Call for reform of motor tax system

extra-ordinary_

Have a read...

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0810/1158332-motor-tax-report/

There have been calls for the Motor Tax system to be substantially reformed to retain revenue that is currently received through taxes on car and fuel ownership, as the country moves to more widespread use of electric vehicles.

The call comes from the Economist Colm McCarthy, the author of a new Economic report commissioned by Irish Car Carbon Reduction Alliance.

Speaking on Today with Sarah McInerney, Colm McCarthy suggested motorists could be charged for the use of the road system, rather than owning cars or buying cars or for paying for fuel.

corsav6

Didn't take long to read. Sounds like someone just filing the silence there, not a whole lot of info.

Kilboor

How exactly would any of that work? So you're charged more tax if you use your car on busy roads? Prepare for quiet roads becoming busy!
How would this be enforced? How does this help with moving to greener cars?

RTE report is a little light on details

Eric Cartman

Kilboor wrote: »

How exactly would any of that work? So you're charged more tax if you use your car on busy roads? Prepare for quiet roads becoming busy!
How would this be enforced? How does this help with moving to greener cars?

RTE report is a little light on details

I think the very poorly described angle they're getting at would be dynamically priced tolls on larger roads, Ala M50 would be 1 euro per exit between 8-10am and 4-7pm it would be free / 25 cent an exit after that, N7 anywhere from Sallins inbound 10 cent an exit at peak times etc...

all it would do is make every housing estate and weird runs like the green hills road absolutely mad.

Duckjob

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think the very poorly described angle they're getting at would be dynamically priced tolls on larger roads, Ala M50 would be 1 euro per exit between 8-10am and 4-7pm it would be free / 25 cent an exit after that, N7 anywhere from Sallins inbound 10 cent an exit at peak times etc...

all it would do is make every housing estate and weird runs like the green hills road absolutely mad.

That's easily prevented by putting retractable bollards in said estates to block thru private motor traffic altogether. Also gives emergency services quicker routes to get where they need to go quickly in an emergency.

Rows Grower

Mr McCarthy is talking out of his hole.

Eric Cartman

Duckjob wrote: »

That's easily prevented by putting retractable bollards in said estates to block thru private motor traffic altogether. Also gives emergency services quicker routes to get where they need to go quickly in an emergency.

its not just estates , just smaller roads that motorways were built to avoid. Couldn't bolard those off

Atlantic Dawn

With Covid the last thing you want is to be using a carsharing vehicle. The public transport system has a long long way to go before it's a viable alternative to owning a car, even in Dublin.

saabsaab

Car tax is outdated and needs total reform. Taxation by use is a good idea but how to administer?


Move the taxes to the fossil fuels (include electricity) simple. the more you use the more you pay!

Duckjob

saabsaab wrote: »

Car tax is outdated and needs total reform. Taxation by use is a good idea but how to administer?


Move the taxes to the fossil fuels (include electricity) simple. the more you use the more you pay!

Electricity is and will always be used for a lot more than charging electric cars.

Rodney Bathgate

Make cyclists pay the road tax.

saabsaab

Duckjob wrote: »

Electricity is and will always be used for a lot more than charging electric cars.

True.

wonski

saabsaab wrote: »

Car tax is outdated and needs total reform. Taxation by use is a good idea but how to administer?


Move the taxes to the fossil fuels (include electricity) simple. the more you use the more you pay!

Taxation by use can be easily implemented by charging it at the pump and charging stations.

Any other ideas are just worse.

But the above will never happen, the yearly tax rates are handy and easy to manage system so it will stay.

Unless the UK introduced something else and then their contractor and a bunch of consultants will have a chance to make a deal with Irish government to introduce similar system here...

saabsaab

'above will never happen, the yearly tax rates are handy and easy to manage system so it will stay.'


I'm not so sure, easier if there they didn't need staff to run it. When I say 'it' both systems pre 2008 and after both poor.

Atlantic Dawn

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Make cyclists pay the road tax.

Those wearing lycra would be on the highest tax band

saabsaab

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Those wearing lycra would be on the highest tax band

Tax the lycra like a micra!

saabsaab

Perhaps introduce a transport tax on all? X amount per year on all.

Rodney Bathgate

Tax rebate for attractive Lycra clad ladies.

Dravokivich

Rows Grower wrote: »

Mr McCarthy is talking out of his hole.

Yeah, he needs to look into the changes that came in only a few months ago about importing cars.

Mr. McCarthy said the current system incentivises people to buy old less fuel efficient cars from the UK.

CoBo55

Slow news day....

jim salter

Maybe they should look into all those VWs that are in lower tax bracket based on false emissions

BonnieSituation

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

Have a read...

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0810/1158332-motor-tax-report/

I stopped reading at "Colm McCarthy". You should have too.

Idbatterim

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Those wearing lycra would be on the highest tax band

Not if they are female and hot

mikeecho

wonski wrote: »

Taxation by use can be easily implemented by charging it at the pump and charging stations.

Any other ideas are just worse.

But the above will never happen, the yearly tax rates are handy and easy to manage system so it will stay.

Unless the UK introduced something else and then their contractor and a bunch of consultants will have a chance to make a deal with Irish government to introduce similar system here...

That was implemented by the FF gov lead by Jack Lynch back in the late 70's

Extra tax was put on petrol, and motor tax abolished for certain HP cars and bikes.

A few years later... Motor tax was reinstated, and the extra tax on petrol stayed.

Let's not repeat history.

LillySV

Country would have more money for the roads if they didn’t pay as much money to C*@£;$ like Colm McCarthy

mikeecho

This whole thing about regigging the motor tax system, is a little heads up to those with EV's

The days of cheap EV motoring are coming to an end.

EV , petrol, diesel, LPG, CNG, hybrid.. all will be paying a substantial yearly motor tax.

saabsaab

mikeecho wrote: »

That was implemented by the FF gov lead by Jack Lynch back in the late 70's

Extra tax was put on petrol, and motor tax abolished for certain HP cars and bikes.

A few years later... Motor tax was reinstated, and the extra tax on petrol stayed.

Let's not repeat history.

That's not true, it never was tried. The cost was not put on the fuel just tax abolished for lower hp cars.

jimmycrackcorm

Kilboor wrote: »

How exactly would any of that work? So you're charged more tax if you use your car on busy roads? Prepare for quiet roads becoming busy!
How would this be enforced? How does this help with moving to greener cars?

RTE report is a little light on details

Hasn't stopped people using quieter roads than the M50 for example.

liamog

It's a pretty standard policy move in the anti EV playbook. The Irish Car Carbon Reduction Alliance is an industry group set up to delay the transition to EV as it reduces servicing revenue.

mikeecho

saabsaab wrote: »

That's not true, it never was tried. The cost was not put on the fuel just tax abolished for lower hp cars.

And 5p was added to fuel.

Look... Any fuel price increase is there to stay.. motor tax might go away, but like s bad penny it will come back.. and the extra fuel tax.. that will always be there.

Just read about NORA .. that's running at a surplus.. it's no longer needed.
But they refuse to remove it,. Instead they say it'll be used for environment measures.

Superfoods

Duckjob wrote: »

That's easily prevented by putting retractable bollards in said estates to block thru private motor traffic altogether. Also gives emergency services quicker routes to get where they need to go quickly in an emergency.

At the cost of million......