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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭DoraDelite


    Doesn't this shopping centre have a car park? He might want to pay more attention to the comments in the google reviews as to why people might not be going to this particular pharmacy.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    From a cycling perspective, he kinda doesn't need to because the spurious claims are never usually contested. Reminds me of a certain jeweller who blamed cycle lanes which hadn't even been built for why his shop was closing down!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that jeweller was the dumbest idiot i've heard of in a long while. 'oh, i've decided to sell my commercial premises, so i'll go on the radio and tell everyone it's impossible to do business from that address'.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    But the muppets on social media latched onto his nonsense and repeated it as Gospel. Even the mainstream media repeated his nonsense and usually in those media stories there was no mention of the other (more costly) works - just a poxy €60 million cycle lane that would displace hard working people trying just to get to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Here's another example of how people are wedded to their motor vehicles: https://dublininquirer.com/2023/05/31/in-drimnagh-a-push-for-car-free-living-has-so-far-led-to-a-car-clogged-road/


    A new apartment complex, less than 15mins cycle from the city center, 20 mins by Luas or Bus...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    they make the point though that the issue is people aren't willing to pay €75 per month for a parking spot. so parking is there; just no enforcement on the street?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    It's an old residential area so I'm surprised the locals haven't asked the council to paint in some double yellows..

    The reason i'm linking this story is to highlight the fact that even with multiple options Bus/Luas/Bicycle/Go-Car, people are still locked in to the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭DoraDelite


    When you also have what is essentially free parking wherever you want (due to zero enforcement of illegal parking) it's far too easy to keep a car in Dublin even when you don't really need it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    And let's not forget that said jeweller closed down his store, and then went to work for a different jeweller located in a pedestrianised area!



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    jewellery is, of course, known for its low value, high bulk items, requiring HGV access to move around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭JMcL




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    “It’s about the safety of our kids, “ said Julie Sugrue from Carriganarra. 

    “This is my front door and my kids’ safety. I have two kids, and this is where the kids go to play football, cycle, and have the craic with their friends,” she said.

    “We had people from Limeworth and Glincool at the meeting. We are all against it. Greenways are fantastic and we are all for all of that, but at what cost?”

    I'm struggling to understand what the logic is here. What exactly does she (and others) think will happen to the kids?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭Paddigol



    Well, obviously I'm going to tear down there as soon as it opens and time trial up and down the Greenway, hunting for kids to knock down. I'll probably get a rota going with a few clubmates to make sure that there is someone patrolling the Greenway for stray kids at all times. It's going to be carnage.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    But how can it become more dangerous for the kids given that there is no separation from drivers at present? Is it simply that we drive them everywhere and you want us to let them out on their own?

    After searching, I found this justifying the opposition...

    ...followed by this...

    ...but that doesn't explain the safety angle taken by the NIMBYist quoted in the Examiner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,961 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    This would be the Lloyds Pharmacy attached to a shopping centre that has a large car park accessible almost directly from the 4-lane Blackrock bypass; and has 14 on-street parking spots directly outside his door?


    That shopping centre was almost empty long before the cycle-lane went through Blackrock.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    Even the reasons in those two tweets don't really make much sense when you think about them.

    He mentions a 'quiet cul de sac with no through traffic' - bikes and pedestrians are pretty quiet. This sounds like an anti-car argument, more than an anti-cycle one. Also, 2/3 of the green area remains, plus the added benefit that your kids will have a safe, segregate means of getting about when they are old enough?

    The greenway = antisocial behavior trope is marched out again. There's no basis for this, but it never seems to be challenged.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i saw this mentioned on Twitter by a relative of the cyclist and unfortunately they said they are praying for him to wake up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Oh this is the same place that want to save roundabouts:


    Pretty sure someone from the area posted a video in the commuting thread on this stretch but the video really only highlights the car priority.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I'm all for those public opposition rallies and petitions - the people are easily identified and should be slapped with minimum Ten Year Stupid Tax.

    While we're at it, lets pray for all the poor souls (and the children - FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!) who have busy roads 10 feet from their front doors up and down the country. How ever do they make it through the day intact.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    "Protect Elderly Parking" signs going up in the front gardens there this morning. The elderly must have all gone to work though as no shortage of spaces around 8am...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,961 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    There was a few up yesterday as well.

    There's a resident there with a giant "No parking" sign affixed to the wall, as well as a double wide gate, all purely to preserve the space outside their front door as a private spot for themselves only. That's the level of entitlement.

    All of the cottages have small garden space that, if with the removal of the walls between garden and footpath, could be converted to a parallel parking space actually on their own property. Something tells me that even if the council offered to fund the conversion that most wouldn't be in favour of the idea of using their own private property to store their own private property



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    cycled to bloom today. as usualy, quite amused to be told i wasn't allowed cycle in the car park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Hope you did the honorable and abiding thing and cycled home to get your car. Is the car park not the big open field off the North Road, is there much bicycle parking near the entrance off the roundabout near the Aras entrance or did you have to lock to some railing as usual.

    Have done a few organised runs in the park and there's never any bike racks, have to find a tree has that has protective railings and lock it to that.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I parked the bike at the green entrance, at the back of the visitors centre. There are bike racks installed for the duration of bloom. Kinda like Sheffield stands. Felt perfectly safe locking it there, the place is crawling with stewards and gardai. I don't know how busy the bike stands get, I arrived before bloom had started and left after it ended.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Belgian PM falls off bike...

    Did he fall because he passed out or did he pass out because he fell?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    I've been cycling in Dublin for 25 years but originally from Galway and have family there so familiar with the roads. Good piece but what horrific injuries on a roadabout, no details given as to the type and speed of the vehicle.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    this would seem to put the lie to the claim that the roads just keep getting safer - a tripling of serious injuries in a decade (though it's vague on whether that could be down to better reporting, as they mention accuracy of the info as being an issue?)





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,051 ✭✭✭cletus


    Just read that too. I don't ever remember annual serious injury number before. The only metric I ever remember being published was road fatalities.

    Strongly linked with discussions we've had on boards here before about how these things get reported



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i've heard of KSI stats being used before, but in different jurisdictions. maybe one issue is 'serious' in 'seriously injured' is not set in stone, but 'killed or not' is fairly binary. would be curious as to what the definition of 'seriously injured' is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,051 ✭✭✭cletus


    I see that, but I've never seen in reported on before. News outlets will release quarterly and annual fatality numbers, as well as comparing to the previous year/quarter. Never heard anything about serious injuries before



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Just while we're on the subject... Plea for motorists to reduce their speed as deaths on roads increase by 21pc (msn.com)

    Only one cyclist fatality so far, thankfully. Yet we're lumped in with motorcyclists (9 fatalities) as being one sixth of all fatalities.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal



    Gardai and RSA pleading with people again, what complete nonsense.

    Imagine if the Gardai took this line wqith other illegal things in Ireland

    , "Plea for people not to break into houses and murder people as breakins and murders increase by 21pc"

    Enforcement is the only thing that will work here, double the points and start enforcing things. It's the only thing that will reduce dangerous behavior such as speeding and mobile phone use. While we're at it start handing out 3 points for footpath, bus and cycle lane parking.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    DaCor posted this in another thread:

    "The RSA class a serious injury as "An injury for which the person is detained in hospital as an ‘in-patient’ or any of the following injuries whether or not detained in hospital: fractures, concussion, internal injuries, crushings, severe cuts and lacerations, and/or severe general shock requiring medical treatment.""



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Yeah, I agree completely. It's human nature that when you're given an inch you take a mile - you see it everyday on the roads, with every road user from pedestrians, to cyclists, to drivers. The problem (I think anyway) is understaffing in the Gardai, lack of a dedicated, properly funded road traffic division, and a complete lack of interest among politicians. So the average Garda probably thinks, well if nobody else cares, and if I'm not being directed to, and if I'm effectively being dissuaded by the amount of paperwork and lack of interest by the judiciary, why bother. That's all just IMO, and I get that its the Garda's job to penalise all law breaking etc etc, but there has to be a level of realism applied to in asking why nothing changes and what can be done.

    I was driving on Sunday, overtaking cars at 100kmph, and had a Wexford Bus driver accelerate up to my bumper and flash me to hurry up and get out of the way. In a 100kmph zone. Not that I was in any way surprised - from experience cycling that company's drivers are particularly bad. But it just reinforces the view that rules of the road are an after thought for so many road users.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    he also posted this; and there's one thing which stood out to me in the stats. 31% of cyclist fatalities over the period studied happened on a sunday. but saturday and sunday were the days of the week where cyclists were *least* likely to be seriously injured (12% of injuries occured on a sunday)


    https://www.rsa.ie/docs/default-source/road-safety/r2---statistics/analysis-of-road-users/cyclist-spotlight-report-fatalities-and-serious-injuries-2016-2021.pdf?Status=Master&sfvrsn=771bb739_15



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    https://docreader.reciteme.com/doc/view/id/647f07c84e152

    2008-13 there was an obvious trend downwards, where is it now relative to those numbers.

    I can't find comparable data for last 10 years.

    Lots of moving parts, so hard to compare. Period above was during a recession with less traffic and lots of high risk drivers had emigrated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭JMcL


    It's a bit all over the place. The Wikipedia article you linked to earlier differs at various points from the Garda and RSA figures, which differ from each other. One would think the RSA should be the authoritative - no pun intended - source of info, but looking at their latest annual report (2021) there're a couple of infographics about KSIs, and the rest is just them blowing smoke up their own jacksies.

    And as for this pleading nonsense. If only there were some alternative to pleading, let's say some rules, where if you broke them you had to go and stand in a corner with a big "D" hat on, or something like that, and being really fanciful, you could have some official body like, for example, the police would be in other states enforcing these rules



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  • Site Banned Posts: 20,686 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    We're beyond the point of it being for the police to enforce because it's so widespread.


    We need legislation to enable technology, pretty basic technology to be able to catch speeders, phone users, light breakers etc and civil stafg who can deal with the fines and stuff.


    We live in a country were people actively warn people about Gardai checks and speed vans. Its so bloody weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    True! That Facebook page always sticking up warnings about checkpoints and speed vans, actively helping those who have something to hide avoid being caught..

    Not to mention the fact that if you're not speeding and your car is Taxed/Insured/NCT/Drivers licence then there's no issue with checkpoints! And I think we all want those without the aforementioned put off the road....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    We Irish have a very weird lack of emotional maturity when it comes to our attitudes towards rules and authority.

    When you hear grown adults talking about "snitches" and "grasses" in relation to crimes like speeding/phone driving/drink driving etc it's like the mentality never grew outside of the school classroom.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    But God forbid a cyclist should roll through a red light or hop onto the footbath to skip traffic. Not excusing it, but I'd say the people who get most enraged by that are the same people you describe. Speeding = grand, shur everyone does it. Orange light = signal to floor the accelerator. Cyclist rolling through a red = how bloody dare they break the rules!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Yeah its the raging hypocracy that gets me.

    I can stand outside my house and watch the 30kph street on the other side of the green. I would say on average 8 or 9 out of 10 cars are above the 30kph limit, 4-5 are doing 50-60kph and 2-3 are 60kph or over. I know well what 30kph looks like on that road because i watch Mrs D doing it leaving for work every morning.

    The hyprocisy permeates through the media too - Pat Kenny is an raging hypocrite when it comes to this stuff. He'll bang on at length about "we ALL know cyclists break the lights" , the then comes out with the following which are actual quotes of his when discussing situations where drivers are rule breaking :

    "...and the taxis, who are JUST trying to get people home" (context: guards catching taxis speeding at 80kph+ down the quays in Dublin)

    "...but sure doesn't that just show how ridiculous the limit is" (context: discussing people disregarding the 30kph speed limit in Pheonix Park AFAIR)

    It turns my stomach honestly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,961 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Targeted enforcement is badly needed. The vast majority of speed enforcement that I see appears to be outside of urban areas, on MWs or on inter-urban roads. It's far too rare that I encounter the same in urban areas (despite doing far more of my road travel in urban areas than outside of them).

    Focus on speeding and other dangerous road offences in areas where they have greater potential to impact on other road users. Call me callous about it - but the speeding driver doing 150 on the MW is more likely to harm themselves than anyone else, whereas someone doing 60 in a 30, or 80 in a 50, is much more likely to do damage to another road user (and usually not another driver).

    I'm not advocating for abandoning enforement on MWs, or national roads, just putting a bigger emphasis on urban areas.

    I much rather seeing the speed van in the regular spot on Upper Baggot St, or on the Quays than seeing one on the M9, or on the Mullingar bypass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    Can we bring this in with a rake of cameras nationally, would do wonders!

    This lad has been caught 3 times in the last decade and paid a stupidity tax of combined 250k euro!





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    AA Ireland did a Top Gear type experiment with a "race" between a motorbike, an e-bike, a runner a walker and a electric car. The journey was from the AA offices to Whitehall Church, approx 6km

    Interesting results

    I'm familiar with both Lauren and Feljin in their advocacy efforts for their respective transport options.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's a long enough video, so worth summarising the results!

    motorbike: 19m30s

    e-bike: 20m30s

    runner: 29m

    bus: 34m

    car: 45m (and the driver stated he thought the traffic was very light)

    walking: 55m.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    worth commenting that that was for a journey which started right in the very heart of the city, which would clearly favour bikes and people on foot.

    but even crossing the city (without needing to go near the pedestrianised sections right at the centre); at the moment, to get from the old whitehall garda station (junction of griffith avenue and the swords road) to the entrance of the donnybrook bus depot, google maps is showing 30 minutes on a bike and 36 minutes in a car. and traffic is probably reasonably light, which would favour the car. plus, a fit cyclist would be able to do that faster (though you might add time to shower at the end!), and a fast motorist wouldn't have much luck shortening that.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Google maps tends to predict a slower cyclist in regards time predictions rather than personalise them, it is the only mode of transport that Google Maps is way off the mark in regards predictions for me. I'd put that cycle at 20minutes, following all the rules of the road.



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