Gender Identity in Modern Ireland (Mod warnings and Threadbanned Users in OP)

km991148 wrote: »

So you can only join the debate if you have followed every other debate and know all your TLAs inside out.. give me a break ffs

If you are going to play the innocent ingenue, then keep your story straight from the start.

you earlier..

Usual faces with the usual 'outrage'.. You would think there was a band of extremists on the prowl kidnapping children with butterfly nets and forcing hormones and gender change on them before releasing them back into the population they way some of you carry on

Gatling wrote: »

Someone in work was talking about a show on C4 naked dating ,
People choose a date based off looking at the other people who happen to be naked before they meet ,
Channel 4 so no surprise there ,

Straight girl decided she wanted her first lesbian experience with a trans women who hadn't transitioned ,so she wanted hetro sex with a man with boobs ,
As this somehow qualified as an lesbian experience,

There was also a trans woman in it one night who had a complete **** fit when she wasn’t chosen to go on the date.

km991148 wrote: »

Your narrative (no one said that). Again. This really would be a much healthier conversation without the snark.

Meh, deflect however you want.

And you entered the thread snarkily.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No. You don't have to follow every detail of the debate. That gender theory ideology has influenced the debate is a fairly fundamental point to the whole debate and the history of the debate.

You are asking for peer reviewed articles to prove post modern deconstructionist gender theory ideology is being actively used to overthrow empirical science. ( Cynical Theories by Helen Puckrose)

Nobody is asking you to read all the other threads but you cannot expect people to explain that to you. Which to be honest will take a while and you can't even be arsed googling it.

Thank you jam mac jam *Bows

Sex is determined scientifically by chromosomes.

However, I believe there are absolutely genuine cases where a person believes they are born into the wrong body and it causes them tremendous heartache and difficulty, whether it's intersex, hormonal whatever and that they have the right as a fully grown informed adult to address this in whatever way they want, dressing as the preferred sex, gender reassignment surgery etc. I wouldn't treat anyone any differently as a result either.

I've read a lot on this as I don't fully understand it and the piece that concerns me is the treatment of children. Reports 're The Tavistock Clinic, Gender Dysphoria and Detransitioning are concerning.
There was even research done on a situation in the UK where 7 girls all wanted to transition and 5 have changed their mind since covid given the reduced interaction with their peers.

I don't think anyone under 18 should be allowed receive hormone treatment. If they still want to transition as a fully informed adult, then I have no issue.

The teenager years and puberty years cause huge angst & I think that's why there are so many incorrectly diagnosed. I developed early as a child and hated my breasts & the attention that came with them. I bound them, hid them everything...if someone asked me as a 11/12, i'm fairly sure gender reasignment would have appealed to me, when all I needed was to mature.

km991148 wrote: »

A tragic case, no doubt.



Try that again in simple terms, because really it doesn't sound like a real thing at all.
I'd appreciate some some empirical evidence or papers to back this up.

However, this frame of thought falsely makes us believe that science is an objective enterprise and transcends culture. For many scientists, we are convinced that objectivity prevents an oppressive culture because discoveries are independent of identity. Consequently, we unknowingly spread whiteness ideology.

This is certainly not true of the hard sciences, and rarely true for the social sciences. Yet no distinction is made throughout the paper and in fact only refers to the former.

However, the issue is not that scientists do not believe that science has a multicultural origin, but rather the way that we conceptualize and think about science makes people believe that Western science is the only science that “works”, which facilitates master scripting and erasure of stories and knowledge that are not considered “standard” knowledge (Swartz 1992).

There is no such thing as 'Western science' to begin with, there is just science... the bolded part seems to be suggesting we should accept pseudo-science as fact as long as it isn't Western pseudo-science.

I am not sure if you will have access to the paper but I suggest you read it to get a nice introduction into what the OP was talking about, the paper is a bunch of racist rubbish:

Since whiteness is characterized as a hegemonic racial dominance that has become so natural it is almost invisible

According to Matias (2016a, b), whiteness is the problem because it is almost seemingly invisible to detect because of its normativity (Rothenberg 2008), and the issues of racism that lead to racial achievement gaps would not be had if whiteness did not exist. Plainly, race is only an issue because whiteness exists.

Whiteness embraces White ideology, and because Whites are at the apex of the racial hierarchy, whiteness becomes normalized and is invisible to those who benefit the most from it (Matias, Viesca, Garrison-Wade, Tandon, and Galindo 2014). This is particularly troubling because the normality of whiteness means that Whites do not believe that they are actively investing in White supremacy or racism, which keeps oppression intact.

it is paramount that we think about acts of whiteness and how it can be used to undermine our students of Color. If we want to commit to racial justice within science education, we must have science educators who are not complicit in whiteness.

For example, Matias and Michalinos Zembylas (2014) studied White teacher candidates and noted that they hid emotions of disgust and lacked authentic care for their students of Color due to their inability to unpack their own whiteness.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11422-017-9854-9

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me how it is persons who are not transgendered that seem to have the most objection to it?

If you don't have the mental tenacity, or capacity, to comprehend what transsexuals are going through, I fail to see why you are entitled to an opinion on the matter?

By criticizing their existence and demanding that they adhere to their birth identity, or thus facilitate other biological boundaries, you are not fully understanding how a transsexual feels. In brief you couldn't unless you are a transsexual?

I don't understand people who feel it is their right to impose their will or attitude on anyone else's? If you do not understand someone else, you certainly have no right to pass comment on their existence? This world is to be shared, the last time I looked around for a common consensus anyways.

I think people should try to be more kind to others, rather than judging them and trying to itemize them. People deserve more respect, that includes transgenders.

There are plenty of transgendered people who give their opinion on this matter. You can follow them and listen to what they have to say. I have for years.

Examples
https://twitter.com/DebbieHayton
https://twitter.com/ScottNewgent
https://twitter.com/FionneOrlander
https://twitter.com/BuckAngel
https://twitter.com/Rose_Of_Dawn

You can read about the experiences of people who have experienced transition and then detransitioned here - https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/