Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users

RandRuns · 15-02-2021 6:03pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

There could have been some intent in it.
I had a Red Setter at the time and I felt that he was very upset that the villain of the piece Cardinal Richlieu was portrated by a Red Setter .
Come to think of it the Man with the Black Moustache, that definitely could have racial connotations too.

He should set up an NGO, claim discrimation, and get paid to whine (literally in his case).

There's thousands at it, why not him?

MisterAnarchy · 15-02-2021 6:13pm

Predator 5 to have a teenage female lead :rolleyes:

https://screenrant.com/predator-5-movie-story-details-reveal-comanche-tribe/

Predator 5 will focus on a character named Kee and her younger brother Taabe. Kee is described as a tomboy, who fights against gender norms to prove that she can be just as strong as any male Comanche warrior

When will the madness end.

silverharp · 15-02-2021 6:46pm

Some dude: "Hey remember how successful a Feminist-centric Terminator, Dr.Who, Ghostbusters, and Men-In-Black were?"

Disney: LET'S RUIN PREDATOR TOO! BRILLIANT!

Invidious · 15-02-2021 6:58pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

When will the madness end.

It will end when these woke movies and TV series lose so much money that nobody will fund them anymore. Go woke and go broke.

Any movie whose premise is drawn from the fantasy world of woke equality, such as where a teenage girl sets out to "prove that she can be just as strong as any male Comanche warrior," stretches credibility beyond breaking point.

biko · 15-02-2021 7:12pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Predator 5 to have a teenage female lead :rolleyes:

That's not a problem. There is no precedence for Predator leads, they change in every movie.

The problem would be if they remade the first movie, but swapped Arnold for Gina Carano.
That's what we are discussing. Replacing people with other people to appear more PC.

MisterAnarchy · 15-02-2021 7:24pm

biko wrote: »

That's not a problem. There is no precedence for Predator leads, they change in every movie.

The problem would be if they remade the first movie, but swapped Arnold for Gina Carano.
That's what we are discussing. Replacing people with other people to appear more PC.

Of course its a problem.

Its woke nonsense.

A teenage girl is no match for a Predator.

The Predator in the original film butchered a team of top commandos, Arnie was beaten to a pulp and only just managed to defeat the Predator.
Now some tomboy girl is going to be a physical match as its set hundreds of years ago pre guns.

Its ludicrous.

Barna77 · 15-02-2021 7:29pm

In The Three Musketeers and the series about Sherlock Holmes the dogs were all from different breeds.

God, they started the woke movement ...

Childhood ruined

COVID · 15-02-2021 7:38pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Of course its a problem.

Its woke nonsense.

A teenage girl is no match for a Predator.

The Predator in the original film butchered a team of top commandos, Arnie was beaten to a pulp and only just managed to defeat the Predator.
Now some tomboy girl is going to be a physical match as its set hundreds of years ago pre guns.

Its ludicrous.

A teenage girl can be a match for anyone, believe me, I know what I'm talking about.

iagreebut · 15-02-2021 7:41pm

Why don't SJWs, and the WOKE not like good teeth ??

Because they're straight and white

gw80 · 15-02-2021 7:43pm

COVID wrote: »

A teenage girl can be a match for anyone, believe me, I know what I'm talking about.

I hope your on the register,
No means no, covid

COVID · 15-02-2021 7:45pm

gw80 wrote: »

I hope your on the register,
No means no, covid

I hope you're on it, for thinking such things!

15-02-2021 8:07pm

There's two different agendas at play.

We've got the woke feminist agenda, which places women in roles which they're completely unsuitable to represent in any kind of realistic manner. A slim woman in high heels kicking the crap out of a group of heavily muscled men, matching strength, and coming out with barely a scrape. It's fine where you have a woman who obviously has the body and training to fight (like Gina Carano), although even there, they'd likely stretch credibility in many cases. However, instead, the focus is on small average type women being able to toe the line with someone much stronger than them.

Then there's the woke race agenda, which is placing Black people in roles which were specifically written for white people. Either they're replacing a role from a past movie, or replacing the role that was written by the author.

Now, I think there's many great Black actors... and they should have more screentime, although TBH I've seen heaps of trailers recently with black actors involved, so I don't see the need to replace white actors in those roles designed for them. God knows, Hollywood has released a lot of crap over the last few years.. wouldn't it make more sense to have roles and storylines that were written with Black people in mind?

The problem with inserting Black people into historical roles is because it signals a desire for revisionism with regards to history. I would prefer that they represented history for what it was.. not how some woke muppet wants it to be.

1800_Ladladlad · 15-02-2021 8:25pm

"Update"

njbj

Rothko · 15-02-2021 8:31pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

"Update"

njbj

Don't really see anything woke about that tbh.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 8:37pm

Rothko wrote: »

Don't really see anything woke about that tbh.

Yeah two young leaders of their field to be fair

COVID · 15-02-2021 8:45pm

Rothko wrote: »

Don't really see anything woke about that tbh.

So glad you said that, I thought I was missing something.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 8:48pm

COVID wrote: »

So glad you said that, I thought I was missing something.

I assume they’re the writers too

ExMachina1000 · 15-02-2021 9:06pm

biko wrote: »

https://twitter. com/KilljoyLottie/status/1360307592883564547

This girl seems fine with a black actress playing a white part, until it hits here where she lives.

Of course black actors can play white characters but if its supposed to be historically factual then it doesn't really work.

But should be the same the other way around. I'd like to see Bruce Willis as lead in a malcolm x remake. Do you think anyone would kick up a fuss?

Nelson Mandela played by Kevin James?

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 9:13pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Of course black actors can play white characters but if its supposed to be historically factual then it doesn't really work.

But should be the same the other way around. I'd like to see Bruce Willis as lead in a malcolm x remake. Do you think anyone would kick up a fuss?

Nelson Mandela played by Kevin James?

When black people feel equal then yes I guess

ExMachina1000 · 15-02-2021 9:22pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

When black people feel equal then yes I guess

So black actors can play white characters but white actors can't play black characters.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you :discrimination based on race

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 9:41pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

So black actors can play white characters but white actors can't play black characters.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you :discrimination based on race

Not quite it’s just an era of correction and balance , be grand in a few years

15-02-2021 9:41pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

When black people feel equal then yes I guess

And they're going to feel equal by giving them help/benefits that are not available to White people? By elevating Black people above White people.. suggesting that they need that extra help in quotas, diversity initiatives, race specific scholarship... etc. By replacing White roles in movies/TV with Black people... that's going to promote the belief that White and Black people are equal?

Err..

Sir Oxman · 15-02-2021 9:46pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

When black people feel equal then yes I guess

Oh, the simplicity.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 9:48pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And they're going to feel equal by giving them help/benefits that are not available to White people? By elevating Black people above White people.. suggesting that they need that extra help in quotas, diversity initiatives, race specific scholarship... etc. By replacing White roles in movies/TV with Black people... that's going to promote the belief that White and Black people are equal?

Err..

Let me explain it in simple terms , you have a drama class of 100 students graduating this year 2021 and when going for roles they’re told whites take these roles , blacks these ones , Asians over there etc , it literally makes no sense whatsoever to students growing up these days, it’s old school

RandRuns · 15-02-2021 9:52pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

When black people feel equal then yes I guess

LOL.

I hope you mean that as a joke, otherwise you must be the most innocent person on the planet.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 9:53pm

RandRuns wrote: »

LOL.

I hope you mean that as a joke, otherwise you must be the most innocent person on the planet.

Not at all it’s been the experience of many actors over the years

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 9:55pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And they're going to feel equal by giving them help/benefits that are not available to White people? By elevating Black people above White people.. suggesting that they need that extra help in quotas, diversity initiatives, race specific scholarship... etc. By replacing White roles in movies/TV with Black people... that's going to promote the belief that White and Black people are equal?

Err..

A job isn’t a benefit

silverharp · 15-02-2021 10:05pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Not quite it’s just an era of correction and balance , be grand in a few years

because thats the way power works :pac:

Rothko · 15-02-2021 10:08pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Let me explain it in simple terms , you have a drama class of 100 students graduating this year 2021 and when going for roles they’re told whites take these roles , blacks these ones , Asians over there etc , it literally makes no sense whatsoever to students growing up these days, it’s old school

It doesn't make sense to have Anne Boleyn to be played why a white woman?

Invidious · 15-02-2021 10:08pm

Did black people really benefit from Kenny Leon's all-black Shakespeare in the Park production of Much Ado About Nothing? Did women benefit from Phyllida Lloyd's all-female version of Julius Caesar at the Donmar? Or did it just teach black and female actors that they can make a living off woke productions of these plays designed to favor their identity and exclude everyone else?

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 10:09pm

Invidious wrote: »

Did black people really benefit from Kenny Leon's all-black Shakespeare in the Park production of Much Ado About Nothing? Did women benefit from Phyllida Lloyd's all-female version of Julius Caesar at the Donmar? Or did it just teach black and female actors that they can make a living off woke productions of these plays designed to favor their identity and exclude everyone else?

Or is it just art ?

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 10:09pm

Rothko wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to have Anne Boleyn to be played why a white woman?

Why not ?

Rodney Bathgate · 15-02-2021 10:09pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

So black actors can play white characters but white actors can't play black characters.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you :discrimination based on race

i.e. Racism.

Tony EH · 15-02-2021 10:11pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Yeah two young leaders of their field to be fair

Yeh, but one is black...shock horror. :eek:

Invidious · 15-02-2021 10:12pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Why not ?

How about a movie about Martin Luther King, starring Tom Cruise in the lead role? You'd support that too, right?

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 10:18pm

Invidious wrote: »

How about a movie about Martin Luther King, starring Tom Cruise in the lead role? You'd support that too, right?

And right back to square one we go

Rodney Bathgate · 15-02-2021 10:21pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

And right back to square one we go

Give an answer that makes sense this time and that might not happen again.

Wibbs · 15-02-2021 10:22pm

Invidious wrote: »

How about a movie about Martin Luther King, starring Tom Cruise in the lead role? You'd support that too, right?

Actually that might be interesting, if you set it in a world that was majority Black and Blacks were in the seats of power and influence. Another might be to cast a White guy in the role of Othello, again in an otherwise Black ensemble cast. Turn the tables. Though in both cases there would be good artistic and dramatic reasons to argue for it and the casting would be deliberately skewed to make an audience see things in a different way and would be directly commenting on "race" and perceptions around it.

Now if they cast Tom Cruise as King with a straight face surrounded by Black followers, a Black wife and kids etc, giving speeches to Black audiences as if nothing was amiss or out of place, then that would be majorly WTF? Casting a Black woman as Anne Boleyn is in this latter category in my humble. It's pure stunt casting for attention and virtue signalling, though I'd bet it's almost entirely for attention and free advertising. And it's working.

Tony EH · 15-02-2021 10:24pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Why not ?

Because there's a whole host of problems with it.

Boleyn was a white woman who existed. She was married to a white king, who also existed, in a time when there were very few or no people with sub Saharan features in the country and even if there were, they CERTAINLY wouldn't have been hitching up with any royalty.

At its very least level, it just looks silly. At it's worst, it creates a huge historical anachronism that absolutely impossible to ignore...and all in an effort for a TV station to appear right on and generate a little bit of inevitable controversy for their upcoming show.

But it's especially galling if one has an actual interest in history and likes to see period dramatisations produced with as much accuracy as possible and arguably one of the easiest ways to try and achieve that is to try and reflect the people of the times as they appeared.

I've said it before, but this is like having Brendan Gleeson play someone like Cetshwayo in a modern retelling of 'Zulu'. It would look equally stupid, regardless of the talent of the actor/actress in question.

jam_mac_jam · 15-02-2021 10:25pm

I think there is a difference between a fictional character and a historical figure. Especially with such a well known figure.

It's just a bit stupid as it takes you out of the story more.

Wibbs · 15-02-2021 10:31pm

Nulson Mundala wrote: »

When the media wants to show diversity, why do they always cast a white woman and black man couple?

Why not Asian man and black woman? Or Arab woman and white man?

Is the black man/white couple seen as the safest bet?

Black men may be seen as a threatening, or fetishised as exotic or seen as more manly, but Black women are far less visible, it seems they're less attractive to advertisers and majority White audiences in majority White countries. Or that's what advertisers think. Black women commentators have long noted this. Black women also have a tendency to have their skin colour lightened in photos and very rarely will you see a Black woman in the media with her natural curly hair. When I thought about this recently coming off another thread, the only one I could think off the top of my head on the telly is one of the actresses on the SciFi series The Expanse, Dominique Tipper.

Dominique-Tipper-Headshot.jpg?fit=720%2C900&ssl=1

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 10:31pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Because there's a whole host of problems with it.

Boleyn was a white woman who existed. She was married to a white king, who also existed, in a time when there were very few or no people with sub Saharan features in the country and even if there were, they CERTAINLY wouldn't have been hitching up with any royalty.

At its very least level, it just looks silly. At it's worst, it creates a huge historical anachronism that absolutely impossible to ignore...and all in an effort for a TV station to appear right on and generate a little bit of inevitable controversy for their upcoming show.

But it's especially galling if one has an actual interest in history and likes to see period dramatisations produced with as much accuracy as possible and arguably one of the easiest ways to try and achieve that is to try and reflect the people of the times as they appeared.

I've said it before, but this is like having Brendan Gleeson play someone like Cetshwayo in a modern retelling of 'Zulu'. It would look equally stupid, regardless of the talent of the actor/actress in question.

It really isn’t that big a deal who plays who as long as the best person gets the job , you can lag behind or get with the way things are going

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 10:31pm

Nulson Mundala wrote: »

I saw a tv documentary about William the Conqueror where an emissary was portrayed by a black actor. I turned it off. It's just too ridiculous having a historical documentary where a European courtier is portrayed by a black actor.

That really is your own business

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 10:33pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Give an answer that makes sense this time and that might not happen again.

I did way back

15-02-2021 10:34pm

46 Long wrote: »

He was more an Anglo supremacist, but fair enough.

ExMachina1000 · 15-02-2021 10:36pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I think there is a difference between a fictional character and a historical figure. Especially with such a well known figure.

It's just a bit stupid as it takes you out of the story more.

Exactly.

If it's just any old action movie or thriller etc then anyone can play anyone. It would be decided by the script anyway.

AllForIt · 15-02-2021 10:36pm

Has anyone else noticed media pundits using the word lives in place of people? Today this was in relation to 'lives' dealing with the pandemic, not in relation to what you might think.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 10:37pm

Nulson Mundala wrote: »

True. But as someone with an interest in history, it's sad when the producers put in gaslighting woke bs.

But it's ok, I just bypass the mainstream and get other content from youtube etc.

Mainstream is sh1te though

Ash.J.Williams · 15-02-2021 10:37pm

AllForIt wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed media pundits using the word lives in place of people? Today this was in relation to 'lives' dealing with the pandemic, not in relation to what you might think.

No

stefanovich · 15-02-2021 10:38pm

Nulson Mundala wrote: »

I saw a tv documentary about William the Conqueror where an emissary was portrayed by a black actor. I turned it off. It's just too ridiculous having a historical documentary where a European courtier is portrayed by a black actor.

It’s factually incorrect. I’d prefer if historical dramas were historical.

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