!! Irish / Gaeilge HL ... predictions, guesses, discussion ...

Blue giant · 19-05-2015 12:19pm

jgirl18 wrote: »

Hi guys,

Can anyone help, i'm a mature student going back to repeat my Irish but i've found no notes whatsoever on A Thig Na Thit Orm. I can see that the pattern over the past number of years has been questions on his humor and about him growing up in the Ghaelteacht. Do you think that is what will come up again this year or could they just decide change it and ask about England and USA? Also, how much would you want to be writing on this question?

Also, is there any chance anyone is studying Lasaire Choille for the pros?

Thanks so much in advance.

You only have to read the first 8 chapters of the book. That means that all that can come up is stuff about him growing up, school, humour, social/economic situation in the Gaeltacht and the summer of 1958. You don't have to worry about anything after that.

jgirl18 · 19-05-2015 1:39pm

Thanks so much for that, it's hard studying outside of a class so would never have known that:-)

dory · 19-05-2015 2:49pm

jgirl18 wrote: »

Hi guys,

Can anyone help, i'm a mature student going back to repeat my Irish but i've found no notes whatsoever on A Thig Na Thit Orm. I can see that the pattern over the past number of years has been questions on his humor and about him growing up in the Ghaelteacht. Do you think that is what will come up again this year or could they just decide change it and ask about England and USA? Also, how much would you want to be writing on this question?

Also, is there any chance anyone is studying Lasaire Choille for the pros?

Thanks so much in advance.

Just know as many events as possible; first day at school, fishing with his dad, the bosa ceoil, stealing the eggs, bit about what he got upto in the ceirdscoil and something about that summer he was playing music in the Irish college.

jgirl18 · 19-05-2015 4:20pm

You know for the poetry questions, how much roughly do they suggest you write for each. I have tones of notes and I feel like i'm bombarding my brain with this and the pros. Thanks guys. :-)

Frainc · 19-05-2015 4:40pm

jgirl18 wrote: »

You know for the poetry questions, how much roughly do they suggest you write for each. I have tones of notes and I feel like i'm bombarding my brain with this and the pros. Thanks guys. :-)

Poetry is only worth 30 Marks, so consider that your essay is worth 100 Marks, whatever 30% of your essay is. The poetry question can be three separate questions and you'd judge length based on the value of the question. for example, one of the questions is worth 6 Marks. Obviously they are just looking for a paragraph for that one.

ImRebecca · 19-05-2015 5:29pm

What part of grammar is 'gur' and 'go' from in Irish? Like what's it called?

Magnate · 19-05-2015 6:18pm

ImRebecca wrote: »

What part of grammar is 'gur' and 'go' from in Irish? Like what's it called?

Caint Indíreach

jgirl18 · 20-05-2015 9:29am

Hi guys,

I'm an external candidate repeating and I was wondering if you have any advice on things like pros and poetry, essays. I'm wondering if i'll be ok to just study 3 poems, and 2 pros. Panick stations.

ThatsTheShtuff · 20-05-2015 11:27am

Frainc wrote: »

Poetry is only worth 30 Marks, so consider that your essay is worth 100 Marks, whatever 30% of your essay is. The poetry question can be three separate questions and you'd judge length based on the value of the question. for example, one of the questions is worth 6 Marks. Obviously they are just looking for a paragraph for that one.

I still think its the most ridiculous thing ever that we could have to write 3/4 pages for the poetry question in the written paper, yet we get the SAME MARKS for reading one of the poems in the oral, that takes a total of about 45 seconds to say!

RoRo979 · 20-05-2015 11:33am

Stooped wrote: »

How long should I spend on the comprehensions?

do the comphrehensions last definately, many students do it first and have feck all time left for the poetr/prose. Just getting everything out of the way in the other sections, lets say 30 minutes for poetry, 30 prose, then 35-40 for extra literature. calculate rest of time left, minus 10/15 minutes then divide it by 2 and spend that much time on each on, If its not finished in that time move on to next one regardless. Then when time runs out in the other one scramble to write in whatever you can, keep in mind q6 can be quickly dont by skimming.

RoRo979 · 20-05-2015 11:37am

ThatsTheShtuff wrote: »

I still think its the most ridiculous thing ever that we could have to write 3/4 pages for the poetry question in the written paper, yet we get the SAME MARKS for reading one of the poems in the oral, that takes a total of about 45 seconds to say!

i completely agree with the mark allocation but sure, if anything its a benfit for us, they would only drop the marks for the oral poem and add it the the studied one which noone wants haha. As for 3/4 pages i think that is absolute overkill imo, life of the poet( which should come up, no guaranteed of course) 6 lines lets say. Then the primary theme/emotion, maybe 1/3 - 2/3 of a page for that, and whatever the other question is i plan on just bringing it to a page and a half. Of course the marc allocation may differ thus differing the length but i did that in the mocks and got the majority of the marks. page and a half for poetry and pros and got 23 and 24 which is all im looking for. Now for the extra poems, if anyone is doind them..... First question "should" be main them, how long we talking? should be 20 marks so full a4? then the next question which most likely "what is meant by these lines" that just like 2/3 lines then? is it just directly translate into "easier" irish or must we go into an alalysis of them then?

jgirl18 · 20-05-2015 1:43pm

Great info, thanks. So if you do two questions on the Prose, how much do they want you to write per question? I will definitely be working backwards with the paper 2.

ThatsTheShtuff · 20-05-2015 5:31pm

RoRo979 wrote: »

i completely agree with the mark allocation but sure, if anything its a benfit for us, they would only drop the marks for the oral poem and add it the the studied one which noone wants haha. As for 3/4 pages i think that is absolute overkill imo, life of the poet( which should come up, no guaranteed of course) 6 lines lets say. Then the primary theme/emotion, maybe 1/3 - 2/3 of a page for that, and whatever the other question is i plan on just bringing it to a page and a half. Of course the marc allocation may differ thus differing the length but i did that in the mocks and got the majority of the marks. page and a half for poetry and pros and got 23 and 24 which is all im looking for. Now for the extra poems, if anyone is doind them..... First question "should" be main them, how long we talking? should be 20 marks so full a4? then the next question which most likely "what is meant by these lines" that just like 2/3 lines then? is it just directly translate into "easier" irish or must we go into an alalysis of them then?

'Minigh na linte' (meaning of lines) is pretty much just breaking down the lines asked for into simpler irish, like you would do with an English poem.
My teacher reckons its between Colmain and Caoineadh for the extra poetry, and she's never wrong, so give them a bit of time! In the case of Colmain, questions would be Metaphors, Feelings, Main Theme, obviously Minigh na Linte, but a very possible Q to look out for is Can you relate to the poem/Does it bring out any feelings in you? In which case, you just make up a personal story about having a pet at home, and how differently you treat him to the cat! :-D

In the case of Caoineadh, a big Q and a likely one, is 'Treithe na gCaointe', traits of a lament. Know about 10 of these, it could be the big mark Q.

Totally get where you're coming from about the marking system for Poetry in the oral, i shouldn't be complaining at all, they're the easiest marks earned of the whole Leaving Cert, if done correctly of course! I happen to have seen the mark my examiner wrote down, and i'm very happy with it ;P

RoRo979 · 20-05-2015 9:00pm

minigh na línte for caoineadh..... that will be some work

ye if it asks can i relate ill just take some stuff from geibheann and talk about how people feel alienated and trapped in scoiety

Katezz · 20-05-2015 9:09pm

How long roughly should an triail answers be?

neverfinished · 20-05-2015 9:40pm

I would definitely answer the comprehensions first. Yes they do take a lot of time but they are worth 16.6% for the two of them so they are worth doing well. Next do the extra prose question at 6.6% and follow that with the regular poetry and prose questions as they are worth only 5% each.

ThatsTheShtuff · 20-05-2015 10:36pm

neverfinished wrote: »

I would definitely answer the comprehensions first. Yes they do take a lot of time but they are worth 16.6% for the two of them so they are worth doing well. Next do the extra prose question at 6.6% and follow that with the regular poetry and prose questions as they are worth only 5% each.

when you put it like that, it's actually crazy how little so much study is worth!!

orangey24 · 21-05-2015 9:32am

Has anyone got notes on gafa?

also for essays on seandaoine and the health system possibly?

nokia211 · 22-05-2015 6:13pm

I know basically what happens in the poem but what exactly happens in the end?
Who are the croppies? and does he go to france to fight against the english.
Thanks
Please help!

rionakearney · 23-05-2015 3:26pm

Just wondering if anyone has any tips on answering the Question 6s on the comprehensions? So stuck! Thank you ðŸ‘

jgirl18 · 23-05-2015 5:16pm

Hi guys, anybody know if you need to be able to talk about the troubles in the north in general for Gnathrud or just keep it to what's happening in the ghearsceil.

Chancer3001 · 24-05-2015 12:22pm

jgirl18 wrote: »

Hi guys, anybody know if you need to be able to talk about the troubles in the north in general for Gnathrud or just keep it to what's happening in the ghearsceil.

Keep it to the story

Magnate · 24-05-2015 1:02pm

jgirl18 wrote: »

Hi guys, anybody know if you need to be able to talk about the troubles in the north in general for Gnathrud or just keep it to what's happening in the ghearsceil.

It depends on the question. I remember one year it was about the title, and you were expected to talk about both how Jimmy's routine is the usual thing for him, but also how random sectarian murders were the usual thing in Belfast at the time. You might get away with just talking about the story, but I doubt it'd get you the A.

Magnate · 24-05-2015 1:35pm

rionakearney wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone has any tips on answering the Question 6s on the comprehensions? So stuck! Thank you ðŸ‘

Lookup loads of past questions and make a list of all the possible types of words they can ask you. Then check the marking scheme so you have an example or two of each type of word and learn that list. In the exam all you'll have to do is look for words that are similar to the ones you learned. That's what I do anyway.

RoRo979 · 24-05-2015 4:09pm

Magnate wrote: »

It depends on the question. I remember one year it was about the title, and you were expected to talk about both how Jimmy's routine is the usual thing for him, but also how random sectarian murders were the usual thing in Belfast at the time. You might get away with just talking about the story, but I doubt it'd get you the A.

i would moreso think you should not go into it too much, stick with the story but mention little bits about it "seicteach atá ann mar ní raibh Jimmy pairteach go plolatiúil. Tá fhios orainn gur gnáthimeacht é sin sa threimhse sin. Cruthaítear atmaisfear comhthíoch, pictiúr sceirdiúil de shaol na cathrach le linn the threimhse sin.

Is é teama an fhoréigean an teama is laidre sa scéal seo. Is teama uilíoch é sa chúis go bhfaighimid léiriú ar fhoréigean na cathracht, áit a marítear daoine soineanta go fánach, gan cúis ar bith"

stuff like that, i wouldnt go on about, oh the troubles started this year, this even happened which further escalated the roubles, then bloody sunday etc, i would go more than one point off e.g dont make a point of a point about the story regarding troubles in the north.

Questions: Dánta breise - do we need to know life of the poet? is that a possible question or is it only for filíocht ainmhithe?

Magnate · 24-05-2015 5:47pm

RoRo979 wrote: »

i would moreso think you should not go into it too much, stick with the story but mention little bits about it "seicteach atá ann mar ní raibh Jimmy pairteach go plolatiúil. Tá fhios orainn gur gnáthimeacht é sin sa threimhse sin. Cruthaítear atmaisfear comhthíoch, pictiúr sceirdiúil de shaol na cathrach le linn the threimhse sin.

Is é teama an fhoréigean an teama is laidre sa scéal seo. Is teama uilíoch é sa chúis go bhfaighimid léiriú ar fhoréigean na cathracht, áit a marítear daoine soineanta go fánach, gan cúis ar bith"

stuff like that, i wouldnt go on about, oh the troubles started this year, this even happened which further escalated the roubles, then bloody sunday etc, i would go more than one point off e.g dont make a point of a point about the story regarding troubles in the north.

Questions: Dánta breise - do we need to know life of the poet? is that a possible question or is it only for filíocht ainmhithe?

Ah yeah that's what I meant, obviously don't go into detail about the troubles but make reference to it at least. I don't do dánta breise so don't have a clue

jgirl18 · 24-05-2015 9:31pm

No I don't do that question either. Thanks guys. There's not many questions then really that they can ask on Gnathrud from what I can see. Think I'm going to study caca milis, gnathrud and maybe Hurlamboc.

if832uspx4eogt · 25-05-2015 6:03pm

In my notes, my teacher has used both "an t-ainmhí" and "an ainmhí" - which one is right?

(also, I am debating whether to devote an hour a day to the other prose/poetry. That predictability report has got me thinking they're gonna throw a question in on one of the texts that has already appeared.)

Katezz · 25-05-2015 6:09pm

What is the chance of spailpin fanach or dis coming up this year?
Struggling to get them all studied ðŸ˜•

RoRo979 · 25-05-2015 6:19pm

Esther Sour Nose wrote: »

In my notes, my teacher has used both "an t-ainmhí" and "an ainmhí" - which one is right?

(also, I am debating whether to devote an hour a day to the other prose/poetry. That predictability report has got me thinking they're gonna throw a question in on one of the texts that has already appeared.)

They are both right it depends on the context. Tá an t-ainmhí --- íomha an ainmhí ---- im personally leaving dis and spailpín fully out, done a tiny bit on the 2012/2013 poetry + prose, too much work

jgirl18 · 25-05-2015 8:29pm

Yea I'm leaving them out too. I went to an oral course because I'm repeating my Irish to do teaching and the teacher (albeit talking in fast Irish) circled caca millis cause he was explaining the structure of course to me. I was also told by someone we wouldn't get asked Lasire Choile cause it's just too long. I hope I'm ok to leave it out. It's ridiculous studying so much for questions you're not even expected to write pages and pages on.

rionakearney · 25-05-2015 8:55pm

Does anyone know where I can get an essay on Accidents/Violence? (due to recent airplane crashes, terrorism, war)

..One that will get a good grade yet achievable to learn off in 2days?

I'm only doing Fadhbanna, Taisteal, Chuinsi Eacnamaiochta & Coras Oideachas so I'm pretty worried..

Thanks!!

RoRo979 · 25-05-2015 10:33pm

rionakearney wrote: »

Does anyone know where I can get an essay on Accidents/Violence? (due to recent airplane crashes, terrorism, war)

..One that will get a good grade yet achievable to learn off in 2days?

I'm only doing Fadhbanna, Taisteal, Chuinsi Eacnamaiochta & Coras Oideachas so I'm pretty worried..

Thanks!!

tried uploading but file too big, have one on sceimhlitheoreacht/cogadh. PM your email and ill send it.

Anyone have a sample answer for caoineadh Airt Ui Laoighire? So many different translations and lack of strong answers is making it impossible to do

Peg14 · 25-05-2015 10:36pm

rionakearney wrote: »

Does anyone know where I can get an essay on Accidents/Violence? (due to recent airplane crashes, terrorism, war)

..One that will get a good grade yet achievable to learn off in 2days?

I'm only doing Fadhbanna, Taisteal, Chuinsi Eacnamaiochta & Coras Oideachas so I'm pretty worried..

Thanks!!

can't you link in the topics you do know? alot of LC is being able to manipulate!
fadbhanna - drugs causes accidents, drink-driving
travelling - to the sea for example - drownings
economic crisis -
coras oideachais-
etc

rionakearney · 25-05-2015 10:42pm

Peg14 wrote: »

can't you link in the topics you do know? alot of LC is being able to manipulate!
fadbhanna - drugs causes accidents, drink-driving
travelling - to the sea for example - drownings
economic crisis -
coras oideachais-
etc

Yeah, I have that prepared, I just want one essay on violence to do with war, terrorism & airplane crashes etc as it was topical when the papers were written

CallumM · 25-05-2015 11:15pm

Can examiners really mark down a class if they have rote learned essays I am learning 4 Conspoid na dtailli Uisce , An Coras oideachais Coras Sláinte and Easpa Didine agus bochtanas. Everyone in my class have been given these essays and then some, is an examiner really likely to mark down a class ?

Chancer3001 · 26-05-2015 12:00am

I don't think they can do that at all.

DaveMc90 · 26-05-2015 7:11am

Would you be safe knowing essays on :

Timpeallacht
coiriulacht
bochtanas
spoirt
coras slainte

Or should i do more?

jgirl18 · 26-05-2015 8:07am

I'd do one on Social media too. Would bochtonas come up if it was up last year??

if832uspx4eogt · 26-05-2015 8:11am

I have:

Córas Oideachais
Seandaoine
Daoine Gan Dídean
Tionchar An Idirlín
Mean Cumarsáide
Fadbhanna Na N-Óg

Hopefully I'll be covered with them...

morclc · 26-05-2015 11:59am

Does anyone have notes or a sample essay on daoine gan dídean or taillí uisce??

Almen11 · 26-05-2015 12:46pm

Guys does anyone have a sample essay on Mean cumarsaide and coras oideachais that they wouldn't mind sending me? I'm seriously stuck here, panic levels are getting higher too

RoRo979 · 26-05-2015 1:53pm

I understand stress is getting to people so I would like to help, I have essays on
1) educational system
2) homelessness
3) war and terrorism
4) old people
5) environment
6) media/new technology

with a long enough paragraph done on
1) health system
2) water charges

I have introductions/closing for:
1) Debate
2) Talk

If anyone is in need of them just pm your email and what you want. Please dont do it for the sake of it as I am also tight for time like you all. Most of them I will type and send however one/two may be pictures.
I ask in return if people could send me any sample answers they have on caoineadh airt ui laoghire. Mainly:
1) very strong 20 mark main theme of the poem
2) minigh na línte
3) meadareacht

thank you everyone

Noire · 26-05-2015 8:57pm

What are people covering for caca milis? Like only the characters or film techniques too?

Grange10 · 26-05-2015 9:06pm

Hi RoRo979

Thanks for your kind offer of Irish material, I am looking for an essay on Táillí usice and one on old people but as I only joined today I am unable to PM you :-(
You have to have posted 25 posts before you have permission to PM!

Is there any way around it do you know?

Unfortunately I can't help you out with the material you are looking for as I am not covering it,

Thanks

Magnate · 26-05-2015 9:23pm

Thanks RoRo, appreciate the offer,

May I suggest http://www.tinyupload.com/ instead of getting flooded with PMs and having to email different things to different people. It's free and there's no signup required, it might be easier for you. You could put all the photos into one word document and just upload that.

vogue123 · 26-05-2015 10:00pm

does anybody have an essay or points on technology or water charges in desperate need!!!!!!

chocolate98 · 26-05-2015 10:36pm

d'oisin

RoRo979 · 27-05-2015 12:15am

Magnate wrote: »

Thanks RoRo, appreciate the offer,

May I suggest http://www.tinyupload.com/ instead of getting flooded with PMs and having to email different things to different people. It's free and there's no signup required, it might be easier for you. You could put all the photos into one word document and just upload that.

your a hero, would of been a stressful time otherwise. Most are up on this that i have.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=07874207598417325554

Noire wrote: »

What are people covering for caca milis? Like only the characters or film techniques too?

little bit done one each of the 2 characters, little bit of conflict between them, little bit on film techniques, bit on theme and thats it. Doesnt exceed 2 a4's all my notes for it

Magnate · 27-05-2015 9:47am

Thanks so much for those notes

I don't study Caoineadh Airt Uí Laoghaire, but I found these online, don't know if they're any good to you.

Caoineadh Airt Uí Laoghaire
Éibhlín Dhubh Ní Chonaill

An File: Rugadh Éibhlín Dhubh Ní Chonaill i gCiarraí timpeall
na bliana 1745. Baintreach óg a bhí in Éibhlín nuair a
bhuail sí le hArt Ó Laoghaire a bhí tar éis filleadh ón
Mhór-Roinn, áit a raibh sé ina chaptaen in arm iasachta.
Pósadh iad agus bhí triúr páistí acu. Níl a fhios againn
cathain a fuair Éibhlín bás.

Culrá staire: Aimsir na bpéindlithe (1692 – c1793) a bhí ann agus ní
raibh cead ag Caitlicigh capall ba mhó luach ná cúig phunt
bheith acu. Dá mba capall ar luach ní ba mhó ná sin bhí
sé de cheart ag Protastúnach ar bith an capall a cheannach
ón Chaitliceach ar chúig phunt. Bhí capall breá ag Art Ó
Laoghaire agus theastaigh ón Phrotastúnach, Abraham
Morris é a cheannach uaidh ar chúig phunt. Dhiúltaigh
Art ach tamall ina dhiaidh sin rinne saighdiúirí luíochán
ar Art agus ar an 4ú lá Bealtaine 1774 mharaigh siad é.

Cineál dáin: Is caoineadh an dán seo ina dtugann an file eolas dúinn
ar uaisleacht a fir chéile, ar an ghrá a bhí aici dó agus ar
an gcaoi ar mharaigh saighdiúirí Gallda go fealltach é.

Ciútaí: Úsáideann an file a lán cleas fileata sa dán seo:

● athrá chun béim a chur le déine a crá croí, agus
chun luas a chur le sruth smaointe an dáin;
● íomhánna neamhchoitianta láidre – cf. an dara véarsa;
● rithimí láidre bríomhara tríd síos;
● cur in iúl gonta, cumarsáid gan foclaíocht (verbosity):
“Thugas léim go tairsigh, An dara léim go geata,
An tríú léim ar do chapall…”

Mothúcháin: Brón, bród agus fearg atá sa dán seo:
Tá brón ar Áine mar tá sí croíbhriste tar éis bhás a fir. Tá bród uirthi freisin as an sórt fir a bhí ann: fear geanúil, ábalta, gaisciúil ea ba é. Agus tá fearg uirthi freisin ó maraíodh a fear go fealltach.

Éifeacht: Is breá liom an dán mar is féidir ionannú le suíomh na mná
is ritheann smaointe an dáin go rithimeach rialta tríd síos.

!! Irish / Gaeilge HL ... predictions, guesses, discussion ...

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