!! Irish / Gaeilge HL ... predictions, guesses, discussion ...

9de5q7tsr8u2im

Feel free to predict what will come up for the aiste written piece.
300-600 words required if you do this piece

if832uspx4eogt

My teacher maintains that Coras Oideachas will come up (she's always right apparently!!) and has given us a lovely A4 essay sheet to learn off.

But no one knows. It's near impossible to guess what's coming up.

spurious

Esther Sour Nose wrote: »

My teacher maintains that Coras Oideachas will come up (she's always right apparently!!) and has given us a lovely A4 essay sheet to learn off.

But no one knows. It's near impossible to guess what's coming up.

Does she realise all of your class will be in the one centre and have the same examiner?
Does she know the examiner has to report identical essays?

d1234

My predictions:

- Something to do with the new JC/ teachers strike/ education system
- Healthcare/ health in Ireland/ ebola crises
- The environment/ water charges/ protesting etc. etc
- Peoples reaction to Irish as a language/ something to do with the 'curry my yoghurt' remark
etc. etc. etc.

if832uspx4eogt

spurious wrote: »

Does she realise all of your class will be in the one centre and have the same examiner?
Does she know the examiner has to report identical essays?

Will we get marked 0 if a few students have an identical essay?

spurious

Esther Sour Nose wrote: »

Will we get marked 0 if a few students have an identical essay?

It depends what happens following the report and the investigation.

Sometimes results are withheld for that subject.

Learned off essays are a very dangerous strategy and to be fair, should not be necessary at all at HL. It's not that difficult a language.

KatieG6

Irish:

Poems:
Geibheann or Colscaradh
(These poems were never asked)

Stories:
Cáca Milis or An Gnáthrud
(Also never asked)

Essays:
Foreigean (Violence)

Tallaí Uisce (Water Charges)

(My irish teacher said that these are topical.
She thinks that there has been a lot of stabbings, violence and influence from the programme Love/Hate etc.

She also thinks that water charges are very topical along with politics.

English:
Eilean Ní Chuilleanáin
John Montague
(New female on the course, Emily Dickinson and WB yeats were asked already)

Helenm98

HI,

I need some help in how to answer a comprehension and getting full marks.
My teacher tells me that I can take down the answer straight from the text but it'll only get me some marks but not all so i wanna know how to get full marks and manipulate the answers in to my own words.
Plus at the end of the comprehension theres always a question about the genres .
I have know idea what to write , I wanna know if theres like a standard or fixed answer that i can learn off.

Thanks guy , Appreciate your help

RoRo979

you can take the answer straight from the text and you WILL get full marks if it right and not too long, look up the marking scheme for key words needed

orangey24

Helenm98 wrote: »

HI,

I need some help in how to answer a comprehension and getting full marks.
My teacher tells me that I can take down the answer straight from the text but it'll only get me some marks but not all so i wanna know how to get full marks and manipulate the answers in to my own words.
Plus at the end of the comprehension theres always a question about the genres .
I have know idea what to write , I wanna know if theres like a standard or fixed answer that i can learn off.

Thanks guy , Appreciate your help

You can take it directly from the text but you can't take too much out if it as I just shows you could possibly be guessing. Highlight Key words in the question then look for that word in the comprehension and more than likely will be answer. You can't take it directly from text for example you may have to change a few words around such as if it's 'mé' change to 'sé' or 'sí' if possible try put answer in your own words but if your like myself, find that difficult, take directly. As for q 6 a is picking out grammar so know what each tense is and grammar terms. Q6b is your own words but scan through the comprehension again to find key facts that could back up your answer to develop your point. It would be very handy to know lots of adjectives as the question could be e.g describe the person in this text yano ? And just but in some nathanta cainte that you would use in essays. Hope this helped!

Gryffindor

Comprehensions are testing exactly what they say on the tin - do you comprehend the piece. Regardless of whether you copy directly out of the text or not, if you actually understand what the piece is saying you'll get your marks, because you'll know exactly how to manipulate the answer.
The best possible way to do this is to practise and build up your vocab. In TY I took one or two past comprehensions a week and combed through them for words I didn't understand. Don't bother writing out the actual questions as that will just waste your time, but make sure by the end of the week that you understand everything. After a few weeks you'' notice that the same words keep cropping up time and time again.
For the genre question know the main features of a píosa iriseoireachta and give an example of where it was used in each paragraph. Also as the other poster mentioned having a list of adjectives is a good idea.
I really cannot stress how much easier comprehensions are when you understand what you're talking about. I always get them done in 30mins now and have extra time for the poetry and prose questions. Comprehensions easy marks in comparison!

mhf55

I'm hoping na meain chumarsaide or the internet comes up!

DarraghF197

I have three essays ready to be learned off, might do another.

Coras oideachas
Suiomhanna soisialta
Coiriulacht in Eireann

Others that I think might come up include terrorism and maybe the environment.

Peg14

Any chance of Tourism coming up

9de5q7tsr8u2im

Teacher has given us a story to learn off which supports many feelings and fits a wide range, taking me years to learn it

Noire

Does anyone have notes on coras oideachas? I'm desperate

RoRo979

irish essays - i guarantee at least 2 of these will come up, war/terrorism/racism , old people, environment, old people, educational system, homelessness. Even if a title like "staid na tire" comes up just mix them together

RoRo979

Noire wrote: »

Does anyone have notes on coras oideachas? I'm desperate

there you go my friend, need anymore dont hesiate

RoRo979

Noire wrote: »

Does anyone have notes on coras oideachas? I'm desperate

woops file to big to attach, effort of getting an email im sure you just want it now so will send it on this.

An Córas Oideachas
I 1906 nuair a bhunaigh Padraig mac Piaras a chuid scoileanna, an aidhm a bhí i gceist aige ná oideachas saor Ghaelacha chur ar fáil do ghach cáilín agus buachaill Éireannach gan an bhrúidiúlacht. Nuair a dhéanaim macnamh ar seo anois, imíonn m’intinn ar strae, ag smaoineamh cad a cheapfadh an Piarsach faoin gcóras Oideachas sa lá atá inniu ann. Tá sé intuighte go bhfuil fadhbanna i ngach réimse den chóras ó thus ama ach ar ndóigh tá siad ag dul in olchas lá i ndiaidh lae mar gheall ar an gcúlú ecanamaiochta atá ar siúl faoi láthair.
An phríomhfhadhb a bhí againn ó thaobh oideachais de ag tús an fhichiú haois ná nach raibh dotháin airgid nó scoileanna ar fáil chun freastaíl ar óige na tíre. Ni raibh luach ar an oideachas ionnas go rabhthas buartha faoi mháireachtáil in ionad ag léamh Shakespeare nó ag foghlaim na Gaeilge. Bhí cuid is mó den tír neamhliteartha agus ní raibh suim acu é a ceartú. Afach le teacht na Soarstáite,tháinig feabhas ar an suíomh agus bhí gluaiseacht láidir i dtreo an oideachais sna fichidí. Nuair a chruthaíodh sprioc aois arb féidir le daltai an scoil a fhágáil, bhíothas ag díriu ar an litearthacht, chun ionannas agus tuairimí cearta thabhairt do mhiuntir na tíre.
Cé nach raibh caoga faoin gcéad de scoláiri i lár na haoise ag freastáil ar choláiste tríú léibheal, ar a laghad, bhí siad in ann a n-ainmneacha a scríobh agus forim a líonadh amach. Le teacht saibhreas na tíre sna hochtóidí agus sna nóchóidí, tháinig feabhas ollmhór ar chursaí oideachais agus samhlaíodh gurb é an rud is tabhachtaí chun an tír agus a muintir a fhobairt. Cruthaíodh achmháinní breise, tháínig méadú ar scoileanna de ghach saghas; Gaelscoileanna san áireamh agus bhí córas iontach san áireamh i gcomhair daoine míchumasacha nó daltaí le tréithe speisialta san oideachais. Ach i ndeireadh na dála, cosnaíonn na rudai úd airgead. Bhí an t-airgead seo le fáil in am na flúirseachta ach anois le cúlu inár measc, tá easpa airgid agus tá an córas oideachais ag fulaingt.



Tá ocht scoil caoga sa stáit agus gach bliain, íocann an Rialtas leath agus seachó seacht milliún euro orthu. Le blianta anuas thug an Rialtas tacaíocht do scoileanna nua bhunaithe agus achmhainní breise do na Roinne difriúla, anios afach toisc go bhfuil an tír i gcrúachas, tá cosc ar an airgead, tá siad ag gearradh siar na hinfheistíochta agus ag cur níos mo cánach ar na múinteoirí. Chomh maith leis seo bhíothas ag caint faoi tháilli a thabhairt do daltaí triú léibheal, buiochas le Dia nár tharla sé, shamhlófaí go bhfuil an rialtas ag iarraidh go mbeadh óige na tíre go léir ag dul ar imirce-arís!
Leis sin ráite, tháinig conspóid chun cinn nuair a fograíodh go bhfuil athrú ag teacht ar an gcúrsa don Teastas shoisearach i mbliana. Gan tasc ná tuairisc thainig na hathruithe isteach agus tá ar ghach dul duine cloí leo. An deachtóireacht atá againn mar ní fheicim an daonlathas. Bhí an tír trína chéile mar gheall orthu siúd ach mar is gnáth níor éist an Rialtas. Táthar ag caint faoi chúrsa nua don Ardteist le blianta anuas mar is féidir a admháil nach n-óireann an cúrsa atá againn do ghach duine. Gach bliain bíonn cónspóidí ar siúl faoi agus bíonn an iomarca brú ar daltaí, is comortas atá ann go macánta. An gá dom tagairt a dhéanamh ar an bpraiseach a tharla le linn an scrúdú Bhearla cúpla bliain o shinn? Cruthaíodh cíor thuathail mar gheall ar bhotún a rinneadh ó thaobh na páipear de agus leis an seafóid sna méan cumarsáide bhí gach dalta ardteistiméireachta thar a bheith buartha faoi. Dá mbeadh méasúchán leanúnach ar siúl ní bheadh an suiomh chomh dona sin.
Ag diriú ar na heachtraí thuas luaite agus na leathanta thart, cad atá i ndán dúinn agus don chóras sa tír seo? Muna bhfuil airgead, tá sé cinnte go mbeidh na daltaí ag fulaingt. De réir an seanfhocail is í Éire tír na nOllamh agus na Naomh, ach gan oideachas ceart ní bheidh níos mó Ollaimh sa tír, ach daoine atá brean den a gcuid guthanna néamhcloiste agus brean den Rialtas nach n-éisteann leo.

Noire

^ Thank you!! You're a lifesaver <33 Goodluck on your exams c:

Codswapple

If anybody had a seandaoine/meain cumarsaide essay id appreciate it!

is mise spartacus

What is seandaoine??? and why is everyone hoping that it will come up?!:eek:

9de5q7tsr8u2im

is mise spartacus wrote: »

What is seandaoine??? and why is everyone hoping that it will come up?!:eek:

Old people
It came up on the pres lol

Codswapple

Its elderly people!It came up in 2011,2007,2003 and is due up now

mhf55

Anyone have the titles from the examcraft mock?

is mise spartacus

How does one write an essay on old people.??
Like I'll be happy with education or violence

tcofla

RoRo979 wrote: »

irish essays - i guarantee at least 2 of these will come up, war/terrorism/racism , old people, environment, old people, educational system, homelessness. Even if a title like "staid na tire" comes up just mix them together

How can you possibly guarantee this?

RoRo979

tcofla wrote: »

How can you possibly guarantee this?

The sec always write papers on events that were happening around the time. Believe it or not i couldnt care less, im 100% sure ill be covered with them titles

tcofla

RoRo979 wrote: »

The sec always write papers on events that were happening around the time. Believe it or not i couldnt care less, im 100% sure ill be covered with them titles

Sassy roro

Kaitlyn2424

If anyone has vocabulary or even an essay on drugs in Ireland in Irish can they pist it here please

Bazinga_N

Kaitlyn2424 wrote: »

If anyone has vocabulary or even an essay on drugs in Ireland in Irish can they pist it here please

http://media.wix.com/ugd/122b9c_119bd80c799946ab8d333ef0c59d06e3.pdf

MegLC

Does anybody have a seandaoine essay or notes they wouldn't mind sending on? Thanks.

9de5q7tsr8u2im

MegLC wrote: »

Does anybody have a seandaoine essay or notes they wouldn't mind sending on? Thanks.

Yeah i would appreciate it too :P

IrishLoriii

Im strongly considering only studying Caca Milis, An Gnathrud and Dis for the pros part and
An Spailpin Fanach, Mo Ghra Sa and An tEarrach Thiar for the poems part of Ordinary Level Irish..
Is this too risky do you think? I cannot see them throwing too many risks at OL Irish..thoughts???

Hon the Dubs

Just out of curiosity what is fuelling the speculation of seandaoine and not daoine oga?

RoRo979

Hon the Dubs wrote: »

Just out of curiosity what is fuelling the speculation of seandaoine and not daoine oga?

I never would of got seandaoine just that my friends go to grinds and thats what they are all being told anyway, Sure daoine óga is a banker, but chances of getting a nice " problems of young people" are very slim. I could only imagine me covering that title thinking im sorted and then " youth are the slaves of fashion: comes up. IMO the SEC know it is a basic topic and everyone in the country has it done and most likely first thing done in 5th so i think they will throw in a weird title,

RoRo979

seandaoine people, her is some notes on health system, contains a bit of old people, not a full essay abviously but a start, ill scout for some more info soon

Cursaí Sláinte

Tá a lán fadhbanna ag baint leis an córas sláinte atá againn sa tír seo sa lá atá inniú ann. Is minic a chloistear daoine ag gearán faoi na hospidéal.
Bíonn daoine ag fanacht ar feadh lá nó dhó sna seomraí éigeandáil ar fud na tire agus aire ag teastáil uathu. Bíonn seandaoine ar tralaí ar feadh cúpla lá. Níl sé sin ceart . Bíonn na seomraí eigindil plódaithe le daoine agus bíonn na banaltraí agus na dochtúirí ró-ghnóthach chun aire a thabairt le gach duine. Mar sin tagan a lán galair ó na hospidéal ina measc MRSA oisc nach bhfuil siad ghlan. Níl na dochtúirí agus na banaltraí ag glanadh a lámha agus mar sin tá ionfhabhtú coitianta sna hospidéal.
Tá níos mó dochtúirí agus banaltraí ag teastál uainn. Ba cheart go mbedh na pointí do leigheas níos isle is go mbeadh agallaimh i bhfeidhm freisin. Ba cheart go mbeadh dlíthe nua i bhfeidhm ar na comhairleacha mar go han mhinic ní bíonn siad i láthair sna hospidéal nuair atá fáthmheas. Faigheann siad a lán airgead gach blian agus ba cheart go ndéanann siad jab maith.
Tá nasc láidir idir na drugaí agus an t-alcól agus an mbrú ata ar na hospidéal. Tá a lán handúiligh againn sa tír seo agus tá ar an rialtas clinicí lae a hoscailt chun iad a athshlánaigh. Tá brú ar an córas sláinte daoine a fháil chun obair a dhéanamh sna clinicí lae. Go han-mhinic chuireann na handúiligh daine eile isteach sna seomraí eigindála mar ionsaíonn siad daoine neamhurchóideacha ar na sráideanna agus gortaíonn na handúiligh iad
Tá a fhios agam go bhfuil a lán fadhbanna sa córas sláinte sa tír seo, na daoine ag fanacht, an méad airgead ag dul isteach agus ní dhéanann sé faic, na galair a thagann óna hospidéal ós rud é nach bhfuil siad ghlan ach nuair a feicimid ar an córas sláinte atá i Meiriceá tá an t-ádh linn i ndáiríre. Níl ach aire príobháideach ann. Nuair a mbíonn daoine tinn go minic ní íocann na comhlachtaí amach an airgead agus bíonn bonás ag na dochtúirí sna chás sin mar tá níos mó airgead ag na comhlachtaí. Mar sin ní faigheann daoine an aire atá ag teastáil uathu. Tá scannán faisnéise ag Micheal Moore ab ainm “Sicko” ag caint faoin gcóras sláintiúl Meiriceá. Tá aire i bhfad níos fearr ag na coipigh agus na sceimhlitheoirí i Guantanamo Bay ná tá ag an phobail.
Le deireadh tá an t-ádh linn i gcomparáid Meiriceá ach i ndairíre tá a lán athruaithe ag teastáil sa córas sláinte atá againn.

dory

DarraghF197 wrote: »

I have three essays ready to be learned off, might do another.

Coras oideachas
Suiomhanna soisialta
Coiriulacht in Éirinn

Others that I think might come up include terrorism and maybe the environment.

RoRo979 wrote: »

woops file to big to attach, effort of getting an email im sure you just want it now so will send it on this.

An Córas Oideachas
I 1906 nuair a bhunaigh Padraig mac Piaras a chuid scoileanna, an aidhm a bhí i gceist aige ná oideachas saor, Gaelach a chur ar fáil do gach cáilín agus buachaill Éireannach gan an bhrúidiúlacht. Nuair a dhéanaim macnamh ar seo anois, imíonn m’intinn ar strae, ag smaoineamh ar cad a cheapfadh an Piarsach faoin gcóras Oideachais sa lá atá inniu ann. Tá sé intuighte go bhfuil fadhbanna i ngach réimse den chóras ó thus ama ach ar ndóigh tá siad ag dul in olchas lá i ndiaidh lae mar gheall ar an gcúlú ecanamaiochta atá ar siúl faoi láthair.
An phríomhfhadhb a bhí againn ó thaobh oideachais de ag tús an fhichiú haois ná nach raibh dotháin airgid nó scoileanna ar fáil chun freastaíl ar óige na tíre. Ni raibh luach ar an oideachas ionnas go rabhthas buartha faoi mháireachtáil in ionad ag léamh Shakespeare nó ag foghlaim na Gaeilge. Bhí cuid is mó den tír neamhliteartha agus ní raibh suim acu é a ceartú. Afach le teacht na Soarstáite,tháinig feabhas ar an suíomh agus bhí gluaiseacht láidir i dtreo an oideachais sna fichidí. Nuair a chruthaíodh sprioc aois arb féidir le daltai an scoil a fhágáil, bhíothas ag díriu ar an litearthacht, chun ionannas agus tuairimí cearta thabhairt do mhiuntir na tíre.
Cé nach raibh caoga faoin gcéad de scoláiri i lár na haoise ag freastáil ar choláiste tríú léibheal, ar a laghad, bhí siad in ann a n-ainmneacha a scríobh agus forim a líonadh amach. Le teacht saibhreas na tíre sna hochtóidí agus sna nóchóidí, tháinig feabhas ollmhór ar chursaí oideachais agus samhlaíodh gurb é an rud is tabhachtaí chun an tír agus a muintir a fhobairt. Cruthaíodh achmháinní breise, tháínig méadú ar scoileanna de ghach saghas; Gaelscoileanna san áireamh agus bhí córas iontach san áireamh i gcomhair daoine míchumasacha nó daltaí le tréithe speisialta san oideachais. Ach i ndeireadh na dála, cosnaíonn na rudai úd airgead. Bhí an t-airgead seo le fáil in am na flúirseachta ach anois le cúlu inár measc, tá easpa airgid agus tá an córas oideachais ag fulaingt.



Tá ocht scoil caoga sa stáit agus gach bliain, íocann an Rialtas leath agus seachó seacht milliún euro orthu. Le blianta anuas thug an Rialtas tacaíocht do scoileanna nua bhunaithe agus achmhainní breise do na Roinne difriúla, anios afach toisc go bhfuil an tír i gcrúachas, tá cosc ar an airgead, tá siad ag gearradh siar na hinfheistíochta agus ag cur níos mo cánach ar na múinteoirí. Chomh maith leis seo bhíothas ag caint faoi tháilli a thabhairt do daltaí triú léibheal, buiochas le Dia nár tharla sé, shamhlófaí go bhfuil an rialtas ag iarraidh go mbeadh óige na tíre go léir ag dul ar imirce-arís!
Leis sin ráite, tháinig conspóid chun cinn nuair a fograíodh go bhfuil athrú ag teacht ar an gcúrsa don Teastas shoisearach i mbliana. Gan tasc ná tuairisc thainig na hathruithe isteach agus tá ar ghach dul duine cloí leo. An deachtóireacht atá againn mar ní fheicim an daonlathas. Bhí an tír trína chéile mar gheall orthu siúd ach mar is gnáth níor éist an Rialtas. Táthar ag caint faoi chúrsa nua don Ardteist le blianta anuas mar is féidir a admháil nach n-óireann an cúrsa atá againn do ghach duine. Gach bliain bíonn cónspóidí ar siúl faoi agus bíonn an iomarca brú ar daltaí, is comortas atá ann go macánta. An gá dom tagairt a dhéanamh ar an bpraiseach a tharla le linn an scrúdú Bhearla cúpla bliain o shinn? Cruthaíodh cíor thuathail mar gheall ar bhotún a rinneadh ó thaobh na páipear de agus leis an seafóid sna méan cumarsáide bhí gach dalta ardteistiméireachta thar a bheith buartha faoi. Dá mbeadh méasúchán leanúnach ar siúl ní bheadh an suiomh chomh dona sin.
Ag diriú ar na heachtraí thuas luaite agus na leathanta thart, cad atá i ndán dúinn agus don chóras sa tír seo? Muna bhfuil airgead, tá sé cinnte go mbeidh na daltaí ag fulaingt. De réir an seanfhocail is í Éire tír na nOllamh agus na Naomh, ach gan oideachas ceart ní bheidh níos mó Ollaimh sa tír, ach daoine atá brean den a gcuid guthanna néamhcloiste agus brean den Rialtas nach n-éisteann leo.

Don't have time to correct the rest, maybe get a teacher to look over it. Nothing major but if you're going to learn it off it might as well be correct.

RoRo979

dory wrote: »

Don't have time to correct the rest, maybe get a teacher to look over it. Nothing major but if you're going to learn it off it might as well be correct.

funnily enough that essay was given to me by my teacher, assumed it would of been fully correct, shows the quality of my teacher hahah

Amonymous

Hi, I was wondering what essays do you think I should learn for Paper 1?
I was thinking of learning Seandaoine and Gaeilge.
Are these suitable essays to learn? How many essays do you think I should learn at a minimum?

Peg14

Gaeilge came up last year so I would ignore it tbh if I were you. Pick something else like the Health System or Poverty
I would say around 4/5, very broad ones to cover yourself I guess

mhf55

Peg14 wrote: »

Gaeilge came up last year so I would ignore it tbh if I were you. Pick something else like the Health System or Poverty
I would say around 4/5, very broad ones to cover yourself I guess

Bochtanas was on last year too!

Peg14

mhf55 wrote: »

Bochtanas was on last year too!

oh really? jeez I really need to check these things! so then why does so many people think it will come up for us, or like daoine gan dideann

mhf55

Peg14 wrote: »

oh really? jeez I really need to check these things! so then why does so many people think it will come up for us, or like daoine gan dideann

I think because of the homeless guy that died a few months near the dail! It was all over the papers but I think bochtanas/daoine gan didean seem a bit too specific to put on two years in a row!

What essays are you focusing on?

Jijsaw

Peg14 wrote: »

oh really? jeez I really need to check these things! so then why does so many people think it will come up for us, or like daoine gan dideann

Homelessness is really nice to get as you can talk about unemployment, drugs and alcohol even if you hadn't prepared an essay on homelessness.

I think I've narrowed mine down to:
The education system, terrorism/violence, media,old people and problems of young people.
My teacher has an Irish Water essay prepared but I'll doubt we'll get it at this stage :rolleyes:

is mise spartacus

Health system, violence, people with disabilities, things that are important to me and the junior cert reform are tipped

mhf55

is mise spartacus wrote: »

Health system, violence, people with disabilities, things that are important to me and the junior cert reform are tipped

Why people with disabilities and things that are important to me?

Jijsaw

is mise spartacus wrote: »

Health system, violence, people with disabilities, things that are important to me and the junior cert reform are tipped

Ah yes this tipping or as I like to call it guessing :pac:
Nobody has a clue what is coming up bar the people who drew up the paper. Just learn a broad enough range of essays so you can cover your ass on whatever comes up, don't just learn off two because they are "tipped".

is mise spartacus

mhf55 wrote: »

Why people with disabilities and things that are important to me?

Ice bucket challenge and they're supposedly putting a general essay question to throw us

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Jijsaw wrote: »

Ah yes this tipping or as I like to call it guessing :pac:
Nobody has a clue what is coming up bar the people whodrew up the paper. Just learn a broad enough range of essays so you can cover your ass on whatever comes up.

You caught me
My Irish teacher predicted these

Peg14

Well I think I'll know a bit about Tourism, Travel, Seandaoine, Media, Sport, Education System, Politics, Young People problems, Crime. Lots of people are also thinking the health system so maybe I will look at that too.

Now that you say it like that, homelessness as an essay an doesn't seem that bad at all!!