White Pines Rathfarnham

07-08-2018 12:54am

62429268 wrote: »

if you used the recent development in Ballycullen Green, where a 3 bed was €400k, you can expect these to be in the region of €420k. However I find the use of the address 'Rathfarnham' a bit of a stretch. Tallaght is closer! So don't be fooled by the address!

This happens a lot especially with the Rathfarnham address (when it's nowhere near Rathfarnham village and actually closer to Tallaght than Rathfarnham), also happening with "Leopardstown"

I'm sure there's other examples

GingerLily · 07-08-2018 1:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This happens a lot especially with the Rathfarnham address (when it's nowhere near Rathfarnham village and actually closer to Tallaght than Rathfarnham), also happening with "Leopardstown"

I'm sure there's other examples

Its a very large old area, sure look where Rathfarnham golf club extends to.

You are correct in saying the village is far from that end of Rathfarnham.

youcancallmeal · 07-08-2018 10:50am

Dubgal18 wrote: »

Hi there, does anyone have any further info in regards to this development and local surroundings, future planning in the lands adjacent etc? Thanks in advance

Have a search for Ballycullen Oldcourt Plan. It's a good few years old now but it is all the housing plans that have were zoned for the area, most of which are built now. There is also commercial property and primary and secondary schools in the plan but none of them have been built, only the housing. The commercial property is actually zoned for across the road from white pines but I doubt any developer will ever bother. There was talk of the schools being built recently up around abbot's grove but still in very preliminary stages I believe

Grassey · 07-08-2018 10:53am

youcancallmeal wrote: »

The commercial property is actually zoned for across the road from white pines but I doubt any developer will ever bother.

I think they've started the works across there in the last few weeks, it's still in the plans as per the SDCC planning approved in Dec 2017. Drove past yesterday and they've started to clear the topsoil now.

Developer is Ardstone, same as WhitePines.

Edgware · 07-08-2018 4:18pm

GingerLily wrote: »

Its a very large old area, sure look where Rathfarnham golf club extends to.

You are correct in saying the village is far from that end of Rathfarnham.

Its called Rathfarnham Golf Club but that is a relatively new course probably late 60s early 70s. The original Rathfarnham Golf Club was located between the shopping centre and the village along by the Dodder

youcancallmeal · 07-08-2018 4:27pm

Grassey wrote: »

I think they've started the works across there in the last few weeks, it's still in the plans as per the SDCC planning approved in Dec 2017. Drove past yesterday and they've started to clear the topsoil now.

Developer is Ardstone, same as WhitePines.

https://www.sdcc.ie/en/services/planning/local-area-plans/existing/ballycullen-oldcourt/ballycullen-oldcourt-lap-final.pdf

Actually according to this it's meant to be a community center and not commercial property. Maybe there is an updated version of the LAP? Anyway I'm guessing they'll only build the housing across the road

Grassey · 07-08-2018 4:59pm

That LAP seems more a guideline. A number of changes further down the road around Dodderbrook not lining up with it for example.

Anyways - the yellow section is a creche and retail units (which is subject to a separate planning) so looks like only the houses going in now as you'd guessed.

Application SD17A/0443 & SD17A/0359 I think are the 2 relevant ones from a very cursory glance.

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/Planning/ViewDocument?fileId=5994067

Dubgal18 · 08-08-2018 10:15am

Thanks all for your responses, very helpful! I’m interested in white pines but worried about the unknowns in terms of future building, traffic etc as well as the lack of visitor parking in the estate itself!

GingerLily · 08-08-2018 10:26am

Grassey wrote: »

That LAP seems more a guideline. A number of changes further down the road around Dodderbrook not lining up with it for example.

Anyways - the yellow section is a creche and retail units (which is subject to a separate planning) so looks like only the houses going in now as you'd guessed.

Application SD17A/0443 & SD17A/0359 I think are the 2 relevant ones from a very cursory glance.

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/Planning/ViewDocument?fileId=5994067

Where on the website would I find similar documents for nearby areas?

Grassey · 08-08-2018 10:37am

GingerLily wrote: »

Where on the website would I find similar documents for nearby areas?

Searchable Map

Main search-and-view/

dkiernan9 · 08-08-2018 4:48pm

See (SDCC Reg. . Ref. SD10A/0041; (ABP Ref. PL06.237857) - Ardstone applied to amend this under SD17A/0359. The condition in relation to a retail unit is still applicable. No houses can be occupied on the south site until the creche and retail until is complete. I live in Stocking Wood so been keeping a close eye.

Dubgal18 · 08-08-2018 5:06pm

Does anyone know what type of retail unit it’ll be? E.g Aldi or something like the Woodstown shops? Thanks

dkiernan9 · 08-08-2018 5:14pm

Doesn't say. An Bord Pleanala decision states "No dwelling in Precinct 3 shall be occupied until crèche facilities and a retail unit have been provided in the development. These facilities may be for a temporary period of time and may utilise a residential plot, subject to planning permission, until the neighbour centre to be provided for the development has been constructed."

seamus · 08-08-2018 5:27pm

From the very original plans filed in the mid-2000s, the plan was a "neighbourhood centre", including office space, shops and a creche. So very much like the Woodstown shops.

The most recent plan for this areas is here: http://www.sdublincoco.ie/Planning/Details?regref=SD07A/0628

As far I can tell, this was bundled into a new ten-year application in 2009.

This application required that the community centre/facilities must be fully completed before the houses on the south east of the site could be occupied.

dkiernan9 · 26-08-2018 10:21am

Anyone moved in yet? Still looks unoccupied four months after the first phase was launched.

Grassey · 26-08-2018 10:51am

I've heard snagging Sept for moving in Oct

seany212121 · 24-09-2018 9:40am

Has anyone bought a house up here was looking at the weekend still a good few on sale at the moment?

dkiernan9 · 24-09-2018 9:54am

Any mention of the shops to be built when you were there over the weekend?

seany212121 · 24-09-2018 10:04am

dkiernan9 wrote: »

Any mention of the shops to be built when you were there over the weekend?

Yeah they have laid the foundations across the road from talking to them it looks like 8 retail units are going in and they hope to have them complete by early next year

steamsey · 24-09-2018 10:22am

Good to hear that. The area badly needs something other than more housing. Crazy that they approach is to build a sh*t load of houses and not have to put in shops, creches etc at a minimum.

The amount of people living up there now is insane compared to a few years back and the only addition in terms of facilities is the Lidl. Could use a proper village around Stocking Wood area. Not to mention that Ballycullen Green and White Pines are not even populated yet so over the coming months, there's be another few hundred cars on those already cramped roads and the existing facilities (basically Lidl and Woodstown shops) will be under more pressure.

There's still a few fields on the right as you drive up the hill towards Lidl - I wonder when they will be developed.

And for such a populated area, the lack of public transport is unbelievable. I think they've put in a (future) bus stop area outside Ballycullen Green (new estate) so assuming the 15 will go down that way and add another leg onto its already silly route.

dkiernan9 · 24-09-2018 10:38am

Note sure if they are telling the truth about that. There has been no planning application lodged for the shops (previous grant has long since expired). Only planning granted for more houses over there at the moment. Looks like all ground works completed on the site to date relate to houses.

@ steamsev: not sure what is wrong with the 15 route. It goes directly into town. Maybe you mean the 15b??

steamsey · 24-09-2018 10:53am

Yes meant 15b - very frustrating bus to use.

I really hope those groundworks are not just for more houses.

GingerLily · 24-09-2018 10:56am

steamsey wrote: »

Yes meant 15b - very frustrating bus to use.

I really hope those groundworks are not just for more houses.

The 15b will be gone soon with the new bus networks!

Grassey · 24-09-2018 11:31am

steamsey wrote: »

I think they've put in a (future) bus stop area outside Ballycullen Green (new estate) so assuming the 15 will go down that way and add another leg onto its already silly route.

Those bus stops were already there, they had to move one for the entrance to Ballycullen green.

15/15b can't go down that far because there is nowhere to turn*, that's why they terminate at Dalriada. There was talk about extending the loop if/when the ring road to bohernabreena is completed... but that's years away.

* safely turn, some buses have 'tested' turning in the mouth of the Lidl junction but that's not a solution.

seany212121 · 24-09-2018 11:32am

dkiernan9 wrote: »

Note sure if they are telling the truth about that. There has been no planning application lodged for the shops (previous grant has long since expired). Only planning granted for more houses over there at the moment. Looks like all ground works completed on the site to date relate to houses.

Could be a bunch of lies also you can see they have started to build in that area but no idea what they are building yet, the sales agent did say 100% that shops will be going in there but again could be just a sales pitch.

We are interested in the houses but still some uncertainty around traffic and other stuff really its hard to know as they are nice houses and does look a nice little area.

dkiernan9 · 24-09-2018 11:57am

Great area. We moved into Stocking Wood 3 years ago and really enjoy it. Hopefully the shops will go in but not too bad as Lidl and Spar just up the road.

steamsey · 24-09-2018 12:17pm

It is a good area. Traffic is crap, but is there anywhere in Dublin without a traffic problem?

Woodstown shops are extemely handy - Spar, pharmacy, offy, creche and a standard horrible take away! Lidl is also a gift. Supervalu in Knocklyon is very close, but again the traffic can make it seem miles away. I'm not in the car much around the area but when I am, I wish I wasn't.

Question for anyone who knows the area well - is there a route to walking up to the Hellfire through fields from Ballycullen Green area / Old Court Lane? How do you get to Carthy's castle ruins?

ace_irl · 24-09-2018 3:04pm

steamsey wrote: »

Question for anyone who knows the area well - is there a route to walking up to the Hellfire through fields from Ballycullen Green area / Old Court Lane? How do you get to Carthy's castle ruins?

No I don’t think there is, that land is all privately owned. You can walk the road up but it’s a bit dicey.

steamsey · 24-09-2018 3:32pm

Cheers - I know the road well and would never walk on it. See people on it all the time - can't be fun. I rarely even cycle on it.

....... · 24-09-2018 3:34pm

steamsey wrote: »

Question for anyone who knows the area well - is there a route to walking up to the Hellfire through fields from Ballycullen Green area / Old Court Lane? How do you get to Carthy's castle ruins?

Yes there is a direct ascent but its through private land and the landowner isnt best pleased when people scale his gates and try it.

Carthys Castle is also on private land - not sure if that landowner minds people going to it.

steamsey · 24-09-2018 3:41pm

Yeah I know where the gate is that'd you'd jump to get to the Castle ruins and on up to the Hellfire but didn't want to trespass. I'll find a way to ask the landowner

dkiernan9 · 08-10-2018 4:09pm

Anyone up there over the last few weekends? Any word on a shop. Emailed Ardstone directly and they said that they are hoping to lodge a planning application before the end of the year with a view to have shops open towards the end of 2019.

....... · 09-10-2018 10:32am

dkiernan9 wrote: »

Anyone up there over the last few weekends? Any word on a shop. Emailed Ardstone directly and they said that they are hoping to lodge a planning application before the end of the year with a view to have shops open towards the end of 2019.

Yeah, heard the same in 2005 - shop was supposed to be open by end of 2006.

Believe nothing til you see it.

Dial Hard · 10-10-2018 4:19pm

steamsey wrote: »

Not to mention that Ballycullen Green and White Pines are not even populated yet so over the coming months, there's be another few hundred cars on those already cramped roads and the existing facilities (basically Lidl and Woodstown shops) will be under more pressure.

And another 350 units to go into Dodderbrook before it's finished, don't forget.

ace_irl · 10-10-2018 4:25pm

Dial Hard wrote: »

And another 350 units to go into Dodderbrook before it's finished, don't forget.

Also Corgraves land was sold on Schloarstown road so we're looking at more houses there adding to the congestion up to the M50 and school.

No word on the plans as of yet, think they've only done some drilling for testing but they could get a fair amount of houses on it.

SELJK · 12-11-2018 8:42pm

Does anyone know if the creche has been built? Or if any chains have purchased it?

dkiernan9 · 13-11-2018 9:56am

Not built yet. Not even started as far as I can see.

dkiernan9 · 09-01-2019 1:37pm

Anyone heard anything about a shop yet?

youcancallmeal · 09-01-2019 7:51pm

No shops or anything like that but apparently planning permission is granted for 40 social units between White Pines and the halting site. It's out to tender now. There's uproar on facebook about it saying infrastructure needs to be improved before more houses go in.

dkiernan9 · 09-01-2019 9:03pm

No planning yet for social housing. It has been put out for public consultation

dkiernan9 · 09-01-2019 9:12pm

People should engage in the consultation process. See south dublin county council website. There are issues with the halting site and building social housing around it is madness.

DirkVoodoo · 11-01-2019 2:36pm

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dkiernan9 wrote: »

People should engage in the consultation process. See south dublin county council website. There are issues with the halting site and building social housing around it is madness.

Can you clarify this? Going through the process of closing a sale in white pines.

Are there issues arising out of the halting site that directly affect the estate (crime, antisocial behaviour in the estate) or is it just the halting site itself is an issue? I've been cycling around there a few times and there was a good deal of rubbish, but as long as it's not in the estate I'm not too concerned.

Grassey · 11-01-2019 2:42pm

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Came across this earlier

DirkVoodoo · 11-01-2019 2:48pm

Grassey wrote: »

Came across this earlier

Closed group so I can't grab the image myself....could you please enlarge the plan view.

Are the yellow/red areas the existing halting site??

Grassey · 11-01-2019 2:52pm

Sorry, that's the image that was shared with me, don't have access to that group. Orange is existing halting site. Blue, yellow, and section to the right would be my understanding of the 150 proposed houses.

seany212121 · 11-01-2019 5:27pm

So they are possibly planning on build 150 social houses next to the halting site that is a little worrying. I am in the process of a sale in white pines also I was at the house the other day they are building white pines village across the road which I presume is shops but not sure at all.

DirkVoodoo · 13-01-2019 3:14pm

To anyone who has moved in: Have you found the specification of your house varies much from the show houses or advertisements?

Twice I have asked to view our potential property and twice I have been given the run around by the estate agent: "Have to cancel, painting", "We'll show you the show house again"

This has me very worried. Probably the most significant purchase I will make and I haven't even seen the final product!

seany212121 · 14-01-2019 1:29pm

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

To anyone who has moved in: Have you found the specification of your house varies much from the show houses or advertisements?

Twice I have asked to view our potential property and twice I have been given the run around by the estate agent: "Have to cancel, painting", "We'll show you the show house again"

This has me very worried. Probably the most significant purchase I will make and I haven't even seen the final product!

We are in the process of buying here have seen the house pretty much the exact same as the show houses.

1 problem we have had is the snagging found a few problems nothing major but have been back and forth 4 times now trying to get them to fix stuff it's a nightmare.

Also the shops which are meant to be going in the have white pines village center advertised outside but looking on the site it seems like houses they are building across the road very confusing really.

dkiernan9 · 14-01-2019 3:16pm

The only real problem with the halting site is the dumping around it. The Council have done absolutely nothing about it. I understand bin contractors will not go into the site and so the Council seem to allow the dumping and then collect it every 6 months. They are unable to look after 10 houses and then they propose another 40!!

steamsey · 14-01-2019 3:37pm

dkiernan9 wrote: »

The only real problem with the halting site is the dumping around it. The Council have done absolutely nothing about it. I understand bin contractors will not go into the site and so the Council seem to allow the dumping and then collect it every 6 months. They are unable to look after 10 houses and then they propose another 40!!

They do also dump up and down that stretch of road from the halting site to Allenton. They seem to do it on a Saturday night. Their favourite spots are on the OldCourt Road, near Dodderbrook. I know it can be them as I've caught them in the act. Makes a real mess of the area at times and is a real shame. It's a pain, but not too bad. Thankfully, they largely throw their rubbish over their back wall - so when you're driving South bound on the M50 - you can see the rear wall of the halting site on your right - that area can be a real mess.

White Pines Rathfarnham

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