Big bags of fert with one tractor ?

pms7 · 19-04-2015 3:52pm #1

This is what I do with big bags of fert. What do other people do when have only one tractor? This works but is a bit slow, have to cut on side and sort of pull the bag forward. Thinking of some sort of grid to put bags on that could back spinner under it...

modnote- I edited in your image pms7 as your name was on the Flickr a/c.

orm0nd · 19-04-2015 4:29pm

too dangerous looking for my liking, 1 slip and bang your head off the spreader

Aska · 19-04-2015 4:45pm

I have heard of guys using a hook that's attached to a overhanging girder that you back in under, but haven't seen it myself.

Be interested to know myself, I only have an old Vicon spreader that holds 2 big bags and a dodgy Massey that really doesn't steer so well, so it could take me the bones of 5 minutes to line a back over the spinner even if the bag is beside it.

Grueller · 19-04-2015 4:49pm

I have an out farm about 6miles away. I got an old steel street light pole from an uncle in the ESB. I welded an arm onto it at a height which allows me to hang the bag off the arm usingvthe front loader, then spin around and back the spinner under the bag. Works well for me but you need a front loader.

a neighbour has a gantry in the yard set up with a winch on it. He leaves the fert within reach of the winch when its delivered and rises it using the winch as he has no front loader. He only spreads about 4 tonne a year so I reckon small bags would be far handier for him in his case.

f140 · 19-04-2015 4:58pm

my post is pointless to the op but I have a digger (terex 860) to load the bags but this year I bought all the urea in small bags. I noticed while I was fecking around getting the digger out of the shed I had the small bags loaded. going to carry on with small bags for another 10 tonne or because I actually want to stock up in the bags (use them for rubbish etc).

Grueller · 19-04-2015 6:26pm

f140 wrote: »

my post is pointless to the op but I have a digger (terex 860) to load the bags but this year I bought all the urea in small bags. I noticed while I was fecking around getting the digger out of the shed I had the small bags loaded. going to carry on with small bags for another 10 tonne or because I actually want to stock up in the bags (use them for rubbish etc).

Small bags are handy alright but take a fools advice and have the pallets up on a bale trailer or something similar when loading the spinner. Lifting them from the ground up to the edge of the spinner is a real recipe for back injury. There is a good reason that nearly all other bags are gone to 20-25kgs.

mahoney_j · 19-04-2015 6:26pm

That's my way lads

Grueller · 19-04-2015 6:28pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

That's my way lads

Very similar to my setup on the outfarm.

Reggie. · 19-04-2015 6:40pm

Grueller wrote: »

Small bags are handy alright but take a fools advice and have the pallets up on a bale trailer or something similar when loading the spinner. Lifting them from the ground up to the edge of the spinner is a real recipe for back injury. There is a good reason that nearly all other bags are gone to 20-25kgs.

Best advice right there. Chest height is a must and takes at least 70% off the effort required

dohc turbo2 · 19-04-2015 7:01pm

Only made one for a farmer a few weeks ago , big rsj and one a short one on top with a 4 inch pipe welded to it, there hanging 2 bags off it and working well , when his lease is up it will be moved on

ganmo · 19-04-2015 7:24pm

f140 wrote: »

my post is pointless to the op but I have a digger (terex 860) to load the bags but this year I bought all the urea in small bags. I noticed while I was fecking around getting the digger out of the shed I had the small bags loaded. going to carry on with small bags for another 10 tonne or because I actually want to stock up in the bags (use them for rubbish etc).

If ya want small bags there's plenty here!

yellow50HX · 19-04-2015 8:37pm

Well we use the digger to lift the bags and it's a god send, if both of us are around one of use will bring the bags up the field while the other is spreading really shortens the job.

Used to use small bags and do the odd time but not great for the back. Used to leave them in the trailer which made them easier to tip into the spinner.

Cousin bought one of these last year and is very happy with it. He loads one into the spinner the brings another up the field with him and leaves it in the field and loads that with out having to go back to the yard. It's the job if you don't have a loader.
http://www.cashels.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Power-Crane.pdf

Also I remember a guy made a frame on wheels for loading the spinner

Reggie. · 19-04-2015 8:40pm

yellow50HX wrote: »

Well we use the digger to lift the bags and it's a god send, if both of us are around one of use will bring the bags up the field while the other is spreading really shortens the job.

Used to use small bags and do the odd time but not great for the back. Used to leave them in the trailer which made them easier to tip into the spinner.

Cousin bought one of these last year and is very happy with it. He loads one into the spinner the brings another up the field with him and leaves it in the field and loads that with out having to go back to the yard. It's the job if you don't have a loader.
http://www.cashels.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Power-Crane.pdf

Also I remember a guy made a frame on wheels for loading the spinner

I see a good few big fert spreaders come with them nowadays

poor farmer · 19-04-2015 9:20pm

what about this.

http://www.donedeal.ie/fertiliserspreaders-for-sale/artificial-manure-rack/9198652?offset=30

Reggie. · 19-04-2015 9:25pm

poor farmer wrote: »

what about this.

http://www.donedeal.ie/fertiliserspreaders-for-sale/artificial-manure-rack/9198652?offset=30

Be grand but you need a loader to lift the bags still but at least it's mobile

ganmo · 19-04-2015 9:29pm

poor farmer wrote: »

what about this.

http://www.donedeal.ie/fertiliserspreaders-for-sale/artificial-manure-rack/9198652?offset=30

at €1 thats a steal

Reggie. · 19-04-2015 9:30pm

ganmo wrote: »

at €1 thats a steal

Wonder would he do a group discount

grazeaway · 19-04-2015 9:36pm

poor farmer wrote: »

what about this.

http://www.donedeal.ie/fertiliserspreaders-for-sale/artificial-manure-rack/9198652?offset=30

That's a good idea was going to build sone like that a few years ago, had an old hopper with a mesh bottom.

Reggie. · 19-04-2015 10:21pm

grazeaway wrote: »

That's a good idea was going to build sone like that a few years ago, had an old hopper with a mesh bottom.

Wouldn't be hard but just make sure you had/have plenty of reinforcement

Green farmer · 19-04-2015 10:21pm

[QUOTE=Grueller;

Lifting them from the ground up to the edge of the spinner is a real recipe for back injury. There is a good reason that nearly all other bags are gone to 20-25kgs.[/QUOTE]

+1

Cannt understand why don't come in 25kg bags.

raypallas · 19-04-2015 10:25pm

pms7 wrote:

This is what I do with big bags of fert. What do other people do when have only one tractor? This works but is a bit slow, have to cut on side and sort of pull the bag forward. Thinking of some sort of grid to put bags on that could back spinner under it...

Just a suggestion poster, why not put two railings (something like 1 1/4 pipe) across infront of the bags incase they fall down. If you put the first at a height of say 18 inches and the second at 30 inches it would stop the bags from falling. If you kept the pipes out 6 inches from the shelf, it would allow ya to cut the front of the bag and part of the bottom of the bag making it much easier to empty it.

Sorry about long post!!!

williemakeit · 19-04-2015 10:38pm

Anyone use a chain hoist to lift big bags. I was thinking about having a1 ton chain hoist onto roof of shed.... any thoughts

Reggie. · 19-04-2015 10:52pm

williemakeit wrote: »

Anyone use a chain hoist to lift big bags. I was thinking about having a1 ton chain hoist onto roof of shed.... any thoughts

Make sure the roof beam can take that kind of weight. Plus would you insurance cover it?

micraX · 19-04-2015 11:24pm

No one else have a forklift?

micraX · 19-04-2015 11:24pm

No one else have a forklift?

Reggie. · 19-04-2015 11:31pm

micraX wrote: »

No one else have a forklift?

Most farmyards I know wouldn't

foxy farmer · 20-04-2015 1:48am

williemakeit wrote: »

Anyone use a chain hoist to lift big bags. I was thinking about having a1 ton chain hoist onto roof of shed.... any thoughts

Will work if roof structure is up to it but it's damn slow. Use one here the odd time with big bags of ration to keep out of reach of vermin. Same speed up and down. PITH!!

mf240 · 20-04-2015 9:05am

If you could get a reliable contractor with a bulk spreader for the big spreads and just pick up a couple of bags in the spreader at the co op for the small bits .??

twin_beacon · 20-04-2015 9:16am

we have one tractor with a loader. we take off the spreader when filling. The spreader had the quick attach hooks for the lift arms, then just a matter of attaching the top link and pto.

Sam Kade · 20-04-2015 9:45am

poor farmer wrote: »

what about this.

http://www.donedeal.ie/fertiliserspreaders-for-sale/artificial-manure-rack/9198652?offset=30

The legs look very light for holding I tonne. You would need something like boxed channel to support that weight and to last. That contraption will be rotting in the ditch in a few years.

darragh_haven · 20-04-2015 9:58am

micraX wrote: »

No one else have a forklift?

My brother used to run his business from our farm but he's moved to a better location and bigger warehouse. His forklift was lwft behind and my dad makes savage use of it. His back thanks the forlifk every day

onyerbikepat · 20-04-2015 10:18am

Sam Kade wrote: »

The legs look very light for holding I tonne. You would need something like boxed channel to support that weight and to last. That contraption will be rotting in the ditch in a few years.

You'd be surprised. The design does look good, with the legs spread out and it is galvanised.

Reggie. · 20-04-2015 10:21am

Sam Kade wrote: »

The legs look very light for holding I tonne. You would need something like boxed channel to support that weight and to last. That contraption will be rotting in the ditch in a few years.

The legs are hardly solid

pms7 · 20-04-2015 10:26am

raypallas wrote: »

Just a suggestion poster, why not put two railings (something like 1 1/4 pipe) across infront of the bags incase they fall down. If you put the first at a height of say 18 inches and the second at 30 inches it would stop the bags from falling. If you kept the pipes out 6 inches from the shelf, it would allow ya to cut the front of the bag and part of the bottom of the bag making it much easier to empty it.

Sorry about long post!!!

Yep, good idea. Had thought about bars in front but was going making up something somewhere else. Sometimes you don't see the obvious! A few have fallen, but only while placing them. Or something along the lines of that Donedeal stand looks good. Mind you, I throw off the loader when spreading, so like to have a good few ready to go, especially if silage ground.

dohc turbo2 · 20-04-2015 10:31am

Sam Kade wrote: »

The legs look very light for holding I tonne. You would need something like boxed channel to support that weight and to last. That contraption will be rotting in the ditch in a few years.

My taught exactly , looks like 2 inch box not even braced down low

lakill Farm · 20-04-2015 11:14am

micraX wrote: »

No one else have a forklift?

forklift here and its useless unless its on concrete.

not sure about a skidsteer, would it have the lifting height

ganmo · 20-04-2015 11:24am

lakill Farm wrote: »

forklift here and its useless unless its on concrete.

not sure about a skidsteer, would it have the lifting height

They'd prob be able to move them, not so sure about lifting up into a spinner
either way I wouldn't be too keen about being the body in the seat doing it

yellow50HX · 20-04-2015 6:38pm

micraX wrote: »

No one else have a forklift?

Pallet forks on the digger bucket, great job.

Neighbour picked something like this for about 2500 a few years ago and put a shear grab on it for feeding cattle and cleaning out sheds in the winter, forks for lifting bags in the spring. Reckons 'twas money well spent.
http://www.donedeal.ie/plantmachinery-for-sale/jcb-926-rough-terrain-forklift/9153236?offset=3

trixi2011 · 20-04-2015 6:43pm

Use a Jcb skid steer no bother to it , can carry 2 around the yard with ease but only ever lifted one at a time over the spinner

20-04-2015 8:27pm

poor farmer wrote: »

what about this.

http://www.donedeal.ie/fertiliserspreaders-for-sale/artificial-manure-rack/9198652?offset=30

I like this idea!

Also like idea of a forklift mast on a second tractor 3 point linkage.

mahoney_j wrote: »

That's my way lads

Had a set up like this. Used to lift bags with a bale spike here... Was a pain tbh to transfer the bag from the tine to the hook. Ended up using a strop arrangement to suspend the bag from the hook. Did not like climbing the ladder each time for that with bag suspended from loader.

Bought a crane lifter now. Expensive but full flexibility now.

20-04-2015 9:49pm

yellow50HX wrote: »

Well we use the digger to lift the bags and it's a god send, if both of us are around one of use will bring the bags up the field while the other is spreading really shortens the job.

Used to use small bags and do the odd time but not great for the back. Used to leave them in the trailer which made them easier to tip into the spinner.

Cousin bought one of these last year and is very happy with it. He loads one into the spinner the brings another up the field with him and leaves it in the field and loads that with out having to go back to the yard. It's the job if you don't have a loader.
http://www.cashels.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Power-Crane.pdf

Also I remember a guy made a frame on wheels for loading the spinner

A lot of lads who have them have a separate loader tractor but if you spread a lot they make a load of sense especially if they can lift the bags off a trailer. drop a trailer off in a field full of fertiliser. load yourself rather than having another man waiting around all day for you or having to continously go back to the yard

A lot of money for something that wont be used a huge amount but as my father would point out , if it saved your back once it fully paid for itself

C0N0R · 20-04-2015 9:59pm

trixi2011 wrote: »

Use a Jcb skid steer no bother to it , can carry 2 around the yard with ease but only ever lifted one at a time over the spinner

Was thinking they should have no issues with lifting bags of fert, especially urea, at 375 kg.

trixi2011 · 20-04-2015 10:03pm

C0N0R wrote: »

Was thinking they should have no issues with lifting bags of fert, especially urea, at 375 kg.

2 600kg bags no bother around the yard

Nekarsulm · 20-04-2015 10:09pm

Anyone use one of those hydraulic extending crane lifters, that fit between the tractor and the spreader?
You would probably need a 4wd with weights on the front, as it will move the actual spreader backwards another 8 inches or so.

http://www.donedeal.ie/otherfarmmachinery-for-sale/bamlett-fertiliser-bag-lifter-crane/9064567?offset=7

Sam Kade · 21-04-2015 9:47am

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Anyone use one of those hydraulic extending crane lifters, that fit between the tractor and the spreader?
You would probably need a 4wd with weights on the front, as it will move the actual spreader backwards another 8 inches or so.

http://www.donedeal.ie/otherfarmmachinery-for-sale/bamlett-fertiliser-bag-lifter-crane/9064567?offset=7

I've used one, great job for outside farms or rented ground. No need for front weights with fwd.

Reggie. · 21-04-2015 9:56am

Sam Kade wrote: »

I've used one, great job for outside farms or rented ground. No need for front weights with fwd.

If you have a fuel tank at the front of the bonnet that should help the ballast too

_Brian · 21-04-2015 6:06pm

Spotted this today while out on the road and thought of this thread..
Nice bit of kit, not sure about a price though.. Looks like it would take three bags at a time..

Reggie. · 21-04-2015 7:32pm

_Brian wrote: »

Spotted this today while out on the road and thought of this thread..
Nice bit of kit, not sure about a price though.. Looks like it would take three bags at a time..

Hardly the same one as in the donedeal ad further up the thread. Did it look sturdy Brian

Green farmer · 21-04-2015 7:38pm

You wouldn't want a weld to crack, or tip it whilst reversing

Reggie. · 21-04-2015 7:40pm

Green farmer wrote: »

You wouldn't want a weld to crack, or tip it whilst reversing

I'd be welding a few bars to the legs for support

Green farmer · 21-04-2015 7:44pm

Reggie. wrote: »

I'd be welding a few bars to the legs for support

And bolt it down into the ground

Big bags of fert with one tractor ?

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