Why aren't there more strong Dublin accents in the media?

whisky_galore · 22-09-2020 6:55pm

Zascar wrote: »

Unfortunately now the Dublin accent has morphed into some bastardization of misprnouncing most words and generally sounding like a junkie.

At one extreme, the 'Dort' accent and at the other extreme the nasal junkie-like whine.

Dyr · 22-09-2020 7:24pm

mariaalice wrote: »

I put this up before but to me, this is the quintessential older dublin accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQobhG6PORA

It's a fella acting.

This is what the old Dublin accent is like:

Aongus Von Bismarck · 22-09-2020 7:37pm

It's an atrocious accent.

mariaalice · 22-09-2020 7:52pm

Bambi wrote: »

It's a fella acting.

This is what the old Dublin accent is like:

Stanley Townsand the actor in the video i shared is from Dublin I think he nails the accent quite well, your video is a great example very few people speak like that today.

All accents evolve.

imme · 22-09-2020 8:03pm

mariaalice wrote: »

There was a Dublin trade unionist and signer and irish speaker, can't think of his name at the moment, who believed it was Luke Kelly that made the Dublin accent acceptable.

Des Geraghty I imagine.

22-09-2020 9:32pm

Ideal for six one news?

https://youtu.be/8cxNNzdp8eU?t=12

Alejandro68 · 22-09-2020 10:20pm

No offense to Dubliners, but at times how they pronounce certain words confuses me as to how they are actually supposed to be pronounced. Same could be said with certain parts of Tipperary and Kerry.

its_steve116 · 23-09-2020 1:28am

glasso wrote: »

Ideal for six one news?

https://youtu.be/8cxNNzdp8eU?t=12

Classic!

Lewis_Benson · 23-09-2020 9:46am

Because it would be like a drill into the side of your head to listen to...

I spent a day working in santry as part of my Job.
That was far too long to have to listen to that accent.

Edgware · 23-09-2020 11:58am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Fair City actors aren't convincing as humans let alone Dubliners.

Billy Barry robots

McGinniesta · 23-09-2020 12:02pm

People with strong accents don't usually make it into broadcasting.

This doesn't relate to Dublin accents on their own. You'll never hear a strong cork, limerick or belfast accent either.

The same applies in the UK.

Ypu'll never hear anyone with a strong scouse, cockney, geordie or brummie accent. This even applies to local and regional radio.

McGinniesta · 23-09-2020 12:03pm

Alejandro68 wrote: »

No offense to Dubliners, but at times how they pronounce certain words confuses me as to how they are actually supposed to be pronounced. Same could be said with certain parts of Tipperary and Kerry.

That's a general thing. I'm a dub and I find that with people from other parts of Ireland too.

Stovepipe · 23-09-2020 12:04pm

I don't know.Some of the TG4 broadcasters and reporters have very strong Donegal accents and it's very hard to understand the "gaeilge" from them.

Edgware · 23-09-2020 12:11pm

McGinniesta wrote: »

People with strong accents don't usually make it into broadcasting.

This doesn't relate to Dublin accents on their own. You'll never hear a strong cork, limerick or belfast accent either.

The same applies in the UK.

Ypu'll never hear anyone with a strong scouse, cockney, geordie or brummie accent. This even applies to local and regional radio.

What is the point of having someone with a strong local accent reading the news if the
rest of the country cannot undestand them?
There is no shortage of regional accents in drama series on t.v. However if its a Scouse the character is usually a "scally". If its a Dublin working class accent the character is usually a thug or not too bright. Too much stereotyping

El_Duderino 09 · 23-09-2020 12:15pm

McGinniesta wrote: »

People with strong accents don't usually make it into broadcasting.

This doesn't relate to Dublin accents on their own. You'll never hear a strong cork, limerick or belfast accent either.

The same applies in the UK.

Ypu'll never hear anyone with a strong scouse, cockney, geordie or brummie accent. This even applies to local and regional radio.

I think the UK has regional accents on TV but, as you said, not very strong regional accents. But to be fair, you need to be well spoken to be on TV so even a regional accent sounds milder when well spoken. A well spoken Midlands accent will still sound like a Midlands accent but it is a lot milder than the accent of someone from a rough estate in the same town.

BBC has regional accents. They have laura kuenssberg as a main Westminster correspondent and the main nighttime news reader, Hue Edwards, has a Welsh accent.

When the BBC want to appeal to younger audiences they use regional accents too. Stacey dooley has an Essex accent and yer man Ben Zand has a pretty real Liverpool accent. Though they have to modify their accents to make sure they're understood easily.

McGinniesta · 23-09-2020 12:18pm

Edgware wrote: »

What is the point of having someone with a strong local accent reading the news if the
rest of the country cannot undestand them?
There is no shortage of regional accents in drama series on t.v. However if its a Scouse the character is usually a "scally". If its a Dublin working class accent the character is usually a thug or not too bright. Too much stereotyping

Presumably they'll select people who have clear voices for positions like those.

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2020 12:23pm

Channel 4 seems to do regional accents too when they're talking about the next show coming up etc.
Anyway I don't want to hear strong Dublin accents or any strong accents reading the news etc, most are painful to listen to.

dvcireland · 23-09-2020 12:25pm

Real Life wrote: »

Brian Kerr represents to the fullest

"..he's after gettin' a right bang in the mush there..."

crossman47 · 23-09-2020 12:26pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

I don't know.Some of the TG4 broadcasters and reporters have very strong Donegal accents and it's very hard to understand the "gaeilge" from them.

I'm the same but thats actually a different issue. Donegal has its own dialect of Irish (as has Connemara and Kerry).

Thelonious Monk · 23-09-2020 12:34pm

crossman47 wrote: »

I'm the same but thats actually a different issue. Donegal has its own dialect of Irish (as has Connemara and Kerry).

I was fluent in Irish as went to preschool and primary as Gaeilge, but when I went to the Aran Islands when I was 12 I couldn't understand the Fear and Bean and Ti to save my life. It just goes to show how far removed the makey uppy language they unsuccessfully teach kids nowadays is removed from the actual language.

Dyr · 23-09-2020 12:38pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Channel 4 seems to do regional accents too when they're talking about the next show coming up etc.
Anyway I don't want to hear strong Dublin accents or any strong accents reading the news etc, most are painful to listen to.

The awwcent thot ORTEEE prasantors use when delivaring the Neyws is strong and the pronuncation is absolutely non standard English, I dont give a damn about accents but pronunciation should be correct for news.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-09-2020 12:38pm

dvcireland wrote: »

"..he's after gettin' a right bang in the mush there..."

That's the thing though. The interesting things about regional speech isn't just the sound of the accent, it's also the regional phrases. So if Brian kerr read the news he would have to use the same words as Dobbo even of he said it in his Dublin accent. So he wouldn't say "he's after gettin' a right bang in the mush there". He's say "the man has been struck in the face".

Ger Roe · 23-09-2020 12:40pm

RTE news reporter, John Kilraine, has a relatively strong Dublin accent.

I have noticed some developing speech habits entering the media recently ...
Pronouncing 'ing' as 'een' Eg 'beginning' pronounced as 'begineen'.

And then there is 'News' being pronounced as 'Nooze'.

Then there is the old chestnut of R T E being pronounced as ARR Tee Eee

That one has been around since the formation of the service and must be promoted during employment induction.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-09-2020 12:41pm

Bambi wrote: »

The awwcent thot ORTEEE prasantors use when delivaring the Neyws is strong and the pronuncation is absolutely non standard English, I dont give a damn about accents but pronunciation should be correct for news.

What you've written there isn't how they speak though. They don't say ORTEE. They say AR-TEE-EE, which is correct. They would never say awwcent. I think you're mistaking RTE accent for Dort accent.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 12:49pm

why aren't there more working class dublin accents in politics?

El_Duderino 09 · 23-09-2020 12:52pm

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2020/0124/1110569-mind-your-language/

This is an interesting piece from the AR-TEE-EE archives. Late late show in 1985. Yer man with the answers isn't a bit endearing but it illustrates the point about where th e RTE accent comes from.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-09-2020 12:58pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

why aren't there more working class dublin accents in politics?

I'd say that is partially to do with how strong accents are portrayed in media. If you have a TV show and you have a very small part for a character who has to quickly establish themselves as stupid and uneducated, then they tend to give them strong accent along with other clear cues like being overweight, dowdy dress and poorly groomed.

So when you hear a working class accent you're predisposed to assume the person is less educated than the well spoken person and that affects how you view he information thst person is telling you and thst affects how people vote.

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 1:00pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

why aren't there more working class dublin accents in politics?

There are loads of them, that is a very lazy assumption.

It a bit like the posers who post with an iron-clad belife that the wealthy coastal areas of Dublin do not have social housing.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:02pm

mariaalice wrote: »

There are loads of them, that is a very lazy assumption.

It a bit like the posers who post with an iron-clad belife that the wealthy coastal areas of Dublin do not have social housing.

Name them.

its_steve116 · 23-09-2020 1:05pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think the UK has regional accents on TV but, as you said, not very strong regional accents. But to be fair, you need to be well spoken to be on TV so even a regional accent sounds milder when well spoken. A well spoken Midlands accent will still sound like a Midlands accent but it is a lot milder than the accent of someone from a rough estate in the same town.

BBC has regional accents. They have laura kuenssberg as a main Westminster correspondent and the main nighttime news reader, Hue Edwards, has a Welsh accent.

When the BBC want to appeal to younger audiences they use regional accents too. Stacey dooley has an Essex accent and yer man Ben Zand has a pretty real Liverpool accent. Though they have to modify their accents to make sure they're understood easily.

She's actually from Luton in Bedfordshire.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:06pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2020/0124/1110569-mind-your-language/

This is an interesting piece from the AR-TEE-EE archives. Late late show in 1985. Yer man with the answers isn't a bit endearing but it illustrates the point about where th e RTE accent comes from.

WOW!

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 1:07pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Name them.

Are councilors politicians

jay0109 · 23-09-2020 1:09pm

Loads of Dublin accents in RTE...sure, Brid Smith, Aengus O'Snodaigh and their acolytes never seem to be out of the studios there

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:11pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Are councilors politicians

Well yes.

But i mean if you cant find tds it sort of proves my point.

But go ahead ..how many councilors ..for a city of over million have a working class dublin accent.

I mean a real accent not a faux one.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-09-2020 1:14pm

its_steve116 wrote: »

She's actually from Luton in Bedfordshire.

I'll take your word for it. It's certainly not the typical BBC accent.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:15pm

jay0109 wrote: »

Loads of Dublin accents in RTE...sure, Brid Smith, Aengus O'Snodaigh and their acolytes never seem to be out of the studios there

They don't have strong dublin accents.

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 1:16pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well yes.

But i mean if you cant find tds it sort of proves my point.

But go ahead ..how many councilors ..for a city of over million have a working class dublin accent.

I mean a real accent not a faux one.

They are there, don't look for prdjudist where non exists becaue there is enough of it in real life with out inventing more.

Bríd Smith TD would have a very Dublin accent that is one example.

jay0109 · 23-09-2020 1:17pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They don't have strong dublin accents.

They bleedin do, yerknowworoimeean

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 1:20pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They don't have strong dublin accents.

What sort of accents do they have? there are several dublin accents.

What about this this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrXLyAS7VN4

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:23pm

mariaalice wrote: »

They are there, don't look for prdjudist where non exists becaue there is enough of it in real life with out inventing more.

Bríd Smith TD would have a very Dublin accent that is one example.

She has NOT! Would you go away!

that is barely a dublin accent! IN NO WAY A WORKING CLASS ACCENT

Weepsie · 23-09-2020 1:23pm

Sky King wrote: »

The gore thee.

Actually... There was a fellah presentin prime time there last week or the week before that sounded like a proper taxi droiver pal, yeah?

I know him. Sound guy. Not your typical rte employee either. Worked as a reporter / researcher for AlJazerra news for a few years rather than relying on a relative to get him in the door

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:27pm

mariaalice wrote: »

What sort of accents do they have? there are several dublin accents.

What about this this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrXLyAS7VN4

I mean a working class dublin accent. A northside accent.

This is a middle class southside accent.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:29pm

Don't tell me you hear working class accents in dublin so little you don't even know them.

The reason its refered to as a strong dublin accent is the southside accent is influenced a lot by rural accents.

waynescales1 · 23-09-2020 1:33pm

Anyone who thinks Caitríona Perry has a "neutral" accent needs their head examined.

Lewis_Benson · 23-09-2020 1:35pm

Imagine this lad reading the news...

https://youtu.be/txjZxlxSt1Q

"An neow, over ta anto for de fookin weddor"

Anto:"ihs shih"

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 1:37pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I mean a working class dublin accent. A northside accent.

This is a middle class southside accent.

You here Gino Kenny as having a middle-class southside accent?

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:38pm

This is a beautiful perfect precious strong Dublin accent.

God bless it and preserve it!

Truthvader · 23-09-2020 1:41pm

I wouldn't be using Joe Duffy as an example of anything I was trying to promote

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 1:43pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Don't tell me you hear working class accents in dublin so little you don't even know them.

The reason its refered to as a strong dublin accent is the southside accent is influenced a lot by rural accents.

I work in what is considered a very working-class part of north side Dublin and the accents are varied among the locals.

What you seem to mean is why we don't hear a nasily (often associated with jukies ) Dublin accent but the thing is, it is not the majority accent in Dublin and is of recent origent.

Assetbacked · 23-09-2020 1:44pm

A lot of RTE Dubliners exaggerating the posh accent seem to come from the Northside. It is as if they have an inferiority complex and are so desperate to elevate themselves from the Northside stereotype (Caitriona Perry, Dermot Bannon, Aengus Mac Grianna etc).

Why aren't there more strong Dublin accents in the media?

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