Everything HPAT and Medicine 2015

smtp95 · 26-05-2015 7:59pm

caoimhinmacl wrote: »

Hi thanks for the reply,

Basically this is my problem: I want to do medicine but I have not done the HPAT for this year and I have not done chemistry for the leaving cert, I assume I will get 460 in my leaving cert. What are my best options to get into medicine?

The HPAT is a very strange exam. Now, I think you need to have a minimum of 480 points to get into undergrad med, also you would have to have an amazing HPAT result. Realistically speaking, this year the lowest points in UCD for medicine were 540 plus a very good HPAT.

I got 535 points and in light of my disappointing HPAT decided against repeating it this year. I know someone who got 615 and still didn't get med because of the HPAT.

After you get your lc results you can consider doing the HPAT next year, but I wouldn't take a year out to study for something you may not even have a chance in achieving in.

What do I think you should do to help get into graduate med? The gamsat is the exam you need to do to gain entry into graduate medicine. It's different from the HPAT. There are there sections. A 'humanities' section, an essay section and a science section.

I think your best bet would be to do a science degree. There is a huge chunk of organic chem in the gamsat, so being exposed to that in your undergrad science degree would help you out big time

think about doing a level 8 science degree in maynooth, dcu or dit. Look into cork and Galway too, depending on where you live. Personally I know people doing science in all these places.

Honestly, chemistry is tough going. I did it for the leaving cert but never really liked it. But in college they do foundation courses for people who haven't done it, trust me there are lots!

caoimhinmacl · 26-05-2015 8:21pm

thank you very much this has helped me big time!!

smtp95 · 26-05-2015 8:23pm

caoimhinmacl wrote: »

thank you very much this has helped me big time!!

No worries. It you have any questions about your cao when it re-opens don't hesitate to ask

sleepyheadh · 26-05-2015 9:50pm

caoimhinmacl wrote: »

Hi thanks for the reply,

Basically this is my problem: I want to do medicine but I have not done the HPAT for this year and I have not done chemistry for the leaving cert, I assume I will get 460 in my leaving cert. What are my best options to get into medicine?

I think you are really going to have to consider how much you really want to do med.

Can I ask why you didn't do the HPAT this year, were you sick?

My advice to anyone who really wants to do medicine is repeat, repeat repeat. The vast majority of people in all med course around the country have repeated either the leaving or the HPAT if not both.

My opinion would be, unless you got a very high leaving, i.e 560+, consider repeating your leaving if possible, and I know everyones circumstances are different and repeating isn't always possible.

However, considering that you have not done the HPAT, for this year, you are basically guaranteed not to get a place this year, and your estimate of 460 (which I can nearly guarantee is a low estimate, on your behalf) means that repeating the LC and doing the HPAT next year, are your best bets, IF you are really serious about doing med.

Graduate med, is not an easy thing to get into to. And thats after already doing a 3 for 4 year course, so at the end of it you could be looking at 7-8years in 3rd level education. On the other hand, taking a year out to repeat, and getting a place in TCD, will only result in 6years. Oh and you'll save yourself a small fortune as well...GEM is not cheap!!!

smtp95 wrote: »

Hey,
To do graduate entry medicine you need to have a 2:1 in any level 8 degree. Now, the majority of 3 year degrees are level 7s. With the exception of something like an arts degree.

Just for the record, Arts degrees can be level 8!

JK2015 · 26-05-2015 10:23pm

Kirby2k07 wrote: »

That just ain't true. You can skip the premed under specific circumstances, but as for free fees you get nada; full tuition for the 5 years. (My cousin did this)

You may skip premed in cases where your first year modules are similar/the same as the premed modules, and as such, as first year is not repeated, free fees remain for the next 4.

It does depend on the college whether they will accept first year of a biomed course as a 'substitution' to premed.

Kirby2k07 · 28-05-2015 8:18pm

randylonghorn wrote: »

Well, that wouldn't make sense anyway; even if they did get caught for full tuition for one year, it would revert to normal after that.

By any chance, was your cousin doing graduate medicine (i.e. did she already have a degree)?

EDIT: Sorry misread the initial post

jacobwrench97 · 31-05-2015 12:07am

Just wanted to ask. Is it worth it applying for the Italian medicine programme?
I just got a link to apply for the aptitude test in Dublin on the 10th September.

LauraKc · 02-06-2015 11:03pm

Good luck to everyone tomorrow!

Katdrama · 04-06-2015 1:16pm

jacobwrench97 wrote: »

Just wanted to ask. Is it worth it applying for the Italian medicine programme?
I just got a link to apply for the aptitude test in Dublin on the 10th September.

I think if you've practiced the hpat, section 1 IMAT is pretty similar, though not identical to section 1 of hpat, and if biology and chemistry are fresh in your head, you stand a good chance in those sections, and then you only need basic physics and maths to do those 8 questions, so the test is worth doing. If you'd like to study in Italy and are able to, make sure you're strong in biology and chemistry and practice for section 1 of it - it's doable! (I'm basing this off of 2014, so check if the test is similar to last year's)

LauraKc · 05-06-2015 9:44am

Katdrama wrote: »

I think if you've practiced the hpat, section 1 IMAT is pretty similar, though not identical to section 1 of hpat, and if biology and chemistry are fresh in your head, you stand a good chance in those sections, and then you only need basic physics and maths to do those 8 questions, so the test is worth doing. If you'd like to study in Italy and are able to, make sure you're strong in biology and chemistry and practice for section 1 of it - it's doable! (I'm basing this off of 2014, so check if the test is similar to last year's)

Does this year's IMAT allow you to apply for medicine for the 2015/2016 academic year or the 2016/2017 academic year?

Also is leaving cert biology and chemistry the standard or should I look up extra information?

I don't do physics but i know a little bit from junior cert science and I do applied maths. Do you think that would be enough?

I would like to have a backup in case I don't get medicine here in Ireland and i can only apply to ucas for the 2016/2017 academic year.
Thanks!

lochlin · 05-06-2015 5:42pm

I've been wondering what the best ways to prepare for the Hpat are, I have some sample questions and a practice test at the moment but I was hoping to get my hands soon more material. If anyone knows any alternative to the very expensive med-entry package or anywhere else to get practice papers it would be greatly appreciated. Also if anybody knows of any other aptitude tests worth practicing, thanks!

blue_velvet · 06-06-2015 12:54am

What date in June are the HPAT results out?

ThatsTheShtuff · 06-06-2015 9:26am

blue_velvet wrote: »

What date in June are the HPAT results out?

They still haven't given a definite date yet,
but everyone is suspecting the 22nd of June.
Keep an eye on the Hpat/Acer website.

Gallagher1 · 06-06-2015 1:46pm

blue_velvet wrote: »

What date in June are the HPAT results out?

It's 22nd of June

Katdrama · 08-06-2015 10:55pm

LauraKc wrote: »

Does this year's IMAT allow you to apply for medicine for the 2015/2016 academic year or the 2016/2017 academic year?

Also is leaving cert biology and chemistry the standard or should I look up extra information?

I don't do physics but i know a little bit from junior cert science and I do applied maths. Do you think that would be enough?

I would like to have a backup in case I don't get medicine here in Ireland and i can only apply to ucas for the 2016/2017 academic year.
Thanks!

The one for Humanitas in Milan is for 2015/2016, the test is Sept 10th. Im confused myself about the IMAt dates for the other Italian universities, last I heard was the dates would be announced in June/July, but keep checking the universitaly website if they're up & running yet to see if they've announced the dates!

You can do well with LC level Biology & Chemistry, but most of the questions are applied knowledge so you need to be really good at Bio & Chem (if you get As there you'll be fine). That being said, there might be a few questions that are unfamiliar to the LC syllabus, e.g. a rough endoplasmic reticulum question. If you had never covered that at LC, you could guess but if you got it wrong there's negative marking, if you really didn't know & didn't answer you would get 0, had you answered all the other questions that were familiar, you get points for those, so you could make up for those few questions you didn't know, that's how you can do well without necessarily needing a degree or A levels. Sorry if that was longwinded!

I'm not sure I've never done applied maths, if there's a question to do with motion, it might? Some of the questions might be more theory-based though? Physics is a big enough subject to have to go thru when there are only 4 qns, a rapid revision physics book would do the trick I'd say!

Hope that helps!

woopah92 · 10-06-2015 12:50am

Does anyone have any idea of what the percentiles are going to be like this year based on the mature students results?

Say hello to my little friend · 10-06-2015 1:50pm

Is there a history of second round offers in Medicine or do most people take up round 1 offer leaving no second round ??

ronivek · 10-06-2015 2:52pm

woopah92 wrote: »

Does anyone have any idea of what the percentiles are going to be like this year based on the mature students results?

It should be fairly similar to last year.

randylonghorn · 10-06-2015 7:00pm

Say hello to my little friend wrote: »

Is there a history of second round offers in Medicine or do most people take up round 1 offer leaving no second round ??

Second round offers are fairly common I think, and even third round, as some of those offers in second round may be to those who had Trinity first and UCD second (for example), and get offered Trinity in R2 and take it, thus in turn opening up a place in UCD.

If you can follow that convoluted sentence ...

Say hello to my little friend · 12-06-2015 11:16am

randylonghorn wrote: »

Second round offers are fairly common I think, and even third round, as some of those offers in second round may be to those who had Trinity first and UCD second (for example), and get offered Trinity in R2 and take it, thus in turn opening up a place in UCD.

If you can follow that convoluted sentence ...

Thinking about that. Why would anyone who if offered, say, Trinity in round 1 not take it up after all the work with HPAT etc. The 2nd round offer for Trinity to the person who accepted UCD must have been rejected by some such person if I understand the system.... You thought your reply was convoluted! :eek:

EoghanIRL · 12-06-2015 11:22am

Say hello to my little friend wrote: »

Thinking about that. Why would anyone who if offered, say, Trinity in round 1 not take it up after all the work with HPAT etc. The 2nd round offer for Trinity to the person who accepted UCD must have been rejected by some such person if I understand the system.... You thought your reply was convoluted! :eek:

It can come down to a lot of things really.
Money is a big one.. Parents tell them that it isn't feasible to move to another county and pay for college. So they refuse Dublin and take cork/Galway if that's where they are from.

People don't put as much thought into their CAO as you might think.

randylonghorn · 12-06-2015 5:27pm

EoghanIRL wrote: »

It can come down to a lot of things really.
Money is a big one.. Parents tell them that it isn't feasible to move to another county and pay for college. So they refuse Dublin and take cork/Galway if that's where they are from.

Well, they can't opt for Cork / Galway that year if they get offered Trinity, but yes, they could wait a year and re-apply. Or they could defer for a year, and then go to Trinity. But yes, definitely, finances are a common issue.

EoghanIRL wrote: »

People don't put as much thought into their CAO as you might think.

So true. And that brings us to another issue: the person who puts down medicine "to please the mammy" or the CG teacher or whoever, full sure they won't get the points, and will get their second choice or whatever that they really want, and then they get the points for medicine. Cue meltdown!

Or, more understandably, the person who genuinely thinks they want medicine and then over the summer when all the hype has quietened, they realise that actually, no, it's not for them.

And then you also have the people who have applied both abroad and here, get offers in both, and opt to go abroad (probably quite a small number, but it happens).

Probably other reasons too, but they're some of the main ones.

iamtheonewho · 12-06-2015 6:30pm

What is everyone putting down as their second option?
I'm torn between choosing either nursing (because I want to be able to actively help people and care for them) or biomedical science which would go into the science side of medicine but not have the patient side to it... It's so frustrating because I don't want to end up studying something and then realising it's not for me.

BBHenry · 13-06-2015 12:15pm

iamtheonewho wrote: »

What is everyone putting down as their second option?
I'm torn between choosing either nursing (because I want to be able to actively help people and care for them) or biomedical science which would go into the science side of medicine but not have the patient side to it... It's so frustrating because I don't want to end up studying something and then realising it's not for me.

I sat LC last year and had biomed as 2nd choice and then nursing.

Day before CAO closed I put nursing 2nd - a great option

I've done 2 months placement in the hospital and gained so much! Working in the hospital really helped me to understand the sacrifice it takes to be a doctor, being in there you'd get talking to the majority of SHOs etc.. Great insights from them and really inspired me to work harder for this years HPAT. You see the power struggle between nurses and doctors too, in that nurses haven't got much say at all in patient treatment and diagnosis', etc, which it was fascinates me the most! Way better than taking a year out. Also I have a friend in Biomed who says the majority of her year are people who were resitting the HPAT. There seemed to be a lot of competition. I felt that because I was in nursing I was a lot more relaxed, nobody knew I was resitting or studying for the HPAT I didn't have anyone questioning me on how many hours I was doing etc.. Really took the pressure off and made fantastic friends too. hope that helped! ðŸ˜Š

woopah92 · 13-06-2015 6:24pm

iamtheonewho wrote: »

What is everyone putting down as their second option?
I'm torn between choosing either nursing (because I want to be able to actively help people and care for them) or biomedical science which would go into the science side of medicine but not have the patient side to it... It's so frustrating because I don't want to end up studying something and then realising it's not for me.

BBHenry wrote: »

I sat LC last year and had biomed as 2nd choice and then nursing.

Day before CAO closed I put nursing 2nd - a great option

I've done 2 months placement in the hospital and gained so much! Working in the hospital really helped me to understand the sacrifice it takes to be a doctor, being in there you'd get talking to the majority of SHOs etc.. Great insights from them and really inspired me to work harder for this years HPAT. You see the power struggle between nurses and doctors too, in that nurses haven't got much say at all in patient treatment and diagnosis', etc, which it was fascinates me the most! Way better than taking a year out. Also I have a friend in Biomed who says the majority of her year are people who were resitting the HPAT. There seemed to be a lot of competition. I felt that because I was in nursing I was a lot more relaxed, nobody knew I was resitting or studying for the HPAT I didn't have anyone questioning me on how many hours I was doing etc.. Really took the pressure off and made fantastic friends too. hope that helped! ðŸ˜Š

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here.

After I did the HPAT the first time, I didn't get a place in medicine and so went into Biomed in UCD. Managed to get medicine then once I repeated the HPAT during my first year of college. I can't speak for the the other colleges, but the Biomedical Science Programme in UCD is top quality. I wouldn't choose a different second choice if I was to do it again.

The modules you study in Biomed are more closely related to the medicine modules than the nursing. Completing 1st year in biomed you're going to cover the majority of the anatomy for 1st and 2nd med as well as the key topics of physiology and pharmacology too. Those students who move from biomed stage 1 into medicine stage 2 the following year have such an advantage of those coming from premed.

While yes, what the user above me says is true about the majority of the year sitting the HPAT again I can tell you from my experience there was no competition among us biomeds. There are more than enough places to fit everyone into stage 2 medicine. It's really only as competitive as you make it. You're also going to have a lot of modules with the medicine students too so you get a chance to get to know your future class if you move in.

Aaronlp5 · 14-06-2015 1:58pm

What's the story with the new rule about being able to use LC points again? Like sitting lc and hpat one year and then just hpat if you had to try again? I heard about it on here but has that/will that come into effect?

Doctorhopeful · 14-06-2015 2:06pm

Aaronlp5 wrote: »

What's the story with the new rule about being able to use LC points again? Like sitting lc and hpat one year and then just hpat if you had to try again? I heard about it on here but has that/will that come into effect?

Being able to repeat the HPAT and use LC points from a previous year has been the status quo from the beginning. However, I heard from my guidance counsellor that this was being phased out and LC and HPAT points have to be presented from the same year. Just to add the the confusion, when I emailed ACER they said that there was no plan to alter the current entry process! Still haven't gotten my head around it

randylonghorn · 14-06-2015 7:11pm

Doctorhopeful wrote: »

Being able to repeat the HPAT and use LC points from a previous year has been the status quo from the beginning. However, I heard from my guidance counsellor that this was being phased out and LC and HPAT points have to be presented from the same year. Just to add the the confusion, when I emailed ACER they said that there was no plan to alter the current entry process! Still haven't gotten my head around it

Isn't it more that HPAT has to be the current year? (Originally your HPAT results were current for two years, I think). That might be what's confusing your GC ... before, if you repeated LC, you could re-use your HPAT score from the previous year if you were happy with it, now (in *that* case) the LC and HPAT points would have to be from the same year.

I haven't heard anything about people only being able to apply with this year's LC, and tbh I couldn't see it being implemented; DES and the SEC would be opposed to that rule I'd say, let alone students / parents / schools;you'd have serial LC repeats by people who had excellent LC results, but weren't doing well in HPAT.

That said, I'm not expert in this med stuff, so double-check for yourself.

Aaronlp5 · 15-06-2015 5:10pm

I'll probably need to get my LC points up when I repeat rather than hpat anyway so I guess it's grand either way.

Hon the Dubs · 15-06-2015 5:18pm

Still have 3 exams to go and I already know I won't get the points I need....

Gallagher1 · 15-06-2015 6:52pm

Exactly one week to go..

Itsjacklad · 16-06-2015 6:50pm

Does anyone know of anybody who has got their results for this year already ie. A mature student..?

vladd25 · 16-06-2015 7:46pm

Do you know if the results will come in the night before the 22nd or during the day??

Iamtheduchess · 16-06-2015 8:15pm

vladd25 wrote: »

Do you know if the results will come in the night before the 22nd or during the day??

Last year they were out at like 6 in the morning on the Monday.

etherealfairy · 17-06-2015 6:04pm

Leaving Cert was a disaster to be honest so I'll need to seriously rejig my CAO. Thanks for all the info re: biomed. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Gallagher1 · 17-06-2015 6:23pm

etherealfairy wrote: »

Leaving Cert was a disaster to be honest so I'll need to seriously rejig my CAO. Thanks for all the info re: biomed. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Under no circumstance take Medicine off your CAO

randylonghorn · 17-06-2015 6:46pm

I'm presuming / hoping she means she's looking seriously at / re-jigging backups!

Or else ...!

etherealfairy · 17-06-2015 7:03pm

randylonghorn wrote: »

I'm presuming / hoping she means she's looking seriously at / re-jigging backups!

Or else ...!

Yuuup don't worry!

It will stay on :rolleyes:

Tzashi · 17-06-2015 7:13pm

does anyone know when the hpat results are coming out?

etherealfairy · 17-06-2015 7:18pm

Tzashi wrote: »

does anyone know when the hpat results are coming out?

People are saying next Monday, the 22nd. From 6am.

ediface11 · 19-06-2015 12:16am

BBHenry wrote: »

I sat LC last year and had biomed as 2nd choice and then nursing.

Day before CAO closed I put nursing 2nd - a great option

I've done 2 months placement in the hospital and gained so much! Working in the hospital really helped me to understand the sacrifice it takes to be a doctor, being in there you'd get talking to the majority of SHOs etc.. Great insights from them and really inspired me to work harder for this years HPAT. You see the power struggle between nurses and doctors too, in that nurses haven't got much say at all in patient treatment and diagnosis', etc, which it was fascinates me the most! Way better than taking a year out. Also I have a friend in Biomed who says the majority of her year are people who were resitting the HPAT. There seemed to be a lot of competition. I felt that because I was in nursing I was a lot more relaxed, nobody knew I was resitting or studying for the HPAT I didn't have anyone questioning me on how many hours I was doing etc.. Really took the pressure off and made fantastic friends too. hope that helped! ðŸ˜Š

I also sat the leaving cert last year and narrowly missed medicine, with Pharmacy as my second option. I put it down on the CAO with 15 minutes to go on the deadline, and it was the best decision Ive ever made! I repeated the HPAT this year but can honestly say I thoroughly enjoyed the year of Pharmacy. It is such a similar course to medicine in the fact that you get experience in working with people, counselling patients, and the ins and outs of diseases and the drugs used to treat them. In fact, this year I completed a Pharmacology module with second year Meds, and we were required to know the subject in more detail than them, even though we had the same lectures!

It is such a broad degree, you can work in a hospital, community, industry, or in regulatory bodies. There really is something for everyone. ( If you dont like working with people at the end of the day, you could go into researching diseases and developing drugs to treat them!) Personally, after lots of consideration, I will accept Medicine if offered it following my HPAT results, but I would not be unhappy to continue my Pharmacy degree.

I have nothing against Nursing, but In my opinion, It is a vocation more focused on the caring side of Healthcare. If you are more orientated towards clinical knowledge of diseases and how they are treated & cured, I think Pharmacy would be a better choice.

I'm not trying to put any other choices down here, everybody is different and may be completely happy in their own choices!

Im just trying to offer some advice to people who may be as clueless as I was this time last year!

Pookla · 19-06-2015 3:07am

ediface11 wrote: »

I have nothing against Nursing, but In my opinion, It is a vocation more focused on the caring side of Healthcare.

That's actually a very important point. I know a lot of people who have encountered that sometimes people doubt someone's true commitment to medicine because they don't have nursing as a second option.

But they have such different ethoses that it's very unfair to compare the two. Sure they both take place on the wards but the similarity really begins to wear very thin after that.

Pharmacy is an excellent alternative and I'm glad it worked out for you.

FYI, physiotherapy is another excellent alternative and if you ever go on to do graduate entry medicine, it provides as good a starting block as pharmacy does.

Messo · 20-06-2015 2:43pm

etherealfairy wrote: »

People are saying next Monday, the 22nd. From 6am.

How do you know this for sure tho? Thank you!

etherealfairy · 20-06-2015 3:23pm

Messo wrote: »

How do you know this for sure tho? Thank you!

I don't, I saw it mentioned on this thread :rolleyes: That's why I said 'people are saying' :P

EoghanIRL · 20-06-2015 3:39pm

Dent is also a good option. Pretty much up there with med. A lot of the modules are very similar in year 1 and 2 , e.g physiology,pharmacology,biochemistry,clinical skills etc..
Nearly the entire dentistry class is comprised of people who decided to do med later in life due to missing med slightly in lc.
Dentisty is also the only course which allows you to do the advanced entry to medicine option.
Plus you can work as a dentist straight of the bat with a really good salary , allowing you to save for the expensive graduate entry fees.
A lot of lecturers have degrees in med and dent. For specialties like max fax, craniofacial, plastic surgery etc.. both are either necessary or desired.

It is a good option to consider.

Also I'll let you in on a secret.
Those who miss med do dent.
Those who miss dent do pharmacy.
All I can say is think carefully before you put down pharmacy. It's not as diverse as it's made out to be. Be prepared to work behind a counter in boots for the rest of your life.
I have spoken to several people who got out of pharmacy while they still could.

If you want to be a clinician of some sort then don't settle for second best. Repeat the lc and don't waste money on a year of a different course.

etherealfairy · 20-06-2015 5:25pm

EoghanIRL wrote: »

Also I'll let you in on a secret.
Those who miss med do dent.
Those who miss dent do pharmacy.
All I can say is think carefully before you put down pharmacy. It's not as diverse as it's made out to be. Be prepared to work behind a counter in boots for the rest of your life.
I have spoken to several people who got out of pharmacy while they still could.

If you want to be a clinician of some sort then don't settle for second best. Repeat the lc and don't waste money on a year of a different course.

What would people's opinions be on studying psychology? (Possibly with a language). I would probably go into psychiatry if I studied med, so perhaps it would be a good degree to then go on and do GEM?

ronivek · 20-06-2015 5:43pm

etherealfairy wrote: »

What would people's opinions be on studying psychology? (Possibly with a language). I would probably go into psychiatry if I studied med, so perhaps it would be a good degree to then go on and do GEM?

If you're interested in Psychology then of course; but GAMSAT needs undergraduate level (1st year at any rate) science. Also GEM is pretty expensive; if Medicine is really what you want and you don't get it this year then maybe repeating would be a better option.

etherealfairy · 20-06-2015 5:53pm

ronivek wrote: »

If you're interested in Psychology then of course; but GAMSAT needs undergraduate level (1st year at any rate) science. Also GEM is pretty expensive; if Medicine is really what you want and you don't get it this year then maybe repeating would be a better option.

Ahhhh... of course. As in, you'd be really lost prepping for the GAMSAT having not done biomed/pharmacy etc? Haven't done much research into it. Kind of took it for granted that I could do any undergrad I wanted and it would all work out just fine :pac:

Maybe I'll continue to delude myself for the moment, enjoy the summer, and deal with the possibility of repeating in August :rolleyes:

ronivek · 20-06-2015 6:06pm

etherealfairy wrote: »

Ahhhh... of course. As in, you'd be really lost prepping for the GAMSAT having not done biomed/pharmacy etc? Haven't done much research into it. Kind of took it for granted that I could do any undergrad I wanted and it would all work out just fine :pac:

Maybe I'll continue to delude myself for the moment, enjoy the summer, and deal with the possibility of repeating in August :rolleyes:

Well you wouldn't be really lost; but certainly you'd have to put in a decent bit of extra work to make up for it. It probably depends how strong your written section might be.

I guess my point is if Medicine is your ultimate goal then the Leaving Certificate is going to be the quickest and cheapest route. Maybe you've done much better then you think!

taara · 21-06-2015 10:20am

When do the results come out? I thought it was today but I never got an email about it and when I logged onto the ACER HPAT website there is nothing up yet.

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