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Call for reform of motor tax system

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  • #52
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Why pick the canals as your boundary point?

    Because it is the easiest points to control,

    There is a congestion charge on the Port tunnel that works very well.


  • #53
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    I strongly suspect driving into Dublin City Centre only makes sense for many because they get free or subsidised parking as part of their employment in the public sector.
    Taxpayer subsidised single occupant car journeys into Dublin City Centre at rush hour is madness and any government serious about tackling congestion would review it.

    Obviously for essential service shift workers who cannot get public transport at the times they start and finish work such parking should be provided. But as it as they often go without, eg St James Hospital staff, while many working 9-5 in public sector offices in Dublin City Centre continue to get it. The Gardai simply deal with the problem by parking illegally in front of all their stations, which is necessary but sub-optimal.

    Does not happen in other police forces, make the guards take public transport like everyone else.


  • #54
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Because it is the easiest points to control,

    There is a congestion charge on the Port tunnel that works very well.

    Not really when a high volume of traffic from N4 and N3 don't touch touch them. Theirs a lot of residences within it, such as inchicore And the city limits are beyond them. The canals seems like a rather odd choice.


  • #55
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I can see motor tax based on Kw for EVs coming down the line.

    The state needs money, and motoring is an easy touch, not just here, but globally.

    We don't have, not can we afford the anpr network to enforce any distance based tolling nationwide. The cheapest option is to keep selling circular discs for your windscreen, and charge every vehicle a few hundred euro, no matter what fuel source they consume.


  • #56
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Not really when a high volume of traffic from N4 and N3 don't touch touch them. Theirs a lot of residences within it, such as inchicore And the city limits are beyond them. The canals seems like a rather odd choice.

    Just do it at peak times to cross the canals driving into town say 8am to 9 am, residents such as in inchicore and portabello may apply for passes although cannot see them needing to cross the canal to go into town- in London residents within the charging zone recieve 90% discount.

    https://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-information/getting-around-london/congestion-charge

    As for the N3,N4 , the charge can be applied at the appropriate artery for those roads, eg Con Colbert.


  • #57
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    It will go to a GPS tracked km driven model over the next 10 years ir do.

    Not a hope.

    Who's going to -pay- to fit GPS to all my 20yr old ICEs?

    And the data charges?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #58
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    uncle-mofo wrote: »
    Why would a cyclist pay motor tax?

    For Solidarity, brother :)

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #59
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    galwaytt wrote: »
    For Solidarity, brother :)


    Electric bikes. On the electricity!


  • #60
    PaulKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭PaulKK


    Why not just simplify the system and have 2 tax rates for all cars be they electric or ICE based on weight or something. E.g. <= 1500kg 250 per year and > 1500 kg 400 a year.

    It's my understanding that most cars from the past 10 years on the road are in the lowest tax bands A/B, i.e roughly 200 per year anyway.

    We were all paying out 350 on 1.4 golfs 15 years ago so I don't think it's unreasonable to just flatten the rates for all cars.

    The vrt rate by CO2 could be retained to incentise buying a lower emission car in the first place.


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  • #61
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    The old cc based system wasn't all that bad.

    Well up to a 2l which was €710. (I regularly paid 710)

    Anything over 2000cc and the government lost the plot.

    https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/motortaxinfotype.do

    I think if they were fairer with the 2000cc+ rates we could go back to that.

    But I think they'll go with a bhp/Kw based motor tax system for EVs.
    It doesn't have to be a fair system .
    It's just a system for generating revenue.
    After all . It's a tax.

    Taxing on useage isn't feasible, the infrastructure needed will never exist here. People talk about zones, they talk about the m50, the canals as boundary markers.

    What about the rest of the country ?
    .


  • #62
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    mikeecho wrote: »
    The old cc based system wasn't all that bad.

    Well up to a 2l which was €710. (I regularly paid 710)

    Anything over 2000cc and the government lost the plot.

    https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/motortaxinfotype.do

    I think if they were fairer with the 2000cc+ rates we could go back to that.

    But I think they'll go with a bhp/Kw based motor tax system for EVs.
    It doesn't have to be a fair system .
    It's just a system for generating revenue.
    After all . It's a tax.

    Taxing on useage isn't feasible, the infrastructure needed will never exist here. People talk about zones, they talk about the m50, the canals as boundary markers.

    What about the rest of the country ?
    .


    It is if it's put on the fuels. System already there.


  • #63
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    saabsaab wrote: »
    It is if it's put on the fuels. System already there.

    How do you tax electricity, and yet still have it affordable to boil the kettle and toast the bread.


  • #64
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Electricity is already taxed just add a cent or two per KW. Easy. Confine it to fossil fuel generated if you like too.


  • #65
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Electricity is already taxed just add a cent or two per KW. Easy. Confine it to fossil fuel generated if you like too.

    It's not just motor tax that they need to recoup, it's all the lost revenue from fossil fuel, that is already taxed to the hilt.

    1 or 2 cent per KW isn't going to make up that shortfall. If you think it will, you're living in Cuckoo land.


  • #66
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    mikeecho wrote: »
    It's not just motor tax that they need to recoup, it's all the lost revenue from fossil fuel, that is already taxed to the hilt.

    1 or 2 cent per KW isn't going to make up that shortfall. If you think it will, you're living in Cuckoo land.


    I doubt that I am. Dependence of fossil fuels is though.


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  • #67
    Humilde
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Humilde


    This particular topic of road tax collection seems to be a favourite of all of those who know **** all about driving cars and the transport system in general. This eejit advises the government, just imagine.


  • #68
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,411 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    mikeecho wrote: »
    How do you tax electricity, and yet still have it affordable to boil the kettle and toast the bread.

    It might need to go down a similar route of green diesel where you ban useage of domestic electricity in vehicles and increase electricity costs on the public charging network. €1500 fine for plugging the car in to your home..mad I know.


  • #69
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,404 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    A car is a car is a car, making the single mom who can't afford a new car to pay 4 times the tax on her older car makes no sense. Cars over 15 years old should be on a set rate, 400. And if a person wants to drive a 15 year old 5.0 petrol well he'll be paying the duty on the fuel as an extra tax,
    right now you have no right to run a big powerful older car, you're taxed out of it.


  • #70
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    A car is a car is a car, making the single mom who can't afford a new car to pay 4 times the tax on her older car makes no sense. Cars over 15 years old should be on a set rate, 400. And if a person wants to drive a 15 year old 5.0 petrol well he'll be paying the duty on the fuel as an extra tax,
    right now you have no right to run a big powerful older car, you're taxed out of it.


    Not a bad idea but I would think an increase in fossil fuel is needed too to help limit mileage.


  • #71
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Those wearing lycra would be on the highest tax band :D

    Special super tax band for anybody found making aggressive GoPro videos.


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  • #72
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Or how about a universal car tax of €400 for everyone regardless of the make/model or size of the car/engine. You buy a car, you pay car tax. No nonsense about engine size or how much or little you use the car. No one is discriminated against, no one can complain.

    Abolish the ridiculous two tier system at present and introduce this for all cars and trucks on the road.

    I’d leave the vintage class alone.


  • #73
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    Or how about a universal car tax of €400 for everyone regardless of the make/model or size of the car/engine. You buy a car, you pay car tax. No nonsense about engine size or how much or little you use the car. No one is discriminated against, no one can complain.

    Abolish the ridiculous two tier system at present and introduce this for all cars and trucks on the road.

    I’d leave the vintage class alone.


    Not a bad idea a transport 'tax' for all. I'd add an extra tax to the fossil fuels too.


  • #74
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Not a bad idea a transport 'tax' for all. I'd add an extra tax to the fossil fuels too.

    There is already 220% tax on petrol (in various guies)

    Excise, Vat, carbon, Nora.

    Petrol costs about 40¢/l pre tax

    So, I don't know what difference adding more tax will do.

    The whole mention of motor tax reform, isn't primarily sighted at the ice driver. It's aimed at the ev.
    EVs are to cheap to run and tax.
    The government needs to get more money from those drivers.

    You can tax and ban ice out of existence, but then what. .. you've just killed the goose.

    The ev becomes the new goose.


    Some bedtime reading.
    https://www.storyit.com/Classics/Stories/goldengooseegg.htm

    Too much greed results in nothing


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