What the fuKk happened to Great Britain ?

Westernworld. · 23-11-2020 9:58pm #1

I'd say after the UK breaks up they're looking at England splitting in 2 North /South

They don't seem to have a clue what they're doing

buried · 23-11-2020 10:03pm

'Great Britain' was a term coined by John Dee.

John Dee used to look into a mirror and claim he was talking to angels and demons.

That's what happened.

FunLover18 · 23-11-2020 10:06pm

Westernworld. wrote: »

I'd say after the UK breaks up they're looking at England splitting in 2 North /South

They don't seem to have a clue what they're doing

I watched Children of Men over the weekend, set in 2027 the UK has become a police state as the British Army rounds up and imprisons or executes immigrants. It won't happen but it's kinda scary how close this is to becoming a reality when you consider the Home Office ran campaigns telling people to report illegals immigrants, what happened the Windrush generation, and when you see boats carrying news reporters following and harassing boats full of asylum seekers.

atr2002 · 23-11-2020 10:06pm

buried wrote: »

'Great Britain' was a term coined by John Dee.

John Dee used to look into a mirror and claim he was talking to angels and demons.

That's what happened.

Great Briton refers to the large island, Brittany (Briton Ní) refers to small Briton.

Westernworld. · 23-11-2020 10:10pm

It's harsh as I grew up there myself but I think they have nothing if they're not taking it from someone else by force

buried · 23-11-2020 10:10pm

atr2002 wrote: »

Great Briton refers to the large island, Brittany (Britton Ní) refers to small Briton.

That's great man, but I'm talking about what Dee coined 'Great Britain' which included all the overseas areas they wanted to stamp their mirror worshipping faces all over, not 'Great Briton' or 'Brittany' or whatever else you are on about.

Smee_Again · 23-11-2020 10:13pm

buried wrote: »

That's great man, but I'm talking about what Dee coined 'Great Britain' which included all the overseas areas they wanted to stamp their mirror worshipping faces all over, not 'Great Briton' or 'Brittany' or whatever else you are on about.

Did Dee not coin British Empire?

ElJeffe · 23-11-2020 10:14pm

Go back asleep OP. They'll be grand.

atr2002 · 23-11-2020 10:14pm

Smee_Again wrote: »

Did Dee not coin British Empire?

Sure did

Smee_Again · 23-11-2020 10:15pm

atr2002 wrote: »

Sure did

Thought so. Don’t know what that other poster is talking about then.

buried · 23-11-2020 10:15pm

Smee_Again wrote: »

Did Dee not coin British Empire?

Its the same thing, 'The Great British Empire' is what he coined. That is where you get the direct result of ' Great Britain'. There was no 'Great Britain' before he coined the phrase in order to convince his queen to conquest the Americas.

23-11-2020 10:20pm

Its what happens when an Empire implodes in on itself, with a significant proportion refusing to accept whats happening, and still thinking they're Great Britain.

Stiff upper lip, some piping hot tea and crumpets, and Tally Ho Old boy isn't going to get them out of it.

Their politicians aren't serving them well either.
Pity, they're not the worst, other than an 800 year old neighbour dispute over property.

I think we should invade when they're at each others throats. Our armour would be in Milton Keynes before they realised what we were up to.

corner of hells · 23-11-2020 10:38pm

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Its what happens when an Empire implodes in on itself, with a significant proportion refusing to accept whats happening, and still thinking they're Great Britain.

Stiff upper lip, some piping hot tea and crumpets, and Tally Ho Old boy isn't going to get them out of it.

Their politicians aren't serving them well either.
Pity, they're not the worst, other than an 800 year old neighbour dispute over property.

I think we should invade when they're at each others throats. Our armour would be in Milton Keynes before they realised what we were up to.

You start the invasion, give us a shout after Christmas.

23-11-2020 10:39pm

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Its what happens when an Empire implodes in on itself, with a significant proportion refusing to accept whats happening, and still thinking they're Great Britain.

Stiff upper lip, some piping hot tea and crumpets, and Tally Ho Old boy isn't going to get them out of it.

Their politicians aren't serving them well either.
Pity, they're not the worst, other than an 800 year old neighbour dispute over property.

I think we should invade when they're at each others throats. Our armour would be in Milton Keynes before they realised what we were up to.

Our army would land in fishgaurd, get distracted in wales,go native and start shagging sheep

23-11-2020 10:42pm

corner of hells wrote: »

You start the invasion, give us a shout after Christmas.

I'm more a facilitator than hands dirty type.

23-11-2020 10:43pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Our army would land in fishgaurd, get distracted in wales,go native and start shagging sheep

Maybe we wont use any Connaught soldiers so.

rapul · 23-11-2020 10:44pm

All empires must fall and **** the British to be fair

Gregor Samsa · 23-11-2020 11:22pm

buried wrote: »

Its the same thing, 'The Great British Empire' is what he coined. That is where you get the direct result of ' Great Britain'. There was no 'Great Britain' before he coined the phrase in order to convince his queen to conquest the Americas.

Rubbish. The Greek cartographer and scientist Ptolemy referred to the island as “μεγάλη Βρεττανία” (megale Brettania - Great Britain) in his book Almagest from 147 AD. Interestingly enough, he referred to the island of Ireland as “μικρὰ Βρεττανία” meaning Little Britain.

Equivalents of the term “Great Britain” in various languages long precedes the British Empire, and denotes the relative size of the island, not ‘great’ in terms of excellence.

King James VI’s official title in 1604 was “King of Great Brittaine, France and Ireland”

Capt'n Midnight · 23-11-2020 11:29pm

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

I think we should invade when they're at each others throats. Our armour would be in Milton Keynes before they realised what we were up to.

Never going to happen.

How would we feed the prisoners ? The UK isn't self sufficient in food as it is.

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 23-11-2020 11:31pm

You colonise the world and the world colonises you.

Stihl waters · 23-11-2020 11:35pm

The decline started in 45 after the war

buried · 23-11-2020 11:37pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Rubbish. The Greek cartographer and scientist Ptolemy referred to the island as “μεγάλη Βρεττανία” (megale Brettania - Great Britain) in his book Almagest from 147 AD. Interestingly enough, he referred to the island of Ireland as “μικρὰ Βρεττανία” meaning Little Britain.

Equivalents of the term “Great Britain” in various languages long precedes the British Empire, and denotes the relative size of the island, not ‘great’ in terms of excellence.

It's not rubbish Gregor. Dee's usage of the term 'The Great British Empire' had literally nothing to do with what you are talking about. Ptolemy referred to a land called 'Britannia' which meant in the classical tongue 'Prittania' = the land of the printed people, which adhered to the print mark tattoo's on their faces and bodies. It had no 'Great' influxed into the term. The term 'Great Britain' and 'The Great British Empire' was coined by him to help convince Elizabeth the First to instigate a conquest of The America's based on the supposed conquest of a Welsh warlord and druid who supposedly discovered the continent of the America's 800 years previous. It is this term, the term of 'Great Britain', a term coined based on Dee's advice, a man who spoke into mirrors and believed he was talking to Gods, a man who is buried in a ditch somewhere on the bank of the Thames river, a term that afterwards was used by the likes of the EIA and their ilk to try to trample all over the face of the globe. Not Ptolemy. You cant blame the Greeks on this one. So get your facts straight before you go around throwing around labels such as 'rubbish' that are actually not.

Hqrry113 · 23-11-2020 11:37pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Our army would land in fishgaurd, get distracted in wales,go native and start shagging sheep

Not if we ask good aul Gerry to lead them

JasonStatham · 23-11-2020 11:41pm

Their government is incompetent. They mismanaged the country even before Brexit.

mcsean2163 · 23-11-2020 11:52pm

Westernworld. wrote: »

It's harsh as I grew up there myself but I think they have nothing if they're not taking it from someone else by force

It's a pyramid with the queen on top and everyone pushing and shoving to get closer to the top. The thing is, if they got on on top they'd be another despicable horror show that wouldn't help a single neighbouring family made homeless in Grenfell towers despite literally living in a palace.

Britain would be grand without the monarchy. Everybody could stop hating themselves.

buried · 23-11-2020 11:58pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

King James VI’s official title in 1604 was “King of Great Brittaine, France and Ireland”

Well done for proving my point with your edit. Elizabeth ruled until 1603, so no doubt Jamesy carried the Bull$hit with him in 1604.

Gregor Samsa · 24-11-2020 12:08am

buried wrote: »

Well done for proving my point with your edit. Elizabeth ruled until 1603, so no doubt Jamesy carried the Bull$hit with him in 1604.

How about the reference in 1474, in the proposal for marriage between the daughter of Edward IV of England and the son of James III of Scotland which said “this Nobill Isle, callit Gret Britanee” ? Dee have a time machine?

Face it, there’s loads of actual evidence the term was in use - in English and other languages - long before the Empire. You’re talking rubbish.

24-11-2020 12:11am

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

I think we should invade when they're at each others throats. Our armour would be in Milton Keynes before they realised what we were up to.

What armour?

buried · 24-11-2020 12:15am

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

How about the reference in 1474, in the proposal for marriage between the daughter of Edward IV of England and the son of James III of Scotland which said “this Nobill Isle, callit Gret Britanee” ? Dee have a time machine?

Face it, there’s loads of actual evidence the term was in use - in English and other languages - long before the Empire. You’re talking rubbish.

Nah man, you'd want to start facing the fact that the term of 'Great Britain' the term of 'The Great British Empire' was coined by a lunatic. So its not so difficult to gleam where ye ended up. The term of 'Great Britain' used in its former and now defunct form for the conquest of the globe didn't start when Ptolmey or Edward IV were out and about, and the place of 'Gret Britania' was nothing but a sheep rearing swamp, the term was coined for conquest of other nations, and that term was coined by a lad who looked into mirrors and believed he was talking to a God. Dee probably did think he had a time machine. He was certainly f**ked up enough in the head to think he had. And what thanks did he get for it? Buried in a ditch and his house burned.

Gregor Samsa · 24-11-2020 12:25am

buried wrote: »

Nah man, you'd want to start facing the fact that the term of 'Great Britain' the term of 'The Great British Empire' was coined by a lunatic. So its not so difficult to gleam where ye ended up. The term of 'Great Britain' used in its former and now defunct form for the conquest of the globe didn't start when Ptolmey or Edward IV were out and about, and the place of 'Gret Britania' was nothing but a sheep rearing swamp, the term was coined for conquest of other nations, and that term was coined by a lad who looked into mirrors and believed he was talking to a God. Dee probably did think he had a time machine. He was certainly f**ked up enough in the head to think he had. And what thanks did he get for it? Buried in a ditch and his house burned.

But Dee didn’t use the term “Great British Empire”, and the Empire never had that title! Dee coined the term “Brytanici Imperii” - the British Empire. He didn’t use the term “Great” in relation to it. “Great Britain” was and is specifically the island. You’re whole argument is based on a misunderstanding of the term he used.

buried · 24-11-2020 12:32am

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

But Dee didn’t use the term “Great British Empire”, and the Empire never had that title! Dee coined the term “Brytanici Imperii” - the British Empire. He didn’t use the term “Great” in relation to it. “Great Britain” was and is specifically the island. You’re whole argument is based on a misunderstanding of the term he used.

Its not a misunderstanding. The term the Great British Empire was coined from the fact he chose to refer to it as a 'Empire'. That's where 'The Great British Empire' originates from. That is the history of it. That is the fact of it. Your argument was that the Greeks coined it back in the time of ancient Greece or the Noman kings were about, a time when the island was as p!ss poor as any other small island on the fringes of nowhere.

PsychoPete · 24-11-2020 12:35am

They invaded a few countries then got notions

Gregor Samsa · 24-11-2020 12:36am

buried wrote: »

Its not a misunderstanding. The term the Great British Empire was coined from the fact he chose to refer to it as a 'Empire'. That's where 'The Great British Empire' originates from. That is the history of it. That is the fact of it. Your argument was that the Greeks coined it back in the time of ancient Greece or the Noman kings were about, a time when the island was as p!ss poor as any other small island on the fringes of nowhere.

But no one used or uses the term “Great British Empire”!!!

It was just called the “British Empire”. By everyone. You’ve just decided to change the name of the Empire for some reason!

selectamatic · 24-11-2020 12:39am

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Maybe we wont use any Connaught soldiers so.

Seems to me like you'd be on the other side anyways judging by the way you spell Connacht :pac:

buried · 24-11-2020 12:40am

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

But no one used or uses the term “Great British Empire”!!!

It was just called the “British Empire”. By everyone. You’ve just decided to change the name of the Empire for some reason!

Jesus f**king christ man, I didn't decide it. Your boy John Dee decided it and every other gadge after him ran with it. That's how your 'Empire' came about. Don't go blaming me just because you just found out about it. How do you mean 'everyone'? Who is 'everyone'.

completedit · 24-11-2020 12:44am

One of the most extraordinary countries in this world. A nation of shopkeepers to the greatest empire the world has ever known. A hugely influential country which gave birth to the language that has become the first truly global language. All dogs have their day and Britain's is over but lived like a lion they definitely did.

Alf Veedersane · 24-11-2020 12:45am

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Rubbish. The Greek cartographer and scientist Ptolemy referred to the island as “μεγάλη Βρεττανία” (megale Brettania - Great Britain) in his book Almagest from 147 AD. Interestingly enough, he referred to the island of Ireland as “μικρὰ Βρεττανία” meaning Little Britain.

Gregor Samsa · 24-11-2020 12:47am

buried wrote: »

Jesus f**king christ man, I didn't decide it. Your boy John Dee decided it and every other gadge after him ran with it. That's how your 'Empire' came about. don't go blaming me just because you just found out about it. How do you mean 'everyone'? Who is 'everyone'.

Let’s be clear. John Dee coined the term “British Empire”. He did not use the term “Great British Empire”. Great Britain is the island, the British Empire was the Empire. There was no Great British Empire. This is the simple fact of the matter, and I really don’t know how to explain it in a more basic way.

I know this won’t convince you, so I’ll leave it there at that.

Quantum Erasure · 24-11-2020 12:52am

Stihl waters wrote: »

The decline started in 45 after the war

That when the Roman's arrived?

Hamsterchops · 24-11-2020 12:57am

Westernworld. wrote: »

What the fuKk happened to Great Britain ?

I'd say after the UK breaks up they're looking at England splitting in 2 North /South

They don't seem to have a clue what they're doing

Cheap weed from the Dutch, that's what happened + the Eaton boys taking over operations. The Dutch have always been sore since New York was not named New Amsterdam, and now finally they have got their revenge on Great Britain by selling them cheap weed laced with LSD and other sh1t that Boris & the Eaton brigade are addicted to.

I like Jack Dee, I also like Kiki Dee

sligojoek · 24-11-2020 1:02am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

That when the Roman's arrived?

What did they ever do for Britain?

Hamsterchops · 24-11-2020 1:04am

Straight roads, togas, Turkish Roman baths and I Claudius..

sligojoek · 24-11-2020 1:18am

Jimmy's the lad to sort them out.

Only he died last week.

RIP Geoffrey Palmer.

branie2 · 24-11-2020 1:31am

I don't see anything wrong with them

Graces7 · 24-11-2020 10:49am

completedit wrote: »

One of the most extraordinary countries in this world. A nation of shopkeepers to the greatest empire the world has ever known. A hugely influential country which gave birth to the language that has become the first truly global language. All dogs have their day and Britain's is over but lived like a lion they definitely did.

Makes me sad reading this. Thank you.

It got so overcrowded. I moved to Cornwall around 1980 but it got crowded there too... So then I went all the way up to Orkney in 1990. Only that was filling up with all the folk seeking to escape the crowds...

So I came to Ireland at the millenium… a good move. Still open spaces.

Seeing the UK on news etc and youtube items I would hardly recognise it now and would never ever return.
Hard to quantify.

Hamsterchops · 24-11-2020 10:58am

Thanks for that Graces7, sad but obviously true by your experience.
Tip, the IOW is still free of crowds.

Graces7 · 24-11-2020 12:25pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Thanks for that Graces7, sad but obviously true by your experience.
Tip, the IOW is still free of crowds.

Ah thanks but I am too old for any more moves! 80 is in sight...When I see the UK on news etc. I guess I just did not grow with it. But then living things change.

24-11-2020 12:37pm

When is the invasion starting?

Will they be on the 8am ferry or the 8pm?

whisky_galore · 24-11-2020 1:00pm

Aegir wrote: »

What armour?

A small collection of apcs backed up by Collins' armoured car.

Wibbs · 24-11-2020 1:08pm

completedit wrote: »

A nation of shopkeepers to the greatest empire the world has ever known.

Actually the "nation of shopkeepers" bit was as much a compliment(possibly by Napoleon, but the jury's out) as anything. That their empire was built on commerce. All long lasting empires are. Rome's straight roads and huge sea ports were as much if not more to do with trade than the military. Though Britain's empire didn't last very long. That said England's rate of progress from a piss poor rain soaked island on the edge of Europe at the time of Elisabeth the 1st to the world power a few centuries later is bloody impressive. At the time of Lizzie the King of Spain's entertainment budget would have come close to swamping her military one. The speed at which they lost it is equally if negatively impressive. Though the Spanish, Portuguese and French lost theirs just as rapidly. China is the only one that kept ans still has hers.

A hugely influential country which gave birth to the language that has become the first truly global language

Well the language going global is more to do with America and latterly the internet which was driven by mostly American anglophones.

Feisar · 24-11-2020 1:22pm

I thought WW2 was the beginning of the end.

A superpower before the war, not so afterwards.
Principles like self determination don't really congruent with the idea of an empire.
The death of industry.

What the fuKk happened to Great Britain ?

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