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Starlord_01 · 08-04-2020 9:54am

xtal191 wrote: »

I've a horrible feeling Ferguson will lose and we'll never see him and Khabib fight. Still wouldn't be surprised if this card doesn't go ahead

Has this written all over it. The way Ferguson fights you would expect Gaethje to be able to land flush.

mailburner · 08-04-2020 10:59am

xtal191 wrote: »

I've a horrible feeling Ferguson will lose and we'll never see him and Khabib fight. Still wouldn't be surprised if this card doesn't go ahead

I'm so torn as I love both of these fighters but I feel the same

yourdeadwright · 08-04-2020 11:05am

So let me get this straight this card is not on the island, but after this the island comes into play right ?

Can see McGregor wanting to fight on the island why wouldn't you be great to be part of that card just for a historic view point ,

mailburner · 08-04-2020 11:07am

Fromvert wrote: »

- Over 10 million people have filed for unemployment in the US in March and there will be more this week and next.
- Millions more are fearful of losing their jobs in the near future.
- People can't gather in groups to split the cost. (What the UFC have previously stated as a core group who buy their PPV's)
- There's a star studded telethon free to air on the same date.

I just don't see a lot of people spending $65 on the UFC when one of largest recessions is just starting.

People will always find money for this kind of thing, same with beer, fags, drugs etc etc and those adhering to the rules will stay at home and buy it rather than meeting up in groups so even more ppvs surely.
I'm sure a lot will spend that on beer and pizza alone for one night.

If the ufc have any shred of decency (unlikely) then they'll lower the ppv to around $40 or less, really feel they have to though on this one.

I wouldn't pay the full price myself for most ppvs but I would for this one given the circumstances if I lived in the states

08-04-2020 11:40am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Not rightful until he beats the champ. You're either deluded or trolling to think otherwise!

Nonsense.

How can he beat someone that doesn't want to fight him?

Mellor · 08-04-2020 11:42am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So let me get this straight this card is not on the island, but after this the island comes into play right ?

Can see McGregor wanting to fight on the island why wouldn't you be great to be part of that card just for a historic view point ,

This card is domestic fighters only, the island was an option thrown out there for international fighters. I don't see how it would be possible

mailburner wrote: »

I wouldn't pay the full price myself for most ppvs but I would for this one given the circumstances if I lived in the states

Given the situation everyone is in right now, many will just say screw it and pay the money. I've never paid for a PPV on my tod, but I probably will for this one, unless there's an obvious alternative.

Mellor · 08-04-2020 11:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

Nonsense.

How can he beat someone that doesn't want to fight him?

If Tony can't findof a way he must not want it enough. :P

No matter how many bums Tony adds to his win streak.
Khabib is the lineal champ. Really silly to argue otherwise.

ASOT · 08-04-2020 11:55am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nonsense.

How can he beat someone that doesn't want to fight him?

Using your logic the same can be said for Tony considering he pulled out of two fights?

derfderf · 08-04-2020 12:09pm

As much as i want to see Khabib vs Tony, the main draw of it is that they're the top two fighters in the division.
If Justin wins that's no longer the case.
I can live without Tony and Khabib in that case.

Starlord_01 · 08-04-2020 12:26pm

derfderf wrote: »

As much as i want to see Khabib vs Tony, the main draw of it is that they're the top two fighters in the division.
If Justin wins that's no longer the case.
I can live without Tony and Khabib in that case.

After the fight falling apart for the 5th time, I NEED to see it.

Gaethje won't be easy for Ferguson though.

ricero · 08-04-2020 12:42pm

I honestly feel Khabib smashes Tony. Kevin Lee took Tony down with absolute ease so I can only imagine what Khabib will do to him.

Think Gaethje would be a tougher fight for Khabib.

Mellor · 08-04-2020 12:55pm

ricero wrote: »

I honestly feel Khabib smashes Tony. Kevin Lee took Tony down with absolute ease so I can only imagine what Khabib will do to him.

Think Gaethje would be a tougher fight for Khabib.

I agree with that, based on what we've seen to date.
I've said for a while that Tony concedes the ground to easily because he doesn't mind being there. Which is fine against Kevin Lee, who has a poor submission grappling game. But Khabib will pin him and grind out the round.

Obvious there's a chance he could adjust for the opponent, but I don't think so. Not Tony.

Gaethje on the other hand. I think he'd use his wrestling more defensively and give Khabib potential issues on the feet.

And in a true mexican stand-off fashion, I think Tony's unorthodox tendencies give Gaethje trouble. Tony by darce off a high single.

DrPhilG · 08-04-2020 12:59pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/sports/ufc-249-coronavirus-location.html

Tachi Palace on reservation land gets UFC 249.

Sorry if already posted.

Ush1 · 08-04-2020 1:16pm

ricero wrote: »

I honestly feel Khabib smashes Tony. Kevin Lee took Tony down with absolute ease so I can only imagine what Khabib will do to him.

Think Gaethje would be a tougher fight for Khabib.

The X factor is Tonys cardio and durability. I don't think he will finish Tony, but will he get tired of holding him down and throwing shots?

If it goes the distance it will be Khabib decision win.

ASOT · 08-04-2020 1:26pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/sports/ufc-249-coronavirus-location.html

Tachi Palace on reservation land gets UFC 249.

Sorry if already posted.

Wonder who will oversee the fights.

funkey_monkey · 08-04-2020 1:37pm

Where does Tony vs Justin leave Conor - considering that Justin was meant to be Conors next fight in the summer?

DrPhilG · 08-04-2020 1:41pm

ASOT wrote: »

Wonder who will oversee the fights.

UFC themselves, same as many international events.

Interesting to see how they get on with getting officials, judges and refs etc. I know they do generally just hire them privately for non commission events but the commissions have no issue with their people working abroad privately.

They might take a dim view of them defying Government social distancing advice to go work on a reservation at an event that has been criticised by both the CSAC and the Association of Ringside Physicians.

Mellor · 08-04-2020 4:07pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Where does Tony vs Justin leave Conor - considering that Justin was meant to be Conors next fight in the summer?

If anything, this sets up the title picture for the year.

The loser fights Conor in July.
The winner fights Khabib in August.
The two subsequent winners fight in December.

Still Ill · 08-04-2020 5:20pm

Mellor wrote: »

If anything, this sets up the title picture for the year.

The loser fights Conor in July.
The winner fights Khabib in August.
The two subsequent winners fight in December.

In an ideal world, yeah.. Good luck with that though! The lightweight division has been moving very slowly due to a host of reasons. Hard to see that changing, particularly with the stated the planet is in at the moment.

mailburner · 08-04-2020 5:45pm

ricero wrote: »

I honestly feel Khabib smashes Tony. Kevin Lee took Tony down with absolute ease so I can only imagine what Khabib will do to him.

Think Gaethje would be a tougher fight for Khabib.

I think so too but Justin will stand and trade

Gaethje has only really failed late on in two absolute dogfights where he went swinging from the start.
ferguson won't trouble Gaethje at all in the early rounds imo, (rnd1+2) late on who knows? not many can keep fergusons pace for five.
I really hope this goes the distance, possible fight of the year if it does.

MidlanderMan · 08-04-2020 7:11pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/sports/ufc-249-coronavirus-location.html

Tachi Palace on reservation land gets UFC 249.

Sorry if already posted.

Called it..

MidlanderMan · 08-04-2020 7:12pm

ASOT wrote: »

Wonder who will oversee the fights.

The Tibes have their own sanctioning bodies. When Bellator to their shows at the massive casino resort in Connecticut they thank the tribe and elders for sanctioning the event.

MidlanderMan · 08-04-2020 7:14pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Interesting to see how they get on with getting officials, judges and refs etc. /quote]

Same as when they had events in reservations back in the day and Bellator do now, and when they have events in Ireland or the UK. Hire them directly.

Mehaffey1 · 08-04-2020 7:25pm

Another point is the officials might get a call but will they be willing to work it out of 1). Covid19 Fears or 2). Professional fears for working outside of restrictions when this pandemic is over.

Still can't see this happening, US Government may not be able to stop it but I'm sure they can find a way to threaten the U.F.C with fines or regulatory action on return to normalcy.

Mehaffey1 · 08-04-2020 7:28pm

See Luke Thomas has came out pretty much saying he's going to refuse to cover or discuss UFC249 on his independent platforms. Strong stance from him, strikes me as a very complicated man in general even odd could be used as a description.

DrPhilG · 08-04-2020 7:44pm

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Same as when they had events in reservations back in the day and Bellator do now, and when they have events in Ireland or the UK. Hire them directly.

Read the rest of my post.

I know that's how they hire officials etc for international events.

My query is how many of those officials will risk the wrath of the State Athletic Commission who provide the bulk of their income, to work some one off events for the UFC in controversial events that the SAC openly criticised.

As also pointed out by Mehaffey1 a few posts back.

eagle eye · 08-04-2020 7:55pm

Mehaffey1 wrote:

See Luke Thomas has came out pretty much saying he's going to refuse to cover or discuss UFC249 on his independent platforms. Strong stance from him, strikes me as a very complicated man in general even odd could be used as a description.

Never heard of Luke Thomas before but he's right and the UFC are wrong.

ricero · 08-04-2020 7:56pm

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

See Luke Thomas has came out pretty much saying he's going to refuse to cover or discuss UFC249 on his independent platforms. Strong stance from him, strikes me as a very complicated man in general even odd could be used as a description.

Luke Thomas loves the sound of his own voice and is an egomaniac. The MMA Hour tanked with him in charge as did the MMA Beat podcast.

Let him act the hero I'm sure the Ufc wont care.

MrStuffins · 08-04-2020 8:01pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Never heard of Luke Thomas before but he's right and the UFC are wrong.

UFC shouldn't be going ahead with this, but that doesn't make Luke Thomas right.

He's a reporter and reports on MMA. MMA will be happening so just report on it. Nobody cares if he wants to "boycott" this or not. The news will just be reported elsewhere

Zero-Cool · 08-04-2020 8:03pm

ricero wrote: »

Luke Thomas loves the sound of his own voice and is an egomaniac. The MMA Hour tanked with him in charge as did the MMA Beat podcast.

Let him act the hero I'm sure the Ufc wont care.

It was painful listening to their round tables when he was in charge, wouldn't let anyone talk, had to have the last say, talking over the lads. No time for that or him.

Fromvert · 08-04-2020 8:25pm

Luke Thomas can be very annoying but he's one of the few MMA media members that isn't part of the PR arm of the UFC. Actually prefer him when he isn't talking about MMA. Cheerleaders are what Ariel Helwani, Brett Okamoto, Kevin Iole, John Morgan etc. are. Fair enough they don't want to be blackballed like Josh Gross and Jonathan Snowden but offer something other than what they currently do which is ask no hard questions and keep the negatives comments to a minimum. Possibly have an opinion about something.

What other group of sport journalists act like this? None because they're actually journalists not people who type up results and report on good UFC numbers and do softball interviews.

Esse85 · 08-04-2020 10:50pm

Gaethje last fought in September.

He's taken this fight on about 2 weeks notice.

Ferguson has been preparing for a fight the last 12 weeks.

I fully expect Ferguson to win based on the above.

Axwell · 08-04-2020 11:30pm

Thug Rose reportedly out of UFC 249

Zero-Cool · 08-04-2020 11:52pm

Axwell wrote: »

Thug Rose reportedly out of UFC 249

Aw no! I mean, i don't blame any fighter for pulling out in the crazy times but i was mad to see her fight again.

Mehaffey1 · 08-04-2020 11:58pm

Axwell wrote: »

Thug Rose reportedly out of UFC 249

Never took the second to stop and think about Rose being on the card. Considering her personality I'm not surprised if she's said no. Reading 'undisclosed reasons' but fair play to her if she has declined to fight. She runs into Dana's Wrath unfortunately as I'm sure he'll not hold back his comments.

Mellor · 09-04-2020 1:12am

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Called it..

It was obvious it was going to be on reservation land once it was confirm as in the US. There is literally no other options. Only question was which one.

MidlanderMan wrote: »

The Tibes have their own sanctioning bodies. When Bellator to their shows at the massive casino resort in Connecticut they thank the tribe and elders for sanctioning the event.

The reservation in Connecticut is Monegan Sun. They are huge and have their own commission. They also sanction Belators UK/Ireland events.
Tachi Palace in a smaller reservation casino in California, they used to hold WEC events and regional shows. I'm not sure, but I don't think they have their own commission, looks like CSAC have been involved in previous shows.
This could be UFC solo, or Monegan Sun

eagle eye · 09-04-2020 2:28am

The Mohegan Sun is closed to the public at the present time. I doubt they'd run anything as they have a great reputation and wouldn't risk losing that.

Mellor · 09-04-2020 4:40am

eagle eye wrote: »

The Mohegan Sun is closed to the public at the present time.

Tachi Palace is also currently closed to the public.
I was referring to the Monegan Sun Athletic commission, not the casino.

I doubt they'd run anything as they have a great reputation and wouldn't risk losing that.

Do you mean the casino or the athletic commission.

As the latter have a terrible reputation.

ASOT · 09-04-2020 7:59am

Cejudo is fighting Cruz instead of Aldo at UFC 250.

As the events been moved from Brazil so Also cant travel to the us.

Mellor · 09-04-2020 8:14am

ASOT wrote: »

Cejudo is fighting Cruz instead of Aldo at UFC 250.

As the events been moved from Brazil so Also cant travel to the us.

I'd assume UFC 251 is off too.

ASOT · 09-04-2020 8:15am

Mellor wrote: »

I'd assume UFC 251 is off too.

It'll probably be on that weird island If it materializes Mellor and not Perth unfortunately, were you due to go?

Mellor · 09-04-2020 8:20am

ASOT wrote: »

It'll probably be on that weird island If it materializes Mellor

Tasmania? :pac::pac::pac:

MidlanderMan · 09-04-2020 8:37am

Right lads so where is Dana's weird island that's not in the US and has a landing strip big enough to accommodate a plane carrying several fighters and their teams?

DrPhilG · 09-04-2020 9:26am

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Right lads so where is Dana's weird island that's not in the US and has a landing strip big enough to accommodate a plane carrying several fighters and their teams?

yourdeadwright · 09-04-2020 10:18am

Not surprised Rose pulled out ,
She was probably the worst big name to have on the card giving her personally issues , she seems to be a very fragil character its actually amazing that she made it as far as she has, Very troubled childhood and then her fiancé Barry had his fair share of drug issues that she had to deal with,

EagererBeaver · 09-04-2020 10:51am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not surprised Rose pulled out ,
She was probably the worst big name to have on the card giving her personally issues , she seems to be a very fragil character its actually amazing that she made it as far as she has, Very troubled childhood and then her fiancé Barry had his fair share of drug issues that she had to deal with,

None of which has anything to do with a perfectly rational and sensible decision not to participate in this absolute farce.

Whelo79 · 09-04-2020 11:35am

When you take into account staff and customers, there's probably more people in my local Tesco now than there will be at this event.

'IF' all the attendees are being tested in advance to ensure they are symptom free, and providing there is the necessary medical care on site, I personally don't see the issue with the event going ahead.

Beersmith · 09-04-2020 11:55am

Id agree with that but a lot more goes in having fights go ahead though. Camps have to be run, gyms need to be opened, training partners, blood tests (sent to labs that probably have better things to be doing) , travel and fight wear arranged, a whole multitude of things that will involve 100s more people doing things they wouldn't have to if this wasn't going ahead.

weemcd · 09-04-2020 12:00pm

Whelo79 wrote: »

When you take into account staff and customers, there's probably more people in my local Tesco now than there will be at this event.

'IF' all the attendees are being tested in advance to ensure they are symptom free, and providing there is the necessary medical care on site, I personally don't see the issue with the event going ahead.

Getting groceries is essential. Having an MMA event is a complete and total luxury. It's a risk nobody needs to take.

This is about Dana White's ego, keeping up with Vince McMahon and cold hard cash.

Beersmith · 09-04-2020 12:51pm

The testing and doctors that will be needed could be much better used elsewhere also. Not as if we aren't already short worldwide!

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