-08-2019 7:16pm

shortstuff! wrote: »

Great thread!

Heres one that I reckon prob only affects women, well my husband managed to train for a marathon with no kids on any of his runs anyway!

Training for Dublin half and was due to run 3 miles yesterday. Was off and husband had a match in the evening so to avoid running after 9pm, I said I’d pop 19mth old in the running buggy for his nap and almost 5yr old could cycle. Well 5yr old decided he was tired too and hoped onto when a child’s feet are meant to go. Didn’t react well to me telling him to get off (there were tears), so did 5km in 35mins with plenty of hills pushing 2kids/approx 5stone in a SINGLE buggy! Did hit some great speeds on the downhills May not have been the safest mode of transport!

Sounds like a great work out to be sure!

Bluesquare · 01-08-2019 7:23pm

Right ! I went on holidays and gained a few pounds . I don’t want to have them . I don’t want to be super skinny but I need to drop 3/4 pounds to be at my comfortable weight .

The weight doesn’t fall off me when I run . I run so more doesn’t go on . I’m fairly ok at sensible dieting and can be disciplined when I need to be .

I’m trying to eat more protein at the moment so It makes me feel full. Anyways im trying to eat about 1600 calories a day - but not including any running calories .

Which is grand and only a deficit if you include the running . Enough rambling - I never thought I’d hear myself say this but what’s enough to eat without energy levels suffering .

I can live with tight pants for faster times .

juke · 01-08-2019 7:58pm

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Bluesquare wrote: »

I’m trying to eat more protein at the moment so It makes me feel full. Anyways im trying to eat about 1600 calories a day - but not including any running calories .

Which is grand and only a deficit if you include the running . Enough rambling - I never thought I’d hear myself say this but what’s enough to eat without energy levels suffering .

That's a really tough balance.

'Dieting/eating at a deficit/eating sensibly/whatever you call it'

sends off so many "I'm hungry" alarm bells' that all you can think about is food.

When I wanted to lose a few pounds for lifting competitions, I found eating non-oily fish (rather than meat) really helped. I felt like I was still eating plenty/full meals, loads of protein but it's far less calorific.

Neyite · 02-08-2019 2:12pm

If you've an android, and particularly a huawei, which C25k app do you have?

My Zenlabs one was perfect on my old phone but on my new huawei it keeps crashing if theres any other sort of notification. And I don't find out until I'm gasping and wondering where yer wan is to tell me to start walking. Recommendations please!

Dial Hard · 04-08-2019 11:54am

Neyite wrote:

My Zenlabs one was perfect on my old phone but on my new huawei it keeps crashing if theres any other sort of notification. And I don't find out until I'm gasping and wondering where yer wan is to tell me to start walking. Recommendations please!

Download Podkicker, there's loads of C25k podcasts on it. My personal favourite is Boogie Shoes cause I love the music on it. I'm about to start a 5-10k one on it too, if I can ever shake myself out of my post-holiday slump.

Seesee · 04-08-2019 2:10pm

Baby75 wrote: »

I had similar issues mostly around certain times of the month when hormones relax everything when I was running. but I am much better after exercises and it has not happened in months FX it stays that way.

I have similar problem around TOTM. I went to ob/gynae who has recommended physio for exercises but I am just a bit too busy at the moment and mine is worse in winter anyway after a bout of asthma induced coughing. However things I've found help and thought I'd share:
Reduce caffeine intake - I drink one real coffee a day now and one tea and the rest decaf tea which while not caffeine free is reduced.
Lots of fluid the day before long runs but none the morning of. I'm a morning runner and morning is my problem time.
Wear a pad just in case.
EVB shorts, I got them. First pair were just too tight and the muffin top was unreal so now I am wearing next size up and they do help a bit though it might be psychological. They were really nice in evb and didn't charge me for the second delivery.
Why does TOTM always fall for big races!!

eabha19 · 04-08-2019 7:16pm

Seesee wrote: »

Baby75 wrote: »

I had similar issues mostly around certain times of the month when hormones relax everything when I was running. but I am much better after exercises and it has not happened in months FX it stays that way.

I have similar problem around TOTM. I went to ob/gynae who has recommended physio for exercises but I am just a bit too busy at the moment and mine is worse in winter anyway after a bout of asthma induced coughing. However things I've found help and thought I'd share:
Reduce caffeine intake - I drink one real coffee a day now and one tea and the rest decaf tea which while not caffeine free is reduced.
Lots of fluid the day before long runs but none the morning of. I'm a morning runner and morning is my problem time.
Wear a pad just in case.
EVB shorts, I got them. First pair were just too tight and the muffin top was unreal so now I am wearing next size up and they do help a bit though it might be psychological. They were really nice in evb and didn't charge me for the second delivery.
Why does TOTM always fall for big races!!

I had three evenings last week (during TOTM) where I had leaking even with my EVBs. I would definitely recommend physio - I've found it great. Or if not download the squeezey app (about 2.99) - it's great for reminding you to do your kegels. I do a set of 10 x10secs plus 10 x 1 secs squeezies three times a day and it has made a big difference to prolapse issues that I had. My physio also recommended wearing a tampon when running. I only do it for evening runs as that's when I end up with leaking and I'd be nervous that it might get uncomfortable for long runs so I just do it for short ones. I forgot to do it when I had the incidences this week but that might be unrelated. I got anti-chaffing roll on for my long run yesterday - helped a lot but my sports bra still managed to cut me so will have to start looking for the shock absorber bra.

Sunny Dayz · 06-08-2019 9:56am

Just coming back about the "how often should you replace your sports bra" discussion. When I realised that I'd had my white sports bras for donkey's years, I went out and bought 2 white sports bras in Penneys. I'm a 34A so don't need strong support but they still need supporting during exercise all the same. I wore one at parkrun on Sat morn and the difference was unreal. My boobs literally did not budge. Will have to see how they wash and wear again but I think I'll have to replace a few more of my sports bras.

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