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  • 30-04-2020 9:52pm
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    connemara man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭connemara man


    Thread continued from here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057835955&page=250

    The usual rules apply. Non-rugby talk here. Consider this a social place, but like a pub, things like religion and politics can be divisive, so don't say things here you wouldn't say to someone's face in the pub. Sober ;)


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  • #2
    sydthebeat
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    The Pope is a great auld fella altogether!


  • #3
    Panda Killa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Panda Killa


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    The Pope is a great auld fella altogether!

    He's no Augustin Pichot..


  • #4
    Bazzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Think of your average Brit, currently in lockdown with their family, waiting to get back to work, doesn't pay much attention to the news, doesn't know anybody who died of Covid. They'll be back working soon, maintaining their social distancing, wearing a mask, etc., and in a few months to a year, the vaccine or herd immunity will bring everything back to normal.

    How are they going to learn of the reality of their weak government? What specific experiences will awaken this person to Boris et al's failure and incompetence in the early stages of the pandemic?

    At least Trump made it easy by telling people to drink bleach, and rage-quitting the briefings.

    The thing is, everybody in England knows people who work for the NHS, and often at least one is a close relative. The NHS is the 5th largest employer on the planet, it's huge. So they will have heard stories about how badly the country has been affected, but there's a total cognitive dissonance. Despite how closely linked the entire population is with the NHS, and despite the fact that the Tories have spent the last ten years totally trashing the NHS, they'll still happily go out and vote for them in their droves.


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    [Deleted User]
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    In the midst of a massive tragedy and hurtling towards being one of the true failures of governance of this pandemic, and this is the top of the Dailymail.

    7h9kp58.png


  • #6
    [Deleted User]
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    The Pope is a great auld fella altogether!

    Is there anything to said for another crusade


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  • #7
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Anybody else finding boards incredibly slow at the moment? Click a link and wait, and wait, and wait...


  • #8
    Bazzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Anybody else finding boards incredibly slow at the moment? Click a link and wait, and wait, and wait...

    It's basically unusable on mobile but fine on my laptop.


  • #9
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Bazzo wrote: »
    It's basically unusable on mobile but fine on my laptop.
    I'm accessing it on a PC and it's mad slow. :(


    Edit: Taking 15 seconds to load a page. Also inline editing doesn't work; sends you to the advanced edit page and the editor mode switch doesn't seem to work either. Rubber bands seem to be at full stretch.


  • #10
    Squidgy Black
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Anybody else finding boards incredibly slow at the moment? Click a link and wait, and wait, and wait...

    Yep it's been like that on the touch site for me for the last few days.


  • #11
    swiwi_
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    My cousin passed today aged only 55 (heart attack). After a couple of hard years he had found happiness learning Maori. His brothers in Brisbane and Brazil and quite possibly his sister in Queenstown can’t make the funeral because of the current situation. I hate that kind of shît but I suppose that’s life. He was a walking encyclopaedia, in particular he lived in London a while and knew a whole array of arcane but fascinating historical details about the city. He also came visited us in Ireland (Cork from memory). May he RIP.


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  • #12
    Yeah_Right
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    My cousin passed today aged only 55 (heart attack). After a couple of hard years he had found happiness learning Maori. His brothers in Brisbane and Brazil and quite possibly his sister in Queenstown can’t make the funeral because of the current situation. I hate that kind of shît but I suppose that’s life. He was a walking encyclopaedia, in particular he lived in London a while and knew a whole array of arcane but fascinating historical details about the city. He also came visited us in Ireland (Cork from memory). May he RIP.

    Kia kaha mate.


  • #13
    Clegg
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    Very sorry for your loss, Swiwi.


  • #14
    sydthebeat
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    sorry to hear that swiwi.... while theres no good time, this is a bitch of a time to lose anyone


  • #15
    Panda Killa
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    Sorry to hear that swiwi... horrible times for all of the family


  • #16
    dregin
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    My cousin passed today aged only 55 (heart attack). After a couple of hard years he had found happiness learning Maori. His brothers in Brisbane and Brazil and quite possibly his sister in Queenstown can’t make the funeral because of the current situation. I hate that kind of shît but I suppose that’s life. He was a walking encyclopaedia, in particular he lived in London a while and knew a whole array of arcane but fascinating historical details about the city. He also came visited us in Ireland (Cork from memory). May he RIP.
    Sorry to hear that mate.


  • #17
    Bazzo
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    My cousin passed today aged only 55 (heart attack). After a couple of hard years he had found happiness learning Maori. His brothers in Brisbane and Brazil and quite possibly his sister in Queenstown can’t make the funeral because of the current situation. I hate that kind of shît but I suppose that’s life. He was a walking encyclopaedia, in particular he lived in London a while and knew a whole array of arcane but fascinating historical details about the city. He also came visited us in Ireland (Cork from memory). May he RIP.

    Terrible news swiwi, RIP.


  • #18
    swiwi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,501 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Thanks to everyone for the well-wishes and have a good weekend.


  • #19
    [Deleted User]
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    Sorry to hear your news Swiwi, very tough to deal with grief when the world is upturned.


  • #20
    irishbucsfan
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    Condolences and best wishes Swiwi


  • #21
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    Sorry to hear that Swiwi. Dealing with a loss in current times must be particularly tough.


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  • #22
    stephen_n
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    In the midst of a massive tragedy and hurtling towards being one of the true failures of governance of this pandemic, and this is the top of the Dailymail.

    7h9kp58.png

    Same Daily Mail that was attacking NHS workers last week.


  • #23
    Bazzo
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    The UK government is a ****ing joke. Rather than simply saying "We set ourselves an ambitious goal for testing, unfortunately we didn't quite meet it" the Tories decided to make a ridiculous changes to the criteria for counting tests at the very last minute and then congratulate themselves on exceeding the target.

    I find it very worrying that so many people are apparently unconcerned by the ease with which their government is willing to tell them barefaced lies.


  • #24
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    The UK government is a ****ing joke. Rather than simply saying "We set ourselves an ambitious goal for testing, unfortunately we didn't quite meet it" the Tories decided to make a ridiculous changes to the criteria for counting tests at the very last minute and then congratulate themselves on exceeding the target.

    I find it very worrying that so many people are apparently unconcerned by the ease with which their government is willing to tell them barefaced lies.

    It's disheartening but Brexit was a big red flag that England had lost the run of itself so them so eagerly swallowing obvious BS is nothing new.

    I don't think Scotland and Northern Ireland are drinking the koolaid however. I don't want to drift into banned topics but recent Scottish polling paints an extremely bleak picture for the Union.


  • #25
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    The UK government is a ****ing joke. Rather than simply saying "We set ourselves an ambitious goal for testing, unfortunately we didn't quite meet it" the Tories decided to make a ridiculous changes to the criteria for counting tests at the very last minute and then congratulate themselves on exceeding the target.

    And the press just reported it as fact without pointing out the obvious flaws. BBC's headline: "Coronavirus: Target reached as UK tests pass 100,000 a day".

    In the article: "The figure includes 40,000 tests sent out, including directly to people's homes, which may not yet have been taken."

    Any competent non-Tory ball-licking organisation wouldn't have led with that headline and should have pointed out the obvious bull**** going on.


  • #26
    Bazzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    And the press just reported it as fact without pointing out the obvious flaws. BBC's headline: "Coronavirus: Target reached as UK tests pass 100,000 a day".

    In the article: "The figure includes 40,000 tests sent out, including directly to people's homes, which may not yet have been taken."

    Any competent non-Tory ball-licking organisation wouldn't have led with that headline and should have pointed out the obvious bull**** going on.

    It'd be like the girlfriend asking me if I'd emptied the dishwasher and me saying "Yes, also I've changed where we keep all the plates & cutlery"


  • #27
    Buer
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    So, we're now seeing a lot of countries lifting their restrictions significantly and, whilst social distancing and caution is still to be taken as a matter of course, there's a sense of normality returning to some places. Switzerland was one of the worst hit nations not too long ago with an even higher rate of infection per head of population than Italy at one point. They're reopening schools next week and have already allowed retail outlets reopen.

    This appears to be mirrored in multiple nations across Europe. Portugal, another nation hit hard and which went into significant lockdown, reopened multiple elements of their economy yesterday. Denmark, Germany and even Spain are easing at a quicker rate than ourselves.

    Long story short, I don't see us implementing the timeframes that were set out in the phased plan on Friday. The pressure from the public is going to be immense when all other nations are reopening and people will be up in arms. Jacinda Ardern already referenced the pace of Ireland's reopening in an interview over the weekend which was done to highlight how quickly NZ is reopening but definitely gave our plan a negative slant.

    I think the government are going to be presented with two options/situations:

    - They broadly stick to the guidelines and we see a significant number of people ignoring the instructions and guidelines with widespread movement and interaction of people including people travelling to other areas of the country
    - They condense their schedule to something which aligns more closely with people's tolerance levels

    I've already been told by several people that they're simply not going to wait until late July to see their families who live more than 20km from them as well as extended family who have partners who live more than 20km away.


  • #28
    Podge_irl
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    It will be difficult for Ireland to stick to the plan if everything goes well in the other countries. It is not exactly beyond the bounds of possibility that things go to **** elsewhere and it looks more prudent.

    Some retail outlets are open in Switzerland (DIY/garden stores, hairdressers etc) but all shops are reopening on Monday. Border restrictions will also lessen, though will be far from normal still. We've never been as locked down as Ireland is currently though and our numbers still came down. The ban on gatherings of more than 5 is planned to go on June 8th (it will be 100 then I think) - but already this is being pushed with the good weather.


  • #29
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Buer wrote: »
    So, we're now seeing a lot of countries lifting their restrictions significantly and, whilst social distancing and caution is still to be taken as a matter of course, there's a sense of normality returning to some places. Switzerland was one of the worst hit nations not too long ago with an even higher rate of infection per head of population than Italy at one point. They're reopening schools next week and have already allowed retail outlets reopen.

    This appears to be mirrored in multiple nations across Europe. Portugal, another nation hit hard and which went into significant lockdown, reopened multiple elements of their economy yesterday. Denmark, Germany and even Spain are easing at a quicker rate than ourselves.

    Long story short, I don't see us implementing the timeframes that were set out in the phased plan on Friday. The pressure from the public is going to be immense when all other nations are reopening and people will be up in arms. Jacinda Ardern already referenced the pace of Ireland's reopening in an interview over the weekend which was done to highlight how quickly NZ is reopening but definitely gave our plan a negative slant.

    I think the government are going to be presented with two options/situations:

    - They broadly stick to the guidelines and we see a significant number of people ignoring the instructions and guidelines with widespread movement and interaction of people including people travelling to other areas of the country
    - They condense their schedule to something which aligns more closely with people's tolerance levels

    I've already been told by several people that they're simply not going to wait until late July to see their families who live more than 20km from them as well as extended family who have partners who live more than 20km away.
    I actually think our phased plan is a good idea. Initially, each phase is expected to last three weeks, but it has built in flexibility where a phase can be extended or contracted as conditions allow. I know they're not saying that with regard to possible contracting of phases, but it's clearly an option. The most important part of the plan is phase 1. If that goes well, there's always the possibility of shortening the next phase or adding two phases together.


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
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    Buer wrote: »
    So, we're now seeing a lot of countries lifting their restrictions significantly and, whilst social distancing and caution is still to be taken as a matter of course, there's a sense of normality returning to some places. Switzerland was one of the worst hit nations not too long ago with an even higher rate of infection per head of population than Italy at one point. They're reopening schools next week and have already allowed retail outlets reopen.

    This appears to be mirrored in multiple nations across Europe. Portugal, another nation hit hard and which went into significant lockdown, reopened multiple elements of their economy yesterday. Denmark, Germany and even Spain are easing at a quicker rate than ourselves.

    Long story short, I don't see us implementing the timeframes that were set out in the phased plan on Friday. The pressure from the public is going to be immense when all other nations are reopening and people will be up in arms. Jacinda Ardern already referenced the pace of Ireland's reopening in an interview over the weekend which was done to highlight how quickly NZ is reopening but definitely gave our plan a negative slant.

    I think the government are going to be presented with two options/situations:

    - They broadly stick to the guidelines and we see a significant number of people ignoring the instructions and guidelines with widespread movement and interaction of people including people travelling to other areas of the country
    - They condense their schedule to something which aligns more closely with people's tolerance levels

    I've already been told by several people that they're simply not going to wait until late July to see their families who live more than 20km from them as well as extended family who have partners who live more than 20km away.

    I think the Government will stick rigidly to the markers they are aiming for. This isn't guesswork, they've good data now and will have based the relaxation phases on likely trends.

    They've already said if we fall behind that we'll stay in a phase longer. I do suspect however that if our case numbers fall faster than anticipated that we might accelerate to a small degree also.

    I don't see the Government making changes outside of this - sure people are starting to relax a little bit but I suspect with an end in sight enough will keep the head down to keep the virus numbers trending downwards.

    I also would question if there would be liability issues should the government ignore the best advice of it's medical advisory team. If other countries are able to emerge faster from lockdown without consequence then there is no reason why we can't pivot more in the future, for now I'm happy the Government are being relatively cautious - regardless of what Ardern has said.


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  • #31
    troyzer
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think the Government will stick rigidly to the markers they are aiming for. This isn't guesswork, they've good data now and will have based the relaxation phases on likely trends.

    They've already said if we fall behind that we'll stay in a phase longer. I do suspect however that if our case numbers fall faster than anticipated that we might accelerate to a small degree also.

    I don't see the Government making changes outside of this - sure people are starting to relax a little bit but I suspect with an end in sight enough will keep the head down to keep the virus numbers trending downwards.

    I also would question if there would be liability issues should the government ignore the best advice of it's medical advisory team. If other countries are able to emerge faster from lockdown without consequence then there is no reason why we can't pivot more in the future, for now I'm happy the Government are being relatively cautious - regardless of what Ardern has said.

    They already have ignored advice. The CMO was dead against letting over 70s out before August at the very least.

    But there's a reason why we don't have technocrats running the country. You need to have political accountability.


  • #32
    Stheno
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    troyzer wrote: »
    They already have ignored advice. The CMO was dead against letting over 70s out before August at the very least.

    But there's a reason why we don't have technocrats running the country. You need to have political accountability.

    He also want each phase to be four weeks long


  • #33
    Buer
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    I think our plan is solid also and, if it's needed, I'll be sticking to it. I do think it's likely we have to amend it eventually though. If other countries suffer a relapse/second wave, we'll stick to the plan but if others go well and accelerate much more quickly then there's going to be serious pressure to accelerate our own plan.

    I do believe we're going to see more and more people ignore the rules in time if they don't. Keep in mind, we're not even 6 weeks into this lockdown. We are 11 weeks from people being allowed move more than 20km. As much as I'd like to think we'd all knuckle down, persevere and bind together, I think it's far more likely that people will say f*ck this. I can see people driving to other areas of the country way before then to see their families or partners; certainly far more than 20km.


  • #34
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    Buer wrote: »
    I think our plan is solid also and, if it's needed, I'll be sticking to it. I do think it's likely we have to amend it eventually though. If other countries suffer a relapse/second wave, we'll stick to the plan but if others go well and accelerate much more quickly then there's going to be serious pressure to accelerate our own plan.

    I do believe we're going to see more and more people ignore the rules in time if they don't. Keep in mind, we're not even 6 weeks into this lockdown. We are 11 weeks from people being allowed move more than 20km. As much as I'd like to think we'd all knuckle down, persevere and bind together, I think it's far more likely that people will say f*ck this. I can see people driving to other areas of the country way before then to see their families or partners; certainly far more than 20km.

    We also need to remember that one of the worst hit countries in the world is 16km away from our shores and lacks a functional government.


  • #35
    troyzer
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    Adam Neumann is suing SoftBank.

    Cheeky bastard, after all of the **** he pulled.


  • #36
    gp1990
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    Buer wrote: »

    I've already been told by several people that they're simply not going to wait until late July to see their families who live more than 20km from them as well as extended family who have partners who live more than 20km away.

    Certainly - anecdotally - I've noticed far more people getting out more as the weeks have gone by (the road outside my house in rural Ireland is heaving with people exercising the last few days), and also where at the beginning people may have gone out for walks alone or with their family, I'm seeing plenty of couples and friends not living together doing similar as time has gone by

    July is a very long time away - as people start to get bored of going for walks in the same areas and the novelty of getting up on the bike for a spin wears off with many, will we instead start to see more people congregating at houses in bigger groups?

    Even leaving pubs till as far as phase 5 could well be enough to spark a trend of large house parties over the summer where social distancing is non-existent and you can forget about contract tracing. Hopefully if and when common sense prevails and pubs that serve food can open up alongside restaurants in phase 3 that might help to curb this

    Overall I'm happy myself that some sort of plan has been drawn up - that said Phase 1 in mid-may will still benefit extremely few and for many it will still be an essential lockdown until June 8th which is very far away - I do wonder how people will react as you say with other countries now easing restrictions. That said Ireland could look very prudent indeed as time goes on

    I don't think we'll truly understand this thing and its patterns in Ireland until the vast majority can be tested to see if they have had it at any stage. That said as time goes on more and more research is being carried out and interesting data and patterns revealed, which can help to make informed decisions (e.g. how high is the risk of transmission in outdoors settings etc)


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  • #37
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    I can't see how another massive resurgence is going to avoided with all these plans in place. Surely numbers will go up exponentially. Not a hope we'll get to where New Zealand is. We're either gonna skip the rest of this year with extended lockdowns or bite the bullet and adopt Sweden's strategy. Hopefully our hospitals are ready. The general consensus I'm getting from friends and boards is that people are fed up.


  • #38
    Clegg
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    I'm hesitant to use Boards as an indicator of widespread opinion.There are some truly unhinged individuals posting in some of the Covid threads.


  • #39
    Stheno
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I can't see how another massive resurgence is going to avoided with all these plans in place. Surely numbers will go up exponentially. Not a hope we'll get to where New Zealand is. We're either gonna skip the rest of this year with extended lockdowns or bite the bullet and adopt Sweden's strategy. Hopefully our hospitals are ready. The general consensus I'm getting from friends and boards is that people are fed up.

    Do you not think people will be more cautious though? I'd be slow to go to a restaurant or pub when they reopen tbh


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
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    Clegg wrote: »
    I'm hesitant to use Boards as an indicator of widespread opinion.There are some truly unhinged individuals posting in some of the Covid threads.

    I only checked the "Most thanked" on the front page to be honest


  • #41
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Do you not think people will be more cautious though? I'd be slow to go to a restaurant or pub when they reopen tbh

    If the last 6 weeks has taught us anything it's that many people are some combination of a) dumb as pigsh*t and b) ignorant tossers who only care about themselves.

    Soon as the pubs reopen, they'll be absolutely rammed.


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  • #42
    OldRio
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    Well myself and Mrs OldRio haven't seen our children and grand child in months. If it takes another couple of months of lockdown to beat this bollox of a virus so be it.

    We're both in our mid sixties and the last thing we need is some impatient idiots spreading this thing. BTW feck the publicans. Drink and social distancing do not mix.

    I'm in no way a supporter of the present government but my God, I think in the main they have done a good job.

    As an aside I really don't think you can compare us with NZ.

    Sorry. A bit of a rant, well you try listening to my wife for two fecking solid months.


  • #43
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Do you not think people will be more cautious though? I'd be slow to go to a restaurant or pub when they reopen tbh

    I think even with a lot of cautions, we'll get back to R1+ pretty quickly. I obviously don't have the data for what I'm saying but I'm basing this how easily this thing spreads.

    I don't miss pubs and restaurants so I doubt I'll be going to them. I'd be happy out at stage 3 where we can have small gatherings in houses.


  • #44
    Stheno
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I think even with a lot of cautions, we'll get back to R1+ pretty quickly. I obviously don't have the data for what I'm saying but I'm basing this how easily this thing spreads.

    I don't miss pubs and restaurants so I doubt I'll be going to them. I'd be happy out at stage 3 where we can have small gatherings in houses.

    I'm the same, it would be nice to have the ohs kids over for dinner and I'd like to go to a garden centre but my nearest one is more than 5km away well the one I like so I guess it will be woodies or b and q some late evening when they reopen

    I imagine if/when the pubs reopen they may have to close early e.g. 10pm for a while

    I think what I'm most looking forward to is the relaxation of the 5km rule to 20km tbh


  • #45
    Stheno
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    The UK have added 10000 non hospital deaths related to COVID to their statistics up to the 24th April

    It's the ONS figures which count all deaths mentioning COVID on the death cert

    Now over 32k deaths and believed to be more

    It appears the media are starting to turn against the govt there


  • #46
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    Stheno wrote: »
    The UK have added 10000 non hospital deaths related to COVID to their statistics up to the 24th April

    It's the ONS figures which count all deaths mentioning COVID on the death cert

    Now over 32k deaths and believed to be more

    It appears the media are starting to turn against the govt there

    The governments ideological attachment to brexit has created a herd response from their supporters where instead of considering the staggering scale of failure they instead go out and take pictures of themselves clapping the bad away every Thursday.

    In a country with any level of political accountability the Government would be pulled down. Boris skipping 5 COBRA meetings not for some random emergency, but for THE emergency of a generation should be career ending.

    Insisting on shaking hands with sick people for optics during a pandemic should be career ending.

    But to accept that Boris Johnson is 'career endingly' bad at his job is a step too far for the ideologically committed.

    Maybe the media turns on them, but the country can do nothing about it either way. There are however seriously consequences beginning to emerge that will impact our corner of the world in the months and years to come.

    We may end up longer in lockdown or partial lockdown if they fail to get their house in order. Worse If the UK Governments populism fails it will be an unimaginable **** show.

    We are almost certainly going to be facing the fallout of a no deal crash in months thanks to these fools.

    In the medium term I think this will be the final straw for Scotland. I can't see them not leaving and I suspect they'll be fighting a weak Westminster when it happens.

    I'm bored and probably being dramatic but I think we're watching the start of a serious situation developing in England.


  • #47
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    OldRio wrote: »
    Well myself and Mrs OldRio haven't seen our children and grand child in months. If it takes another couple of months of lockdown to beat this bollox of a virus so be it.

    The problem is that another couple of months won't be enough to beat it. It isn't going to disappear until a vaccine is produced. We will potentially get a slightly better handle on it but that's it. The various social distancing measures (and personal hygiene measures) will have to do a lot of heavy lifting in the year to come.


  • #48
    gp1990
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭gp1990


    Stheno wrote: »
    I imagine if/when the pubs reopen they may have to close early e.g. 10pm for a while

    I think what I'm most looking forward to is the relaxation of the 5km rule to 20km tbh

    It doesn't surprise me that pub owners have been out in force since the roadmap was released - in fairness having country rural pubs alongside Temple Bar and Copper face Jacks in the same phase of easing restrictions is a little unfair, you just can't compare the two models.

    There are many, many pubs nationwide who can implement social distancing measures with relative ease. I expect the government to give the go ahead to pub owners to submit plans on how they can re-open and implement social distancing in their establishment and then they can be individually assessed and given a formal go-ahead to re-open alongside restaurants in phase 3

    As you say initially they could be limited to around 10pm closing time or maybe even no trading at weekends at first.
    When offices start to re-open in the cities again, city centre pubs should be able to generate plenty of 'after work' trade to get them back up and running, but by closing early won't get too big crowds or too drunk crowds where social distancing becomes basically impossible. It will be an issue for rural pubs with limited opening times - but a lot wouldn't have been getting 20 in the door on a week night anyway

    I'm unsure as to how practical booking attendance in advance is and talks of booking for certain timeframes - I don't see this realistically working, but table service and no access to the bar will definitely become the 'new normal' for now

    Like yourself though, the 20km is the main easing I'm looking forward to, and maybe more relaxation around offices opening, just to mix up my working week a bit.

    In relation to pubs I can personally take them or leave them by now. With reduced socialising and probably no widespread sport on for a while, I definitely won't get the same enjoyment out of them

    Funnily enough, I wouldn't have drank at home before all this but I have to say I've found a new enjoyment in it. We have a nice garden though to sit out the back and we can socialise with the next door neighbours over the wall aswell, without needing to leave our back garden seats. I can relax and have a few cans, then tip away and do something else, go back and have a few more cans, and with ease - unlike the pub where its just round after round and pacing yourself can be much trickier. Can have a chat on the phone or online aswell at my leisure to introduce more a social element. No queues, easy access to toilets, cheaper drink - plenty to be said for it :p

    If anything good comes out of this in relation to pubs - in my own view as a punter - it would be no more extremely packed places with three deep queues for bars, and with seats always available


  • #49
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,721 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    This is what vinters had proposed to the government apparently

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  • #50
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    gp1990 wrote: »
    It doesn't surprise me that pub owners have been out in force since the roadmap was released - in fairness having country rural pubs alongside Temple Bar and Copper face Jacks in the same phase of easing restrictions is a little unfair, you just can't compare the two models.

    There are many, many pubs nationwide who can implement social distancing measures with relative ease. I expect the government to give the go ahead to pub owners to submit plans on how they can re-open and implement social distancing in their establishment and then they can be individually assessed and given a formal go-ahead to re-open alongside restaurants in phase 3

    As you say initially they could be limited to around 10pm closing time or maybe even no trading at weekends at first.
    When offices start to re-open in the cities again, city centre pubs should be able to generate plenty of 'after work' trade to get them back up and running, but by closing early won't get too big crowds or too drunk crowds where social distancing becomes basically impossible. It will be an issue for rural pubs with limited opening times - but a lot wouldn't have been getting 20 in the door on a week night anyway

    I'm unsure as to how practical booking attendance in advance is and talks of booking for certain timeframes - I don't see this realistically working, but table service and no access to the bar will definitely become the 'new normal' for now

    Like yourself though, the 20km is the main easing I'm looking forward to, and maybe more relaxation around offices opening, just to mix up my working week a bit.

    In relation to pubs I can personally take them or leave them by now. With reduced socialising and probably no widespread sport on for a while, I definitely won't get the same enjoyment out of them

    Funnily enough, I wouldn't have drank at home before all this but I have to say I've found a new enjoyment in it. We have a nice garden though to sit out the back and we can socialise with the next door neighbours over the wall aswell, without needing to leave our back garden seats. I can relax and have a few cans, then tip away and do something else, go back and have a few more cans, and with ease - unlike the pub where its just round after round and pacing yourself can be much trickier. Can have a chat on the phone or online aswell at my leisure to introduce more a social element. No queues, easy access to toilets, cheaper drink - plenty to be said for it :p

    e

    Yeah my locals all do food well the ones I go to and by removing a third of the tables or so they'd be able to social distance serving food

    I work near the Bord Gais Theatre and thinking of w.g. the Ferryman, normally it is five deep on the pavement by about 4pm on a nice day from Wednesday to Friday so they'd struggle, and there are feck all other pubs in that area, brewdog might be ok but it's a moot point for me as I wont be back in the office for many months

    Dont tend to go out to the pub late tbh when we do it's for a bite to eat but tbh I'm not gone on the idea of multiple people cooking and handling my food or drinks at the moment

    That said like you I'm lucky to have a very nice outdoor space which on a day like today is lovely, if you were stick in an apartment or house with no outdoor space or it would be different, I'd imagine people are finding that hard to cope with


  • #51
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    I have zero faith in the pubs to stick to whatever guidelines they set out for themselves. These are the people who were packing in crowds even after the initial measures on March 12th as they tried to make as much money as possible in the tourist boom build up to St. Patrick's Day. Then it became clear that some pubs around the country were ignoring the instructions further and remaining open to serve alcohol even after this.

    Some will behave and follow the guidelines. Some will not. All of them however will have to deal with drunk people failing to follow the measures regardless of what they do.The single biggest variable and risk of spreading a virus they have will be their customers. Alcohol and social distancing simply does not work.


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